6.5 Creedmoor help please.

[top_shotta]

So I just picked up a Remington 700 in 6.5 Creedmoor. The guy I bought it from told me that the Jammed ogive measurement of 140 berger vlds should be 2.160 - 2.180. His last measurement was 2.165. And he loads them for a jump of 0.040 which would give a 2.125 ogive.

The problem I am having is that when I use the Hornady comparator and the same 140 berger vlds, my jammed measurement is 2.055. Which is 0.110 in different from his. If I were load the same bullets with the same jump of 0.040, that would make them 2.015......but this seems really short.

What am I doing wrong?

 

[Aimsmall55]

Every comparator is going to give you a different reading. Go off what YOU have. Your not doing anything wrong.

 

[pinsandpitons]

^^^^ What he said. Reason is your comparator body and insert are longer(?) than his and he may have pushed harder than you. Go off your data, it sounds like you are paying attention. That's never wrong.

 

[Rattler56]

You have to do the work and use your OAL gauge to find your ogive with your own tools.

 

[top_shotta]

Wow. Thank you gentlemen.

 

[top_shotta]

Thats what I did. The pic is my measurement. Im getting a reading way off from the previous owners measurement. I wanted to know why.

 

[BobinNC]

So I just picked up a Remington 700 in 6.5 Creedmoor. The guy I bought it from told me that the Jammed ogive measurement of 140 berger vlds should be 2.160 - 2.180. His last measurement was 2.165. And he loads them for a jump of 0.040 which would give a 2.125 ogive.

The problem I am having is that when I use the Hornady comparator and the same 140 berger vlds, my jammed measurement is 2.055. Which is 0.110 in different from his. If I were load the same bullets with the same jump of 0.040, that would make them 2.015......but this seems really short.

What am I doing wrong?

It is also possible that your both using different 6.5 Berger VLD's. Berger makes a 6.5mm 140 gr Target VLD and a 6.5mm 140 Gr Hunting VLD. The nose length is quite different between these two similar Berger VLD's....

Berger 140 Hunting VLD nose length 0.721"
Berger Target VLD nose length 0.816"

 

[top_shotta]

It is also possible that your both using different 6.5 Berger VLD's. Berger makes a 6.5mm 140 gr Target VLD and a 6.5mm 140 Gr Hunting VLD. The nose length is quite different between these two similar Berger VLD's....

Really?

That could be why! I bought the hunting ones. I would assume the previous owner used may have been using target vlds since this was his match rifle. I think i should find out. Thank you BobinNC!

 

[tigerfan_9]

It is also possible that your both using different 6.5 Berger VLD's. Berger makes a 6.5mm 140 gr Target VLD and a 6.5mm 140 Gr Hunting VLD. The nose length is quite different between these two similar Berger VLD's....

Berger 140 Hunting VLD nose length 0.721"
Berger Target VLD nose length 0.816"

The 0.816" nose is on the Hybrid Target. The 140 gr VLD Hunting and target have the same nose of 0.721". But yes not all the 140s are the same but it is Hybrid vs VLD that is different.

 

[Rattler56]

Loading for my .243, the Berger Target VLD's seat 2.884, touching the lands, the Hunting VLD's seat 2.830 touching the lands
and they are diffrent measuring them with my calipers and a comparator.

 

[top_shotta]

The 0.816" nose is on the Hybrid Target. The 140 gr VLD Hunting and target have the same nose of 0.721". But yes not all the 140s are the same but it is Hybrid vs VLD that is different.

What about the ogive measurement?

 

[Rattler56]

What about the ogive measurement?

The ogive is different on my .243 95 VLD target is 2.208, Hunting is 2.234.
Should of stated that the above is OAL.

 

[BobinNC]

The 0.816" nose is on the Hybrid Target. The 140 gr VLD Hunting and target have the same nose of 0.721". But yes not all the 140s are the same but it is Hybrid vs VLD that is different.

Indeed you are correct, missed the word Hybrid Target.

 

[Skigolfmike]

Is that a 26 cal comparitor? That would explain the difference if you guys didn't use the same insert. It's still valid for the measurement though.

 

[top_shotta]

Is that a 26 cal comparitor? That would explain the difference if you guys didn't use the same insert. It's still valid for the measurement though.

Yes I am using the correct insert. Its for .260 the 5-26. The problem I was getting was reading the caliper dial. The hundredths/thousandths dial doesnt cross zero. Exactly on the tenths digit on the slide. When at approximately 0.4 inches on the slide, that's where my zero is on the dial. So as I was reading it was actually a whole tenth off from what it looks like....if this makes any sense to you....

 

[Aimsmall55]

Yes I am using the correct insert. Its for .260 the 5-26. The problem I was getting was reading the caliper dial. The hundredths/thousandths dial doesnt cross zero. Exactly on the tenths digit on the slide. When at approximately 0.4 inches on the slide, that's where my zero is on the dial. So as I was reading it was actually a whole tenth off from what it looks like....if this makes any sense to you....

Word of advice ...... Load em ... Note em... And fucking shoot em.

 

[khardee]

I am currently having a 6.5 credmoor built in Montana and have bought all of the reloading components. Im looking at using Hornady Brass (Until Norma releases???), IMR4350, CCI BR2s and Berger VLD Hunting 140's. I can't find load data ANYWHERE!! I also have RL17 and 19. Please help with any data you may have. Thanks in advance!

 

[Rattler56]

It's in the Berger book R19 Start 38.5 end 43 at 2699 Max Vel. no IMR however H4350 Start 36.5 end 40.7 at Max Vel. 2634.
Hope this helps.

 

[khardee]

Thanks Rattler56, I've worked with Berger on several loads and when I called last week I was told that they were having problems getting SAAMI test barrels for the 6.5 creedmoor. He said they would TRY to have accurate load data in the upcoming manual. This same guy also told me they didn't make 6.5 140 hunting VLDs... Which I bought locally the day after! Seems like I received some bad information. Thanks again for your help!

 

[Rattler56]

Your welcome and also Hodgdon web site has basic loads for most calibers 6.5 included. Cartridge Loads - Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - data.hodgdon.com

 

[top_shotta]

I am currently having a 6.5 credmoor built in Montana and have bought all of the reloading components. Im looking at using Hornady Brass (Until Norma releases???), IMR4350, CCI BR2s and Berger VLD Hunting 140's. I can't find load data ANYWHERE!! I also have RL17 and 19. Please help with any data you may have. Thanks in advance!

Listen to that guy, Rattler56. I am using Hornady brass, berger hunting Vlds, cci 200, H4350 @ 43gr.

 

[khardee]

Since my last post I have worked up some decent loads and found some great information. I found 3 pounds of h4350 and purchased 200 130gr Berger VLDs and 50 Barnes 127 LRX. I have 25 140gr VLDs which I've had the pleasure of killing 2 deer with, one at 515 the other at 485. I've also missed 2 at 520 and 540... I was using the IMR 4350 and both of my misses we're substantially short and the temperature was in the 20's each time vs the upper 60's when I developed the load. Thus the switch to h4350. What I am looking at is Berger load data for the 130s stating max load data WAY lower (41.6 @ 2727fps) than some of the loads I see here. My rifle is a Remington 700 with a 26" Lilja 3 groove 1:8 twist. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance!