**6 Creedmoor**

[rdandy]

Hey guys. Total newb to reloading here. My goal is to load a hot varmint round for my 6 Creedmoor using something like the 65 or 75 gr VMAX. Has anyone done this?

My gun loves the 108 gr ELD factory match rounds and I'm concerned that the 1:8" twist rate won't really like the light bullets.

 

[Milo 2.5]

Hey guys. Total newb to reloading here. My goal is to load a hot varmint round for my 6 Creedmoor using something like the 65 or 75 gr VMAX. Has anyone done this?

My gun loves the 108 gr ELD factory match rounds and I'm concerned that the 1:8" twist rate won't really like the light bullets.

I can't help on a load, but being your gun can run factory 108's, you will have one heck of a jump with a lighter bullet. Then, depending on speed, you're going to need to ensure they do not come apart. Food for thought.

 

[rdandy]

Thank you.

I could try the 87gr VMAX if the lighter ones don't work well.

 

[lukejr985]

can i seat bullets using a 6.5 creed seating die?

 

[ssdrew]

can i seat bullets using a 6.5 creed seating die?

I asked this question because I had the Hornady 6.5cm match die set and decided to go 6cm. They confirmed what I thought and it was to basically get the 6cm seating stem for the seater and the correct size bushing for the sizer. Depending on your brand of die, you might be able to swap out stems.

 

[Malevolent73]

With how difficult it is to find H4350 powder, what other powders are you guys playing with in 6cm?

Thanks

I have scoured the net trying to find some data on Varget... NOTHING! NO data for it anywhere, and I'm too new to reloading to think about trying to wing it on my own!

 

[lennyo3034]

I have scoured the net trying to find some data on Varget... NOTHING! NO data for it anywhere, and I'm too new to reloading to think about trying to wing it on my own!

Varget seems too fast for 6CM. Most data I've seen has been for H4350 on the fast side to H1000 on the slow. Varget is considerably faster burning than either of those.

Even if you were to find a good load with Varget, I would think it would burn out the throat rather quickly.

If you're not finding data for it, it might be for good reason.

 

[rdandy]

So I think I had ok results but I'm not sure where to go from here. This is 87gr VMAX .010" off lands with IMR 4064 at 100 yards. 5 shot groups.

30g - .77"
30.5g - .86"
31g - .62"
31.5g - 1.02"
32g- .82"
32.5g - 1.08"
33g - .66"
33.5g- .74"
34g - .91"
34.5g - 1.07"

Since there is no published data for this load I started in between 6x47L and .243 Win data. I know this gun is capable of more as it will shoot factory Hornady 108 ELDs at around .45"

I didn't experience any pressure signs at all. Should I continue pushing for a hotter node? Or stick with the 33.5g load and experiment with seating depths. With the factory 108s the bullet is seated quite far onto the lands.

 

[Malevolent73]

Varget seems too fast for 6CM. Most data I've seen has been for H4350 on the fast side to H1000 on the slow. Varget is considerably faster burning than either of those.

Even if you were to find a good load with Varget, I would think it would burn out the throat rather quickly.

If you're not finding data for it, it might be for good reason.

Good to know.... anyway, I was just able to get 16lbs of H4350, so I should be set for quite a while. Now to get to work loading up some rounds!

 

[JGorski]

I have scoured the net trying to find some data on Varget... NOTHING! NO data for it anywhere, and I'm too new to reloading to think about trying to wing it on my own!

This might help. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/11/6mm-creedmoor-reloading-data-from-sierra-bullets/

 

[XTREM HTR16]

So I think I had ok results but I'm not sure where to go from here. This is 87gr VMAX .010" off lands with IMR 4064 at 100 yards. 5 shot groups.

30g - .77"
30.5g - .86"
31g - .62"
31.5g - 1.02"
32g- .82"
32.5g - 1.08"
33g - .66"
33.5g- .74"
34g - .91"
34.5g - 1.07"

Since there is no published data for this load I started in between 6x47L and .243 Win data. I know this gun is capable of more as it will shoot factory Hornady 108 ELDs at around .45"

I didn't experience any pressure signs at all. Should I continue pushing for a hotter node? Or stick with the 33.5g load and experiment with seating depths. With the factory 108s the bullet is seated quite far onto the lands.

