8 minute response time

[RedRyder]

So, according to this article London popo took 8 minutes to respond to the latest vehicle-borne terrorism (see link below). I wonder though if the SAS was somewhere in the action.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...st-attack.html

 

[sirhrmechanic]

The Flying Squad has more than a few ex-SAS on it. But IMHO, there is no way the SAS was activated and on scene that fast. Even if they were pre-staged. Had to be the 'Met.

But the Flying Squad has a long history of being on top of things... All the way back to the '20s; and '30s!

And it's great response. Comes, in part, from the fact that there are 1/2 million cameras aimed at the streets of London. I doubt there is a dark ally you can hide in. When the control center gets you in their sights... they can steer the hard squad in real fast.

I guess that is one of the benefits of having no 4th Amendment in the UK. There is an interesting debate about the 24/7/every inch surveillance state. What was science fiction back when "Enemy of the State" came out... is now child's play.

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

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8 minutes is a fucking eternity when you are fighting for your life.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

^^^ Ain't that the truth!

But 8 minutes in London may not get you one block in traffic....

It's a hell of a good response. Especially considering the distances involved.

But for those being cleaved in a pub... eternity is right!

Good point, MC.

Sirhr

 

[Maser]

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

As the saying goes... "I carry a gun, because carrying a police officer is too much work..."

This is why being armed... matters. If you can carry... do. If you can't carry... get trained and licensed so you can. If you live in a place where you can't carry a firearm... find something else to carry.

Fight back. Never quit. If you're not fighting back... you are part of the problem...

Right on, Maser!!!

Sirhr

 

[buffalowinter]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...get yourself a dog holster!

 

[Clearlight]

Good response from local talent , anyone who has been to London knows the vehicular
mobility issues there . If you want a faster response , then it's a team of hard chargers on
dirt bikes on every block ; not going to happen unless you want to live in Stasi land ...

its up to the ' islamic community ' to monitor and out these fucktards ( I may be dreaming
there ) . London is a long way from Aus both geo and socially , the composition of any
particular crowd of people is going to be different from suburb to city , country to country .

Try this shit near a rugby match in Aus and haji will get fucked up by the crowd pretty quick .
Near a cafe in the gheyer parts of town , very different outcome....

The burden of response to these attacks lies with the people present unfortunately .
Private handgun ownership is not allowed in the U.K. Time to always carry a jacket in
London , and a ( possibly illegal ) baton or other none edged weapon ; I would hope the
Met Police turn a blind eye to citizens with defensive weapons at this time ....

 

[sandwarrior]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...get yourself a dog holster!
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What is so classic is the looks on the dogs faces. As if to say, "Dad we've been down this road before...if you just let me loose, I can take care of everything..."

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[Quarter Horse]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...get yourself a dog holster!

Absolutely the funniest post in the years that I've been on SH. I'd love to know the origin of the picture. The dog in the back is obviously looking at the photographer and the look says "I see you and if your a target your Fk'd".

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Was there at least some cops already there when it started?

 

[MtnCreek]

No mag in rifle and carrying a glock in what looks like a sig holster.

 

[supercorndogs]

No mag in rifle and carrying a glock in what looks like a sig holster.

That one dog, is just staring down the other dogs butt hole.

 

[buffalowinter]

Those are Israeli's, of course.

 

[Dirty D]

...This is why being armed... matters. If you can carry... do. If you can't carry... get trained and licensed so you can. If you live in a place where you can't carry a firearm... find something else to carry...

Sirhr

Some basic baton skills and a thick hickory cane can go with you anywhere including thru airport security.

 

[Slash0311]

I did read one article where a police officer on scene went after the knife wielding POS armed only with a baton. Officer was in the hospital with stab wounds to the face and body.

Gents, let that sink in. Who here would step up to the plate with a bad guy armed with a knife and all you have is a baton? To me, that's what holding the thin blue line means. It's also part of the job where Sheepdogs defend the sheep against the wolves.

I'm thankful every day that I live in a country where I can carry a Glock on duty and concealed off duty.

 

[bogeybrown]

I did read one article where a police officer on scene went after the knife wielding POS armed only with a baton. Officer was in the hospital with stab wounds to the face and body.

Gents, let that sink in. Who here would step up to the plate with a bad guy armed with a knife and all you have is a baton? To me, that's what holding the thin blue line means. It's also part of the job where Sheepdogs defend the sheep against the wolves.

