50 Tomahawks for al-Assad -- Mattis Says 20% SAAF Birds Roasted

[pmclaine]

I work with a Christian Syrian.

His impression is Assad is the better of the two evils. His knowledge is that the rebels really are not rebels just more head chopping and persecution.

Assad goes Egypt might be looking a little shaky. Al Sisi is a person that needs our support in my estimation.

What chance would Jordan have if the shit stirrers started moving into Abdullahs kingdom?

These guys are Trumps buddies of just the past week. What did he say to them, what did they say to him?

 

[ArmyJerry]

Give the Jordanians some nukes, little ones, 10 megatons or less. They will ally with Israel after they march the Palestinians out of Jordan and into the desert.or Syria.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

I work with a Christian Syrian.

His impression is Assad is the better of the two evils. His knowledge is that the rebels really are not rebels just more head chopping and persecution.

Assad goes Egypt might be looking a little shaky. Al Sisi is a person that needs our support in my estimation.

What chance would Jordan have if the shit stirrers started moving into Abdullahs kingdom?

These guys are Trumps buddies of just the past week. What did he say to them, what did they say to him?

You keep going on about his secularism as though it means something. He's Irans puppet. He's not benign. Just ask the Lebanese or Israelis.

AJ - isolationism post-nuclear proliferation. Let's give out warheads to the most volatile region. What could go wrong...

 

[ArmyJerry]

what could go right is the real question.

 

[sharac]

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_.../where-are-the-heroes-by-publius-tacitus.html


Read it and try to use your brain for once...

 

[pitdog85]

oooraaaahhh for trump that's what we wanna see from the big brother the united states, all we see here downunder here is the leftwing media bagging trump and all the brainwashed folks here following the media in a trump hate campaign. Let the north Koreans, Russians and chinese know who is boss.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_.../where-are-the-heroes-by-publius-tacitus.html


Read it and try to use your brain for once...

This is a comedy right?

it states the illegality of the mission, then says it didn't do enough damage and then, the whole raison d'etre of the piece is the loss of cooperation and military congeniality between the US and Russian commanders with the US too weak to fight.

Sharc, your beloved Russia is a criminal organization. There is no legitimacy about the Putin government. Never has been or will be. To cite illegality while positioning Russia is to say it's wrong to lie to a murderer. Russia and Iran are not motivated to fight extremists one ounce more than needed to advance national interests. Russia fights extremists in a manner that guarantees more will be created and probably at least half will focus on the West. They are an amplification of the problem and worse.

Your perspective is a dead Muslim is a good one. What matter the method? There are some here who track with that too. But if you absolve yourself from having humanity or deny others theirs then why should we care what you say or you us?

Load up, ship out, lead from the front and go kill. Or perhaps you have more pressing matters to attend to at your keyboard?

 

[sharac]

Basically it says "Western world is again full of shit" as it breaks its own rules (which are the same ones you either expect others to adhere to or try to impose upon others by force) and it only exposes west for what it is and was (double faced pieces of shits exploiting everyone else for their own gain - which should resonate well with British as ex colonial power -> emphasis on EX).

While US has had it chance to steer in another direction (and it did so for a while) unfortunately it has been kidnapped, transformed into its antithesis and you all can pretend whole day long, deep down you know perfectly well that your dear country is long gone and Trump (was!?) is your last hope for peaceful and democratic way back (but more and more its obvious he has lost the battle with deep state and will become another puppet like Obongo was). The mere reactions to my postings show that most of you are incapable of rational thought and logical thinking process and that you react emotionally completely disregarding facts (much like your "libtards" do when it comes to their beloved topics).

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Basically it says "Western world is again full of shit" as it breaks its own rules (which are the same ones you either expect others to adhere to or try to impose upon others by force) and it only exposes west for what it is and was (double faced pieces of shits exploiting everyone else for their own gain - which should resonate well with British as ex colonial power -> emphasis on EX).

While US has had it chance to steer in another direction (and it did so for a while) unfortunately it has been kidnapped, transformed into its antithesis and you all can pretend whole day long, deep down you know perfectly well that your dear country is long gone and Trump (was!?) is your last hope for peaceful and democratic way back (but more and more its obvious he has lost the battle with deep state and will become another puppet like Obongo was). The mere reactions to my postings show that most of you are incapable of rational thought and logical thinking process and that you react emotionally completely disregarding facts (much like your "libtards" do when it comes to their beloved topics).

well thanks for clearing that up. How about you fuck off now?

