77 gr Sierra SMK’s deer hunting
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You must like gut shooting elk at 700 because of a bad wind call and “mUh 3O0 WiN mAg WiLl BlOw ThEm 2 pIeCiEs”
I shot them with some 140 hybrids. Should have used some Remington core lokt to kill them even deader.
I probably haven't killed near as many deer as some here but I've killed more deer with a 55gr core-lokt than anything. Fired out of a 22-250 though. I always shot high shoulder because I knew I was under gunned. Bang flop every time. Most of the time I got complete pass through. Admittedly, the deer are not real big here in southeast TX.
A couple more 77 grain 5.56 kills fired from 10.5” and 14.5” barrels.
But now that I know “bone crushing” is what gets the job done I’m working up a new load so I can take the sloppiest possible shots and still be an ethical hunter:
It’s not super accurate but leg shots should be fine because “bone crushing”. Wish me luck, gents!
But now that I know “bone crushing” is what gets the job done I’m working up a new load so I can take the sloppiest possible shots and still be an ethical hunter:
It’s not super accurate but leg shots should be fine because “bone crushing”. Wish me luck, gents!
How did you get close enough without wearing $650 worth of 4D camouflage?
Hornady podcast talked about this.. People are very uncertain when it comes to hunting, especially with bullets and guns. This is where myths, superstitions and traditions shape how people behave.
TMK has, regardless of how it originally was supposed/designed, a textbook penetration. Not only that, but it is very reliable also.
Add to this the hunting culture of the past century where the calibers just kept getting bigger and bigger. But last 40-20 years have seen great leaps in bullet design and manufacturing, along with barrels being better made.
Hornady also said that there are things that the copper bullets cannot do but the goverments are everywhere driving for copper bullets and so they have to have them in their portfolio, although they have redeeming qualities. For the casual hunter the new shiny bullet from new package might just instill some faith in the next hunt.
Hunting culture is in big break through over here, older hunters have a rep of slightly bad gun handling, inaccuracy and they dislike using mil fatigues and guns for hunting among many other ..grievances.. In some cases the generation gap is too big and the kids rather stay out if it altogether or make their own clubs.
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TMK has, regardless of how it originally was supposed/designed, a textbook penetration. Not only that, but it is very reliable also.
Add to this the hunting culture of the past century where the calibers just kept getting bigger and bigger. But last 40-20 years have seen great leaps in bullet design and manufacturing, along with barrels being better made.
Hornady also said that there are things that the copper bullets cannot do but the goverments are everywhere driving for copper bullets and so they have to have them in their portfolio, although they have redeeming qualities. For the casual hunter the new shiny bullet from new package might just instill some faith in the next hunt.
Hunting culture is in big break through over here, older hunters have a rep of slightly bad gun handling, inaccuracy and they dislike using mil fatigues and guns for hunting among many other ..grievances.. In some cases the generation gap is too big and the kids rather stay out if it altogether or make their own clubs.
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What I love the most is people are actually showing verifiable evidence of this bullet working, yet a certain “man” keeps arguing and showing no evidence of his own to back up his “claims”.
Sounds about par for the course for the same individual time and time again.
Sounds about par for the course for the same individual time and time again.
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Thank you,
Been meaning to look and see what I actually use after reading your post. It’s a #64 or .036” bit to clean the tips and ever so slightly enlarge the opening of mine.
You really look like you need a hunting partner. If you ever feel you will have a hard time filling those tags just hit me up! I promise to only bring my 223 too if it’ll help
Savage rifles can't shoot, let alone kill deer. You are a fraud. Nice photoshop!
ETA: Forgot the the smiley face for just joking. I am surprised I didn't crack the fucking website!
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This clip should be used as the primary evidence that women should no longer be allowed to vote
Elk are slab sided, meaning from top of back to bottom of chest they are much bigger than a mature deer, but width wise, Not that much wider than a mature muley or whitetail. And the mythical elk shoulder is just that… a myth. Have you looked at a boned out elk scapula? It’s about as thick as cardboard.
Bullet selection and shot placement are much more important than caliber and energy. A fragmenting/tumbling 77gr .223 creates one hell of a wound channel.
Right between its soulful little eyes
300wm would have killed it deader.
Every year, it is the same tiresome discussion. I won't get into the subject matter itself, but let me suggest something in the category of data collection.
The premise is, that contrary to manufacturer recommendations, a light, fast, small caliber, thinly jacketed bullet is adequate for trophy bull elk and other big game.
But is a sample size of one, or two, or three animals meaningful to support the argument? Of course not.
Small sample sizes increase the margin of error in a study. They reduce the confidence level in a study. At best, what we see here are anecdotal examples.
Additionally, positive evidence supporting the premise must be balanced by negative evidence, yet we see none. Where are the stories of these bullets striking animals and not resulting in a humane kill? Is the study valid and reliable if all the data points are positive ones? Of course not. Is it possible that those who brag about their humane kills have also recorded inhumane wounding? Of course it is. And what was that ratio of humane kills to inhumane wounding?
