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Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hogrider2003flht</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rusty815; I have a 2 year old 10FP and made the mistake of putting the bypod on the end of the stock, had round flying high right at 300 yds. Found that the stock was flexing moved bypod back to second mounting point that cured the problem. As to the 1/2 moa groups my rifle will shot them if I do everything right: but I'm not good enough to shoot that kind of grouping consistantly. </div></div>

I had to compensate for shooting high, its not difficult, but its annoying when I have the scope adjusted for shooting normally at 500 yards, then I put the bipod on it and I have to readjust the scope, thats why I ordered a stockade stock, hopefully I get it within the next couple months.
 
Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...878#Post3025878


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hogrider2003flht</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Graham: +1 100 Everyone on this post needs to read this link. Should put a lot of this to rest. It did open my eyes </div></div>

Put a lot of <span style="font-style: italic">what</span> to rest?

I read the entire thread and I agree with CoryT ( and a couple of others) at least...

There was so much pervasive arrogance exuding from some posts that seemed to be more about ingratiation than helping anyone understand anything and had little if any useful information... Wow...I was to annoyed to gain much from that thread.

But hey...what do I know I've only a couple hands full of posts on the <span style="font-style: italic">Hide</span> so I'm sure I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground.

Just Wow...

Anyway...back on subject...I'm a firm believer in the 1/2 MOA gun...however...a 1/2 MOA gun/bullet/shooter combination every time is virtually an impossibility. To much physics and to many external influences are involved... but hey...that's my definition as applied to me...

Perspectives may vary.
 
Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

Yes I also agree with CoryT, and also believe that there are 1/2 moa rifles out there but not as many as I've seen posted on the hide by savage owners. I'm not knocking savage rifles as I own one and have ordered another. Savage makes an accurate and less expensive rifle than many others and those that post 1/2moa groups and post them on the hide are just very happy their guns shoot as well as they do; as for the poa verses poi I find it makes for a tighter grouping if I raise my elevation on my scope 2 moa that way I'm not trying to hold over the center of a hole that may get larger as I shoot. But that's me. I still have a lot to do to hone my skills as a marksman.
 
Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

Here's a pic of my new model 12 223 and some groups.

I fired 3 shot groups because I had a bunch of ammo to try in my new rifle and I didn't want fouling to be an issue. Now that I've narrowed things down a bit I can start shooting 5 shot groups.

All groups fired at 100 yards.

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Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

Not .5 but .595 (.895 oto) from a Stevens receiver and FACTORY .308 barrel, this is an average group for the rifle.

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Is it not a custom and won't shoot with the customs that I have seen but I don't feel like paying an extra $2k for that last 1/4 moa.
 
Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dirty D</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not .5 but .595 (.895 oto) from a Stevens receiver and FACTORY .308 barrel, this is an average group for the rifle.

Is it not a custom and won't shoot with the customs that I have seen but I don't feel like paying an extra $2k for that last 1/4 moa. </div></div>
Buying a MOA or "sub MOA" rifle these days isn't difficult. With new metallurgy and more consistent machining and manufacturing processes, good "out of the box" rifles are the norm more than the exception as in the years of past. When you get to the extreme of 1/2 to sub half MOA yes you are going to pay extra for that last 1/8-1/4 MOA. The reason why is because to achieve those results consistently require a true Master gunsmith like those at Gradous, Surgeon, APA, GAP, Tac OPS, etc... You are paying for that experience and attention to detail that requires that near perfection that cannot be achieved through mass production as in Remington or Savage. Yes these two make wonderful affordable everyday man rifles. But when you want to push a rifle and it's ammo to they're max effective ranges and your max abilities, or if you use your rifle in your proffesion, then that extra money can be difference between a trophy or even more precious your life.
Watch this please
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Re: The legend of the 1/2 MOA Savage

My rifle consistently prints in the .5 moa range (5 rd groups shot from a bipod, prone in a grass field), if I could tighten the loose nut behind the stock it may be capable of better
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I love my $1k rifle but it IS NOT built to the same standards as one of Jered's, Robert's, Sal's, Terry's etc rifles. I have spent time behind the stock of several of Robert Snyder's builds and they are CONSISTENTLY sub 1/4" rifles, that last 1/4" costs on average $2k. $2k pays for alot of reloading components and gas to the range. I have never claimed my Savage will shoot with a good custom but it consistently shoots better than it should for being a factory Stevens receiver and factory barrel.

Thanks for the video, I am no stranger to machining tolerances in very expensive parts and Jered's results are impressive.