Would this help? https://press.hornady.com/assets/sit...r-all-data.pdf

looks like you can go up to 42’ish of 4064 for the 75 VMax. 4064 might be too fast for the 87 grain.

Heard Hornady is coming out with factory 87 VMax for the 6 creed. If it’s at the same price point as the ELD, it should sell!

 

[JGorski]

The couple times I shot the 87HPs I used IMR4350, only 2 shots each for foulers but the 2 shoot under 1/2" out to 200-300yds.

 

[Matt @ LSI]

here are the initial test results from my new build:
24" Proof SS 1-7.5"
108gr ELDM H4350 powder, 100rounds through the tube.
50 degrees, 4500ft, 50% humidity, BP 28.0inhg
Once fired Hornady 6.5 CM necked to 6mm.
5 ROUND GROUPS @100yards WITH MAGNETOSPEED V3 ATTACHED

Factory Hornady 108gr ELDM
AVG- 2976
SD14.3
GROUP SIZE- .82"

41.6gr H4350
AVG- 2976
SD- 14.3
GROUP SIZE- .66"

41.8GR H4350
AVG- 2996
SD- 16.4
GROUP SIZE- ..86"

42.0GR H4350
AVG- 3001
SD-9.1
GROUP SIZE- .70"

42.2GR H4350
AVG-3021
SD-27.2
GROUP SIZE- .72"

42.4GR H4350
AVG- 3026
SD 13.6
GROUP SIZE- .75"

42.6GR H4350- SLIGHT PRESSURE SIGN, STOPPED THERE.
AVG- 3040
SD-14.7
GROUP SIZE- .82"

 

[JRodMT]

The couple times I shot the 87HPs I used IMR4350, only 2 shots each for foulers but the 2 shoot under 1/2" out to 200-300yds.

A while back you said you were messing with H4831sc. How did that work out for you?

 

[excess]

Just starting to load for 6 Creedmoor.

Alpha large primer brass (new)
40.5 grs Hodgdon H4350
Berger 105 Hybrids
CCI BR-2 primers

24" 7.5 twist barrel

2964 fps averagee
9.5 S-D

I seemed to luck into a very accurate node. I might play a little and see if I can find a good node that's a little faster though.

 

[JRodMT]

I just ran up a velocity ladder test to see what this rifle was capable of running H4831sc. I’ve got a 28” Bartlein 7.5 twist and here are my results with 110 SMKs and Peterson brass. Slight pressure signs as 45gr.

42gr- 2940fps
42.3gr- 2953fps
42.6gr- 2968fps
42.9gr- 3018fps
43.2gr- 3051fps
43.5gr- 3053fps
43.8gr- 3098fps
44.1gr- 3117fps
44.4gr- 3120fps
44.7gr- 3144fps
45gr- 3172fps

 

[shields shtr]

I just ran up a velocity ladder test to see what this rifle was capable of running H4831sc. I’ve got a 28” Bartlein 7.5 twist and here are my results with 110 SMKs and Peterson brass. Slight pressure signs as 45gr.

42gr- 2940fps
42.3gr- 2953fps
42.6gr- 2968fps
42.9gr- 3018fps
43.2gr- 3051fps
43.5gr- 3053fps
43.8gr- 3098fps
44.1gr- 3117fps
44.4gr- 3120fps
44.7gr- 3144fps
45gr- 3172fps

Good seeing you at the shoot on Saturday. Funny we both went from SnoWest to Snipers Hide!
For what it's worth, I have been running RL16 in my 6.5 and 6 Creed with good success. Seems plenty temp stable, and some pretty good velocities with not that much powder. Running the 110 SMKs out of my 6 creed at 3050. Shoots 1/2 or under, which is pretty much the limit of my marksmanship skills anyways...

AB

 

[Sportin Wood]

Good seeing you at the shoot on Saturday. Funny we both went from SnoWest to Snipers Hide!
For what it's worth, I have been running RL16 in my 6.5 and 6 Creed with good success. Seems plenty temp stable, and some pretty good velocities with not that much powder. Running the 110 SMKs out of my 6 creed at 3050. Shoots 1/2 or under, which is pretty much the limit of my marksmanship skills anyways...

