7mm short magnums.

[Sniperwannabee]

 

[Jackomason]

I'm on the front range

Figured. I'm west, up in the mountains.

 

[FredHammer]

I sure learnt my lesson about:
Match reamers and what the numbers really mean...
Chamber neck clearance
Brass neck wall thickness
AI fireforming brass
Neck turning
Donuts, and seating the bullet on them
kaboom.
Differences between open/CRF bolt faces and enclosed "3 rings of steel" bolt faces on how they handle/direct over pressure. Real FO after the FA kinda shit.

If anybody is shooting rounds with the bullet seated below the donut they are lucky they have enough chamber clearance to handle that major unaddressed terrible condition as it pertains to both safety & precision.

 

[Geno C.]

Safety and precision? You’re joking, right?!

 

[Long Range 338]

I sure learnt my lesson about:
Match reamers and what the numbers really mean...
Chamber neck clearance
Brass neck wall thickness
AI fireforming brass
Neck turning
Donuts, and seating the bullet on them
kaboom.
Differences between open/CRF bolt faces and enclosed "3 rings of steel" bolt faces on how they handle/direct over pressure. Real FO after the FA kinda shit.

If anybody is shooting rounds with the bullet seated below the donut they are lucky they have enough chamber clearance to handle that major unaddressed terrible condition as it pertains to both safety & precision.

Please elaborate

 

[XTREM HTR16]

Gotta love it - looks like the OP uses ChatGPT to write an article that doesn’t tell us squat, and then everybody argues about it….

 

[Ronws]

I think, as much crap as they get, hornady has figured out what "balanced" means. Aside from the 6.5 PRC the rest of the PRC line (to include the 22 ARC) aims to shoot heavy for caliber bullets 2900-3000fps with relatively efficient case design in a 24" barrel. That's what the Valkyrie tried to do also but was much happier at slower speeds.

Really 2800-3000 fps is plenty good, within that band preformance is pretty predictable out to 600 yards (hunting distances), barrel life is pretty good, brass life is pretty good and accuracy is good without straining things.

Most cartridges fit into this category as long as they are set up to handle heavier bullets. But I guess that's my point, for the most part, the caliber debate is over marginal gains.

I shot my 7-6.5 PRC against some much more capable calibers (300 NM, 338LM, 30 Nos etc.) and did pretty well, and that was with 162gr eld's.

Where are you shooting 9000' ASL? You've gotta be pretty close to my area.

^ this right here. Earlier this year, I got a 7 PRC. I have been so pleased with the results and so, I went hunting with it Friday. No harvest. I was halfway down a small hill overlooking a creek and the next hill rises above it. So, I ranged three locations. The creek bed, about 50 yards. Another small tree half way up, 102 yards. A line of tall grass and small trees behind that. Ran my solver for the middle and far. And it is such a flat shooter that really, holding fractions around the 100 yard zero. So, it's like having an MPBR even though I actually zeroed it for 100 yards. And 300 yards is my comfortable distance. Certainly would not need to shoot past 600 yards.

Some might say, well, you could do that with a .350 Legend. True. But if I have this kind of precision and performance, I will get the target I have selected.

As for impact performance, I could play it safe and choose the general impact velocity of 2k fps. The 175 gr ELD-X is still over 2k at 750 yards, which is farther than I am going to shoot at a game animal.

I have heard that if you have a 7 RM, you don't need the PRC. And plenty of people have done just fine with the 7 RM for a really long time.

I did not have 7 before, or even a long action, certainly not a magnum. So, the 7 PRC is it for me. And I expect others to get one simply because they are neat.

 

[Ronws]

A hundred yards? Shewww? Good thing you up-gunned to the 7PRC.

I could also target shoot longer ranges when I am ready to do so. And, in the past, I have been hunting with .308 W. That was described to me by someone else here as a "shit" round. Still where I hunt with distances varying from 70 yards to 250, so far.

Also, if I win the draw for a mule deer out west, I can be confident in that. And maybe once before I die, an elk tag. I like having a rifle that can perform at all those distances for the different jobs.

I would also ask you tell me why you think it is good that I "traded up" to a 7 mm PRC? All I can do is learn.

