Range Report A bullet CANNOT knock someone/thing over can it?

[mgd45]

Re: A bullet CANNOT knock someone/thing over can it?

So if I could hunt with a round that maintained say 80 or 90% of it's original weight....then I could be reasonable sure that 80 or 90% of it's energy dumped into the animal? Sounds good to me!

 

[noname]

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just a thought here-- if the bullet punches a hole through the tissue-- the tissue doesn't offer the amt. of resistence needed to stop that amt. of energy. -- which would seem obvious -- but isn't it nice to know the shooter isn't on the short side of the energy equation.

 

[Short-bus]

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Mythbusters showed it did....whaddya think about that? Go back and watch that video in the third or fourth post. 'course if you watch it, you'll see that a 50 cal only has about the same power as a baseball..... </div></div>

Cool episode.

As mentioned before, the physics, inertial mass, and force of the 50 cal bullet will be the same on the sending and receiving end.

A 50 cal rifle fired offhand MAY knock down a few shooters.

But the pressure of a 50 cal entering a "closed body mass" will cause it in many cases to literally explode.

That's another form of knockdown power.

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That video is of marmots, it's not a .50 shooting humans. You may "swear" that you see a "human arm" and what not, but in sniper engagements, the .50 bmg doesn't cause people to explode like prairie dogs. The .50 does cause significant tissue damage, however even at close range normal sized men don't explode into little bits from a hit from a .50. Now, if you have the 'ol ma deuce, and put a bunch of rounds over and over through said individual, then you're going to have a heck of a mess.

Until you've looked through the scope and sent a .50 round through them and seen what it does first hand, don't pretend to assume you know what happens.

Branden

 

[rero360]

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There was an incident at a military range back a while ago, I forget the where and when, just remember reading about it in an accident report kind of thing.

Unit was at the range shooting the Ma Duces, REMFs show up towards the end of the day to get some trigger time. The REMFs finish up and are tearing down, not bothering to clear the weapons (if they even knew how to) before taking them off the line or bothering to remove the barrels from the weapons. (again, if they even knew how to)

As two soldiers are loading one of the M2s into the back of a HMMWV if IRC the trigger got depressed sending a round right through the one soldier who was holding onto the barrel. Point blank hit to center of the chest. The soldier did end up dying, but again if IRC he lived for a minute or two until shock and blood loss got him.

I do remember that a good number of people had a lot to explain, like why all the range safety personel had left a hot range in the hands of apparently less than qualified individuals.

 

[Short-bus]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rero360</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There was an incident at a military range back a while ago, I forget the where and when, just remember reading about it in an accident report kind of thing.

Unit was at the range shooting the Ma Duces, REMFs show up towards the end of the day to get some trigger time. The REMFs finish up and are tearing down, not bothering to clear the weapons (if they even knew how to) before taking them off the line or bothering to remove the barrels from the weapons. (again, if they even knew how to)

As two soldiers are loading one of the M2s into the back of a HMMWV if IRC the trigger got depressed sending a round right through the one soldier who was holding onto the barrel. Point blank hit to center of the chest. The soldier did end up dying, but again if IRC he lived for a minute or two until shock and blood loss got him.

I do remember that a good number of people had a lot to explain, like why all the range safety personel had left a hot range in the hands of apparently less than qualified individuals.
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I read something similar to this last night, but the basis of the story was different to a degree, the person did take a round from just a foot or so from the 50 and the exit wound was something about the size of a softball. However the person didn't "blow up" or "turn into pieces".

Branden

 

[rero360]

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Exactly, I don't remember what the extent of the damage was done, but it wasn't catastophic other than the fact that he died. I'll see if I can look it up.

 

[rero360]

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I just found this on a Marine Corps safety corner PDF, the accounts of a Jared Foster. Doesn't seem like he's too knoweledgable in ballistics or about weapons in general.



I got shot by a .50-caliber. That's the biggest bullet they have in the military. Theround's about six, seven inches long, maybe half an inch around.It's not meant to go inside people. It's an armor-piercing round. They go through tanks and bricks and stuff. It was an Army weapon that went off, friendly fire.

It hit me in my butt and my lower back. I say I don't have a butt to sit on now,and I really don't.The only thing that saved my life is I was maybe five to 10 feetaway from the .50-cal when it went off, and it didn't have time to tumble and pick up speed and velocity. It went through me, three feet of wood, four feet of a dirt berm, went another 300 yards and hit another dirt berm. I think the angel wings (tattoo) on my back saved me. The.50-cal didn't touch my wings.

My buddies cut my blouse off to find out where the blood was coming from, and from what I remember, my guts and intestines fell out. I was sitting there trying to scoop up my insides, and they threw me back on the cot and were patting me down with gauze to try to stop the bleeding. But the blood was going everywhere. It's hitting my face. It's hitting the ceiling. It's hitting the walls. I felt sorry for the guys who had toclean it up.

The next thing I knew, they dragged me outside on the cot, usingit like a stretcher. They put me in an SUV, and I couldn't fit all the way in, so they were holding my hands and the cot while we rode to the hospital, hitting every bump. From Baghdad, they flew me to Germany; from Germany, to Bethesda, Md., ICU andall that.When I came to at one point, I saw my parents. I don't know how to describe it. They were just there. There's Mom and Dad sitting over me, hovering. They said I got shot by a .50-cal. I went, "Nah. That would rip your head off.“The doctors said they didn't know if they could save me. They didn't know how to put me back together, because they'd never seen anyone shot by a .50-caliber. The hole in my back was huge. But whatever they did worked.

 

[Chanonry]

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For me this is a key point. Despite anyone who wants to tell me otherwise I once shot a roe deer with a 270 at ~200 yards which pivoted violently around its back legs. BIG impact. It didn't topple over, it didn't collapse, it didn't start to run. It got whacked so hard it spun around through about 70 degrees.

Why? The bullet hit the shoulder which I assumed delivered more energy into the deer than poking a hole in the ribs.

It isn't just about momentum, it is about impulse. So the more force that is delivered in a very short time (a solid hit from a big(ish) bullet).

I see what the guys did with the 50 cal, but this does not square with what I witnessed for myself.

 

[Lt. Arclight]

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The answer is NO.--not a PERSON, not with a shoulder fired weapon.

Newton's THIRD law of motion

"To every action,there is an equal and opposite reaction."

End of story. If the recoil of the gun doesn't knock you down-getting struck by the bullet won't knock you down either.

The story about the guy getting hit with the 50. "it didn't have time to tumble AND PICK UP SPEED AND VELOCITY. Can't happen-the bullet NEVER accelerates AFTER it leaves the muzzle-its ALWAYS decelerating LOSING energy.

There are YOU-Tube video's where a guy shoots a Barrett 99 with the muzzle brake taken off the barrel. The recoil knocked the shit out of the guy-but still didn't knock him off the bench.

In 1742 A mathematician from England,Benjamin Robins, invented the ballistic pendulum-basically an 18th century Chronograph-he derived equations to determine the energy that a projectile fired had when it struck this device. He wrote the first book relating to ballistics-"NEW PRICIPLES OF GUNNERY". This "myth" has been proven false-over and over again- its only on TV and the movies that individual shot would get KNOCKED over.

 

[Cartman]

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I posit that if you could magically freeze yourself stiff, and I mean totally stiff, whilst standing straight up, and your rifle could be held completely solid and not allowed to recoil upwards, you could be knocked over by the recoil of some firearms.