AB

What load are you using to achieve 3050 with RL16?

 

[JRodMT]

Good seeing you at the shoot on Saturday. Funny we both went from SnoWest to Snipers Hide!
For what it's worth, I have been running RL16 in my 6.5 and 6 Creed with good success. Seems plenty temp stable, and some pretty good velocities with not that much powder. Running the 110 SMKs out of my 6 creed at 3050. Shoots 1/2 or under, which is pretty much the limit of my marksmanship skills anyways...

AB

Small world isn’t it?! I borrowed my user name from SnoWest. Thanks for coming over and re-introducing yourself. Hope to see you at more matches.

 

[shields shtr]

What load are you using to achieve 3050 with RL16?

41.0 Grains, Hornady Brass, CCI Primers. I actually think my barrel sped up some in the break in process and I could probably get close with 40.5.

So far I have loved RL16 in both my 6.5 and my 6.

 

[sanpedroranch]

How was the accuracy with 4831?

 

[JRodMT]

How was the accuracy with 4831?

Throughout my load development process, my barrel is speeding up but it’s still shooting great. I’m running 43.5gr H4831sc at 3100. I’ve got 100rds down the tube now. Here’s a 300yd group.

 

[BigdaddyWSM]

Thank you.

I could try the 87gr VMAX if the lighter ones don't work well.

When I built my rifle I bought a box of factory 87 grain hornady Vmax for breaking in my 6mm CM and they shoot great in my 1-8 twist barrel.

 

[Captbb56]

Finally, Found my Ruger precsion rifles pet load. Hornady once fired brass, 41.7 H4350, Hornady 108 ELD @ 2.790 coal, 3003 fps. I also had good groups with 40.8 grs of H4350 but only 2925 fps. Both are dime size groups @ 100yds
Sierra 107 matcking shoot almost as good with same powder charges
My rifle shoots 105 Berger and Sierra with 40-42 grs of H4350 all near 1 moa

 

[craigos]

So got some of the new Alpha 6CM SRP and found the following in a 26" Bartlein 1:7.5

40.5gr RL17
110 SMK
3050 fps
bolt handle started to get stiff ~ 40.7

41.1gr H4350
115 DTAC
2975 fps
Still had room to push harder but found a node here

 

[Sowastrong Industries]

RE: 6CM

26" Brux AIAT from Accurate Ordnance, have chamber specs somewhere
107gr MK
42gr H4350
6.5cm hornady brass
.266" neck bushing (pretty sure? been trying a few sizes and don't recall off top of my head)
210m
.030" jump
3130fps 3.7sd

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Well, even though I don’t currently have a 6 Creed in the stable, I couldn’t pass up the pre-order on Prime’s 6 Creed ammo introduction. Since it won’t be out until late this year, I can now start collecting parts for a build...

 

[Desert_Racer]

Anyone have a starting load for RL26 in Lapua brass, with the 105 class of bullets?

 

[Forward543]

Anyone have a starting load for RL26 in Lapua brass, with the 105 class of bullets?

I am using 44.5 reloader 26 in hornady brads with 108 eld match. The accuracy is pretty good going roughly 3100 fps

 

[Kurusty]

Anyone notice any difference between small and large primer cases?

 

[Pvt.Donut]

Anyone notice any difference between small and large primer cases?

Brass life seems to be the biggest benefit. You'll need to redo your load development if you're swapping from LP to SP. I prefer the SP because I can load hotter if needed and know my brass will last longer than 5 firings.

 

[Kurusty]

Brass life seems to be the biggest benefit. You'll need to redo your load development if you're swapping from LP to SP. I prefer the SP because I can load hotter if needed and know my brass will last longer than 5 firings.

Thank you, I haven't been able to find a real answer.I appreciate your input.
Are you also using 4350 for the SRP?

 

[Raufoss]

Anyone have solid data with alpha brass( please state new or fired) 110 smk and RL16?

Can't get anything better than 7 SD and group variation from 0.450 to 0.850 at 100 yards...

I think their is a node at 2975 ish but I don't know.

I run new brass with bullet at 0.010 from the land(2.858) and at 39.8 I was getting 2967 and now 3000..

