6.5 Creedmoor

The Lawn Ranger · Aug 16, 2014

The 139 Scenars are the shit in my gun as well.

42.9 grains of H4350 .015" off the lands.

2855 fps, very low SD/ES

Southpaw357 · Aug 16, 2014

The Lawn Ranger said:
The 139 Scenars are the shit in my gun as well.

42.9 grains of H4350 .015" off the lands.

2855 fps, very low SD/ES

What is your COAL with this load, please?

jake6547 · Aug 16, 2014

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The Lawn Ranger · Aug 16, 2014

2.264" base to bullet ogive

southpaw357 said:
what is your coal with this load, please?

LVMED · Aug 21, 2014

I know it's probably hidden somewhere in this thread but does anyone have any load data for 123 smks in a semi gas gun? I just got the email from JP saying my barrel is on its way and I want to load some rounds before I complete my build.

gau17 · Aug 22, 2014

Hi guys,

My old load with the 140 Hybrids stopped grouping well for me. Load 42.9 H4350/ 2.86"

1. Should I seat them longer until accuracy comes back?
2. Increase the charge?
3. Or both?

My 139's Scenars still shoot super accurate with the same barrel so it's not toast yet. The barrel only has about 1700 rds.

Aimsmall55 · Sep 3, 2014

42.6 h4350. 140 vld at 2.140 to ogive. Fgm210m. 2814 fps. Gap Crusader. 890 yards

AndrewS · Sep 5, 2014

djskit said:
COAL 2.850"
Factory Brass
CCI BR2
H4350 43.3 grains
Lapua 139 Scenars
26" Brux 1-8" chambered by Score -Hi Gunsmithing
2815 fps 60 deg, DA 500

Where did you get your info to start loading with the Lapua 139 Scenar? I can't find a reloading manual online or their website. I have some of these bullets on the way and really want to get some loads started. Thanks!

steveptr · Sep 5, 2014

AndrewS said:
Where did you get your info to start loading with the Lapua 139 Scenar? I can't find a reloading manual online or their website. I have some of these bullets on the way and really want to get some loads started. Thanks!

I started with 140 gr bullet suggestions in the book and worked up a load. He's got more in his then I do.

AndrewS · Sep 6, 2014

steveptr said:
I started with 140 gr bullet suggestions in the book and worked up a load. He's got more in his then I do.

I'm having a heck of a time with my Berger 140 Hybrids. Would it be safe to say I could duplicate my powder charge used for load development for my Bergers and be ok?

Garvey · Sep 16, 2014

Tikka action
Bartlein 1:8.5" twist Rem Varmint contour, 26" finish
JEC Brake
140 gr. A-max
H-4350
.024" jump to fit in the mag

42.4 gr
2810 fps average MV
ES 15

Left to right wind, 7 o'clock, 2-6 mph.
Had a flier 3" below the center of the group, but I'm gonna blame that on the mirage today.

loic · Sep 17, 2014

All those pics...arrhhhh, I cant wait for my rifle to be finished...

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toyfreak · Sep 19, 2014

Taggage

swampthang · Sep 22, 2014

i shoot 1000yd i.b.s. and my pet load for 6.5 creedmoor is 42.7 gr of h-4350 ,140berger vld seated .0010 off lands produce sub 4 in groups at 1000 and routinly sub 5 in groups. best is a 3.188 and 3.778 for record. no pressure sins, fed 210match primers. bartlein 5r @28 in long, bruce baer mbr stock , jewell hvr, nightforce benchrest 12x42 2dd recticle. got 1640 rounds documented and still shoots sub moa at 1000yds.

loic · Sep 25, 2014

I just picked up my rifle !!!!! Cant wait to try it...lol

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loic · Sep 25, 2014

loic said:
Started with a rem 700 sps varmint in 22-250, with hs precision stock, detachable mag. Very nice shooter but the barrel was worn.(I haad over 3k rds thru it) so a couple months ago I gave it to wild west gun for them to replace the barrel but in 6.5 creedmor cut to 26 inches, add a muzzle break , add a timney trigger and true the action. Im on my way to try it, its super windy but I just can't wait. I have only 36 rds but thats ok...lol.

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bh10 · Sep 29, 2014

Aimsmall55 · Sep 30, 2014

AndrewS said:
I'm having a heck of a time with my Berger 140 Hybrids. Would it be safe to say I could duplicate my powder charge used for load development for my Bergers and be ok?

Yes sir. You'd be fine

loic · Sep 30, 2014

I cannot find any h4350, but I have about 6lb of varget, anyone used varget with the 140 gr amax ?

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swampthang · Oct 2, 2014

I think i can safely speak with authority on the creedmoor. I shoot one in 1000yd i.b.s. And routinly shoot sub 5 in groups in competition with a best of 3.187 and 3.374.
My load is 42.7 gr h-4350 fed 210m 140 berger vld seated .010 off the lands- 28in bartlein 1:8 mcmillan mbr.n/f 12x42 i would spend the money now and handload to really show the potential of the great round- factory load shoot ok but if you really want to unlock accuracy...handload.

smfourie · Oct 3, 2014

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RRG · Oct 4, 2014

gau17 said:
Hi guys,

My old load with the 140 Hybrids stopped grouping well for me. Load 42.9 H4350/ 2.86"

1. Should I seat them longer until accuracy comes back?
2. Increase the charge?
3. Or both?

My 139's Scenars still shoot super accurate with the same barrel so it's not toast yet. The barrel only has about 1700 rds.

I bought some 140 Hybrids to try, the first load I I tried looks pretty good off the Bench at 100 yards.
42.4 grains of RL 17. I think They are seated about .015 or .020 off the lands.

Hopefully they will work good off the 600 yard line.

loic · Oct 6, 2014

I still cant find h4350, so having some varget I decided to reload some, at 100 yards it is not bad. Here a 4 shots and 5 shoots.

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Aimsmall55 · Oct 6, 2014

Jmilera said:
Gents I need some help, I just purchased hornady factory 140 grain ammo from MH, lot number 3133063 and I am getting 1.5 inch groups from my AIAX . My other older lots shoot a solid 1-2 moa same day, same rifle. Has anyone else seen this and whom should I contact to get them exchanged?
Thanks
Joe

Go to range report and exterior ballistics. I started a thread about the whole ordeal. It's the 140 Amax. The old Vs. the new

thrusty · Oct 7, 2014

New 6.5 Creed load data thread on Scout. Help bring over the good data...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=541&f=5533&t=13231164

loic · Oct 9, 2014

Went out again, still using varget (tgats what I have on hand) to ME it looks good at least to 600 yards (this is probably the best group I ever made at 600 but im kearning...lol)
100 yards , 35.8 gr varget, 27 inch shillen barrel

Here at 600 yards, 5 shoots.

From middle of the inpact (it may be the wrong way to check ?!!)

I tried a close up because we dont see the inpact that well.

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Southpaw357 · Oct 9, 2014

Awesome!

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512dallas · Oct 10, 2014

Pressure signs

swampthang said:
I think i can safely speak with authority on the creedmoor. I shoot one in 1000yd i.b.s. And routinly shoot sub 5 in groups in competition with a best of 3.187 and 3.374.
My load is 42.7 gr h-4350 fed 210m 140 berger vld seated .010 off the lands- 28in bartlein 1:8 mcmillan mbr.n/f 12x42 i would spend the money now and handload to really show the potential of the great round- factory load shoot ok but if you really want to unlock accuracy...handload.

Any pressure signs with that load? Seem a little higher than normal.

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6.5 Creedmoor
10/07/2014 Last edited 10/15/2014 by Thrust911

Load data....Bring it on over.
Original thread: **6.5 Creedmoor Loads**

Mine:

42.0gr H4350
139gr Lapua Scenar
GM210M Primer
2.84" COAL
~2765FPS 26" Bartlein barrel
Single digit SD out of a GAP
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/13/2014

Lets see...

44.1gr H4350

123gr Lapua Scenar

CCI BR2

2.800" COAL

2925fps 22" Krieger

Single Digit SD, 8 I believe

Going to experiment with Varget, H4350 puts a lot of pressure back through the port, this is an auto loader. I've got a few components I'm going to swap to try and delay the timing on the cycle but if that doesn't work I may switch powders in an effort to get the gun running less harshly. Its putting a beating on the brass right now and I believe most of the problem has to do with the timing, rather than excessive pressure. Its a shame, because its a really accurate load.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/14/2014

H4350 load - has been stable across 3 out of 4 lots

43.0gr H4350
140gr Berger VLD (Hunting version seems more accurate but Target is still 1/2 MOA)
GM210M Primer
.020" Jump
2820FPS 26" Bartlein barrel

H100V load - Faster but fouls barrel very quickly, leaves heavy soot on case necks. Only tried 1 lot

42.5gr H100V
140gr Berger VLD
G210M Primer
.020" Jump
2870FPS 26" Bartlein barrel
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/14/2014

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GAP CRUSADER 1:8.25 Bartlein Bbl, MTU contour, 27"
42.6 H4350 , 140 vld at 2.140 to Ogive, fgm210m, hornady brass , gives me 2810 to 2820 fps.
42.7 H4350 with a 140 Hybrid at 2.124 to ogive with all of the same above gives me 2830 fps.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/16/2014

41.4gr H4350
140gr Amax
GM 210M Primer
2.805 COAL
~2720 FPS 23" 8.5 Twist Bartlein
.20 MOA PCR Build
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/16/2014

136gr Scenar-L

41.1 gr H4350

CCI BR2

Hornady brass

2.75" COAL

2610fps out of a 21" Bartlein

Shoots less than a quarter minute at 100, sub half MOA at 800 and sub MOA at 1300yds.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/18/2014

Just got a rifle that is a 6.5 Creedmore. This is going to help me with loads for this round.

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10/20/2014

Im new to the 6.5 creedmoor, cannot find any h4350 and I have been out of job for 2 months, so I tried with the varget I had on hand , it isnt bad at all until at least 600 yards. Now if can find a way to post pics., the gorum doesnt work anymore for mevwith tapatalk...

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/20/2014
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Hornady brass
federal 210M
43.2 H4350
2.91 OAL
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Here's my load:

Hornaday Brass (fully prepped, .289 bushing)
42.5 grains of IMR 4350
Berger 140 grain VLD Target (2.227" to ogive)
Federal 210M

Unfortunately, I pulled the last shot and I didn't have enough rounds to do it again.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/29/2014 Last edited 11/07/2014 by wrhunter

140 Amax 42g H4350

GM210M primers

2715 fps in a 22" tube

5 rounds cold bore @100yds

Had a sample pack of 140vld hunting so I tried 41.5g H4350 at a random mag friendly coal.
5 rounds @100 yards

Chamber was cut for the 140 Amax
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/30/2014

Looking for good succesful loads for a GAP 10 in 6.5 Creedmore.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/31/2014

Just found a pretty decent load for the wife's new PRS gun.

42.0gr H4350

140AMAX, 0.005" off the lands

CCI200 primer

Hornady brass

~2850fps out of a 26" Broughton

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/03/2014

139 Scenars
42.4gr H4350
Hornady Brass
FGM210M
2.25 Ogive
.035 off the lands
2785fps out of a 24" Bartlein
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26" 1/8 Bartlein barrel
Hornady brass
WLR primer
140gr AMAX
42.3gr H4350
~ 2705 FPS; I know I can load hotter, but this is really accurate and works well

Bullet insensitive to seating depth, so I load to mag length.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/26/2014

26 inch 1/8 Brux

139 scenar

43.3 H4350

.015 off the lands

CCI BR-2

2830 fps

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11/27/2014

139gr Scenar
41.5gr H4350
Nosler Brass
CCI LRP
2,820 fps
26" AINA barrel (1:8" Bartlein 5r)
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
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I've got several load combos.

42.4 H4350, Hornady brass, FGM210M, 140 vld at 2.140 to ogive
5 shots
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5 at 890 yards
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43.8 H4350 , 130 vld , all same as above , 2.135 to ogive.
2928 fps at 75 degrees and a 1/4 moa load.

My load for 30 degree weather and lower is 43.1 H4350 , a 140 hybrid at 2.125 to ogive. Is 2840 fps.
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I've also had REALLY good results with 42.5 Reloader 17 with 140 amax, 140 vld , and 140 hybrid.
Gained about 75 to 90 fps with great , consistent hits at 1k.

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I pretty much use the size charge at 42.8grs of RL17 for 140-142gr bullets in DTA with excellent results. Stopped using H4350 since I got so much more velocity and maintained good accuracy.

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I've got several load combos.

42.4 H4350, Hornady brass, FGM210M, 140 vld at 2.140 to ogive
5 shots
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5 at 890 yards
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43.8 H4350 , 130 vld , all same as above , 2.135 to ogive.
2928 fps at 75 degrees and a 1/4 moa load.

My load for 30 degree weather and lower is 43.1 H4350 , a 140 hybrid at 2.125 to ogive. Is 2840 fps.
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I've also had REALLY good results with 42.5 Reloader 17 with 140 amax, 140 vld , and 140 hybrid.
Gained about 75 to 90 fps with great , consistent hits at 1k.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
12/06/2014

Certainly not a typical load, but perfect when application calls for it. 108 Lapua, 210M, 39.7 Varget. Yeah, I pulled one in each group.

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NGCSUGrad09 wrote:
136gr Scenar-L

41.1 gr H4350

CCI BR2

Hornady brass

2.75" COAL

2610fps out of a 21" Bartlein

Shoots less than a quarter minute at 100, sub half MOA at 800 and sub MOA at 1300yds.

That is going to be my next batch!
Any info on DOPE to 800 and 1K?
How far off the lands, though these Scenar l's are not supposed to be as sensitive to jump?

