50 Tomahawks for al-Assad -- Mattis Says 20% SAAF Birds Roasted

[Gunfighter14e2]

I am reminded by this thread of one thing: How ignorant people have become about geopolitical realities and the impact of technology on the world (media) stage.

I find that interesting, as the (MIC) Military Industrial Complex, is what IKE, Kennedy, An Ronnie Ray-Gun warned us about. The False Flags run on Americans grows everyday to keep the MIC rolling along. The odd thing is many of us talk to folks across all ponds an get first hand info on events that the media seems to leave out, why would that be? Taking the US media at face value is laughable at best. Those who can think an follow the money, always come to different conclusions. The truth never needs justification, just an outlet. The internet is slowing the MIC's slush funds and they don't like it one bit. In fact there apperas to be people that are paid to counter what they don't like being said/outed. The Piss an Rain saying comes to mind.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

I don't think there's going to be any escalation in Syria. Take note of who's put his name in the pres. running in Iran. That is political sabre rattling at its best. Trump' made his point, especially with the navy w.r.t. NK as well. Time to step back and let the 'international' team handle Iran. The sanctions against Iran were working, the economic decline was a direct threat to the Mullahs.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Assad will be a good boy. No more chems or barrels. Russia will do the bombing. Kids will die. We can all sleep easy knowing all is good in the world.

 

[Alphatreedog]

I believe that Trump did the best he could with the Intel and info that he has . This is not Ron Reagan's administration . There are no if very few meat eaters left in the Intel Services . Yale , Harvard and Libtardia have shaped and warped them . He took a reasonable and righteous stand on chemical weapons use . He did not stand there beating his chest daring Assad to bring it . It would seem that military action is a bargaining tool that Trump is willing to use and good for him . One might argue that China took note as to his willingness to use it . I don't see us getting embroiled in the affairs of another failing shithole . Not unlike Reagan I think that he is sending the message that we do not have to set foot into your cesspool . We have big ordinance capable of costing you lots of money and lots of people so pay attention .

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Heh. You're a bit of an optimist.

This is existential for Assad. He is going to have to kill every man woman and child of the resistance or they will eventually overrun him and chop him and him pretty wife in to little cubes of meat. And first they will tie him to a chair and make him watch as they start with his children.

There will be no peaceful political solution here. One way or another it ends in the boneyard. It might take a decade for to slowly and excruciatingly play out, but one alternative or the other will happen. The only other option would be to get safe passage and asylum somewhere but he knows he would eventually be given up to a war crimes court. Nope. He'll take his chances where he has power. And there is no weapon he has that he will not be willing to use. You can bet he watched the footage of Gaddafi on his knees begging for his life in the end.

And lets take your assertion as a best case. So Russians drop the barrel bombs from now on. Kids still die. Little bloody crushed bodies are drug out of the rubble and lain in the street for CNN cameras. Now what does Trump do? Back down? Ignore it? Bomb the Russians now? Or just talk harshly to them? Will they laugh at him and our country? Will they say they backed down America if he doesn't launch additional strikes?

what part of what I said sounded 'peaceful'. Russia will do the killing.

Dude, you're being obtuse. When Russia does the killing, nothing will happen. There will be UN condemnation, but nothing else. Nothing will happen to Assad while Russia and Iran have something to gain. Mostly Russia.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Trump could just Carpet bomb with B52's the 5 square miles around the last known location of assad. Not a dam thing anyone would do about it other than wring hands and whine, which you are already doing so he might as well go full retard. HInt: the UN has no Army, the Chinese dont want to disrupt business and Putin dont want anyone calling his bluff, amazing how Trump, a non politician has all the cards now, well maybe not all but the strongest hand for sure. Not a Trumpkin myself, hate all national politicians with all my heart and sole but kind of liek that this guy is stirring the pot. If he could just destroy the two parties I would consider him a success as a president.

Heh. You're a bit of an optimist.

This is existential for Assad. He is going to have to kill every man woman and child of the resistance or they will eventually overrun him and chop him and him pretty wife in to little cubes of meat. And first they will tie him to a chair and make him watch as they start with his children.

