30.6g Varget with 105 Bergers at 2850 from a 27” barrel. Low SD, cannot remember at the moment. Less than 100 rounds on barrel so far, so we'll see if it speeds up or not.
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Also going 2700 with 109 seams to be pretty good from the previous posts I've read in this thread.I need help. I switched to a 109 Hybrid and from Lapua to Peterson brass. I’ve been working with tech line because I’ve been getting heavy bolt lift with swipe at slow velocities.
28” Hawk Hill 7.5 twist barrel and impact action. I’m only at 2705 FPS with 27.4 gr of Varget at 0.050 of riflings with 109 hybrid. I get heavy bolt at 27.8-27.9 gr!!!!! I even turned necks because a fired case neck measures .273 and a loaded round with unturned necks are .271 and so he thought that was the problem. Nope or at least not completely. I’ve used wheeler method to to find riflings and to verify shoulder isn’t a problem. On virgin brass the case headspace expansion on Petersen brass is .006 and Lapua was .004.
I switched because I wanted 500 rounds so I didn’t have to reload brass in order to shoot every week but giving up that much velocity is a ton. With Lapua and 105 hybrids 2850 was easy and not pushing the limits. However my tech support guy thinks 2750 should be all I should expect and I’m not even getting that before pressure becomes an issue. Am I crazy?
If you plan on shooting 1000 yard F-class, your 109 grain Berger will have a lot of "hang time" with the 27XX velocity at the muzzle. On a really calm day, a 6BR variant going 2950+ may be able to hang with the 7mm calibers, but the minute the wind kicks in, the bullet will take a beating. There is a reason most of us shoot a 7mm caliber with 180 hybrids for LR matches.Good advice. I liked the quality but I’m wanting to start shooting fclass 1000 yards as a way of getting more experience as I’ve gone through a medical nightmare for 4 1/2 years and am ready to pull the trigger on a regular basis. Anyway giving up that much velocity seems like too big of a compromise. Another thing is when temps go from 45 degrees to 90 degrees I might have needed to slow down even more. I can better justify going back to Lapua.
I’m just going to start shooting with what I have and realize I’ll take a beating. I just want to play the game. If I have as much fun as I did at the one and only match last summer then I’ll build a Fclass rifle over the winter and most likely a 284 by Alex wheeler.I'd be checking for a carbon ring as well. The only time I have ever had a pressure problem with a 6BR variant when using "normal" load amounts of Varget was when a carbon ring got started that I didn't catch right away. A straight 6BR should be able to be run around 30 grains of Varget @ somewhere around 2850 depending on how slippery your barrel is, length of barrel and how hot your version of Varget is.
Have you done an interior volume H2O test of the cases to see how much difference there is?
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If you plan on shooting 1000 yard F-class, your 109 grain Berger will have a lot of "hang time" with the 27XX velocity at the muzzle. On a really calm day, a 6BR variant going 2950+ may be able to hang with the 7mm calibers, but the minute the wind kicks in, the bullet will take a beating. There is a reason most of us shoot a 7mm caliber with 180 hybrids for LR matches.
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Good on ya for being out there. Do you have the ability to scope the barrel and see if you have a carbon ring going? If you have some Kroil, plug the muzzle and fill that baby up and let it sit for about a week, or if you can identify the ring, go after it with kroil and a bronze brush. Brush, patch clean, patch with kroil, sit for 24 hours, repeat. Do that for about 4 days and shoot it again. Kroil is a magic elixir for me on both carbon and copper.I’m just going to start shooting with what I have and realize I’ll take a beating. I just want to play the game. If I have as much fun as I did at the one and only match last summer then I’ll build a Fclass rifle over the winter and most likely a 284 by Alex wheeler.
I’m assuming the water difference is significant and I’ve already fought with carbon rings unfortunately. Just keep coming back quickly and frankly has ruined some of the fun I thought I’d have with the 6BR because it comes so quickly that I’m always wondering if it’s affecting my load development. Regardless I just ordered 500 cases of Lapua brass and may try my supply of RL15
I have two rifles set up in 22BR for p-dog shooting; old school Ruger #1 that is on it's 5th barrel and a Falkor/KRG Bravo setup that I built this winter. Will be out in Montana hammering them in 3 weeks. Most fun you can have with your clothes on...especially at my age.Would love to try a 22BR
I've been out half a dozen times smashing them up already.I have two rifles set up in 22BR for p-dog shooting; old school Ruger #1 that is on it's 5th barrel and a Falkor/KRG Bravo setup that I built this winter. Will be out in Montana hammering them in 3 weeks. Most fun you can have with your clothes on...especially at my age.
You are fortunate to live in SD. I used to shoot a lot around Kennebec and NW of Mobridge. Back in the 80's I could shoot out a 22-250 barrel in a week... Couple guys that played for the North Stars and I would go through 500 rounds each in a day, and that was back in the day with the #1 and a Remington 700.I've been out half a dozen times smashing them up already.
They have a 105 Lapua on their 6BR reloading page.Guys, I cannot find reloading data for 105 gr Berger BT Target and VV n 140. There is ZERO data on VV's website and ZERO data at Berger Bullets' website. Where should I start load development and where is max on this?