 

[Im2bent]

I could also target shoot longer ranges when I am ready to do so. And, in the past, I have been hunting with .308 W. That was described to me by someone else here as a "shit" round. Still where I hunt with distances varying from 70 yards to 250, so far.

Also, if I win the draw for a mule deer out west, I can be confident in that. And maybe once before I die, an elk tag. I like having a rifle that can perform at all those distances for the different jobs.

I would also ask you tell me why you think it is good that I "traded up" to a 7 mm PRC? All I can do is learn.

There's nothing wrong with 308 from 70 to 250 yards whoever told you that was a dick.

 

[JJMoody]

I would and do recommend a 308 as the easy button for close range hunting. Buy factory ammo and be done.

 

[Ronws]

There's nothing wrong with 308 from 70 to 250 yards whoever told you that was a dick.

Yeah, but he was the expert and I am not.

 

[Jackomason]

I guess the only thing that switching to a 7 PRC would hurt is your wallet... maybe your shoulder.... maybe the hunter in the next bush over?

If you get your ES/SD low enough you might even make 300 yards a high probability shot.

That was a joke BTW, nothing really matters at that distance (other than the obvious).

 

[Ronws]

I'm no expert but I reach for a smaller rifle with milder recoil that has less energy in target for hunting whitetails under 300yds. It sounds like you have aspirations for that rifle and hunting this year is just a fun excuse to use it.

I remember growing up on the east coast everyone was using 264 Win Mags, 7RM, 300WM, and 270's for hunting these 90lb deer. When I started going back home to hunt I started downsizing every year. I started off with a 6.5 SAUM shooting 130gr HVLDs and body shots. Blew up a bunch of meat. Came back the next year with a 6 Creedmoor and 90gr TGKs. Blew up more meat even hitting them behind the shoulder. But I started taking head shots. Next year I used a 100gr Ballistic Tip in a 6.5 Grendel. That was Goldilocks but I disliked the rifle and those bullets are discontinued, so I rebarreled the 6 Creed to a shorter 6.5 Creed and loaded up 120gr Gold Dots at 2780. Last year I shot 3 but they were all head shots. And ranged from 65yds to 114yds. But that's my current preferred east coast whitetail ballistics. I own a 7 WSM but I only use it out here in the west. I would not purport it's virtues from an east coast whitetail perspective. But that's just my opinion.

Whatever floats a boat.
I always remind myself that it is not the rifle as much as it is the shooter.

Rob Arrington at deermeatfordinner went to visit friends in the Cree Nation in Canada and got this moose at some nice distance (looks to my eye to be somewhere between 200 and 300 yards.) Howa 1500 in 6.5 Creedmoor with the Precision Hunter 143 gr ELD-X. Burris Eliminator III. One shot. Practice helps. For me, I would think the 6.5 CM is a bit light but certainly, one would think, if it can handle a moose, it can handle a deer.

I manage my recoil with the 7 PRC.

Go to 03:45 for the action.

 

[FuhQ]

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2002 called, it wants its cartridge back...

 

[FuhQ]

I could also target shoot longer ranges when I am ready to do so. And, in the past, I have been hunting with .308 W. That was described to me by someone else here as a "shit" round. Still where I hunt with distances varying from 70 yards to 250, so far.

Also, if I win the draw for a mule deer out west, I can be confident in that. And maybe once before I die, an elk tag. I like having a rifle that can perform at all those distances for the different jobs.

I would also ask you tell me why you think it is good that I "traded up" to a 7 mm PRC? All I can do is learn.

What moron said the .308 Win is a "shit round"??? People are just retarded. The .308 Win has been successfully dispatching targets from PB to +1,000 meters since its inception. I would be willing to bet that on the battlefield, the .308 Win has successfully eliminated more marks than any other sniper round in (U.S.) history.

Are there better LR hunting options? Sure. But for inside of 750-800 yards, the .308 Win is still going to get the job done with proper shot placement.

 

[Ronws]

What moron said the .308 Win is a "shit round"??? People are just retarded. The .308 Win has been successfully dispatching targets from PB to +1,000 meters since its inception. I would be willing to bet that on the battlefield, the .308 Win has successfully eliminated more marks than any other sniper round in (U.S.) history.