There will be no peaceful political solution here. One way or another it ends in the boneyard. It might take a decade for to slowly and excruciatingly play out, but one alternative or the other will happen. The only other option would be to get safe passage and asylum somewhere but he knows he would eventually be given up to a war crimes court. Nope. He'll take his chances where he has power. And there is no weapon he has that he will not be willing to use. You can bet he watched the footage of Gaddafi on his knees begging for his life in the end.

And lets take your assertion as a best case. So Russians drop the barrel bombs from now on. Kids still die. Little bloody crushed bodies are drug out of the rubble and lain in the street for CNN cameras. Now what does Trump do? Back down? Ignore it? Bomb the Russians now? Or just talk harshly to them? Will they laugh at him and our country? Will they say they backed down America if he doesn't launch additional strikes?

 

[pmclaine]

and when Assad is gone what then. Carpet bomb the guys that took his place and are now yelling Death to America?

Id say we do that now and leave Assad in place for the time being.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I actually want to sell both sides arms and seal them in to their shithole and let them kill the fk outta each other. I dont care if they kill everything down to the last organism in that shitrhole. But you guys want to be fkn boy scouts of he world.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Possibly. And then Trump will stand there looking like a complete weak fool and idiot. Stupid, impotent and played. More dead babies, his red line, yet he will be powerless to respond. Syria, Iran and Russia will brag about about how they stood up to Trump and America and made them back down.

That doesn't sound like a smart way to Make America Great Again.

Trump will look as weak and foolish as Putin is right now. Yet the world turns. I'm glad he bombed. Sometimes just saying "go fuck yourself" has some merit. I don't see how doing nothing would have been so great. Don't feel obliged to persuade me. You seem to embrace a binary view that is seldom persuasive.

 

[vh20]

Well, I'm native-born, and I must say, based on your perspective, you seem to be rooting for failure ("weak, fool, stupid, impotent, played...").

What if the situation is just what Trump said it is and nothing more: We're staying out of it, but if you use WMDs we reserve our right to state our objection in whatever way we see fit?

By the way, the answer to your earlier question: "Da' Shadow do."

 

[sharac]

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_...khun-syria-by-theodore-a-postol.html#comments

Duped again...

 

[vh20]

6.5 - Neither. While I cannot state you are wrong with the same degree of certainty you seem to have that you are right, you offer a false choice. I choose neither because I believe the outcome is not limited to only the choices you provide. I expect (and hope) that we will not get into an escalation scenario, and I expect (and hope) that Assad will get the message that further use of WMDs will be more costly than any benefit he may gain from them.

Again, based on the only options you seem to see, you seem to be rooting for failure. I do agree with your first line, however, and actually believe we would be better off leaving Assad in power.

 

[vh20]

Corrected to read (to be specific), you seem to be rooting for Trump to fail.
Ignore what Spicer says. Have you heard Trump mention that? I agree they'll use barrel bombs again. So what? And, while you may be right about the rest, I think you're wrong. Your "fit" is what I see as a warning that we won't sit idly by like we have for the past 8 years. A flex, rather than a fit. Beyond that, think what you will.

 

[vh20]

You've posted all that before. I've seen it already. You have an opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it like everyone. I'm just saying that forcefully stating it, as you do, doesn't make it any more right than someone else's. You are convinced yours is the only way. Cool. Not everyone else is.

 

[SlagAxe]

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_...khun-syria-by-theodore-a-postol.html#comments

Duped again...

Sharac,

A lot of us have been cruising the interweb trying to cobble together the facts and I have come to my own conclusions. I am curious what your evidentiary standard and/or burden of proof threshold is. Be it legal or scientific I am sure it is beyond posting what some bloggers have blathered on about.

Thanks,
SA

 

[sharac]

Firstly history, secondly modus operandi, thirdly benefit/cost. It's pretty clear that you won't find 100% reliable information on the web (or on TV) but what you can do is make educated guess based on some common sense, knowledge how people/world functions.