 

[oneshot86]

the article is a load of shit

 

[sharac]

No actually, most of you here are loads of shit since you haven't provided one iota of sane and rational thought but regurgitated MSM propaganda and doing some apeshit chest thumping on a level of ten year old boy. When you cannot write something logical and rational you resort to personal attacks and deflections, on one side you bitch and moan like little kids when liberals do their zombie shit and once tables get turned and right buttons are pressed you copy them to the letter - what does that make you?

 

[oneshot86]

the article is a load of shit...
damn son, you cant bring that garbage here and not have it called shit...
you need to regroup

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

When you cannot write something logical and rational you resort to personal attacks and deflections, on one side you bitch and moan like little kids when liberals do their zombie shit and once tables get turned and right buttons are pressed you copy them to the letter - what does that make you?

This may apply,

The difference between someone guided by principle and someone driven by bias:
A person who is guided by principle will stand up to his allies and side with his "opponents" if truth and morality dictates it.
A person who is driven by bias will go to war against reality in order to defend the identity of the herd

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Reason why I maintain the labor to move the shit was out of the loop about the coming strike, an was smoked in it. Have to ask yourself who benefited the most. Russia, nope, Assad nope, anyone else in the middle east? I can think of a one or two? What other player or industry would gain?
The answer is under most folks nose if they would open their eyes to what has been going on for the last 28+ years.
How is the best way to make folks believe in what their country is doing/does?
Or how to drag others into doing what you can't or won't.
Who gains in a war between Russia an The US?
Some of you guys can't think past you nose, then get pissed when it's pointed out by someone who can.
Fact,..there are groups within the US that have an will run false flags, to get the American people and it's military up in arms. There are also states in the middle east that would like nothing better than the US an Russia to war each other.
Sometimes this board is laughable for/of guys who are supposed to be able to think on their feet. Maybe it's the water don't know but, if it's this easy to push folks to a locked up conclusion, lock step is not that far away!

Still waiting for answers to the above, or is it too close to home?

 

[sharac]

Would you care to elaborate on what exactly "is shit in that article"?

Is it not a fact US attacked sovereign nation? Is it not a fact that in order to attack anyone your President requires "go ahead" from Congress? Is it not a fact that US is one of founding members of UN and also has a permanent seat at Security council and power of veto? Is it not a fact that US is supposed to be based on rule of law, fairness, innocent until proven guilty and is supposed to adhere to higher standards than those around it? Is it not that US is exceptional and that entire world is jealous? Is it not a fact that Assad would have nothing to gain by gassing anyone except everything to loose?

Do you throw away principles when it suits you and still get to call yourself a man/nation of principle? Do rules apply only to your enemies and not to you firstly? Do you lead by force not example?

Try to answer to those questions fairly and you'll see that there is something rotten in denmark.

 

[Veer_G]

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Sorry, it's that damned tight cloth around my head, yet again.

 

[Maggot]

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[Veer_G]

Mattis is reporting 1 in 5 Syrian birds gone, on top of general airbase destruction.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39561102

We looooves us some Chaos.

 

[Niles Coyote]

While Americans are distracted, in mostly unreported news 500 billion found in accounting errors at HUD
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-hud-for-500b-plus-in-accounting-errors.html

 

[Veer_G]

While Americans are distracted, in mostly unreported news 500 billion found in accounting errors at HUD
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...t-hud-for-500b-plus-in-accounting-errors.html

$500B is a lot of jeweled curb feelers, cuz. They had eight years to loot America, which is really more deserving of its own thread. But we hear you.

 

[pmclaine]

While Americans are distracted, in mostly unreported news 500 billion found in accounting errors at HUD
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ng-errors.html

Just reperations payments. If you have a problem with that you are racist.

Go see the thought police.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Would you care to elaborate on what exactly "is shit in that article"?

Is it not a fact US attacked sovereign nation? Is it not a fact that in order to attack anyone your President requires "go ahead" from Congress? Is it not a fact that US is one of founding members of UN and also has a permanent seat at Security council and power of veto? Is it not a fact that US is supposed to be based on rule of law, fairness, innocent until proven guilty and is supposed to adhere to higher standards than those around it? Is it not that US is exceptional and that entire world is jealous? Is it not a fact that Assad would have nothing to gain by gassing anyone except everything to loose?