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12/14/2014

130gr Berger Hunting VLD

42.4gr H4350

22" Bartlein

Chronoed 2747 @ 54.5*F on 12/13/14

SD 8 ES 20 with a magnetospeed

I've clocked this load at a faster speed in warmer weather. Anyone have a rought idea of what the muzzle velocity variation is with H4350?

1500+ rounds down the barrel and still hammers.

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12/23/2014

39.4 grains of varget

120 grain Amax

Br2 primer

seated 2.750 overall length

this load combo works very well in my AO build. Usually shoots into the same hole at 100 yds.

sorry , no pics.

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6.5 creedmoor

139 scenars

42 g h4350

2 1/2 inch 5 shot group at 600 yards

though very accurate I do notice a 6 inch drop of bullet impact at 600 yds compared to factory hornady 139 loads.

I took three of the factory 139 loads apart and weighed the powder and it weighed in at 44.1 grains of h4350. That is a lot more than they say it is loaded at. So I have some more reloads done at 44 grains to see of I get similar bullet impacts at distance. I'll let you know what I find out.

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eravelo wrote:

NGCSUGrad09 wrote:
136gr Scenar-L

41.1 gr H4350

CCI BR2

Hornady brass

2.75" COAL

2610fps out of a 21" Bartlein

Shoots less than a quarter minute at 100, sub half MOA at 800 and sub MOA at 1300yds.

That is going to be my next batch!
Any info on DOPE to 800 and 1K?
How far off the lands, though these Scenar l's are not supposed to be as sensitive to jump?

Great shooting!

With a DA of 2000, 6.3 Mils to 800yds and 9.2 Mils to 1000yards. My velocity requirement in load testing was only to keep at least 1000 yards on the first rotation of a 10 Mil per turn scope. I wanted something that was stupid accurate, and I got it really by accident.

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01/03/2015

Tag for later.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/03/2015

Berger 140g VLD Target

Fed 210 primers

2.800" OAL

42g RL17

2872fps 5 shot avg @40 degrees F/750' alt (9fps Std Dev) 26" Bartlien barrel

Ran out of Fed primers and using CCI Magnum LR #250 averaged 2883fps with 35fps Std Dev

Load developed using the OCW method with the Fed primers. 1/2 MOA @ 100yds

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01/16/2015

Tag... Going to start reloading for this cartridge.

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Tag, I only hope my new LRP shoots like some of yours...thinking the 140 a-max might be my first load attempt
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01/17/2015

Sean-
Just curious why loaded so short at 2.75 COAL? Short throated chamber or just looking to jump the bullet a significant amount? I just picked up about 900 of the Scenar L's and have had little opportunity to test much. Shooting in two AR's and one bolt gun, all of which have different lengths to touching lands.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/18/2015

Anyone have loads with Hybrid 100v pushing 140 berger hybrids that work good for then? Yes I know H4350 is the powder of choice but I cant get hold of any at reasonable prices.

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01/23/2015

What brand dies are you guys using

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01/23/2015

Redding or Whidden FL sizing bushing dies with micrometer seating die. Either are very good, low runout if set up correctly. Use either with confidence. Have both AR's and bolt 6.5's, hence the FL sizing or you might get away with body die and neck size bushing setup if dedicated to one bolt rifle.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/25/2015

43.1gr H4350

136gr Lapua Scenar

2.775 OAL

WLR Primer

~2820 FPS

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/26/2015

Same question as I'd posed to Sean-what's behind the short COAL? Throat length, mag length, bullet jump for this bullet in your gun, ?? I'm working with 136 Scenar in two AR's and one bolt, all with different length to touching lands and seeing your's at 2.77 and other at 2.75-both quite short-curious at to reasoning. Am loading to 2.100 to ogive, right at 2.82 overall.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/26/2015

bobketx wrote: Same question as I'd posed to Sean-what's behind the short COAL? Throat length, mag length, bullet jump for this bullet in your gun, ?? I'm working with 136 Scenar in two AR's and one bolt, all with different length to touching lands and seeing your's at 2.77 and other at 2.75-both quite short-curious at to reasoning. Am loading to 2.100 to ogive, right at 2.82 overall.

I'm not sure. I knew it was going to be safe in my rifle (I've gone up to 43.5gr w/ a 140 AMAX loaded at that length) so I figured I would try it out. I usually just load my rounds mag length, but to be honest I found almost no variation between mag length and standard SAAMI 2.810" w/ the 140 AMAX. I only had one box of these 136 scenars that I got as part of a trade, so I didn't want to go dicking around w/ load development. If I get more of these in the future I'll probably play around a bit more because I know I can load them hotter and longer and get more speed; but, for know I know I have a good starting point.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/01/2015

Gents,

To answer your question, no other reason that they shoot really good! I was experimenting pushing them out, playing with mag length and then dropping them just to see what would happen. When I found that the shortest OAL I tried punched them into one hole, I decided to just stick to it and not worry.

Sorry I don't have a better answer than the load just shoots and it was a random experiment.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/02/2015

I've been running H100v for years with good results. I'm running 40.5gr with berger 140 hybrids in my POF 6.5cm, limited to 2.81oal, and averaging 2675fps out of a 22" Rock Creek Barrel. Got it up to 2750 with 41.5gr, but the primer pockets were getting loose by the 3rd load.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/03/2015

Hornady Brass 3x fired
H4350 - 42.7 grns
BR-2 Primer
Berger 140 Hybrids
2.820" COAL
2790 fps
Broughton barrel finished at 24"
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/23/2015

Man. My whammy must be hot but it isn't showing any pressure signs.

44.1 gr H4350
140 Amax
CCI 200
Hornady brass.

Trajectory trueing shows it is 2770 FPS out of a 20" rock creek.

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02/23/2015
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02/26/2015
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
03/12/2015 Last edited 03/12/2015 by pby5cat

41.5gr H4350

140 AMAX

GM210M

2.810" COAL Mag length

2660 FPS 24" Criterion

DPMS large frame AR semi-auto, Fulton armory upper with 24" criterion and SLR gas block.

Note: minor pressure signs, other Semi will need to be careful

Note: hornady box recipy

Any data on RL26?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
03/14/2015 Last edited 03/14/2015 by Jec375

140gr Amax
42.6 h4350
Oal. 2.810
Winchester LRP
26"Bartline 1-8.5
Mv 2810

140 Berger hybrid
42.8 h4350
Fed gm LRP
Oal. 2.805
26" Bartline 1-8.5
Mv 2828

Trued out to 750 yards and ran over a magneto v3

Also I opened a factory Amax the other day it has 43.7 of something, anyone know?
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
03/14/2015

42.3 H4350
Berger 140 Hybrids
2.222 to Ogive
Hornady brass
Fed 210M primers
MV 2761
SD 4.5
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/16/2015 Last edited 04/16/2015 by Jmartin2076
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I use 42.1 gns of RL 17 and CCI Br 2 primers to push 140 Hybrids to 2900 fps from a 26 in Bartlien with no pressure signs. Seated about 3 thou off the lands. Accuracy has been 1/2 MOA or smaller so far. Measured with a Magneto v3.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/16/2015

Jmartin2076 wrote:
I use 42.1 gns of RL 17 and CCI Br 2 primers to push 140 Hybrids to 2900 fps from a 26 in Bartlien with no pressure signs. Seated about 3 thou off the lands. Accuracy has been 1/2 MOA or smaller so far. Measured with a Magneto v3.

Do you think you could comment regarding what temperature you were shooting in? I like the numbers for Reloader 17 but have also heard horror stories regarding how it shoots REALLY fast on hot days.

My setup will be very similar to your setup. Also, what kind of brass?
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/17/2015

Well, my GAP 6.5 creedmor will be here TODAY!!! Coming Back from GA Precision after getting a new Krieger MTU 1:8 at 26". Apparently , it'll be about 1# heavier than the original Bartlein ( GAP # 7) I had on there. I've got several hundred rounds loaded, but I gotta ask, does anybody know where to find 140 Berger Hybrids???
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/18/2015

Todd,

Bullets.com showing 100 count and 500 count In Stock. My go to as they're priced right, always arrive intact and ship quickly. Good luck with that new tube. Hope it shoots as good as the Bartlein did!

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04/18/2015

Aimsmall55 wrote: Well, my GAP 6.5 creedmor will be here TODAY!!! Coming Back from GA Precision after getting a new Krieger MTU 1:8 at 26". Apparently , it'll be about 1# heavier than the original Bartlein ( GAP # 7) I had on there. I've got several hundred rounds loaded, but I gotta ask, does anybody know where to find 140 Berger Hybrids???

Bullets.com is where I've been getting mine and they have a ton in stock.
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04/18/2015

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Todd,

Bullets.com showing 100 count and 500 count In Stock. My go to as they're priced right, always arrive intact and ship quickly. Good luck with that new tube. Hope it shoots as good as the Bartlein did!

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After "shoot and clean" and got the copper fouling down to almost nothing. I pulled out some old hand loads from my last barrel. 140 hybrid at 2.125 to ogive with 42.4 h4350. I put 4 in the same hole, but as usual, I pulled the 5th shot high.
I'd say it's a shooter!!
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/18/2015

Hands Down!

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/22/2015 Last edited 04/26/2015 by Jmartin2076
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Sorry, been awhile since I've checked in. Temp has been from 45-65 degrees and seems pretty stable so far. I am going to try testing for stability this weekend, here's my plan. Put 5 rounds in an insulated case with an ice pack, 5 rounds in an insulated case with a chem hand warmer and leave 5 rounds at ambient temp. I will measure the temp of each batch before shooting, being careful not to let them sit in the chamber long. I'll record the MV on my Magneto v3 and use the info to measure MV change per temp change. I'll post my results when I get them.

Update: I tested the MV change of RL17 today. I put 5 rounds in a cooler with ice, 5 in a cooler with hand warmers and 5 left at ambient. They were all left in their container for about 2 hours. I checked the temp of each set before shooting and got 35, 55, 70. I loaded each set quickly to minimize heating or cooling and shot them quickly so they didn't sit in a warm chamber. Using a Magneto V3 I got the average for each set. I calculated MV change by subtracting the lowest MV from the the middle and dividing the difference by the diff. in temp for those two sets. I then did this for the mid and high sets. The MV change for the low to mid was 1.3 and the change for the mid to high was .8. I then used just the low temp set and high and did the same calc which gave me very close to 1. with the 3 to compare I feel very confident that RL17 is giving me a MV Change of 1 fps per degree F. I hope someone else runs a similar test and can compare results with mine but it looks like RL 17 is pretty stable.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/27/2015
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Update on my 6.5 Crusader. The Krieger isn't as fast as the Bartlein was but man is it accurate.
140 vld with 42.4 h4350.
78 F with a 100 yard zero.
372 yards- 1.5 mils
620 yards - 3.78 mils
790 yarss - 5.8 mils
890 yards- 6.8 mils
985 yards - 8.0 mils.
Running about 2790 to 2800 fps.
Had a 10" gong at 890 and put 5 that were 2 to 2 1/2" group tops. At 985, I actually shot a tighter group than at 885. I put three shots that were touching on plate.

So far I'm VERY happy with my results. Especially considering that these loads were all loaded about 10 months ago with my OLD barrel.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/28/2015 Last edited 04/30/2015 by bornhunter04

Playing around with RL 17 right now. Will update this post with range report as soon as i shoot my test loads.

Speeds listed are for 1 shot only across magneto-speed just to get a rough idea of what kind of speed I'm looking at.

Plan is to shoot for accuracy this week and then chrono more loads to verify speed. Speed isn't worth much if i can't find an accurate load.

42.2 and 42.4 showed lots of promise, .25" groups with a couple of fliers (i can honestly take the blame for the fliers). Loaded up some 42.3gr to try next with 130gr berger vld's. Ran all the way to 43.0gr with 130's and no pressure signs.....

43.0gr gets me 2929 with a 130 berger from a 22" barrel......

123gr scenars

43.0gr 2906

43.5gr 2935

44.0gr 3006 (barely starting to see pressure signs with this one)

All from a 22" barrel.

Update:

checked the loads @ 100 but nothing was consistent enough for me to investigate further.....back to the drawing board. Do have some Berger 140's to try out with RL17 yet though.

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04/29/2015
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Playing around with RL 17 right now. Will update this post with range report as soon as i shoot my test loads.

Speeds listed are for 1 shot only across magneto-speed just to get a rough idea of what kind of speed I'm looking at.

Plan is to shoot for accuracy this week and then chrono more loads to verify speed. Speed isn't worth much if i can't find an accurate load.

42.2 and 42.4 showed lots of promise, .25" groups with a couple of fliers (i can honestly take the blame for the fliers). Loaded up some 42.3gr to try next with 130gr berger vld's. Ran all the way to 43.0gr with 130's and no pressure signs.....

43.0gr gets me 2929 with a 130 berger from a 22" barrel......

123gr scenars

43.0gr 2906

43.5gr 2935

44.0gr 3006 (barely starting to see pressure signs with this one)

All from a 22" barrel.

I too played with R17 and 140 hybrids and 130 vlds. I shot 42.5 r17 with a 140 hybrid. Dope was 3.49 mils at 620, 5.15 at 790 , 6.2 at 890, 6.6 at 923, and 7.5 at 995 yards. Were running 2898 fps from a 26" Krieger 1:8 on a GAP Crusader.
My dope for the 130 vlds .... Same distances listed were
620- 3.17 mils
790- 4.7 mils
890-5.77 mils
923-6.15 mils
995-7 mils.
130's were running 3050 fps. 43.2 R17. At 2.140 to ogive. No overpressure what so ever , but they weren't NEARLY as accurate as the 140 hybrids.
Maybe they just aren't as accurate at that speed because my 43.8 h4350 load at 2940 KILLS!!
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/30/2015

I havent seen where anyone tried the 100gr vmax for accuracy in a CM.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/09/2015

Anyone loading Lapua formed brass with the 140 hybrid or 140 Horn HPBT?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/14/2015

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone who has experience with IMR 4451 would chime in with any helpful tips, thanks.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/19/2015 Last edited 05/19/2015 by HumbleEinstein
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New load.