Syria is much like Libya a giant cluster fuck assisted by foreign powers but mostly driven by local stupidity. For me its pretty simple:

-US was caught lying several times in modern (lets forget about "ancient" history) history in order to justify its actions
-Israel has had its fingers in the jam so many times its not even funny anymore
-Moderate ISLAM is a fantasy as only difference is that some are willing and able to execute ISLAM others are not yet willing or able to do so but all are pretty much the same when it comes to their dogmas and their view of others and what should be done to them
-Assad is compared to alternatives on the ground (based on Syrian view - many sources including your own congresswoman) much much lesser evil (aka being evil to headchoppers is a must and virtue not fault)
-Assad with extensive help of both Hezbollah, Iran and Russia i.e. defeated or at least struck major blow to ISIS (i simply do not recognize "moderate rebels" as its on par with unicorns) and has basically regained the initiative
-US and Russia did (at least on operational level) coordinate strikes and informed each other of sorties, targets and basically struck at common enemy with full force
-Assad had absolutely nothing to gain from either mere possession of nerve agent (it would be a disaster to Russias face as it brokered the entire "no chemicals in Syria narrative" and if true would pretty much seal Assads fate as Russia would simply pull out or remove him by force to save face) let alone unleashing heinous attack on some civilians who have absolutely no tactical or strategical value -> nothing to gain but everything to loose

Only ones to have something to gain from it are ISIS sickos as they are trying to prevent US and Russia hitting them in coordinated fashion and have shown numerous times that they have absolutely no regard for decency or human life. Now to go into details how much US or Israel actually support ISIS (in your language "moderate rebels aka unicorns") or is it only suitable for US to show power i do not know i honestly hope this was just a show of force and not actual planned false flag by US.

What i would expect is irrefutable evidence by US intelligence community, you know all those fancy power points, recordings, grizzly details you're know to produce when you want to really prove a point but so far all i see is bullshit thrown around and the irony being that Trump is allowing the same bullshit that was being thrown at him since start of his campaign being thrown by members of his team. Honestly i expected more from him but sadly its obvious he is loosing his battles (Flynn, taxes, repeal of Obamacare etc...) and that hawks from behind the scene are back at power.

 

[ArmyJerry]

You sound like John Kerry.

I agree with you that we should stay out, but drudging up trumps words from 2013 is childish. War powers act gives him all the approval he needs no matter what he said in 2013. Your boy Obama sent the decision to congress because it was an actual decision and he is utterly incapably of making a decision on anything without having a scapegoat, he was the most unconstitutional president we have had since FDR so dont lionize that POS as doing the right thing without ulterior underhanded motives because you just show how naive you are. ASfar as a APOG not being born here, you dumb ass just hit the geographic lottery by being born here, he had to uproot everything he had or was familiar with to make the journey over here to become a citizen, or maybe he married a fat chick and moved over, but still he had to make the choice, you didn't so dont use that as an reason to give your opinion more weight than his, it doesn't work that way.

Sharac, stop defending the little man, he is looking mighty weak , Rex punked him out yesterday.

If I wanted Trump to fail, I would have rooted for exactly what he just did. Look, I won't lie. I think Trump is a fucking moron, but I don't want him to fail. The problem is, in our current situation, when Trump fails, our country pays the price. That's why I don't want him to do stupid stuff.

Trump should read his own tweets from 2013 when another President wanted to get us involved in what wasn't our problem:

"The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"Don't attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long-term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"What I am saying is stay out of Syria."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

I guess even a broken watch can be right twice a day. At least in 2013 the President DID do the right thing in sending it to Congress. They debated it and decided in no way was there sufficient nation interest at stake to justify military action. The President did the right thing to put it before Congress, and the Congress did the right thing in declining. The system worked.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

AS far as a APOG not being born here... maybe he married a fat chick and moved over, but still he had to make the choice, you didn't so dont use that as an reason to give your opinion more weight than his, it doesn't work that way.

You know, if that were the case, I'd say my views should be deemed even more weighty....

 

[ArmyJerry]

hahaha

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_s....html#comments

Duped again...

There have been 4 more Intel reports leaked, not one supports the medias reporting, or some of those here who have wishful views. 3 are so in depth an damning of the narrative I would not be surprised if the those who leaked them as well as those who wrote them, don't just vanish into thin air. One is so in depth it lays out how/why the US leadership was led to believe what it did. My money says She is a dead girl walking.

sharac,
Take heart not all who ride the Hide wagon are robots or brain dead.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

well don't be shy, post these smoking guns.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

well don't be shy, post these smoking guns.