Do you throw away principles when it suits you and still get to call yourself a man/nation of principle? Do rules apply only to your enemies and not to you firstly? Do you lead by force not example?

Try to answer to those questions fairly and you'll see that there is something rotten in denmark.

Attacking sovereign nation - what about when that nation is breaking international law within it's own boarders? As is the case here. Assad has committed a litany of war crimes. Sovereignty doesn't equate to impunity.

Go-ahead from Congress - this wasn't a declaration of war. This was a tactical strike to take out a capability used for breaking international law. It's focus and limits were communicated. We perform drone strikes in an absence of congressional involvement.

Memer of UN? - So what? Assad's actions have already been presented at UN and Russia veto'd. What is your point here?

US rule of law - as stated, Assad broke, repeatedly, international law. Under the 2013 agreement with Russia, Assad's chem weapons were meant to be disposed of. Clearly not. Hence the Tomahawks.

US exceptionalism and jealousy - I can feel yours from here. God Bless America!

Assad nothing to gain - neither you or I know what goes on in that murderous man's head so you don't know what he has or doesn't to gain from what he did. You have no facts, just supposition. Can you admit this?

 

[sharac]

>Attacking sovereign nation - what about when that nation is breaking international law within it's own boarders? As is the case here. Assad has committed a litany of war crimes. Sovereignty doesn't equate to impunity.

Read it for yourself - > http://www.un-documents.net/a29r3314.htm

You can twist and turn all you like the more you twist and turn the more you are like liberal bitches spinning their agendas. Either you have principles or you don't there is no middle ground here.

What you state as fact has never been proven or verified, on the contrary it has been repeatedly proven wrong and either completely bogus or done by other side to escalate conflict. Perhaps you should ask Tulsi Gabbard or better yet go read some stuff she talked about after visiting Syria in person.

I can admit that i do not know what other people are thinking however that doesn't mean one cannot make educated guess onto what one gains or looses doing something. IF you really believe that Assad is some crazy murderous SOB media wants you to see than god help you as you obviously have no common sense whatsoever. But fear not chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Attacking sovereign nation - what about when that nation is breaking international law within it's own boarders?

Fuck international law, I don't give a shit what they do within their own borders. However when it comes to kids anywhere, of any kind or color, I give a shit. I don't have a problem killing the fucks that planned, or carried it out, Even if it's found out to be our own people, self protecting their wallets.

 

[thejeep]

Just reperations payments. If you have a problem with that you are racist.

Fo see the thought police.

That's a lot of Newport medium 100s.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

that link you've provided makes it manifest that you do not know the difference between an act of aggression and an act of war.

I'd definitely agree a solid Tomahawking is aggressive..,

 

[sharac]

However when it comes to kids anywhere, of any kind or color, I give a shit. I don't have a problem killing the fucks that planned, or carried it out, Even if it's found out to be our own people, self protecting their wallets.

Problem is everyone just assumes because someone paid MSM to spew propaganda. Same shit as with Trump being Russian agent etc... No one actually cares about the facts anymore they just parrot whatever narrative is being served like mindless drones. I don't know if you managed to see what kind of "moderate rebels" US supports and what "moderate deeds" those fuckers did in Aleppo but from where i'm sitting it's pretty obvious who in Syria is sick and twisted enough to actually use chemicals on people. You assume Assad is evil SOB because he "treated HIS people" bad -> reality check those that were treaded as shit were actual shit that entire world is trying to get rid of (in translation fucking muslim fanatics and head chopping animals). So please spare me the "oh he is bad" mantra as there is no one good in ME, as some say humanity would be better off if that place was turned into glass centuries ago.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Problem is everyone just assumes because someone paid MSM to spew propaganda. Same shit as with Trump being Russian agent etc... No one actually cares about the facts anymore they just parrot whatever narrative is being served like mindless drones. I don't know if you managed to see what kind of "moderate rebels" US supports and what "moderate deeds" those fuckers did in Aleppo but from where i'm sitting it's pretty obvious who in Syria is sick and twisted enough to actually use chemicals on people. You assume Assad is evil SOB because he "treated HIS people" bad -> reality check those that were treaded as shit were actual shit that entire world is trying to get rid of (in translation fucking muslim fanatics and head chopping animals). So please spare me the "oh he is bad" mantra as there is no one good in ME, as some say humanity would be better off if that place was turned into glass centuries ago.

yes, we'd all be better off being christian folks like your lot, leading the innovative ways in which women and children can be turned into prostitutes and exported... thanks Sharac, you're a real analyst. We look forward to your intellectual powers bringing the world into a new paradigm of enlightenment. Now go and learn the difference between aggression and acts of war...