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05/20/2015

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/21/2015

How much bullet jump do you use for the 140r Berger Hybrids?
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/24/2015

Since I have not seen any loads for the 142 Matchking here goes.

PCR Built Creedmoor Rem action

24" 1-8 Bartlien

42.6 gr H4350

142 sierra Matchking

2.815 OAL (jump .030)

1/4 min at 200 yds

Data showing its running right at 2800 fps. Ran it to 700 today and it looks very good.

Just starting with this load but I am very happy with what I'm seeing so far. Now for 1000yds plus......

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/30/2015 Last edited 05/30/2015 by ArmyJerry

Moving my other post over here so I can find it.

Testing the 140 Hybrid today

Rifle =

LRI Rem 700 build

24 inch Bart 8 twist M24 contour

Manners T4 mini Chassis / AI Mag

Bullet Berger 140 Hybrid

Horn Brass match prepped

H4350 42.5

Max COAL = 2.88

Max Ogive - 2.209

Bullet Seated ogive 2.179

Doing testing on seating depth today

Bullets seated from .005 to .050 off the lands with the 42.5 load.

Avg Speed 2819 fps

SD 4.0

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/11/2015

Rifle is a Short Action Customs with JAE chassis. Final load developed. 5 shot group with 4 bullets in the same hole. I pulled one high and left at 11 o'clock. 0.2 MOA. Velocity = 2,717 FPS.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/12/2015
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The more I look at the 6.5CM the more I feel the power of the "force" calling me to change my 308 to 6.5....

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06/13/2015
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Str8shooterTx wrote:
The more I look at the 6.5CM the more I feel the power of the "force" calling me to change my 308 to 6.5....

I sold my .308 after I bought my 6.5CM. I never looked back.
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06/15/2015
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Just do it Str8, but keep your 308 for zombie day,

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/18/2015

136L Lapua Scenar

40 grains (weighed) H4350, FED GM210M primer

2758 FPS average for 10 shots over the Magneto Speed (My 26" light Varmint 1:8 twist Krieger barrels seem to run a tad faster than others are finding)

COAL is 2.845 (these are for a match where single loading is REQUIRED, but they will go through the magazine) but that length gives me .005 off the lands.

5 shot group @ 100 yards (kind of a breezy day) gave me .485" group.

Seems to be in the right speed area for me, but I am planning on doing up some loads between 40 grains and 42 grains and see what happens.

I use a load of H4350 with 43.5 grains and FED GM210M primer in my more "tactical" 6.5 Creedmoor, 123 grain Lapua at 2980 FPS over the Magneto Speed Chrono with all dies (I use a different set of dies for each) set differently (giving 2.797 COAL @ .006 off the lands). The "tactical" rifle is an M24 Kieger barrel in 8:1 twist finished at 26 inches and shoots well under one MOA...usually near down around .5 MOA even with an ole half blind and shaky guy like me shooting the groups.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/23/2015

10 shots over the magnetospeed with H4350 @ 43.1 using a 130 grain Berger AR Hybrid seated -.010 from the lands.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/23/2015 Last edited 06/24/2015 by bornhunter04

Niles, What length barrel? Bolt or gas gun?

Any one play with IMR 4451 yet? I've got a pound to try just haven't had a chance to make any loads with it yet.

IMR 4451
I loaded 41.5, 42.0, 42.5 with 130 vlds with ogive @ 2.151

42.5, 43.0, 43.5 with 123 scenars @ coal: 2.80

Going to try and shoot them tomorrow.

Update:

90* F 1000 Elevation 40% humidity 29.43 baro

22" barrel - badger micro FTE 3x fired brass not annealed

IMR 4451 - 3 shots each with magnetospeed V3 bayo and V1 display

130 Berger VLD - Ogive 2.151

41.5gr - 2708 SD 10

42.0gr - 2725 SD 11

42.5gr - 2798 SD 22

Didn't reach pressure signs with these yet.

123 Lapua Scenar - 2.800 COAL

42.5gr - 2847 SD 13

43.0gr - 2872 SD 10

43.5gr - 2909 SD 22

Ejector swipe on 43.5gr. Max pressure.

A couple loads showed some promise with the 130's. Would have to play with seating depth on 123's they're very picky in my rifle.

This powder has a different smell than any of the hodgdon powders, can't describe it, but it is familiar. Powder also meters very well.

Thought it was interesting how the SD's shot up with the higher charge weights. Not sure what's causing that.

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06/24/2015 Last edited 06/24/2015 by Why1504

I have an AIAT with a Mile Hih Shooting 26" 6.5 Creedmoor Tooley/Bartlin barrel.

Next week I plan to begin working on a load. The chamber measures to 1.955. I haven't measured to the lands yet.

My one shot brass all measures 1.928 to 1.932.

I plan to trim my brass to 1.928.

I have one pound of H4350 and RL15. Plan to test with 140 AMAX pills.

Can anyone advise on where I should start for my ladder test? Which powder? OAL suggestions? How much jump?
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06/24/2015 Last edited 06/24/2015 by nilescoyote

Why1504 wrote:

I have one pound of H4350 and RL15. Plan to test with 140 AMAX pills.

Can anyone advise on where I should start for my ladder test? Which powder? OAL suggestions? How much jump?

I started H4350 at 41 grains, you may find your first node around 41-41.5 and your second 42.4-42.9 with 139-142 class bullets.

To the question above yours, my 26" X-Caliber barrel is affixed to a Stiller bolt action and my chamber has the .199 freebore.

Seating depth testing at 300y, dots are 2"

I will be going with -.020 me thinks

I used the same elevation setting on all... interesting that the POI climbed the further I jumped.

This was also with freshly annealed brass, my magnetospeed clocked 2898 today with the bullets .020 off the lands. Air temp at time of shots was around 74
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06/26/2015

Why1504 wrote: I have an AIAT with a Mile Hih Shooting 26" 6.5 Creedmoor Tooley/Bartlin barrel.

Did you mean RL 17? I haven't heard of anyone using 15. I am using Rl 17 and getting 2900 fps at 42.1 gr.

Next week I plan to begin working on a load. The chamber measures to 1.955. I haven't measured to the lands yet.

My one shot brass all measures 1.928 to 1.932.

I plan to trim my brass to 1.928.

I have one pound of H4350 and RL15. Plan to test with 140 AMAX pills.

Can anyone advise on where I should start for my ladder test? Which powder? OAL suggestions? How much jump?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/26/2015

42.3g Hodgdon H4350 powder
140g Hornady A-Max bullet
CCI BR2 primer
2.835" COAL (.010" off the lands)
~2619 FPS 20" Brux 1:8 barrel
SD 4, ES 9

1xfired Hornady brass from factory match ammo.

Neck sized with a Lee Collet Die

Phoenix Custom Rifles barreled FN SPR

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07/01/2015 Last edited 07/02/2015 by CSARFE

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
07/02/2015

42.5gr H4350 (dispensed with RCBS ChargeMaster and then trickled up on RCBS 5-0-5)
Hornady 140 Amax
CCI BR-2
New Hornady Brass (flash hole deburred and primer pocket uniformed using K&M tools)
2.81 COAL
2830 fps out of a 26" CBI barrel (chrono'd on a MagnetoSpeed V3)

8 fps SD so I'm good with that

******
Confirmed DOPE out to 800. Variable winds up to 9 mph (absolutely gorgeous TX day)

85 deg
DA 2000'
1035'
30.01 in Hg

200 - .4
300 - 1.0
400 - 1.8
500 - 2.5
600 - 3.5
700 - 4.5
800 - 5.6

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07/07/2015

3 shots. 42.4 H4350. 140 hybrid at 2.200 to ogive. Gap Crusader

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I recently got a rifle in 6.5 creedmoor. I bought 4 boxes of Hornday factory ammo so I could shoot the rifle. I now have brass, powder and bullets to start loading with. I am going to start with 41.5 grn H4350 and I am going to use both 140 grn Hornday AMAX and 140 grn Berger Hybrids bullets. Just something to start with. I have looked over all your post and have found some good data. Thanks.

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07/13/2015 Last edited 07/20/2015 by bornhunter04

Tried out some of the 130 hybrids this weekend.

42.8 and 43.0 of H4350 @ 2.200 to Ogive is the node for me.

Was getting some pressure signs @ 43.0

42.8gr @ 2.200 CBTO gives me 2804 average with SD 8 from my 22" barrel.

Shot this load in a match this past weekend. Seemed to shoot pretty good at distance verified drop to 1k.

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07/19/2015

Some data. No pressure signs (as you can see I do not really push it). Pretty consistent 75 degree shooting days in the Bay Area. Blue figures are best groups (4 rounds). 140gr bests were one hole.

6.5 Creedmoor JPMR10 1:8 22" New Hornady Brass	Notation:	G1	G2	G3	G4	G5	G6	G7
H4350		Max Charge	Start Factor	4 Rds	4 Rds	4 Rds	4 Rds	4 Rds	4 Rds	4 Rds	Total Rds
2	140gr Berger Match Target Hybrids	43.0	40.0	40.6	41.0	41.4	41.8	42.2	42.6	43.0	34	0.020	2.241
	MV			2695/4.4	2712/3.0	2746/13.0	2772/5.0	2789/10.1	2815/10.2	2829/7.9
3	140gr SMK HPBT match	43.0	40.0	40.6	41.0	41.4	41.8	42.2	42.6	43.0	34	0.015	2.231
	MV			2707/7.8	2733/8.1	2753/6.1	2785/8.4	2794/1.4	2827/8.1	2851/13.4
6	136gr Scenar-L Jacketed HPBT	42.0	37.6	38.4	39.0	39.5	40.1	40.7	41.3	42.0	31	0.015	2.230
	MV			2521/5.6	2570/13.0	2617/16.5	2647/20.2	2716/4.5	2744/10.3	2778/9.7
9	123gr SMK HPBT match	44.8	40.1	40.9	41.6	42.2	42.8	43.5	44.1	44.8	37	0.020	2.230
	MV			2683/11.3	2747/37.2	2773/13	2826/16.3	2866/8.0	2905/15.9	2963/8.8

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07/25/2015
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TAG... for later.. future gun build in the works

I took all the loads given with pertinent info and organized this list

Hope this helps someone else...

POWDER	CHG	BULLET	FPS	PRIMER	BARREL INFO	ADTNL INFO
H100V	42.5	140 VLD	2870	GM210M	26" BARTLEIN
H100V	40.5	140 HYBRID	2675	WLR	22" ROCK CREEK
H100V	41.5	140 HYBRID	2750	WLR	22" ROCK CREEK	LOOSE PRIMERS

H4350	42.6	142 SMK	2800	?	24" BARTLEIN	1:8 TW
H4350	43	140 VLD	2820	GM210M	26" BARTLEIN
H4350	42.6	140 VLD	2815	GM210M	27" BARTLEIN
H4350	42.6	140 VLD	2817	GM210M		SD: 4.0
H4350	42.4	140 VLD	2795	?
H4350	43.1	140 HYBRID	2840
H4350	42.9	140 HYBRID	2834	GM210M		SD: 10.3
H4350	42.8	140 HYBRID	2828	GM LR	26" BARTLEIN	1:8.5 TW
H4350	42.7	140 HYBRID	2830	GM210M	?
H4350	42.5	140 HYBRID	2819		24" BARTLEIN	SD: 4
H4350	42.3	140 HYBRID	2761	GM210M		SD: 4.5
H4350	44.1	140 AMAX	2770	CCI 200	20" ROCK CREEK
H4350	42.6	140 AMAX	2810	WLR	26" BARTLEIN	1:8.5 TW
H4350	42.5	140 AMAX	2830	CCI BR2	26"	SD: 8
H4350	42.3	140 AMAX	2705	WLR	26" BARTLEIN	1:8 TW
H4350	42.3	140 AMAX	2619	CCI BR2	20" BRUX	SD: 4
H4350	42	140 AMAX	2715	GM210M	22"
H4350	42	140 AMAX	2850	CCI 200	26" BROUGHTON
H4350	41.5	140 AMAX	2660	GM210M	24" CRITERION	AR PLATFORM
H4350	41.4	140 AMAX	2720	GM210M	23" BARTLEIN
H4350	43.3	139 SCENAR	2830	CCI BR2	26" BRUX	1:8 TW
H4350	42.4	139 SCENAR	2785	GM210M	24" BARTLEIN
H4350	42	139 SCENAR	2765	GM210M	26" BARTLEIN
H4350	41.5	139 SCENAR	2820	CCI 200	26" BARTLEIN	1:8 TW
H4350	43.1	136 SCENAR	2820	?	?
H4350	41.1	136 SCENAR	2610	CCI BR2	21" BARTLEIN
H4350	43.8	130 VLD	2928
H4350	43.1	130 VLD	2884	?	?
H4350	42.4	130 VLD	2747	?	22" BARTLEIN
H4350	42.8	130 HYBRID	2804		22"
H4350	44.1	123 SCENAR	2925	CCI BR2	22" KREIGER

IMR 4350	42.5	140 VLD	?	GM210M	?