NO, time for those who think they know so much and are so righteous to do their own leg work! If an old dumb ass can find it surely all the computer, .gov. experts can.
Parrots are everywhere basing their views/votes on only what they read on forums. Time they get a life an do their own leg work!
Hard to see the truth/events when wrapped up so tight in the flag, an believing what you are told w/o your own vetting.
Getting them wrapped in the flag is job 1, everything there after is down hill. Sysops are being ran on the American public by their gov an of elements nation states we support, an most Americans are to stupid, busy, or just don't give a shit enough to wake the fuck up.

 

[MarinePMI]

That is a very weak attempt at an argument.

Explain to me why his views in 2013, on an almost exact same situation (except the attack in 2013 was larger) are 180deg different than his views now?

"The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"Don't attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long-term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"What I am saying is stay out of Syria."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

"AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013

A lot of thoughts and ideas change drastically after that first classified briefing; even saw it with Obama. Funny what reality does to political talking points and personal opinions (especially opinions in absence of all the information).

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

NO, time for those who think they know so much and are so righteous to do their own leg work! If an old dumb ass can find it surely all the computer, .gov. experts can.
Parrots are everywhere basing their views/votes on only what they read on forums. Time they get a life an do their own leg work!
Hard to see the truth/events when wrapped up so tight in the flag, an believing what you are told w/o your own vetting.
Getting them wrapped in the flag is job 1, everything there after is down hill. Sysops are being ran on the American public by their gov an of elements nation states we support, an most Americans are to stupid, busy, or just don't give a shit enough to wake the fuck up.

ok then. You horde the data. Because that will really help...

 

[MarinePMI]

But I made the mistake of believing that during the Iraq invasion. Opps. I guess they were wrong about that.

Actually they weren't. But that is another discussion that I can't get into...

 

[MarinePMI]

I appreciate your constraints, but I hope you'll understand why I say that assertion can't be taken seriously by others without proof.

Yep. But I'm comfortable with that.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

ok then. You horde the data. Because that will really help...

What makes people think they are Entitled to the leg work or experience of others?
Do your own vetting, you might learn something.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

What makes people think they are Entitled to the leg work or experience of others?
Do your own vetting, you might learn something.

Lol. Dude, you referenced the leaks. You stated they were game changing in detail and insight and now you're saying if I want to better understand your perspective I have to duplicate your effort.

You're over due your nap.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Lol. Dude, you referenced the leaks. You stated they were game changing in detail and insight and now you're saying if I want to better understand your perspective I have to duplicate your effort.

The original message was to sharac, from now on I'll just PM the info, to those who supply the table.

Interesting you understood that fact, but not surprised by it.

Working for something brings a bigger reward, try it some time.

 

[lash]

I'm pretty sure that his point has to do with the fact that anything he says or links in this thread will once again just be construed as more discussion on a forum and worth just that much. Information is much more valued and understood when one finds it themselves at credible sources.

Edit: Gun posted before I finished...

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

I'm pretty sure that his point has to do with the fact that anything he says or links in this thread will once again just be construed as more discussion on a forum and worth just that much. Information is much more valued and understood when one finds it themselves at credible sources.

Edit: Gun posted before I finished...

Then why bother to mention it on the board in the first place... good grief, talk about being an anorak.

I look forward to closer US-Slovenia collaboration. The world needs it now more than ever...

 

[sharac]

What i find amusing is that someone somewhere is actually proud to be ignorant and willingly in the dark as its "way to hard" to do a little homework. What is less amusing is that its not rare nowadays and is one of the root causes why we're so fucked in general but i'm sure you don't see it like this so just carry on with gung ho attitude and do as your nick says and don't stop.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I look forward to closer US-Slovenia collaboration.

My guess is you look forward to anything you don't have to work for.
sharac is a known to me, you are not, that plain enough?

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

My guess is you look forward to anything you don't have to work for.
sharac is a known to me, you are not, that plain enough?