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Anyone have solid data with alpha brass( please state new or fired) 110 smk and RL16?

Can't get anything better than 7 SD and group variation from 0.450 to 0.850 at 100 yards...

I think their is a node at 2975 ish but I don't know.

I run new brass with bullet at 0.010 from the land(2.858) and at 39.8 I was getting 2967 and now 3000..

Have you done a seating depth test to fine tune your load for better accuracy?

 

[Raufoss]

Have you done a seating depth test to fine tune your load for better accuracy?

I tried the classics but haven't tried the Uber jump that I've read people running.

Are you all running 60 to 80 tho of jump?

 

[308pirate]

Found good accuracy and SD of 4 with:

47.3 H1000
107 SMK
2.795 (.045" jump)
MV: 2870
SD: 4
ES:10
22" JP barrel (AR-10)

Should I look for a higher node? I am already crunching powder at 47.3, although I have not seen pressure signs.

For reference, this barrel shoots factory Hornady ELD at 2970 with pressure signs.

Not abnormal to be compressed at 47.3, max load (per Hodgdon) is 48.2. I'd say add more powder and see.

 

[Forward543]

Looks like another node at 41.1-41.4 of reloader 26 with 108 eld. Going 2877 in 26" barrel, cci 200, hornady brass.

 

[lennyo3034]

Not abnormal to be compressed at 47.3, max load (per Hodgdon) is 48.2. I'd say add more powder and see.

I have a different 6 CM now and switched the Lapua brass. Load data for Hornady brass definitely does not work, Lapua has much lower case capacity. Here is 47.5 grains H1000 in a Lapua case:

ETA: seems my pictures are not working, but 47.5 is well above overflowing the case.

 

[RadKad]

What is the "normal" distance from lands that everyone is running for 105 berger hybrids? I have not done a setting depth test yet, just wanted some advice. Thanks

6mm creedmoor
26 pva 1;7.5 twist
origin action
alpha sp brass
h4350 42.2
cci primers
.020 off lands

 

[stalwart300]

Tl3 action
24" heavy palma Krieger
6.5 creedmoor necked down
107 smk
41.7 hr hybrid 100v
Cci 450
1/4" 5 shot groups
3150 fps

 

[RadKad]

Is anyone else having problems with the 105 hybrids grouping? I have a 26 inch pva 7.5 twist,origin action calvin elite trigger. My current load is 41.4 of h4350, cci primers and alpha sp brass. I cannot get any consistency, Ill shoot a pretty good group then the next one will be terrible. I shoot from a bench with good rest. About 150 rounds on the barrel.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Is anyone else having problems with the 105 hybrids grouping? I have a 26 inch pva 7.5 twist,origin action calvin elite trigger. My current load is 41.4 of h4350, cci primers and alpha sp brass. I cannot get any consistency, Ill shoot a pretty good group then the next one will be terrible. I shoot from a bench with good rest. About 150 rounds on the barrel.

Have you tried cleaning your barrel?

 

[RadKad]

Have you tried cleaning your barrel?

I have not, I thought you shouldn't clean it till around the 4-500 mark. Am I wrong? That being said I did clean it last night, someone else told me to try that. I havnt shot it yet with the clean barrel.

 

[RadKad]

I have not, I thought you shouldn't clean it till around the 4-500 mark. Am I wrong? That being said I did clean it last night, someone else told me to try that. I havnt shot it yet with the clean barrel.

I am also only neck sizing the top half of the neck (redding bushing die), not sure if it would cause this. I did it this way on my .308 brass and it worked well.

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Most say to clean when the groups grow. Since your barrel is new maybe it is still fouling up a bit. Neck sizing only shouldn't cause that if you have good brass. It's not range find stuff and all mix and matched is it?

 

[RadKad]

Most say to clean when the groups grow. Since your barrel is new maybe it is still fouling up a bit. Neck sizing only shouldn't cause that if you have good brass. It's not range find stuff and all mix and matched is it?

Once fired alpha sp brass

 

[MilSpecOkie]

That rules the brass out. It doesn't get much better than that!

 

[Woollymonster]

 

[RadKad]

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Bullet and grain?

 

[Woollymonster]

Bullet and grain?

105 Berger Hybrid Match, pointed.