IMR 4451	42.5	130 VLD	2798			SD: 22
IMR 4451	42	130 VLD	2725			SD: 11
IMR 4451	41.5	130 VLD	2708			SD: 10

REL 17	42	140 VLD	2872	GM210M	26" BARTLEIN
REL 17	42.1	140 HYBRID	2900	CCI BR2	26" BARTLEIN
REL 17	43	130 VLD	2929	?	22"

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07/27/2015

Savage 11 Trophy Predator Hunter (22" 1:8), velocities via Magnetospeed V2

140gr Hornady HPBT
Hornady Brass
CCI-200
2.81" COAL

41.5gr H4350: 2692fps
42.2gr H4350: 2753fps
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07/31/2015 Last edited 07/31/2015 by mark5pt56

300 yards, 44.5 H4350/120 AMAX. 210M primer 2.820 OAL. 3 rd firing from factory, process on standard RCBS dies. 2918 avg via Magnetospeed, 22" Bartlein 6.5CM

Second pic is factory 120.

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07/31/2015

Gap Crusader. Hornady brass. Fgm210m.
123 grain AMAX at 2.204 to ogive (2.780) 41.8 varget
26" Krieger 1:8 mtu
5 shots with sd of 4 and average of 3,040 fps.
.28 moa at 100 yards
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08/04/2015

Remington 700 "Rem-Age" Criterion 26" 1:8 varmint contour

140gr Hornady HPBT
42.5gr H4350
Hornady Brass
CCI-200
2.81" COAL

2823fps, SD 9 via Magnetospeed V2

2857fps from Hornady 140gr Amax Match factory ammo
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/06/2015

Anyone shooting 130gr Barnes TSX's?

Looking for a hunting load using either 4350 or RL-17.

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08/07/2015

Nice work San! ANy way that can get moved to the front page and stickied there?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/13/2015 Last edited 09/11/2015 by Brosome

Berger 140gr Hybrid loaded .2 off Jam.

H414 - 42gr

Hornady Brass

Federal GM210M primer

Barrel 26" Hawk Hill marksman contour

Average velocity: 2760fps

Newer to reloading and decided to try some H414 when I found a deal on it and couldn't find any H4350. Probably should have done some more research other than finding out its just a ball powder version of the 4350. Some notes on the load I've noticed: its somewhat dirty, not awful or unbearable, but a bit more soot on the case necks and in the barrel. Accuracy was good, .5 from a 10 shot group at 100y off a bipod and concrete bench. SD was 20, obviously not the greatest but Im going to chalk some of that up to being newer to reloading and having some looser neck tensions from bullets I had to tap out a bit and seat to the right length, a little better loading on my part im sure would drop that down a lot.

Edit: SD 10

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08/18/2015 Last edited 08/18/2015 by Aimsmall55

GAP CRUSADER. 26"'Krieger MTU 1:8.
140 vld at 2.190 to ogive. 42.4 H4350. Fgm210m
2795 fps average.

6 shots at 102 yards .20 moa
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08/20/2015

My powder is shipping from powder valley tomorrow. I should have some loads worked up in about 2 weeks.
Thank you all for this great info source

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08/21/2015

Ok so I went back and measured my throat. It's eroded just a little. Not hardly at all.
So I decided to take some 1x brass, use a redding type S FL die with a .289 bushing and bumped the shoulder back 2 1/2/1000"s.
The load : 42.5 H4350 , 140 hunting vld at 2.210 to ogive. 1x brass fl sized.
The results....

I do believe this is the best group I've shot to date with this new bbl. .13 moa!
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08/22/2015

That's a serious tight group.
Congrats. Looks like you found a great load.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/22/2015

Aimsmall

+1 to above comment-truly good shooting, and load workup. Gotta say, you've set the bar pretty high and have given me proper motivation to continuously improve my skills set, both behind the rifle-semi or bolt, and at the load bench. Nice work, sir.

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08/22/2015

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Aimsmall

+1 to above comment-truly good shooting, and load workup. Gotta say, you've set the bar pretty high and have given me proper motivation to continuously improve my skills set, both behind the rifle-semi or bolt, and at the load bench. Nice work, sir.

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I appreciate it. It's been a process. I figured that since GAP used the same reamer, I would have no problem getting (with the exact same loads) the results of my last bbl, a Bartlein , at 27" 1:8.5 that had a slightly smaller contour.
This new bbl is 26" Krieger MTU 1:8 and is definitely heavier than my previous bbl. Plus GAP had to put in a barrel pad because of the dimensions of the MTU.
I started playing with OAL and realized this particular setup likes the bullets MUCH closer to the lands. I was jumping them 90-1000"s with my old bbl. Now I'm only .20 off.
Hell, I had just began to come to grips that this was just NOT going to shoot as good as the last bbl.
I guess it just goes to show you never know until you keep playing with it.

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08/22/2015

Curiously, what optic have you settled on for your particular needs?

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08/22/2015

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Curiously, what optic have you settled on for your particular needs?

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I've had a NF NXS 5.5x22x56 mildot. A Bushnell XRS and ERS. I decided to go with the ERS not just because of the FFP, but also that it's 3.5x21 is all I really need out to 1400 yards or so.

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08/23/2015

Has anyone run 130 bergers with Varget at all?

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In an attempt to figure out what rifle I am using this year for Montana mule, I decided to shoot some 140 A-Max for the first time in this barrel using the same load that works well with 139 scenars, 42.7 grains of H4350. And I figured that with a longer bearing surface it might be good to drop it back a couple tenths (42.5) just in case the increased length raised the pressure and put me out of the 139 node. I seated the bullets -.029" back from a hard seat in the lands.

At the range, I hooked up the magnetospeed (my new way of running a OCW test) and fired the four rounds of 42.5... 2796fps SD=1 ES=3, I kind of kick my self when I show that as those were the only 4 I had bought.

Moving on to 42.7 I had 2810fps SD=3 ES=8...

So with my remaining rounds of 42.7 I detached the magnetospeed and put a couple rounds down range at 3, 4 and 6 hundred to see if Ballistic AE was tracking with the new data and was rewarded with near center hits. Looked at my predicted drop for 1k and dialed that in to the scope and started shooting while holding about half a mil.

While watching the impacts I could tell today was going to be a good day and then promptly threw the next shot a touch high. LOL so I sent an extra one just for good measure.

After shooting another rifle I came back to shoot the smaller steel target on the right with the creedmoor and finished off the remaining 4 rounds.

Minus the high impact the left target has 2.5" of vertical and the 4 on the right target has 2.25" of vertical.

Not a bad day.
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In an attempt to figure out what rifle I am using this year for Montana mule, I decided to shoot some 140 A-Max for the first time in this barrel using the same load that works well with 139 scenars, 42.7 grains of H4350. And I figured that with a longer bearing surface it might be good to drop it back a couple tenths (42.5) just in case the increased length raised the pressure and put me out of the 139 node. I seated the bullets -.029" back from a hard seat in the lands.

At the range, I hooked up the magnetospeed (my new way of running a OCW test) and fired the four rounds of 42.5... 2796fps SD=1 ES=3, I kind of kick my self when I show that as those were the only 4 I had bought.

Moving on to 42.7 I had 2810fps SD=3 ES=8...

So with my remaining rounds of 42.7 I detached the magnetospeed and put a couple rounds down range at 3, 4 and 6 hundred to see if Ballistic AE was tracking with the new data and was rewarded with near center hits. Looked at my predicted drop for 1k and dialed that in to the scope and started shooting while holding about half a mil.

While watching the impacts I could tell today was going to be a good day and then promptly threw the next shot a touch high. LOL so I sent an extra one just for good measure.

After shooting another rifle I came back to shoot the smaller steel target on the right with the creedmoor and finished off the remaining 4 rounds.

Minus the high impact the left target has 2.5" of vertical and the 4 on the right target has 2.25" of vertical.

Not a bad day.

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08/26/2015 Last edited 08/26/2015 by rduckwor

"42.5... 2796fps SD=1 ES=3,

Moving on to 42.7 I had 2810fps SD=3 ES=8... "

Damnnation! I don't know what you are doing to your brass and loading procedure, but I want some of it!!!

Those are superb numbers!

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08/27/2015 Last edited 08/27/2015 by nilescoyote

rduckwor wrote: "42.5... 2796fps SD=1 ES=3,

Moving on to 42.7 I had 2810fps SD=3 ES=8... "

Damnnation! I don't know what you are doing to your brass and loading procedure, but I want some of it!!!

Those are superb numbers!

RMD

I had to look at it twice while I was recording itl. Just remember this was only for four rounds each... As good as 42.7 shot at 1k I am tempted to leave it alone and just keep loading that, but numbers on 43.5 have me second guessing. Might load up 10 of each and see what I see.

My process is simple. On this batch of brass I had just annealed them. Resized leaving about .0035 neck tension, threw them in my vibrating tumbler for a couple hours, clean the primer pockets out afterward and primed, charged and seated the night before.

One change over how I have loaded 139 scenars in the past (which has good numbers also just not quite single digit ES) is I seated the bullets -.029 deep rather than .020-.025
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08/30/2015

spoon063 wrote:
Has anyone run 130 bergers with Varget at all?

I have some and just set up the first ocw run with H4350. I think I will try some Varget when time allows. Keep you posted.

RMD

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08/30/2015

nilescoyote wrote:

rduckwor wrote: "42.5... 2796fps SD=1 ES=3,

Moving on to 42.7 I had 2810fps SD=3 ES=8... "

Damnnation! I don't know what you are doing to your brass and loading procedure, but I want some of it!!!

Those are superb numbers!

RMD

I had to look at it twice while I was recording itl. Just remember this was only for four rounds each... As good as 42.7 shot at 1k I am tempted to leave it alone and just keep loading that, but numbers on 43.5 have me second guessing. Might load up 10 of each and see what I see.

My process is simple. On this batch of brass I had just annealed them. Resized leaving about .0035 neck tension, threw them in my vibrating tumbler for a couple hours, clean the primer pockets out afterward and primed, charged and seated the night before.

One change over how I have loaded 139 scenars in the past (which has good numbers also just not quite single digit ES) is I seated the bullets -.029 deep rather than .020-.025

I just loaded up two OCW runs with the 140 AMAX and the 130 Berger Hybrid. I will see what the numbers look like and then try your method of seating the AMAX a bit longer.

Thanks and great loading/shooting.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/31/2015

Hey guys, finally getting my gear to reload. First time dealing with the Hybrids but what do they typically like .020 jump?

Since I'm reloading for matches the velocity is what it is after doing a OCW test. No way to increase velocity with out getting off the node, correct?

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09/02/2015

thisguy65 wrote:
Hey guys, finally getting my gear to reload. First time dealing with the Hybrids but what do they typically like .020 jump?

Since I'm reloading for matches the velocity is what it is after doing a OCW test. No way to increase velocity with out getting off the node, correct?

Mine liked the .02 jumps the best for the 140 hybrids. As far as velocity you're right you're going to want to find a nod in the velocity you're looking for.

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09/02/2015

Finally got 5 lbs of H4350 and was able to work up a load without the RL 17. Had a real nice group going until I pulled that one bottom left out a bit but still very happy with it. Now to test for Velocity change over temp.

42.5gr H4350

140gr Berg Hyb

.006 jump to lands- CBTO 2.174

CCI BR2 primers

2805 fps (magnetospeed) 26in Bartlien- SD 9, ED 23

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/06/2015 Last edited 09/08/2015 by davidwalter59

Has anyone tried Ramshot big Game? Manual says 123 AMAX over 43 grains. I think the burn rate is the same as IMR 4350.

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NGCSUGrad09 wrote:

136gr Scenar-L

41.1 gr H4350

CCI BR2

Hornady brass

2.75" COAL

2610fps out of a 21" Bartlein

Shoots less than a quarter minute at 100, sub half MOA at 800 and sub MOA at 1300yds.

I was lucky and stumbled across a similar load.

Bartlein barrel 1:8 Twist 23"
41.1 grains H4350
130gr VLD Hunting
Hornady brass
Federal 210M primer
.020 off the lands

It's stupid accurate. .3MOA @100 and same results at 500.

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09/17/2015

What length are you all trimming the brass to?
Books say 1.910". Is that what you're using?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/21/2015

Was looking at all my good .25 moa loads from my old 27" Bartlein and my new loads for my 26" 1:8 MTU Bartlein on a GAP CRUSADER

Hope this will help

Gap 6.5 creedmor loads
140 vld. 42.4 H4350, 2.140 to ogive. Fgm210m

140 hybrid at 2.125 to ogive 42.6 H4350, 42.5 r17

130 vld at 2.140 to ogive. 44.0 h4350 2930 fps.

139 scenar at 2.229 to ogive. 40.8 r17. 2780 fps at 10 ft. .22 MOA 7 shots.

140 amax. 42.7 r17. 2.800"
2910 fps.

42.7 r17. 140 hybrid at 2.125. 2920 fps.

****COLD WEATHER****
43.1 H4350. 140 hybrid at 2.155 to ogive. 2800 fps.

New BBL 4/24/15
140 vld. 2.136 to ogive. 42.4 H4350 , fgm210 m. 2790 fps.
(Now shoots at 2815 fps after 125 rounds )
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09/24/2015

avboiler11 wrote: Remington 700 "Rem-Age" Criterion 26" 1:8 varmint contour

140gr Hornady HPBT
42.5gr H4350
Hornady Brass
CCI-200
2.81" COAL

2823fps, SD 9 via Magnetospeed V2

2857fps from Hornady 140gr Amax Match factory ammo

With this barrel cut back to 18"...