This is what happens when we miss our naps we become Mr. Grumpy and we have accidents in our Depends

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

This is what happens when we miss our naps we become Mr. Grumpy and we have accidents in our Depends

Your response above shows your intelligence, when bitch slapped with the truth. You bring nothing but Bullshit to the table plus like many, think post count equals knowledge or ability. It's a bitch looking in ain't it? I'll clue you once more,...easy to bullshit the fans, but you will never bullshit a player past or present! Now go drown your sorrows in your pint of Guinness. You get/impart all your knowledge the closer to the bottom of the mug/s, you get? I quit putting a thief in my mouth that would steal my pie brain long ago, could be you should try the same?

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Your response above shows your intelligence, when bitch slapped with the truth. You bring nothing but Bullshit to the table plus like many, think post count equals knowledge or ability. It's a bitch looking in ain't it? I'll clue you once more,...easy to bullshit the fans, but you will never bullshit a player past or present! Now go drown your sorrows in your pint of Guinness. You get/impart all your knowledge the closer to the bottom of the mug/s, you get? I quit putting a thief in my mouth that would steal my pie brain long ago, could be you should try the same?

Gun.

1. Have a sense of humor old boy. It's only a forum.
2. "Bitch slapped you with the truth". Man, that's a Will Farrell line, surely.
3. No you didn't. Because like a prick tease, you withheld the 'truth' even when I asked you for it...
4. Have a sense of humor old boy. It's only a forum.
5."Bitch slapped you with the truth". Man, that's a Will Farrell line, surely.
6. No you didn't. Because like a prick tease, you withheld the 'truth' even when I asked you for it...

(I know old folks have memory issues so I'm trying to help out...).

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Frank should be charging for this entertainment, but lets quit fucking up the thread with this kid shit.

Again, a question you have yet to answer, what makes you think you are entitled to the info in the first place, laziness aside?
What about you is supposed to impress me to the point I would be your slave?

 

[ArmyJerry]

That is a very weak attempt at an argument.

Explain to me why his views in 2013, on an almost exact same situation (except the attack in 2013 was larger) are 180deg different than his views now?

"The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013
TRUMP WAS WRONG ON THIS

"Don't attack Syria - an attack that will bring nothing but trouble for the U.S. Focus on making our country strong and great again!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013
TRUMP WAS WRONG ON THIS ONE TOO

"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long-term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."
Donald Trump Sept 2013

AGAIN WRONG HERE TOO, EXCEPT DEBT BUT YOU GET THAT WHETHER YOUR DROPPING BOMBS OR NOT

"What I am saying is stay out of Syria."
Donald Trump Sept 2013
HE CHANGED HIS MIND

"The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A."
Donald Trump Sept 2013
THIS WAS TRUE< BUT TRUMP DOESNT NEED TO DECLARE RED LINES, PEOPLE NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT LINE MIGHT BE.

"AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!"
Donald Trump Sept 2013
WELL TRUMP PUT PUTIN IN A BOX, PUT NORKS ON NOTICE AND LET CHINA KNOW THE GAME AS CHANGED

Not bad fir a guy with 2 months OJT in the white House.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Frank should be charging for this entertainment, but lets quit fucking up the thread with this kid shit.

Again, a question you have yet to answer, what makes you think you are entitled to the info in the first place, laziness aside?
What about you is supposed to impress me to the point I would be your slave?

I think you have it wrong about me. I'm not DEMANDING it as though I'm saying "prove me wrong". I'm asking so I can see what your view is. I'm not entrenched in an opinion, if you actually read what I've written earlier, I acknowledge history is replete with faux reason for war, that's it's actually part of the dance nations do when they want to have at it. The pretense of cause.

So Gun, again, if you've evidence that can educate and further understanding, it'd be great to see it. If you're going to say, that I, a dad of two, a full house, working 2 jobs, should spend the same time as a retired septuagenarian and some asshole in Slovenia on Govt. subsidies to find out what you already know and whose absence of knowledge in others you decry, then frankly, fine. I can seriously live with it and I'm rather content in the affirmation of my views of the Pit - that's it's a time sink of little value beyond the time it takes to snap off a log or two. I'm about ready to wipe. See ya.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I think you have it wrong about me. I'm not DEMANDING it as though I'm saying "prove me wrong". I'm asking so I can see what your view is. I'm not entrenched in an opinion, if you actually read what I've written earlier, I acknowledge history is replete with faux reason for war, that's it's actually part of the dance nations do when they want to have at it. The pretense of cause.