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

sharac, your lumping me in with the rest? Think you need to re-read an digest where I stand on this.

 

[MtnCreek]

"learn the difference between aggression and acts of war..."

Launching missiles at another country's airbase is an act of war. Hopefully it ends at the one strike.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

"learn the difference between aggression and acts of war..."

Launching missiles at another country's airbase is an act of war. Hopefully it ends at the one strike.

the link that sharac posted was on the Acts of Aggression as opposed to War under UN definitions. He was making the point, erroneously, that Trump had taken the US to war without Congressional approval.

I personally don't care one way or another on the definition, sometimes sharac's BS just bugs me and I need to kick the malcontent in his dumb ass.

 

[sharac]

Not at all, i just quoted you as i believe this is excellent point as it requires to actually identify and prove before taking action (and if we extrapolate from knowing facts off the ground in Syria there should be joint SU/F/A/B/Mig sorties pounding the shit out of headchoppers and doing it so fast ships would have problems delivering ordnance and loading crews on the verge of suicide from being overworked)

 

[sharac]

yes, we'd all be better off being christian folks like your lot, leading the innovative ways in which women and children can be turned into prostitutes and exported... thanks Sharac, you're a real analyst. We look forward to your intellectual powers bringing the world into a new paradigm of enlightenment. Now go and learn the difference between aggression and acts of war...

When all else fails eh.... Our lot just might save the western cucks in a few years...and you know what we'll do it gladly because we know that there is plenty of good people who don't like the way things are either but are powerless atm to change stuff in their home countries. Once you start talking to people that actually matter (we've just returned from international comp...) you see that official narrative vs. actual facts on the ground is vastly different and things won't go the way bastards in power planned them to go.

 

[hlee]

Picking a side in Syria is like choosing between a turd pie and a shit sandwich.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Not at all, i just quoted you as i believe this is excellent point as it requires to actually identify and prove before taking action)

Everything man made has some type of known ID/Fingerprint that can be traced to it's maker. Chem's/Bio/Nuke are the easiest to trace but, everything to include any an all radios being used on any operation. In fact most radios are printed to user groups now, the higher the technology the easier it is to print them, the reason some have reverted to very low tech shit in the last few years.

 

[Alphatreedog]

When all else fails eh.... Our lot just might save the western cucks in a few years...and you know what we'll do it gladly because we know that there is plenty of good people who don't like the way things are either but are powerless atm to change stuff in their home countries. Once you start talking to people that actually matter (we've just returned from international comp...) you see that official narrative vs. actual facts on the ground is vastly different and things won't go the way bastards in power planned them to go.

So I would ask the questions ; When you say our lot of whom are you referring ? Who are the powerless Westerners that you refer to ? And last but not least who are the Western Cucks you refer to ?

 

[oneshot86]

its fuckin comedy hour, sharac and his lot, did you hear that funny shit, ah ha ha ha, gonna save us, hardy fuckin har har,,,

 

[Veer_G]

So I would ask the questions ; When you say our lot of whom are you referring ? Who are the powerless Westerners that you refer to ? And last but not least who are the Western Cucks you refer to ?

Yeah, what the fuck is up with Sharry Baby and all the cuckold references? I'm starting to think that home boy likes to bat clean-up.

 

[Redmanss]

I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing Slovenia and their 7300 armed forces are going to come save us. Do you guys have an airplane too? That would be super neat!

 

[sharac]

Someone else used world "your lot" let him explain what he meant by "our lot".

As to who needs what perhaps throw an eye on this (i'm pretty sure if you change actors in that story it will also resonate with you overseas):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irlfriend.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...-seeker-video/



vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf07BcKVTKI

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/0...-the-hospital/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/...ding-refugees/

Not to mention Hungary, Slovakia etc...


I wonder who is in need to be rescued from "barbarians". What good is strongest military in the world when you're weak in spirit and rotting from within and have no will no desire to cut away the rot...

 

[Alphatreedog]

Someone else used world "your lot" let him explain what he meant by "our lot".

As to who needs what perhaps throw an eye on this (i'm pretty sure if you change actors in that story it will also resonate with you overseas):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irlfriend.html

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...-seeker-video/



vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf07BcKVTKI

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/0...-the-hospital/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/...ding-refugees/

Not to mention Hungary, Slovakia etc...