140gr Hornady HPBT
42.5gr H4350
Hornady Brass
CCI-200
2.81" COAL
2640fps

123gr Amax
40.7gr Varget
Hornady Brass
CCI-200
2.81" COAL
2810fps

Hornady 140gr Amax Match factory ammo
2662fps
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/29/2015 Last edited 10/01/2015 by Hazzapatrol

42.3 gr H4350
Berger 140 Hybrid Target
GM210M Primer
2.223 base to ogive
~2737 FPS out of a 23" Bartlein 5r, 1:8 twist
10 shots over a magnetospeed gave an SD of 3 and consistently under 9 over multiple sessions

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/05/2015

I see that some (most) you shoot bartlein barrels for the 6.5 creedmoor. I have a lulja barrel on a Remington short action. Do you find that you have to let the barrel warm up a bit before the rifle starts to perform well? I find that I need to shoot 5 to 10 rounds before the rifle settles in and gives good groups ie. quarter minute. I don't have this problem with the other rifles I own and it kind of tweaks me; mostly when shooting out past 800 yards. Also, whats your case life like? Because I see that some shooter's loads are 2-3 grains more than what most reloading books recommend. I'm still loading cases that have been shot 10 times or more. I'm loading 40+ grains of H-4350 with a 140 A-Max, out a 26" barrel. It's cronograghing at 2,625. I'll take less case life if I can add more velocity without the loss of accuracy. Maybe it's time to ditch my barrel for a different one? Please excuse my ignorance if you have already covered this subject before. This is my first post so I'm a cherry at this. "blush"

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/07/2015

Are you cleaning your barrel after everytime you shoot it? If you are that would make sense, your first several shots are fouling the barrel then once it reaches a level of fouling it likes the groups tighten up. As far as velocity, run another load development with those amax's maybe starting where you're at now and working up slow watching for pressure signs you should find another node around the ~42gr+ area.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/12/2015 Last edited 03/07/2016 by jhayesvw

I guess I never put my data up.

I'm using 142 SMKs
I've found 41.5 and 42 grains H4350 to produce .5 MOA groups out of my Ruger PR. Which is likely the best it'll get.
They chrono 2675 at 10' with a CED M2 chrono.
Now 41.5 chronos 2730 fps out of the 24" RPR barrel.

I'm taking them to 1000 yards in a couple weeks.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/23/2015

For those loading with 142 SMK's how far are you guys jumping them? I can get good groups .02" off with Varget, but they're around 2625 if I remember correctly. Went .015" off with H4350 but can't really find anything worth duplicating. I've always found it pretty easy to find a good load until I ordered 800 142 SMK's ?. It seems like the faster I shoot them the more they open up
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/01/2015

JRHill85 wrote: For those loading with 142 SMK's how far are you guys jumping them? I can get good groups .02" off with Varget, but they're around 2625 if I remember correctly. Went .015" off with H4350 but can't really find anything worth duplicating. I've always found it pretty easy to find a good load until I ordered 800 142 SMK's ?. It seems like the faster I shoot them the more they open up

I jump my 142 SMKs .010" with great results in my .260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor. I jump 168 gr SMKs .010" in my .308 too.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/03/2015

130 Berger Hybrids

42.8gr H4350

2.20 to ogive

2804 from 22" barrel

Shot out to 1570

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11/08/2015
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/09/2015 Last edited 11/24/2015 by Brosome

26" Hawk Hill Marksmen Contour Barrel

140gr Hybrid - .02 off lands

42.3gr H4350

210m

2771 adv FPS (magnetospeed)

SD-7.4 / ES 20 over 20 shots

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/15/2015

24" Ruger Precision rifle. Factory barrel.

42.5gr H4350

140gr Hornady A-max

Winchester Large Rifle Primer

Hornady Brass

2701 FPS

SD - 9

COAL 2.854

OGIVE 2.430

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/15/2015

Looking for similar loads based on these things. Hawk Hill Marksmen barrel, 4350 powder, cci primers and hornady brass, and 140 Amax bullets. Looking for loads that have worked well in this barrel combination of components listed and OAL length they were blinded together at for COL.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/17/2015

I have a custom built 6.5 CM on a Rem action with a Krieger 22" Rem Varmint contour in a Manners EH 5 with chassis and magazine. I've got a NF 5-25x56 on top and I've really only shot factory loads in less than 1/2" moa. I do hand load but just got my dies for the 6.5. Does it matter a whole lot if I only have CCI BR2 and CCI 200 primers? I have Fed GM 215 and CCI Magnum primers for other calibers I load. I think I'm good on powders H4350, H4831sc, 8208xbr, Varget, Superformance, IMR4350-4831-3031, RL15. Question is I see most people using Fed GM210 but will the BR2 and 200 primers be fine?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/17/2015

Oh I forgot to mention the bullets I have are Barnes 100gr TTSX, Scirroco II 130, 140 Amax, 140 Berger Vld hunting, 140 Vld Hybrid Target, 140 Nos BT, 142 SMK. So really no shortage of bullets or powders. Only primers.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/17/2015

Have used BR2, 210/210M with almost equal success, but on a steady diet of BR2's with shortage of 210M in San Antonio area. Any of the 140's and a starting load of 41.0 H4350 should get you going. Personally good results in 3 AR's and one bolt gun with Amax and 41.5 H4350. Easy on brass and runs between 2650 and 2800, from barrels between 21-26".

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/20/2015

Ill add mine because not many people seem to shoot Varget in 6.5creedmoor.

22" JP barrel, gas gun.

123g AMAX

39.8g Varget(node from 39.7-39.9)

CCI 200

Hornady brass neck sized to .288

5 shots

Avg 2877

SD 7.2

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/24/2015

For me to touch the lands in my 6.5CM using 130 VLDs, I have to seat them to 2.885 COAL.

Does seem normal? It sure seems long to me.

Just checking.

Thanks,

CJ97

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/26/2015

Rifle: AIAT

Barrel: MHS (Dave Tooley)

140 gr A-MAX

42.4gn H4350

OAL 2.800

shot one ragged hole by an old fat blind guy who had never shot that well.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
12/07/2015

41.8 grain of H4350 under a 139 Lapua Scenar loaded to .025" jump. Accuracy in the .3-.4 range out of a 26" barrel. SD under 10.

My velocity is around 2730, which is on the slow side. Do you guys think it's worth pursuing a higher node?
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
12/07/2015

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41.8 grain of H4350 under a 139 Lapua Scenar loaded to .025" jump. Accuracy in the .3-.4 range out of a 26" barrel. SD under 10.

My velocity is around 2730, which is on the slow side. Do you guys think it's worth pursuing a higher node?

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42.4 h4350 is a pretty common node that should get you up to 2790 fps. I've personally never shot any H4350 under 42.2 grains. But I've gone WAY above that. And 42.4 to 42.6 usually is IT
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
12/07/2015

Just for jollies, has anyone here tinkered with pointing the 130 hybrids and seeing what the improved BC is? I know in the 6.5saum (yes, I know, different animal) the 130 vld jumps up to a BC of 0.600. Curious to see if anyone has been bored enough to stroll down that rabbit hole. If it will get within sniffing distance of the 140 hybrid BC, and I can run it faster, it might be worth it for giggles.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
12/17/2015 Last edited 12/17/2015 by 1MoreAR

Accurate Ordnance build 6.5 CM with Rock Creek barrel at 24"

Berger 140 Gr. Hybrid seated .03 off land at 2.202" at ogive.

H4350 42.3 gr is the load for this rifle.

COAL 2.880 , I know it's long but it fit inside the magazine.

I did not chrono it yet, but should be right around 2,720-2,750 fps.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/01/2016

39.3 gr Varget under 120 gr Amax, 2900 fps 24" Criterion AR barrel

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/02/2016

Since you have 24" Criterion and Varget, try some 108 Lapua's or 107 Sierra's-if you have them laying around-under 39.7 Varget. Great load in 4 Creedmoors, light recoil, easy on brass, starts moving around in the wind at 500, but still very accurate at distance. Runs around 2975-3025, depending on barrel length.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/03/2016 Last edited 01/03/2016 by jmk654

Anyone loaded the new ELD or ELD-X yet? Getting ready to reload doe first time and debating if the X is worth the extra money? I will be using H4350, BR-2 and Norma/Prime brass. What is a good starting load to start my ladder test at?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/13/2016

130gr Hybrids
43.7gr H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady Brass
2.8" OAL

Running 2840fps out of a 22" Hawk Hill. Shot out to 1200yds so far and are spot on with minimal elevation dispersion.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/17/2016 Last edited 01/17/2016 by Jake65mm

I just tried some out today in my 6.5 creedmore, 41.5 and 42 grains of h4350 Br-2 primers 2.850 oal shot in the 1's and low 2's. I will get velocity numbers later.

on a side note the factory 140 eld ammo wouldn't group very well at .5-.75 moa in my gun.

jmk654 wrote:
Anyone loaded the new ELD or ELD-X yet? Getting ready to reload doe first time and debating if the X is worth the extra money? I will be using H4350, BR-2 and Norma/Prime brass. What is a good starting load to start my ladder test at?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/21/2016

> cavjock97 wrote:> For me to touch the lands in my 6.5CM using 130 VLDs, I have to seat them to 2.885 COAL.

Does seem normal? It sure seems long to me.

Just checking.

Thanks,

CJ97

Mine is 2.890

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01/22/2016

> craigos wrote:**> > cavjock97 wrote:**> > For me to touch the lands in my 6.5CM using 130 VLDs, I have to seat them to 2.885 COAL.

Does seem normal? It sure seems long to me.

Just checking.

Thanks,

CJ97

Mine is 2.890

Thanks for the data point. This load has been shooting really well, so I'll just leave it alone.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/22/2016 Last edited 01/23/2016 by renomd

Accuracy International AX308 2015

Graduous 6.5 CM barrel 26 inch, 1:8 twist (OTM tactical)

Hornady Brass, primer pocket uniformed, trimmed 1.916, stainless steel tumbled. Whidden FLS Bushing die, then expanded with expander mandrel die.

Primer: FG210M
Chronograph: prochrono for load development then magneto speed to confirm

Jam OGIVE lengths using a Hornady OAL gauge and bullet comparator inserts: L-scenar 139 gr 2.284, B-hybrid 140 gr 2.259, B-hybrid 130 gr 2.257.

Lapua Scenar 139 gr, 2.254 OGIVE, H4350 41.9 @ 2815 FPS (on average)

Berger Hybrid 140gr, 2.254 OGIVE (coincidence), H4350 42.6 @ 2805 FPS (below two targets are all 5 round groups....as you can see it's not a coincidence that these shoot 1/4-3/8 MOA). Seated 0.005 off the lands.

Berger 130 AR Hybrid, 2.242 OGIVE, H4350 43.5 gr @ 2899 FPS (mine as well say 2900) Below is the OCW test the 43.5 gr is the 5 round one hole target. It's not quite in the middle of the node where it's flat; but, it's between the lowest and highest so to me it's middle. It's loaded 0.015 off the lands... going with it.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/23/2016
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My 6.5 Creedmoor will be finished soon - Surgeon 591 action, Barlein barrel, MPA chassis, and Vortex Gen II Razor. I have 200 Hornady 143 ELD-X and 200 Berger 140 Hybrid bullets. What do y'all recommend for dies? I've never loaded for 6.5. Thanks in advance for your advice. From the Big Empty, ELN.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/30/2016 Last edited 01/30/2016 by craigos

I found my node for the 130 berger target @ Ogive 2.202, Br2 primers, H brass between 43.2 and 43.6 (I loaded up every 0.2 gr) but even across my 8 loads (42.6 to 43.8) it was very flat. Am shooting 24" bartlein on my new custom GAP bolt gun based on a tempest.

So going to investigate more between 43.3 to 43.5 in .1 increments ... and then play with bullet seating. Got some 130 berger Ar hybrids coming ....

> renomd wrote:> Accuracy International AX308 2015

Graduous 6.5 CM barrel 26 inch, 1:8 twist (OTM tactical)

Hornady Brass, primer pocket uniformed, trimmed 1.916, stainless steel tumbled. Whidden FLS Bushing die, then expanded with expander mandrel die.

Primer: FG210M
Chronograph: prochrono for load development then magneto speed to confirm

Jam OGIVE lengths using a Hornady OAL gauge and bullet comparator inserts: L-scenar 139 gr 2.284, B-hybrid 140 gr 2.259, B-hybrid 130 gr 2.257.

Lapua Scenar 139 gr, 2.254 OGIVE, H4350 41.9 @ 2815 FPS (on average)

Berger Hybrid 140gr, 2.254 OGIVE (coincidence), H4350 42.6 @ 2805 FPS (below two targets are all 5 round groups....as you can see it's not a coincidence that these shoot 1/4-3/8 MOA). Seated 0.005 off the lands.

Berger 130 AR Hybrid, 2.242 OGIVE, H4350 43.5 gr @ 2899 FPS (mine as well say 2900) Below is the OCW test the 43.5 gr is the 5 round one hole target. It's not quite in the middle of the node where it's flat; but, it's between the lowest and highest so to me it's middle. It's loaded 0.015 off the lands... going with it.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/04/2016

Just finished testing the new led match loaded from 42.0, 42.2, 42.4, 42.5 42.6, 42.8 4350

The 42.0 and 42.5 shot the best, about 5/8th each.

Loaded all 20 off the lands.

This same rifle shoots my Berger load 20 off with the 42.5 at 3/8th inch so I am going to go with the 42.5 and play with the al a bit to see how much I can tighten the load up.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/06/2016

Taking a friend out shooting next week and he bought a ruger precision rifle in 6.5CM. Any one with some good loads for the Ruger barrel and the LRI barrel (A Max setup) using a 140 ELD?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/09/2016

I found my max OAL using the Hornady tool to be 2.241" to ogive using Berger 140 hybrids.

Started load workup at 2.22" to ogive with 40gr of H4350, going up in .5gr increments to 41.5.

Does this sound right? This is my first time loading precision rounds and I want to get it right.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
02/20/2016

6.5 Gap Crusader. 26" 1:8 Krieger. 140 hybrid with 42.6 H4350 at 2.176 to ogive with 1x Hornady brass. Fl resized with a Redding Type S and a .289" bushing. Shoulder set back 3 thousandths.

4 shots at 104 yards.

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02/23/2016
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I was at my locals Cabela's with a coupon (dangerous thing) a few weeks ago and found they had some of each so I brought them home for testing.