So Gun, again, if you've evidence that can educate and further understanding, it'd be great to see it. If you're going to say, that I, a dad of two, a full house, working 2 jobs, should spend the same time as a retired septuagenarian and some asshole in Slovenia on Govt. subsidies to find out what you already know and whose absence of knowledge in others you decry, then frankly, fine. I can seriously live with it and I'm rather content in the affirmation of my views of the Pit - that's it's a time sink of little value beyond the time it takes to snap off a log or two. I'm about ready to wipe. See ya.

Simple, you want it dig it up like I an sharac did. That concept escapes you I know.
As for sharac he has been here a long time with only 231 meaningful posts. He an I could/have read each other from afar and I suspect we have been down similar roads. You on the other hand have 323 posts with most all in the pit and have only been here how long? You'll never get it, but a clue is you earn it, ask around.
I've met, shot/shoot with, an run/ran threw the woods, and cried with guys I have met here. To a man we knew of/about the other before we shook hands the first time an to a man they earned it,.. as I did.
You on the other hand may never grasp that ability/concept. I hope you prove me wrong because as far as I know we only get to walk this path but once. When we are no longer alive the only thing people will remember is what we stood for, lines we never crossed, or ones plan of action before action was taken.
I've a 0300 wake up call, you keep pressing on if you wish.

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_V...FVWDExMnc/view

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...orylink=relast

"Postol has investigated the Ghouta chemical attack, and he has collaborated with Maram Susli (known online as 'Syrian Girl') in investigating the incident through examining YouTube footage and other sources.[SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][29][/SUP] Together they believe they found a number of items to be inconsistent with the conventional narrative of the incident. Together with 'Syrian Partisan Girl' and Richard Lloyd,[SUP][30][/SUP][SUP][28][/SUP][SUP][31][/SUP] Postol argued that the Ghouta chemical attack did not seem to have been launched by the Syrian government.[SUP][32][/SUP]

Postol has also criticized the unclassified intelligence assessment released by the Trump White House blaming the air forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for the April 2017 Khan Shaykhun chemical attack. Postol concluded that the assessment “contains absolutely no evidence that this attack was the result of a munition being dropped from an aircraft” and that photographic evidence used in the assessment pointed to an attack by people on the ground using a 122mm artillery rocket tube filled with a chemical agent and detonated by an explosive charge laid on top of it.[SUP][33]" Source - Wikipedia (see, it's not that fucking hard to cite sources is it...?!?[/SUP]

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...-version11.pdf

Here's you Assad / Iran shill with the 'penetrating' analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maram_Susli

I'll say this, I'd give her one.

 

[sharac]

Wikipedia has been proven to be on par with MSM on certain issues I'm sure you can do better. You will always have pro/cons and at least two or more sides/shades to a story however accepting or dismissing anything at face value only shows bias and that one is guided by emotions. Trust me Trump or other big boys aint ("the Ivanka told him" argument for bombing) they don't give rats ass about some poor civilians somewhere choking to death or being chopped apart by crazies. Unfortunately for you (and of course entire world) Trump has been successfully neutered by deep state and most of meaningful reforms are either dead in a water or on serious at least middle term stand by. So while i understand moments of pride when those tomahawks went flying (though hitting and destroying is another issue which we better not go into ) its rather ironic for them to be source of pride as they are harbinger of bad news, not act of power but more act of desperation and defeat. Can Trump win war after loosing initial battles - i hope so, but atm it doesn't look like it. West is completely fucked by its own poison that was used globally and it backfired at home (i simply do not believe in grand conspiracies as that requires some serious intellect, planning and character and i find our dear leaders lacking in all) and now we have a population of pussies in a world where more than half (as growth becomes exponential we are probably way over half) of world population are neither meek nor unused to fight for a living. Combine those two (as in parts of Europe) and instead of cultural enrichment (that was Benny HIll style of a joke - attempt) you get destruction of society. Your preferred solution is bombing bad men who do bad things in their bad countries*** and in the process causing displacement of bad men to pussified west mine is that bad men in bad places should be left to their business and we should do quite a lot on bettering ourselves and start solving our problems and undoing years of pussification through education, entertainment TV and by other sick (you can google Soros and "its" kin) perps.