I'm thankful every day that I live in a country where I can carry a Glock on duty and concealed off duty.

I read that too and had to marvel at the officer's courage. IIRC he's been on the Force about 2yrs or so. Balls of steel on that one and I hope they assign him someplace where he can get some real payback once he's recovered.

 

[Foul Mike]

Maybe all of this shit will get the Brits to thinking about why guns are so bad when the bad guys have guns and are killing the Brits with them.
On second thought, Na, that is but a pipe dream. FM

 

[308pirate]

Maybe all of this shit will get the Brits to thinking about why guns are so bad when the bad guys have guns and are killing the Brits with them.

Ya that's not gonna happen........https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/stay-safe-film

 

[kortik]

I wonder if the modern science can come up the dog having the same head (jaw-teeth) size as shown,
but with a lot smaller body.

That should make it easier for these guys to carry...

The next step, obviously, is CDP - Concealed Dog Permit for civilians...

 

[Rthur]

Ya that's not gonna happen........https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/stay-safe-film

That video is truly fucking sad.
How much they have lost from the Battle of Britain.

R

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Some basic baton skills and a thick hickory cane can go with you anywhere including thru airport security.

I carry a Mondanock in EU. Carried one for 13 years on the beat... and spent hours training with them. It's the next best thing to have in a country full of sharp things. Technically, also a no-no. But I've taken it through railroad station metal detectors with no issues. Never been questioned. Fits in a pocket of my Rothco jacket just pretty as you please. Monadanock passes as a camera monopod...

Short of someone with a machete... it's a great device to use against most stabbing implements. A hit from an extendable baton to the head, kidney area or neck is considered use of lethal force in U.S. The Japanese police (who also don't carry firearms( can (and have) killed perps with a single blow from a baton. Then again, they know all that Samurai stuff. Batons in the hands of folks trained to use them are the next best thing to a firearm or a taser. Sure as hell better than a knife against a knife.

And a hickory cane is good... a hickory cane that has been drilled out and had a stainless steel bar fitted into the end... is better! Though probably won't pass airport security muster...

Cheers,

Sirhr

 

[Dirty D]

I had to look up the Mondanock, oh how I miss and don't miss Asp training, those fucking training batons sting like a bitch when administered properly.

 

[bogeybrown]

I carry a Mondanock in EU. Carried one for 13 years on the beat... and spent hours training with them. It's the next best thing to have in a country full of sharp things. Technically, also a no-no. But I've taken it through railroad station metal detectors with no issues. Never been questioned. Fits in a pocket of my Rothco jacket just pretty as you please. Monadanock passes as a camera monopod...

Short of someone with a machete... it's a great device to use against most stabbing implements. A hit from an extendable baton to the head, kidney area or neck is considered use of lethal force in U.S. The Japanese police (who also don't carry firearms( can (and have) killed perps with a single blow from a baton. Then again, they know all that Samurai stuff. Batons in the hands of folks trained to use them are the next best thing to a firearm or a taser. Sure as hell better than a knife against a knife.

And a hickory cane is good... a hickory cane that has been drilled out and had a stainless steel bar fitted into the end... is better! Though probably won't pass airport security muster...

Cheers,

Sirhr

Back when we were having our PR24's taken away in the wake of Rodney King there were several little tricks some of us came up with for our straight sticks. One of my favorites was to remove the end cap of the aluminum stick and insert a battery (IIRC a D-cell would fit). As you delivered a baton strike that battery would slide to the tip and give a nice boost in delivered energy.
A buddy of mine back then was a legit martial arts badass that had spent years learning Japanese edged weapons. He had a baton custom made from cocobolo wood in the general shape of a katana but with a "blade" of relatively thin diameter. He could deliver a little "pop" with it, using just his wrist, that could shatter a forearm if he so desired. It was a wickedly effective attention-getter.

 

[sandwarrior]

Those are Israeli's, of course.

'Cause they're so bad-ass they don't have to carry mags in the rifles. Besides, they have dogs that are so bad-assed they could kill you just by looking at you.
These are like Chuck Norris dogs. They don't kill you, they just force you into a position where you wished you were dead...

 

[RedRyder]

Just came across this - SAS is deploying to the streets of London -

 

[Guest]

Shooot.....I thought it was bring your wife to work day.