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Left to right:
130 Berger AR Hybrid, 140 Hornady A-Max, 140 Hornady ELD, 143 Hornady ELD-X, 140 Berger Hybrid and 139 Lapua Scenar.

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02/27/2016
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Bought a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor last fall. Shot a superb 10 shot group with 140 SMK's the first time out and have been trying to reproduce it ever since. Finally hit the magic combo today.

139 Scenar

42.0gr H4350 produces 2820fps with consistent velocities

.025" off the lands.

The load looks more like a shotgun pattern at 42.5gr

Ten fit easily under a dime at 42.0gr

May drop to 41.8 or so in the future as ambient was around 60 degree F

Try this if you are having the same experience....what a relief to fine THE load.

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02/29/2016

I just bought a 6.5 Howa Gameking and I am going to start reloading. This is super helpful! Just wondering, measuring to ogive vs COAL, is there a huge difference(I know there is some depending on the meplat) if I use the same grain, brand and model bullet?

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02/29/2016
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kjeff wrote:

I just bought a 6.5 Howa Gameking and I am going to start reloading. This is super helpful! Just wondering, measuring to ogive vs COAL, is there a huge difference(I know there is some depending on the meplat) if I use the same grain, brand and model bullet?

Always load to the ogive. Your COAL will fluctuate here and there do to the difference in bullet lots.

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02/29/2016

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04/01/2016

Anybody tried the newer IMR enduron technology 4166 with green laeble yet?

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04/02/2016

Try the 4451. It's more around the H4350 burn rate. After reading reports I got 16 pounds coming in.
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04/02/2016

Rob01 wrote: Try the 4451. It's more around the H4350 burn rate. After reading reports I got 16 pounds coming in.
Thanks Rob
I'll see if I can get my hands on it
Nice to hear from you again ?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/06/2016

DarksideSix wrote:

kjeff wrote:

I just bought a 6.5 Howa Gameking and I am going to start reloading. This is super helpful! Just wondering, measuring to ogive vs COAL, is there a huge difference(I know there is some depending on the meplat) if I use the same grain, brand and model bullet?

Always load to the ogive. Your COAL will fluctuate here and there do to the difference in bullet lots.

What he said!

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04/06/2016

jhayesvw wrote:
Is the new Enduron IMR 4451 the same burn rate as the old 4451?

Not sure about compared to the old one but the new 4451 is right with H4350.

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04/06/2016

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Try the 4451. It's more around the H4350 burn rate. After reading reports I got 16 pounds coming in.

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Ive gotten the exact same results across summer and winter temp ranges using 4451 in place of H4350. I use roughly 1 grain more powder to achieve the same velocity across the board of temps. I was trying to keep a lid on it so it doesn't get sold out everywhere but it's an amazing powder for the 6.5 Creed, in my experience. Multiple 1/4 MOA groups at 100 and lots of consistent impacts out to 1k.
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04/09/2016

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--- Rob01 wrote:

Try the 4451. It's more around the H4350 burn rate. After reading reports I got 16 pounds coming in.

Ive gotten the exact same results across summer and winter temp ranges using 4451 in place of H4350. I use roughly 1 grain more powder to achieve the same velocity across the board of temps. I was trying to keep a lid on it so it doesn't get sold out everywhere but it's an amazing powder for the 6.5 Creed, in my experience. Multiple 1/4 MOA groups at 100 and lots of consistent impacts out to 1k.

Using IMR 4451 and 18 degrees vs 75 degrees I saw a shift of 8 FPS so I'm willing to say it is pretty temp stable.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
04/10/2016

Aimsmall55 wrote: 6.5 Gap Crusader. 26" 1:8 Krieger. 140 hybrid with 42.6 H4350 at 2.176 to ogive with 1x Hornady brass. Fl resized with a Redding Type S and a .289" bushing. Shoulder set back 3 thousandths.

4 shots at 104 yards.

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Tried both the H4350 and IMR 4451. The 4451 blew H4350 away today. Less vertical dispersion, less fouling, less cat pee smell.

Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor 24" (factory)
Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor Brass (Fired 1x, trimmed 1.917) (full length Forster BR die)
Winchester LR primers (seated on forster coax primer seater)
40.8gr IMR 4451
Hornady ELD-M 140gr bullet
COAL: 2.819 (using forster ultra micrometer seater die)
5-shot group: .29"

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Flyboy22x wrote:

Aimsmall55 wrote: 6.5 Gap Crusader. 26" 1:8 Krieger. 140 hybrid with 42.6 H4350 at 2.176 to ogive with 1x Hornady brass. Fl resized with a Redding Type S and a .289" bushing. Shoulder set back 3 thousandths.

4 shots at 104 yards.

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What app are you using here?

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04/14/2016

What's your MV?

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Flyboy22x wrote:

Aimsmall55 wrote: 6.5 Gap Crusader. 26" 1:8 Krieger. 140 hybrid with 42.6 H4350 at 2.176 to ogive with 1x Hornady brass. Fl resized with a Redding Type S and a .289" bushing. Shoulder set back 3 thousandths.

4 shots at 104 yards.

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You were scared to take that 5th shot, weren't you?

Lmao... EXACTLY ?

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04/17/2016

jeff1383 wrote:

What's your MV?

Jeff, it's about 2810 fps

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Thus far on my AXMC with 26" Bartlein barrel, I've gotten these ladder test results using H4350, BR2 Primers, Prime (Norma) brass, and Berger 130 AR Hybrids @ 300 yards:

I really haven't seen much in the way of pressure, even at 44.2 grains. I loaded up another ladder from 44.0 to 44.9 in .1 increments but haven't shot it yet... is that too hot?? My ladder test indicates maybe there is another node in the low 44's... it would be nice to have more data.

I only chrono'd 43.4gr at 2830 fps, which seems slow for a 26" barrel compared to many others on here. Is this possibly due to barrel break-in? My target velocity for 130 Hybrids is about 2900 fps, though now I'm nervous to push past 44 grains since nobody else seems to be going that high.

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04/25/2016

Test date: 04/25/16
Temp: 40 degrees F
Bartlein medium palma 26" barrel
Hornady brass - once fired
Fed 210M primers
Berger 140 hybrid bullet
42.4 grains H4350
10 shots over Magnetospeed V3
Avg velocity = 2826 fps
SD = 9.4
Max = 2841 fps
Min = 2817

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I shot this the other day. 140 ELD M at 2.217 to ogive. 210 m , Hornady brass , 42.6 H4350. 2805 fps average.
Only had 100 yards but something tells me it's going to be a winner. .09 moa

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04/28/2016

Hornady brass
Fed210match primer
130 berger hybrid
43.3 h4350
Seated .010 off
MV avg 2922
Shot out to 1200 yards nicely on a calm day.

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04/29/2016

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04/29/2016

jeff1383 wrote:
Hornady brass
Fed210match primer
130 berger hybrid
43.3 h4350
Seated .010 off
MV avg 2922
Shot out to 1200 yards nicely on a calm day.

I've been shooting this exact load except with BR2 primers and Prime brass. What kind of groups are you getting?

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Consistent 1/2 MOA with the occasional one holer. Really don't spend much time shooting inside 300 yards. Load has performed very well for me.

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jeff1383 wrote:
Consistent 1/2 MOA with the occasional one holer. Really don't spend much time shooting inside 300 yards. Load has performed very well for me.

I'm seeing about the same, though my velocity is about 50 fps slower (26" bbl). Not sure about why that is, unless Prime is a roomier brass case.

5 shot group at 800 came out to 6" even with the horizontal "flyer" that was probably my fault. Pretty happy with that so far.

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05/07/2016

Rob any report back on the new powder?

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140 ELD M @ 2.217 to ogive
Virgin Hornady brass
42.6 H4350
FGM210m

4 shots at 200 yards

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05/13/2016

Ruger Precision Rifle

140g Hornady HPBT
40.6 (2700fps 2.8 SD ) & 41.8 (2798fps 6.6 SD) - Reloader 17
Winchester Brass (annealed, FL resized)
CCI 200 Primers

Both loads cut a nice 3/8 hole @ 100 yards

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Ok Ladies and Gentleman.
New to reloading so I'm here to learn . Me and my friend have most of the components. Not sure what CCI primers he has but they are for Bolt and Precision Rifle.
I have RPR in 6.5cm with Chad Dixon 26" barrel
We have 200 of 140 ELD - M bullets. Powder is H4350.
I also have once fired Hornady brass in 6.5 cm.
So my questions are....
What is the load to start with?
How much do you increase the load to test next batch to find that magic/consistent load?
What are the other powder choices besides H4350 that is so hard to find ?
What primers are the best or consistent?
Anybody that has RPR with 26" barrel willing to share their 6.5cm load?

Dimensions for bullet seating.

I'm learning any and all help is truly welcome.

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05/16/2016 Last edited 05/16/2016 by lashlaroe
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First things first. Have you reloaded before? No, then please do yourself a favor and read all of the sticky posts in the Reloading forum. Then read the two threads on load development by GhengisAhn.

Then read pages 5-7 of this thread, every post. Bam! You have all the info to answer your questions.

I would start with 40g H4350 and step up 0.6 at a time to 43g and see what you get.

The previous posts all provide good info on IMR4350, H4451, and RL17 as viable replacements.

There was a thread on here a month or so ago that included a great discussion and actual testing done on the primer question. I believe that the take-away from that is that the Federal GMM were most consistent batch to batch, but there were others that worked nearly as well.

Bullet seating depth is a whole subject of its own, but it starts with you knowing where the lands are in your barrel.

Good luck and safe shooting.

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No, but my friend has . He has the whole set up since he reloads for himself.

I will check other treads on here.

Thank you Lash

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Knowledge is power. Or...knowledge of powder is power.

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05/22/2016 Last edited 05/22/2016 by mark5pt56

IMR4451/Berger 140 Hybrid

Fed GM210M

2x Hornady brass full length sized on standard RCBS dies and seated on same

Also, H4895 test with regular and reduced load data(only do this with H4895 if listed)

The 37.7 is over .1, no pressure.

24" AIAT

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/23/2016

jeff1383 wrote:
Hornady brass
Fed210match primer
130 berger hybrid
43.3 h4350
Seated .010 off
MV avg 2922
Shot out to 1200 yards nicely on a calm day.

Same except 43.5 (measured on a sartorius), ES 7 fps ... had 1 shot hits out to 1420 the other day and the Kestrel (custom curve) was spot on. Vel avg 2875 fps out a 24 bartlein with a ultra 7 6.5 on it.

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05/25/2016
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43.2 H4350

130 Hybrid -Pointed- BC .600

2.845 OAL

22.75" Bartlein with Crux Ark338 Can

Dead Nutz to 1,200 yards

CJ97

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
05/29/2016

cavjock97 wrote:

43.2 H4350

130 Hybrid -Pointed- BC .600

2.845 OAL

22.75" Bartlein with Crux Ark338 Can

Dead Nutz to 1,200 yards

CJ97

While totally awesome, realize that that SD is luck. Litz measured the Magnetospeed to have a SD in its MEASUREMENT of about 5 fps, meaning even a perfect load would average 5 fps over a significant number of rounds. Anything below 5 is luck.

That being said, can you teach me to reload? Can I have your voodoo powder? Which chants do you utter as you pour your powder? Do you account for variations in the Earth's gravitational field?

Well done.

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05/30/2016

Flyboy22x wrote:

cavjock97 wrote:

43.2 H4350

130 Hybrid -Pointed- BC .600

2.845 OAL

22.75" Bartlein with Crux Ark338 Can

Dead Nutz to 1,200 yards

CJ97

While totally awesome, realize that that SD is luck. Litz measured the Magnetospeed to have a SD in its MEASUREMENT of about 5 fps, meaning even a perfect load would average 5 fps over a significant number of rounds. Anything below 5 is luck.

That being said, can you teach me to reload? Can I have your voodoo powder? Which chants do you utter as you pour your powder? Do you account for variations in the Earth's gravitational field?

Well done.

I hear ya. I'm happy with a load if the SD is anywhere below 10. SDs like this are certainly not an every day occurrence for me.

The only thing I can attribute this level of consistency to is the factory brass. The only thing I do is run it through the Giraud to chamfer and debur and get the OAL a little more consistent. Seems like the fresh stuff shoots better for me. Getting neck tension and runout perfect on the next firing is hard for me. I still use a Redding beam scale and trickle up every charge, but I do have a Prometheus on order. Can't wait for that!

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06/01/2016

cavjock97 wrote:

43.2 H4350

130 Hybrid -Pointed- BC .600

2.845 OAL

22.75" Bartlein with Crux Ark338 Can

Dead Nutz to 1,200 yards

CJ97

hmm...i like the looks of all this...

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/13/2016
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Rifle: GAP Trued 700, 26" Bartein 1:8, TBAC 30CB9
Brass: 1x Fired Hornady
Primer: Federal Gold Medal 210M
Powder: H4350 42.6gr
Bullet: Berger 140 hybrid

MV 2836 SD 6.4

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06/18/2016 Last edited 06/18/2016 by yukikazewayne
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Since H4350 is really hard to find right now, did anyone ever try N150/N550 instead?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
06/19/2016

Haven't tried the vihta, but the h4350 is so hard to find, I'm going to 4451. Tried a 1 pounder, and had good results, so 8 lbs are on the way. Figure I'll start load development all over, but it's all good.

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06/21/2016

what loads are you all using who have switched to the IMR 4451? I have some coming and was curious what everyone is using.

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06/28/2016

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06/28/2016

I have been having difficulties getting the new 140 ELD-M to perform in my 8.5 twist barrel, has anybody else notice this?