***This can be also adjusted for specific situation as we must prevent Russias image as a capable country since they are doing to ISIS what we should've done years ago but were unable or unwilling to do as ISIS did come useful when trying to redirect public from domestic issues or when we needed some cheap OIL or push some buttons through proxy.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...-version11.pdf

Here's you Assad / Iran shill with the 'penetrating' analysis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maram_Susli

I'll say this, I'd give her one.

All links you posted are not the reports I was/am referring to. Your going to have to dig much, much deeper if you want the truth.

I only trust Intel reports when there is more than two-three who can confirm the events/evidence and those two or three are from different agency's or gov's. It's a puzzle all pieces have to fit.

 

[pmclaine]

Then why bother to mention it on the board in the first place... good grief, talk about being an anorak.

I look forward to closer US-Slovenia collaboration. The world needs it now more than ever...

Ill take Slovenia over Saudi Arabia.

With friends like Saudi Arabia.....

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

Ill take Slovenia over Saudi Arabia.

With friends like Saudi Arabia.....

wouldn't have done much for us and Tillerson would probably disagree too.

I get what Gun and Sharac are saying. Duplicity abounds. Nothing is as it's being represented to be. Our missiles are shit, the rebels are evil (as evil) as Assad, the chem. attacks are staged and Assad's being set up blah blah.

OK, so what? Going around calling everyone 'liberal bitches' is a pointless exercise. What can be done? Especially when their so called 'truth' is being treated like a Pokemon game and one has to go on a treasure hunt to get it. The Postol article was illuminating but I couldn't find anything corroborating it although the author's history is very compelling as to substantiate his current conclusions. Personally, I've nothing to gain by proving anything to Gun seeing as he's convinced I'm some .Gov shill. Whatever the cause, the situation we're in in missiles have flown (effectively or otherwise, the intent has been achieved) and we'll see how it goes. One thing I'm pretty sure of, Putin didn't expect it and that's always a good thing as he's a murderous thug who needs a .22 bouncing around inside his skull.

As an aside, Slovenia is a net benefactor of the EU to the tune of at least 266Euros per capita. SHarac may show a little gratitude to his benefactors. I doubt mother Russia would be so generous with her sustenance.

 

[sharac]

As an aside, Slovenia is a net benefactor of the EU to the tune of at least 266Euros per capita. SHarac may show a little gratitude to his benefactors. I doubt mother Russia would be so generous with her sustenance.

Again with a BS you know nothing about. Yes on paper but also on paper we get 63 million € for shutting down sugar factory, import all sugar and in the process get a fine of of 11 million for failing to blow up storage facilities. Through the process we were supposed to get the money and were left without home produced sugar and self sufficiency. This is just one of many examples how this EU(SSR) works and that things are not as they seem to be. So excuse me if i prefer to set my house in order first and bomb others later as we have much more urgent matters to attend at home with our fifth column and corrupted fuckers that will probably have to be put down since there is no way in hell they will leave peacefully or through democratic process (again Benny Hill attempt of a joke).

 

[APintOfGuinnessPlease!]

well you can hold off on the revolution comrade, your sugar farmers are back in business this year. Besides, wasn't an 89% vote for the entry to the EU compelling enough for you? Since joining your economy has grown to be 80% of the size of the average EU economy (you've surpassed Portugal even though admittedly, it's a low bar...).

 

[sharac]

Since this is way off topic i won't endulge you futher. Not everything is measured in currency and statistical data as there are also other metrics that define quality of life.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

sharac,
Don't know about you but after the return here from scout the place has changed so much I am done with it. I'm tired of all the kid an libtard shit myself. It's time to move to another site altogether. About 6-8 months before the move to scout I seen a lot of this kind of shit coming, an every time I looked over there is was worst. When it came back here I had hopes, but that was not to be. So take care my Friend, it's been fun to this point, but I'm done with this.