I wonder who is in need to be rescued from "barbarians". What good is strongest military in the world when you're weak in spirit and rotting from within and have no will no desire to cut away the rot...

Simmer down Borat . I don't see you leadin any charge in your tactical donkey cart .

 

[Veer_G]

Simmer down Borat . I don't see you leadin any charge in your tactical donkey cart .

I dunno. We may be selling Slovenia short. I know. Let's all go for sensitivity training!

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Mmm. The land of opportunity!

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[sharac]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...arned-about-wmd-lies-iraq-war-now-say-assad-d

 

[pmclaine]

You mean this Scott Ritter?
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Ritter-gets-prison-time-2237126.php

I didn't realize he was out yet. Or did he write that from prison?

WTF. Do people that seem to hold responsible positions get there through smoke and mirrors or do otherwise responsible people just wake up one day and decide I'm going to be aberrant now?

 

[MarinePMI]

As I sit here at work, writing a government requested paper on the prosecution of future naval warfare within an A2AD environment, leveraging emerging technology (that would blow most people's minds), I am reminded by this thread of one thing: How ignorant people have become about geopolitical realities and the impact of technology on the world (media) stage.

Smdh...this thread should be wrapped in tinfoil and floating in a pile of turds due to some of the absolute BS conspiracy crap being passed as half truths and reality...

Edit: And yes, I know that the term "A2AD" is no longer in vogue or "catch phrase compliant" anymore...

 

[pmclaine]

As I sit here at work, writing a government requested paper on the prosecution of future naval warfare within an A2AD environment, leveraging emerging technology (that would blow most people's minds), I am reminded by this thread of one thing: How ignorant people have become about geopolitical realities and the impact of technology on the world (media) stage.

Smdh...this thread should be wrapped in tinfoil and floating in a pile of turds due to some of the absolute BS conspiracy crap being passed as half truths and reality...

Edit: And yes, I know that the term "A2AD" is no longer in vogue or "catch phrase compliant" anymore...

I think it likely the next CMOH will be going to a robot.

It will continue on that path until it brings us full circle and we are back to bludgeoning each other with sticks and stones.

 

[MarinePMI]

Not too far off PMC...

 

[pmclaine]

Not too far off PMC...

Which sucks.

Its a dystopian future if any of the big three (maybe up to ten) countries decide to go to war. Right now we are so far ahead with this I think there is a false sense we can undertake wars that in the past we wouldn't we are so confident in our technology.

If there is an upside the horror is so great no technological powers go to war with a peer knowing the result. Our future will be one of proxy war. The technology will be refined and proliferated on small battlefields.

Nukes kept the big powers from going to war with each other for 70 years now and still do. Unlike nukes this emerging form of killing wont be as resource costly and our willingness to use the new technology will allow potential enemies to quickly re-engineer what we have and build their own versions to use against us.

Miniaturization and smart weapons just seem so attractive to homicidal nerds though that it seems there is big incentive to continue along that path. I don't think nano robots came about on the basis of the quest to make life easier for the individual. The first question is likely "How can I use this to kill a man?" Oh and maybe we can later adapt it to something beneficial and useful".

Its going to be horrible.

Already there is no romance in war but what is to come Hollywood wont even be able to polish it by shrouding it in celluloid "Glory or Honor".

Human soldiers will live the existence of sub - surface creatures battling to defeat the other sides robot technology.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Johnson figured he could send a message in Vietnam, with the lives of Americans, of our allies, and of our enemies as the communication medium. Bad idea.

C-in-C used a non-breathing medium instead. I like that better.

With respect, I expect that dialogue to be closed, with those who are capable of receiving the message being already adequately informed. Consider it as the first increment of a one increment message.

Don't overthink the transaction.

Greg

 

[pmclaine]

I know its already been posted in this thread or the similar one and I always find myself rereading it when shit like this comes up But Smedley Butler's "War is a Racket" is timeless and appropriate.

The guy was a fucking genius regards what the true relationship and motivations of war are.

His clarity and pointed commentary is why that little pamphlet is not better read.

I like his idea of a plebiscite of only those that will be tasked with fighting the war to determine if doing so is in our national interests.

If that were ever to happen real quick the mil would structure to have 3 voting, non fighting, generals to every one voting, fighting, private.