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07/11/2016

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
07/17/2016

Anyone try AA4350 powder? It's readily available here, and fairly cheap.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
07/18/2016

I've got a bunch of data compiled for my 6.5 Creed. Hope this helps everyone.

GA PRECISION CRUSADER 6.5 CREEDMOR
26" MTU 1:8 Krieger

Load data

42.4 H4350, 140 Berger vld, FGM210 @ 2.165 to ogive. 2794 fps

140 ELD m at 2.217 to ogive. 42.6 h4350.
4 shots was .10 moa. 2800 fps at 74 degree

****43.1 h4350 ### COLD WEATHER###
140 hybrid
2.166 to ogive
57 Fahrenheit = 2813 average
31 Fahrenheit = 2798 fps.

PET LOADS
140 vld. 42.4 H4350, 2.140 to ogive. Fgm210m

140 hybrid at 2.125 to ogive 42.6 H4350, 42.5 r17

130 vld at 2.140 to ogive. 44.0 h4350 2930 fps.

139 scenar at 2.229 to ogive. 40.8 r17. 2780 fps at 10 ft. .22 MOA 7 shots.

140 amax. 42.7 r17. 2.800"
2910 fps.

140 hybrid 42.7 r17. at 2.125. 2920 fps.

****COLD WEATHER****
140 hybrid 43.1 H4350. at 2.155 to ogive. 2800 fps. ******** 30 degrees F and below

New BBL 4/24/15
140 vld. 2.136 to ogive. 42.4 H4350 , fgm210 m. 2790 fps.

Chronographed

140 vld
42.6 H4350
at 2.200"
1)2785
2)2794
3)2791
ES 9
Sd 4
Average 2790 fps

140 hybrid. 42.5 r17. 2.142 to ogive.
2896 fps

130 vld. 43.2 r17. 2.137 to ogive
2990 fps
76 degrees. 29.93 in/hg

140 Hybrid
42.6 H4350
@ 2.173 to ogive.
2805 fps
1/2 moa

140 hybrid @ 2.187 to ogive. 42.6 h4350
.3 moa or less. fire formed brass. .289 bushing

140 vld
42.6 H4350
890 yards.
23.5 moa
85 degrees 40.6 humidity
30.18 in hg

42.6 h4350
140 hunting VLD @ 2.145 to ogive.
26.6 moa at 974 yards.

42.6 H4350. 140 hybrid at 2.189 to ogive. .27 moa

42.2 h4350
139 scenar
2.220
2818 fps. Shot good.

42.5 h
140 vld @ 2.195
2805
.289 moa
5 shots witn sd of 6 ES of 18

140 hybrid. 2.187 to ogive. 42.6 h4350
.3 moa or less. 10-13-15 fire formed brass. .289 bushing

890 yards. 140 vld
23.5 moa
85 degrees 40.6 humidity
30.18 in hg

42.6 h4350
140 hunting VLD
26.6 moa @ 974 yards

GAP
August 2015

42.6 H4350
140 hybrid @ 2.173
2805 fps
1/2 moa

42.2 h4350
139 scenar
2.220
2818 fps. Shot good.

42.5 h4350
140 vld @ 2.195
2805
.289 moa
5 shots witn sd of 6 ES of 18

123 AMAX
41.8 varget. 2.201 to ogive.
3040 fps.
1/2 moa

42.5 r17 with a 140 amax. 2.800. 2910 fps and a tack driver
42.6 H4350. 140 hybrid at 2.189 to ogive. .27 moa
42.6 H4350. 140 eld m @ 2.227 to ogive. 2800 fps.
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07/18/2016
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Just shot this trying out some new dies.
42.6 H4350
140 amax @ 2.189 to ogive. (2.813" coal)
Once fired brass bumped 2 1/2/1000's" with a .289 bushing in a Redding FL Type S. Trimmed with RCBS Trim Pro power trimmer to 1.610" with 3 way cutter carbide head.

(I actually pulled the shot high right)
4 shots at 102 yards

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07/18/2016

I use Redding competition, it seems to work very well. I have a two die set for my 6.5 and have able to make very precise changes in loades by changing out the different neck sizing collets. A bit pricey but I'd say they're worthy it.

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07/24/2016

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07/29/2016

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--- Flyboy22x wrote:

Thus far on my AXMC with 26" Bartlein barrel, I've gotten these ladder test results using H4350, BR2 Primers, Prime (Norma) brass, and Berger 130 AR Hybrids @ 300 yards:

I really haven't seen much in the way of pressure, even at 44.2 grains. I loaded up another ladder from 44.0 to 44.9 in .1 increments but haven't shot it yet... is that too hot?? My ladder test indicates maybe there is another node in the low 44's... it would be nice to have more data.

I only chrono'd 43.4gr at 2830 fps, which seems slow for a 26" barrel compared to many others on here. Is this possibly due to barrel break-in? My target velocity for 130 Hybrids is about 2900 fps, though now I'm nervous to push past 44 grains since nobody else seems to be going that high.

Flyboy, fwiw, I'm shooting the 130 OTM Berger with 43.8 H4350, Hornady brass, Fgm210m, with bullet at 2.188" to ogive ( 2.810" COAL roughly). I shot a 5 shot string the other day with average MV at 2938 fps. This was confirmed at 495 yards ( 8.3 moa) and 700 yards (14.7 moa.... With 100 yard zero). Both groups were sub moa.
This is out of a GAP Crusader with a 26" 1:8 Krieger MTU. I also shot a 5 shot group at 100 yards while getting the charge "perfected" and it was .18 moa group. Really like these 130's.
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07/29/2016

Anybody shoot with your bullet touching the lands? How do they perform if so?

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08/10/2016 Last edited 08/10/2016 by CaneZach

Here's my 123 AMAX load with RL17:

Once fired Prime brass, FL sized and trimmed to 1.910"
42.4 grains Relder 17
CCI BR2 primers
2.210" to ogive

AVG velocity 3052 fps with SD of 9 out of a 26" DTA barrel with Silencer Tech suppressor

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08/13/2016

Hornady 140 BTHP
40.4 gr Reloder 17
CCI BR2 primers
2.210" to ogive

AVG velocity 2846 and SD of 6.6 out of a 26" DTA barrel with Silencer Tech suppressor

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/15/2016
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Berger 130 AR Hybrid
43.3 IMR 4451
S&B Primers
Prime Brass
2.850" (20 thou off)

Avg- 2905, SD- 7.6 23.75" Mullerworks barrel Badger action.

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08/25/2016

I live n compete in FL. So I change my charge a lot. I totally switched to IMR 4451 since I got tired of chasing H4350 everywhere. I stay between 42.3 - 42.7 depending on the sunny days. H brass annealed, concentricly chamfered n I use ELD-M. I decided to perfect my shooting and brass instead of using Vergers Hybrids that I used to use.

NOW, why doesn't anyone discuss the real factors that affect this cartridge. Neck tension n neck thickness. Also, setting depth???????????

No point on discussing CBTO and COAL since we all have diff chambers.

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08/26/2016

because i can use a .289 bushing with hornady brass and seat a hybrid/eld/amax 20 thou off and not have to worry about it

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
08/28/2016 Last edited 08/28/2016 by EPD33

craigos wrote:

jeff1383 wrote:

Hornady brass
Fed210match primer
130 berger hybrid
43.3 h4350
Seated .010 off
MV avg 2922
Shot out to 1200 yards nicely on a calm day.

Same except 43.5 (measured on a sartorius), ES 7 fps ... had 1 shot hits out to 1420 the other day and the Kestrel (custom curve) was spot on. Vel avg 2875 fps out a 24 bartlein with a ultra 7 6.5 on it.

43.3 was magic number for me too. I run CCI primers. .010 off the lands. Although my muzzle velocity was only 2802fps avg with 24" Bartlein bbl w/ Badger Mini-FTE brake. This group measures .625 and was shot at 310 yards. The 130 Hybrids shoot much better than the 140gr ELD-M for me.
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/03/2016

Just finished up load development tonight:
140 ELD
42.3gr H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady once fired brass with shoulders bumped about 0.003"
COL 2.845 (0.020" jump)
AI AT 24" MHS Win Tactical barrel
2795 FPS with a 4.6 SD. Taken with a cheap Chrony, will verify data with ballistics, but the .88" tall groups at 238 yards looked promising.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/05/2016 Last edited 09/05/2016 by JGlasgow

42gr of AA4350
Hornady brass
CCI 200 primer
Hornady 140bthp seated to 2.82 C.O.A.L

No velocity numbers yet, and it showed no signs of excessive pressure. Shot at 100 yards.

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Brand new 23" Criterion Prefit stainless barrel with almost 100 rounds through it. Only cleaning with Hoppe's solvent and patches after 50 rounds. This group was also shot suppressed with no correction made for POI shift.

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09/05/2016

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09/11/2016

I have just bought a Ruger precision rifle here in England , caliber 6.5 creedmoor , problem is ammo is as not readily available and no Zeroing targets to zero rifle from 100 to 1000yds on our 100yd range,have got my mate to reload some using the data you have posted, thanks any suggestions re zeroing.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/11/2016

gerry939 wrote:
I have just bought a Ruger precision rifle here in England , caliber 6.5 creedmoor , problem is ammo is as not readily available and no Zeroing targets to zero rifle from 100 to 1000yds on our 100yd range,have got my mate to reload some using the data you have posted, thanks any suggestions re zeroing.

Good rifle and too bad you are having an ammo issue. Can your local dealer order it?

As for zeroing, zero at 100, get your velocity and run it on a ballistic program. I like JBM Ballistics. It's free online and most important it works. You won't get 1000 yard data from a 100 yard target no matter how it's marked as the marks will have to be set for a velocity and bullet and anything different is going to be off. .
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/12/2016

Thanks for that I'm off to the range bought a chronograph, have some hand loads 41.5gr of H4350 140 g head ,AOL 2.800 , cci primers so he's hoping thanks again

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/13/2016 Last edited 09/13/2016 by towboater91

New to this forum, but I've read all 8 pages of this thread and lots of good info on here. Anyways,
I have a savage model 12 vlp topped with a sightron siii 8-32x56 scope, with a pre-fit criterion 6.5 Creedmoor heavy stainless 26" barrel from northland shooters supply, measures .815 at the muzzle. I've got about 500 rounds thru the barrel now, mostly reloads. I have been shooting 140gr hornady bthp with 42.4 H4350 and Imr 4350 and cci 200 primers, using rcbs 1010 scales, seating the bullet at 2.810 COAL (2.215 to ogive with hornadys OAL length gauge and bullet comparator) .035 thou off the lands. Some groups are 1/2, 1/4 inch and some have crazy fliers, I'm using hornady brass trimmed to 1.910. But I've never cleaned the brass just deburred and chamfered and primer pockets cleaned. Anything else I could do to get rid of the fliers?? I'm trying to get it a little more consistent from batch to batch. I've tried rl17 and imr4451 but haven't gotten very good groups in the 42-43gr range. Started seeing some pressure signs around 43.3 imr4451. The temp in middle Tennessee is about 85 right now. Any input would be appreciated.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/13/2016

Three items to consider

Have you checked for copper fouling in the barrel?
Are you neck sizing? I use a .289 bushing.
Cleaning your brass should be in your routine for brass prep. I use an ultrasonic cleaner and trim for growth after each load cycle.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/14/2016 Last edited 09/14/2016 by towboater91

Yes I clean the barrel about every 40-50 round, but still with this criterion barrel I don't see much copper fouling at all opposed to the ruger m77 varmint target 6.5 i had, so I may be cleaning it to early, but I do need to start cleaning the brass haha,I've just been having good luck without doing it. And no I have not been neck sizing although I do have a Lee neck sizing die, I just full length size everytime, I used to crimp them as well, but I stopped doing that bc I was not seeing any difference in the groups. I was assuming I needed to play with the seating depth a little more. I could be wrong tho.

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09/19/2016

Just finished my build and break in. Shot first groups today and started load development. 40.5 grins H4350 ,Hornady 140 HPBT, FGM210M primers in New Hornady brass seated .050 off the lands. Shot 4 different loads in 4 different groups,18 rounds total, and all 18shots would fit in a 1inch square. Got to find a longer range for load development.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/20/2016 Last edited 09/20/2016 by headoctor

26 Bartlien
Deviant Defiant action
AICS AT
Timney Calvin 8oz
March Magnum
Smithed by GA Precision
140 Berger hybrid
42 H4350
Hornady brass
BR-2 primer
COAL depends on your unique build but I gap at .020

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09/22/2016 Last edited 09/23/2016 by shughes88

I've had a hard time finding any H4350 anywhere except online and I'm sorry, I'm just not paying the $25 hazmat fee. Not worth it to me. That being said ive worked up a good load with IMR-4350 which I can find almost anywhere. Here is my load data.

Redding S/type dies
.288 neck bushing
140gr. Berger Hybrid
Hornady brass
42.5gr. IMR-4350
CCI BR2 primers
.002 off lands
2710 FPS

This is shot with my new Savage 10BA Stealth 24" barrel completely stock with a Vortex 6-24x50mm tactical scope. Very nice rig for under $2000. Worked up a good load that shot groups in the .18" range at 100yds. but was too slow at 41gr. and 2550fps. Settled for a test group of .293" and at a better 2710fps which suits me for 1000yds and beyond. Hope this helps for anyone struggling like I was to find H4350 in stock. I'd post pics of my grouping but not sure how to post pics!!

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
09/27/2016

Update to my last post: I picked up some IMR-4451 today to test. It's supposed to be the closest thing to H4350 as far as insensitivity to temperature variances. I'm going to run some tests and would be happy to post results when finished and pics if someone could help me out with how to post pics.