Are there better LR hunting options? Sure. But for inside of 750-800 yards, the .308 Win is still going to get the job done with proper shot placement.

Well, a few other hide members joined in to support his summation. It was agreed that I had a shit rifle, a shit round (Federal Fusion 165 gr.) Others applauded his description of my set-up. So, TLDR, I learn to STFU and simply enjoy the carnage of the Pit.

And learn some technical stuff here and there, too. Or solutions others might have to a problem.

But I have learned how to draw fire. Just post. Anything. Doesn't matter what, just post it.

 

[FuhQ]

Well, a few other hide members joined in to support his summation. It was agreed that I had a shit rifle, a shit round (Federal Fusion 165 gr.) Others applauded his description of my set-up. So, TLDR, I learn to STFU and simply enjoy the carnage of the Pit.

And learn some technical stuff here and there, too. Or solutions others might have to a problem.

But I have learned how to draw fire. Just post. Anything. Doesn't matter what, just post it.

Yeah, well... Nobody ever said we didn't have bunch of fucking retards, loudmouths, and know-it-alls here. Also, a bunch of assclowns who think that only their opinion is correct, and anything else they don't like or approve of is a piece of shit. And if you happen to have a positive experience with said POS, then you're a liar and a shill. At which point, threads tend to devolve into a college football locker room with all the ego pushing and name calling...

 

[Ronws]

Yeah, well... Nobody ever said we didn't have bunch of fucking retards, loudmouths, and know-it-alls here. Also, a bunch of assclowns who think that only their opinion is correct, and anything else they don't like or approve of is a piece of shit. And if you happen to have a positive experience with said POS, then you're a liar and a shill. At which point, threads tend to devolve into a college football locker room with all the ego pushing and name calling...

Fortunately, that only happens on days that end in the letter 'y'.

 

[FuhQ]

Fortunately, that only happens on days that end in the letter 'y'.

The problem is, nobody ever does anything about the retards. They let them roam free without their safety helmets on to just spout-off on their keyboards like a bunch of moron Fudds that still think Trump is pro-gun, the NRA is actually fighting for our rights, and that voting even matters or makes any difference...

 

[Conrad]

Once upon a time I had a 7 SAUM barrel with modified mags for a DT rifle. It was badass seating the bullets out to maximize case capacity. SAUM made a resurgence enough so that ADG pumped some brass out. But I’m afraid the 7 PRC will damper its momentum. Great case but long action + 7 PRC = easy button. No fretting over lengths, mags, performance etc. At this point I see the 7 saum and SSs for the guy who needs to throw a prefit on his short action and hunt with the very good 160-170 class bullets out there.

My 22” 7 PRC pushes 175-190 class bullets anywhere from 2850 to 3050 (pressure over 3100) depending on bullet and if I’m using R26 or H1000. Not saying I settled on 3100. 3000+ is a good spot with 175+R26. Have a mild load of H1000 and 190 LRHT that I’ll shoot in the summer, but it’s primarily a hunting rifle.

 

[Jimichanga]

I love me some 7wsm. So easy to load for and those 180 vlds smash elk. I was late to the 7wsm party when I bought one in 2016. I only had 100 pieces of win brass. A couple of years ago Winchester did another run and I bought 500 pieces. Unfortunately my barrel died at just under 1k. That said, I was not very nice to it.
Win brass, win mag primer and 66.9 RL26 under a 180vld loaded to mag length gave me 3005 and amazing groups. It was stupid easy to load for. Those fat assed cartridges kind of sucked feeding out of a wyatt box mag kit but I switched over to detachable mags and it fed.
I really need to rebarrel the old girl

 

[Michael Glenn]

Gotta love it - looks like the OP uses ChatGPT to write an article that doesn’t tell us squat, and then everybody argues about it….

I have been working on my next article, if you have any questions I'm happy to answer them I recognize that nothing I said is solid and there are always other options to choose from my goal in this is to develop a string of articles and information to assist in the decision making process when it comes to building or buying custom guns. My target audience is more along the lines of my newer customers when my 07 FFL comes back.