My load is 29.9 of N140 with a 109 berger. It runs 2820ish out of a 26" Proof barrel and using Lapua brass. Using CCI 400 primers out of necessity right now and they are still round after firing with no sign of high pressures.Guys, I cannot find reloading data for 105 gr Berger BT Target and VV n 140. There is ZERO data on VV's website and ZERO data at Berger Bullets' website. Where should I start load development and where is max on this?
As with many manuals those numbers look kinda low.They have a 105 Lapua on their 6BR reloading page.
Exactly. I saw the reloading data on 105 Scenar, but frankly speaking they seem suprisingly low. I cannot get Varget, so I will be developing my load using VVn 140. My assumption is I should start my load at 2 grains above minimum provided for Scenars, however I would like to ask you guys for your kind guidance on this.As with many manuals those numbers look kinda low.
That combo certainly isn't getting the typical speeds everyone reports when using Varget etc.
You might have trouble getting enough powder in for a full burn and velocity.AAnyone using H4350 for 6BR 105 Berger hybrid CCI450?
I’m using this exact combo. It’s awesome.Anyone using H4350 for 6BR 105 Berger hybrid CCI450?
Hmm. I do have some Benchmark. I have tried Varget but it just doesn't want to group up consistently. Any load data for Benchmark please?You might have trouble getting enough powder in for a full burn and velocity.
ETA: It seems as if there have been some to do it, albeit I did not check to see if using CCI450 mattered. Here’s some info: https://forum.accurateshooter.com/t...r-n550-in-a-straight-6br-behind-105s.3965443/
What is your load?
I was running Berger 109 with 30.2 Varget, .030 off lands. I try and shoot NRL/PRS. I have access to 105 now. With the shortage I could only find 109. I have 6.5 Lbs of Varget, 9 Lbs of H4350, and 3.5 of Benchmark.As someone with a new 6BR and both Varget & H4350 I too am curious
How accurate are we talking Orkan?
31gr. Though you should start somewhere around 28.What is your load?
How accurate are we talking Orkan?
31gr. Though you should start somewhere around 28.
I always enjoy crushing the "kyle's" and their large cartridges at distance with the little 6br-based stuff.Oh my, this will be an adventure. Lapua 6BR next to a 300 PRC.
It's so much fun. My local range only goes to 1000 and has a 10" plate out there. One day my buddy comes over with his dasher and just smokes it 10/10 and the guy next to him is struggling to hit the 16" plate with his 338. That guy asked what my buddy was shooting and his face was utter disappointment when he said it was a dasher.I always enjoy crushing the "kyle's" and their large cartridges at distance with the little 6br-based stuff.
1,000 with a 338 should be like cheating.It's so much fun. My local range only goes to 1000 and has a 10" plate out there. One day my buddy comes over with his dasher and just smokes it 10/10 and the guy next to him is struggling to hit the 16" plate with his 338. That guy asked what my buddy was shooting and his face was utter disappointment when he said it was a dasher.
The most returned rifles in the world are 338LM's. Meanwhile everyone is happy with their 204's.Should be, and honestly I was surprised he was struggling to hit the plate. But not everyone knows how to effectively use their tools.
It's so much fun. My local range only goes to 1000 and has a 10" plate out there. One day my buddy comes over with his dasher and just smokes it 10/10 and the guy next to him is struggling to hit the 16" plate with his 338. That guy asked what my buddy was shooting and his face was utter disappointment when he said it was a dasher.
I am putting together a 6MM BR and recently found IMR 4166 powder and didn't want an 8lb jug if it wouldn't work well in the BR. I am going to use Lapua brass with the Berger 109s and 108 Hornadys out of a 26" barrel.
Any of you have experience with IMR 4166 powder in your 6MM BR with the heavier bullets? Appreciate any insight, loads, velocities, etc.
Excellent - thank you... I will post up some results once I put it together. It's not too easy to find info other than the standard ~30 grs Varget with 105s.ive used 16lbs of it. very close to varget. very temp stable.
id start load workup at 28 gr and go from
there. my sweet spot was just under 30 iirc
GL
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Out of my AI AX 26” Win Tac 6BR 30.4grs Varget, BR4’s, 105gr Berger HT, 1.645 CBTO moving at 2910fps have been absolutely moneyI luv Discord, I was able to get 5lbs of Varget from Natchez and 5lbs from MidSouth this week. I should be GTG for the 6BR, well, once the AI AT-X arrives. Seems 30 - 30.5grs of Varget in Lapua Brass over the Berger 105 is a hammer, but I'll work up a load for the AI.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Out of my AI AX 26” Win Tac 6BR 30.4grs Varget, BR4’s, 105gr Berger HT, 1.645 CBTO moving at 2910fps have been absolutely money
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29.8grs was 2850fps over 6rds with SD 4.2 ES 10^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By chance, did you also find a speed node in the 2850-2875 range or did you just stick with what was working?
That’s the same article I read and determined to try .060” as well.
I also have some 4895, and VV150 to tray. @orkan is onto something with H4530 which I have as well. I think he’s shooting the larger capacity variants on the BR though, but worth a shot.
My lands were at 1.802”. I was able to find them with the barrel off and extracting with my finger nail.