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09/28/2016 Last edited 09/28/2016 by mark5685

Hornady Brass

Sierra MatchKing 140Gr HPBT

42 gr Hodgdon Hybrid 100V

Federal Large Rifle Primers

Shot this recipe through my Ruger Precision Gen 2 w/ Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50 glass @ 100 yards

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/01/2016

Almost my exact load, any chance you could run your ballistic solver with 6500 DA 65 degrees? I'm interested in the MIL come ups @ 640 yds, 840 yds and 1040 yds. Thanks sir, trying to figure out an issue with my ballistic solver.

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--- Servo93 wrote:

Just finished up load development tonight:
140 ELD
42.3gr H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady once fired brass with shoulders bumped about 0.003"
COL 2.845 (0.020" jump)
AI AT 24" MHS Win Tactical barrel
2795 FPS with a 4.6 SD. Taken with a cheap Chrony, will verify data with ballistics, but the .88" tall groups at 238 yards looked promising.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/03/2016

verdugo60 wrote:
Almost my exact load, any chance you could run your ballistic solver with 6500 DA 65 degrees? I'm interested in the MIL come ups @ 640 yds, 840 yds and 1040 yds. Thanks sir, trying to figure out an issue with my ballistic solver.

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--- Servo93 wrote:

Just finished up load development tonight:
140 ELD
42.3gr H4350
Federal 210M
Hornady once fired brass with shoulders bumped about 0.003"
COL 2.845 (0.020" jump)
AI AT 24" MHS Win Tactical barrel
2795 FPS with a 4.6 SD. Taken with a cheap Chrony, will verify data with ballistics, but the .88" tall groups at 238 yards looked promising.

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this is the same speed factory 140 eld runs in my AT

6500 DA, 65 degrees, 2.45" scope height, no winds

Ballistic AE

640: 3.68

840: 5.67

1040: 8.01

TRASOL

640: 3.7

840: 5.8

1040: 8.1

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10/06/2016 Last edited 10/06/2016 by KibaSH

Anyone playing with RL16 yet? Alliant's test data is showing higher velocities at the same pressure, lower SD, and less temperature sensitivity compared to the old standby of H4350. Density of RL16 is slightly lower than H4350 so it takes a little more RL16 compared to H4350 to match the pressures but the data looks really good.

Early reports on other forums are very promising regarding velocity/SD/accuracy.

Even though I'm sitting on quite a bit of H4350 I have some RL16 on the way and will be testing with it soon. Just wondered if anyone else on here is already experimenting with it...

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10/08/2016

I'm new to the 6.5 but not new to reloading. What do y'all recommend for 120 gr Speer SP and a Ruger American? I just got it and haven't had a chance to check the OAl or anything. I did however put 60 rounds thru it using the Hornady Match 120 gr A-max and are loving the results. I'm getting 1 1/2" to 2" groups at 300 yards.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/09/2016 Last edited 10/17/2016 by CaneZach

Barnes 140 Match Burner
2.214" to ogive
1x Hornady brass
41.9 grains H4350
FGM210M primers
26" DTA barrel with SilencerTech suppressor
Avg MV 2806, ES 20, SD 8.4
70°, 5660' asl, 24.66 inHg

Today was the first time I tried these bullets. Advertised G1 of 0.586 was REAL close and Ballistic AE G7 drag model gave me a 0.293 G7. Called for 8.14 mils of elevation to get to 1080 yards. I needed 8.2 to get on target, so pretty damn close to advertised. I still want to play around with seating depth to tighten up the groups, but it really looks promising.

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10/10/2016

I've seen some RL17 loads here and there, it seems to be slightly more available in my area so I picked up a pound to work into some load dev. Seems like 40-41gr is the sweet spot for alot of you, hopefully it will be the same for me.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
10/10/2016 Last edited 10/10/2016 by CaneZach

DaveThomas83 wrote:
I've seen some RL17 loads here and there, it seems to be slightly more available in my area so I picked up a pound to work into some load dev. Seems like 40-41gr is the sweet spot for alot of you, hopefully it will be the same for me.

I really like RL17 in my 6.5 loads. As you said, it seems to be more available in my area as well and it's performed really well for me. Granted, I've read all the reports about its temperature sensitivity, but I did my load work in the middle of summer when the temps were in the 90s or higher. For 140 grain projectiles, the node does seem to fall somewhere between 40 and 41 grains, but work up safely, your results may vary, and all the other legal stuff.

Edit: For what it's worth, I get better velocities with RL17 while using less powder than H4350. Not an apples to apples comparison, but I use 41.9 grains of H4350 with the Barnes 140 Match Burner and my MV is 2806. With 40.4 grains of RL17 and a Hornady 140 BTHP, I was in the 2850 range
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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/05/2016

Anybody got a load for Hornady's new .264/6.5mm 147gr ELD Match bullet? I just ordered 200 from Midway.

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11/05/2016

I am surprised that Midway has the 147gr already.

Anyone with 143gr ELD-X load info?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/06/2016

I think this might be the first Reloder 16 load in this thread, so hopefully we'll see a few more. I've found, in limited testing, that Reloder 16 is producing very respectable results in 6.5CM

1x Hornady brass (FL sized, trimmed, chamfered, deburred, etc)
140 Barnes Match Burner @ 2.203" to ogive
CCI BR2 primer
42.0 grains of Reloder 16
Testing started in the morning at 54º, up to 62º in the afternoon, 6931' ASL, 23.50 inHg
Velocity was really good at 2847 fps, SD of 7.4, ES of 20 measured with a MagnetoSpeed V3

Here's the link with some more info, including a comparison between an equal load of H4350 and RL16
http://www.scout.com/military/snipe...ng/15114591-6-5cm-reloder-16-load-development

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11/07/2016
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Anyone have a good recipe for Hornady 143 ELD-X and H4350?

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11/08/2016 Last edited 11/08/2016 by towboater91

I too have had good results with reloder 16 this past couple weeks. My current load is
42.4/42.5 reloder 16 measured with rcbs 1010 scale
Hornady brass 3x fired, trimmed to 1.905 deburred and chamfered, cleaned with thumblers tumbler with stainless media
Hornady bthp 140gr loaded at 2.800 OAL, 2.205 to ogive (2.250 touching lands, using OAL gauge and comparator)
CCI 200 primers (can't find gm210m or cci br2 primers anywhere!)
Used redding type S match dies
Micro seating die and neck die with .289 bushing. Also have a .290 bushing to try soon. Shooting out of a savage 12 with 26" criterion barrel. I've had pretty good results with these powders so far.
Reloder 16
Reloder17
H4350
Imr4350
Imr4451, all in the 42gr range.
I don't feel like the cci 200 primers are very consistent tho, does anyone else have this opinion?

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11/09/2016

no problems with CCI 200s...all i run in 6comp, 6.5creed, and 308, thousands of rounds...single digit SDs and bugholes in all

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
11/12/2016 Last edited 11/12/2016 by drglock

Trued 700
Bartlien 1-8.5 @ 18"
TBAC Ultra 9

140gr Amax's
H4350 42.6grs
FGM LR
Hornady brass
BTO 2.200 .014 off lands
.249 group
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That low of a SD was just luck , all the planets must of been aligned.

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11/22/2016

120ttsx
40.4gr Varget
CCI200
Norma Brass
2.21 to ogive
3004 fps

130 VLD
41.7gr IMR4451
CCI200
Norma Brass
2.17 to ogive
2710 fps

127LRX
41.5gr IMR4451
CCI200
Norma Brass
2.23 to ogive
2830 fps

I'm trying to stay away from H4350 due to its unavailability these days. Anyone else have good luck with varget or 4451 in the 120's and 130's? Varget gave some excellent groups with the 130 VLD's but velocity wasn't there so i didn't post the load.

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11/23/2016

I'm using:
RL-26 49 grains
Hornady brass
140gr ELD-Match
2.240" to ogive
CCI BR-2 primers
MV 2925fps in 22" bbl
SD 11
ES 19
1/4 MOA

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11/29/2016

I am getting tighter groups with 41.0 gr of H4350 with the 143 ELD-X than I was with 41.5. Shooting is out of a stock savage lrp rifle but suppressed. Velocity was around 2775 using a chrony. Im at 4280 elevation.

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12/11/2016 Last edited 12/11/2016 by towboater91

These are all from today with the 6.5 cm
1st pic is hornady 140gr match bthp 42.6 imr4451 2.222 to ogive .030 thou off lands
2nd pic is lapua 139gr scenar 42.4 imr4451 2.255 .020 thou off lands
3rd pic is nosler competition bthp 42.4 imr4451 2.239 .020 thou off lands
All with hornady brass neck sized .289 bushing
CCI 200 primers
5 shot groups at 100yds except first pic was 4 shots at 100

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12/14/2016 Last edited 12/14/2016 by Upst8co

Lots of great information comes from this site. Found This thread and it will come in very useful as I just picked up a Ruger Precision in the 6.5 . Thanks for all the great data !

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12/14/2016

what kind of velocity were you getting with the hodgdon hybrid 100v for your 6.5? I have been having a hell of a time getting my hands on h4350 and looking at the hodgdon website the 100v has looked pretty solid.

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12/15/2016

What G7 BC are you seeing the best results from? I'm having trouble getting good dope from my kestrel and I trust my velocity from a magnetospeed.

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12/20/2016

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12/22/2016

Has anyone tried any nosler brass or norma brass with their creedmoor? If so could you tell a difference between that and hornady brass?

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12/28/2016 Last edited 12/28/2016 by erslll

RoterJager wrote:
Anyone have a good recipe for Hornady 143 ELD-X and H4350?

42.5 gr of H4350 has been working pretty well for me, .015-.020 off the lands. CCI250 primers, Horandy brass

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01/02/2017

Berger 140gr VLD-H
.308 Palma brass converted to 6.5 CM
CCI Small Rifle Mag
IMR4451 42.4grs
BTO 2.193
.264 group
MV 2615fps out 18" barrel

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/12/2017

Since there's not a lot of reloder 16 data here's what I found:

Berger 130 AR hybrid
44.2 Reloder 16
Hornady brass (new)
COAL 2.79
MV Average 2820 (22" barrel) Remington 700 (5 shots)
SD 6
ES 15

I don't have an pics but the first 3 shots where through the same hole but I pulled the last two shots

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01/12/2017

Tag, For data.

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01/16/2017

Hmmmmmmm, am still waiting for someone to reply to a post a few pages ago, about using Accurate 4350 in the 6.5CM.

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01/17/2017

I believe JGlasgow did, on page 8.

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01/17/2017

Thanks MarinePMI, I missed Glasgow's post. Odd that Accurate shows no load data for their 4350 in the 6.5 CM. Picked up a lb. of it today, to try.

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/18/2017

Here is Accurate's reply to my request fo 6.5CM load data for their 4350 powder.

120gr.....start load 40gr.........max load 45 gr.....103% compacted
129gr.....start load 40gr.........max load 44.5gr....103% compacted
140gr.....start load 39.2gr.....max load 43.5gr.....103% compacted

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
01/23/2017

135 berger classic hunter .01 off lands
Alpha brass, fed 210m, 47 grains viht n560
2850 fps with an SD of 4
Shoots in the .1's and .2's out of my accurate ordnance built lightweight hunter
Barrel is a 24 inch 8 twist rock creek #5

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01/27/2017

huffmanite wrote:

Here is Accurate's reply to my request fo 6.5CM load data for their 4350 powder.

120gr.....start load 40gr.........max load 45 gr.....103% compacted
129gr.....start load 40gr.........max load 44.5gr....103% compacted
140gr.....start load 39.2gr.....max load 43.5gr.....103% compacted

Did they specify what brand case?

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Re: 6.5 Creedmoor
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Any data using Superperformance?

Or Ramshot Hunter?

I have 130 VLDs and 143 ELD-X

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JGlasgow, Accurates reply:

24" barrel, 1-9"twist, WLR primer, and case was HORNADY

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david59, if you check load data site for Accurate/Ramshot powders, you'll not find the bullets you have listed for the HUNTER powder loads. Here is the Ramshot data for similar grain bullets.

123 gr Sierra MK 42.3 start.......47 max
140 gr Hdy A-max 40.8 start........45.3 max
142 gr Sierra MK 41.1 start........45.7 max

By the way, love the way the Ramshot rifle powders meter for me and keep five of them for my reloading.

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Thanks

tubby1 · Feb 17, 2017

Haven't seen much on IMR 4451 so I thought Id post my results.

Bullet: Hornady 140gn ELDM
Brass: Hornady
Primer: Federal 210
Charge Weight: 42.1 gn
Avg fps: 2744
SD: 7

Shot out of an RPR with a 24 inch bartlein .02 off the lands. Produced half MOA group.

2c1fr · Feb 20, 2017

A wealth of knowledge here thanks all

luv2hunt6 · Feb 20, 2017

GAP Templar Action
26" Bartlein Barrel with APA LB Brake
140ELD-M
210M
41.6 H4350 (recently found that 43.2 shoots just as well)
SD 7.6 ES 19
2759fps
Group was fired at BRGC 300yd range last summer.

2c1fr · Feb 22, 2017

I can't wait to get started reloading for my 6.5

canezach · Feb 26, 2017

DTA SRS 26" 1:8 twist
Silencer Tech suppressor
Nosler 140 RDFs at 2.203" to ogive
41.2 grains Reloder 16
CCI BR2 primers
Hornady twice fired brass
Avg MV: 2856 fps (Magnetospeed V3)
ES: 4
SD: 1.49

Yeah, I know those spread and dev numbers are pure luck, planets aligning, etc., but I'll take them for today! I tested 41.2, 41.5, and 41.8 grains. Avg MVs of 41.5 and 41.8 were excellent (2871 and 2887, respectively). SDs were under 10, and ES was low for 41.5, but at 41.8 the spread was 23 fps and groups started opening up. No pressure signs on the brass itself at 41.5 grains. Slight flattening and cratering at 41.8 grains.

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