Similarly, people brag about their winning stock picks. But they never confess their losers
So, let the discussion proceed. Let the mud fly. But keep in mind that small sample sizes and biased data collection reduce the statistical power of the study.
The premise is, that contrary to manufacturer recommendations, a light, fast, small caliber, thinly jacketed bullet is adequate for trophy bull elk and other big game.
But is a sample size of one, or two, or three animals meaningful to support the argument? Of course not.
Small sample sizes increase the margin of error in a study. They reduce the confidence level in a study. At best, what we see here are anecdotal examples.
Additionally, positive evidence supporting the premise must be balanced by negative evidence, yet we see none. Where are the stories of these bullets striking animals and not resulting in a humane kill? Is the study valid and reliable if all the data points are positive ones? Of course not. Is it possible that those who brag about their humane kills have also recorded inhumane wounding? Of course it is. And what was that ratio of humane kills to inhumane wounding?
Similarly, people brag about their winning stock picks. But they never confess their losers
So, let the discussion proceed. Let the mud fly. But keep in mind that small sample sizes and biased data collection reduce the statistical power of the study.
200+ pages of evidence
.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.
DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...
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Thanks. Been reading those pages for about 5 years now.200+ pages of evidence
.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.
DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...
Well I have this of a hunters sons Buck shot front of the shoulder with a Mono metal expanding bullet, just a week ago. Three hours later my dog tracked & caught wounded deer so we could ethically dispatch it.
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Good job on tracking and dispatching that buck.
Well, a shot placed front of the shoulder isn't a great place to expect a quick kill. There's not much there in the vitals department. Any bullet could have resulted in that.
So there is no point mentioning the bullet type.That’s the point. Shot Placement is
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Maybe that theory will carry over into PRS shooting for you? Just shoot an obscenely large caliber and you will get credited for more hits cause it was “close” enough.
Seems logical to me
I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have said it if there wasn’t. But I’ll help you, Point is no bullet type or rifle size makes up for bad shot placement. Pretty simple
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Aren’t most hunters that are using hounds to tree cats using small caliber rounds still? Mostly 22 or 22mag to prevent messing up the fur that bad correct?
Then Murphy makes you fuck up and blow their jaw off and they die from starvation.
No I thought mentioning shot placement being most important explained importance of any caliber/bullet. All good
And yes I shoot mono’s as well, I like light and fast with them. I hot rod these to about 3500 fps in a light weight custom 264 wm.
This Murphy guy sounds like a huge prick.
To add my $.02, I’ve been hunting with Amax bullets for four years.
So far, so good.
As mentioned many times over, it’s shot placement that matters most.
If viable, I’ll take a head/neck shot. The ones I have taken were in the prone position, allowing for Murphy to stay his ass out of the woods.
TTSX are some tuff constructed muthers appropriately matched for tuff muther hogs!
20 something years ago I was using M855 and 77SMK on hogs. Sometimes they would drop on the run with one shot. (Shot placement) Sometimes they would run like nothing happened (cartridge/cal/bullet construction) only to be found 1/2 mile away with blood coming out every natural orifice, plus 5 more 5.56 holes. So, I switched to a 308 with 155 Amax and the results were fucking night & day! Hit off the kill switch or the vitals, and the hog would at least sit is ass down or pause for a follow up to take its ass out. Well, fuck there I go coffee posting going offt-tehe rails talking about an entirely different critter!
No clue. I have never and will never use dogs to hunt.
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I just know it’s big out west to hunt cats with hounds.
I don’t like dog hunting either
Incorrect. It is a CNS shot. Spines them. It is all I shoot and have shot since I was a kid other than a just a few times. I kill 6-8 deer and damn near as many hogs each year. Shoot them In front point of the shoulder/base of neck and they will drop without taking a step even with small cartridges like .222 rem and a 30carbine.
I would like to see where that bullet actually hit that the deer didn’t hit the ground dead. I bet really low in the neck aka flesh wound. Obviously anything can and does happen so there is that.
Red marks the spot.
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The shot and the deer in question wasn't hit in the spine now was it? If it were, it wouldn't have traveled so far to need dogs to track it now would it?
I believe I mentioned that in the post you quoted. That deer likely wasn’t shot in front of the shoulder where I pointed to. If it were, which I doubt, it is just one of those things that can happen I suppose. I alluded to that as well in the same post.
I like to spine them too, expect it seems to do the job by following the leg straight up to top of shoulder and let fly. Larger area of incapacitation round dem parts.
High shoulder ruins backstrap and front of shoulder ruins quit a bit of neck meat. Both should send the animal, any animal, straight down. I added a photo in my post of a doe I shot. She fell so fast that the top of her head slapped her back.
Nah, just the temporary wound cavity/bubble fucks them up.
That doe hit area is new to me. What was the cartridge?
Since this has been a hot topic with calibers and bullets. This morning, 300yds, hunter pulled his shot to far back, 308 150 gr corelokt. My dog found it several hundred yards away very much alive. Bigger guns don’t help bad shot placement.
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