A.R. sniper rifles

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Amric</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most people who use the term "Sniper" usually refer to long range, and the term assault usually means close range. Which one are you looking to build? The 6.8 SPC would be more for close range, and the 6.5 Grendel for long range. </div></div>

Most people who use the term sniper are shooting people that shoot back, and usually shoot what is issued them.

Assault usually means shooting people that shoot back at around 300m and in.

6.8 would be good if you have stock in Remington's parent company.



...just me or is this thread an example of the reason we need NOBODY back?
 
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I only shot what was issued....7.62...only until recently did I even get a choice when I became a civilian and tried to become normal again. I just like the round, what can I say?

Everyone can shoot what they like if it isn't an issued weapon. Go buy a Barret 50cal if you want to play captain billy joe badass. Im not here to prove anything. All I want is to be able to eliminate the target when it squeezing the trigger is no longer a choice but a neccesity.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: E3C3H3O3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BUILT TO THE MAX BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lmfao </div></div>

<span style="font-size: 26pt"><span style="font-style: italic">X-TREME!!!!</span></span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only shot what was issued....7.62...only until recently did I even get a choice when I became a civilian and tried to become normal again. I just like the round, what can I say?

Everyone can shoot what they like if it isn't an issued weapon. Go buy a Barret 50cal if you want to play captain billy joe badass. Im not here to prove anything. All I want is to be able to eliminate the target when it squeezing the trigger is no longer a choice but a neccesity.</div></div>

hell all i want is to just be able to hit the target if it's at 100 yds or 1000. I'm a aircraft mechanic by trade, not rambo, shooting for me is a stress reliever, the only firearm that i would train with to "eliminate the target" would be my pistol, in defence of myself or others.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesus. . .try to help a guy and he takes the paddle you hand him and digs a huge hole with it. . . .good luck getting your sniper on bro. </div></div>

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and hit a friggin quarter at 1500y with a hot barrel and a 10mpg cross wind...</div></div>

Not a very fuel efficient crosswind
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and hit a friggin quarter at 1500y with a hot barrel and a 10mpg cross wind...</div></div>

Not a very fuel efficient crosswind
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</div></div>what windage from the septic tank maybe ???
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Navygunman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I currently wanting to build an A.R. style sniper rifle. I realize the rifle does not make you a sniper. With that being said, I am thinking aobut a 6.5 grendel, a 6.5 creedmoor or the 6.8 spc. Im going more for a sniper/assult rifle(As much as possible). I'm thinking of using a Satern barrel. I'm thinking of going with a stage two trigger from http://www.x-tremeshooting.com/. I have one in my A.R. -10 and it's amazing. For my glass I am debating between Nightforce and U.S. Optics. Any feed back would be great. Off topic can anyone suggest a good green laser/flash light combo for rifle and pistol? </div></div>

Navygunman,

You are correct. A "Precision Rifle" does not a Sniper make. Nor does the ability to hit a target at great distance make one a Sniper. If you wish to understand Snipers then start by reading. There are many books out there that can help give insite to what these men do.

ISBN 978-0-425-10355-2 Marine Sniper, By Charles Henderson
ISBN 978-0-312-56738-5 Sniper One, By SGT Dan Mills

These two books are excelent. There are many more.

You may also want to read:

ISBN 978-0-316-04093-8 On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

As for a weapon. The AR is good. If you have the AR-10 lower, then your half way there. Find or build the upper that meets your needs. The 6.5 creedmoore and 6.8mm SPC are offered by DPMS. If your AR-10 is chambered for the .308, I would continue using it.

Learn to Shoot. Find a range near your home that has shooting matches. Join it and start shooting. Learn from the other shooters. The CMP(Civillian Marksmanship Program) matches are fired without optics. This is an excellent program to start building the skills needed to be a true sniper.

There are many on the Forum that can and are willing to give good advice.

Keep the Faith.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Randy G.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Navygunman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I currently wanting to build an A.R. style sniper rifle. I realize the rifle does not make you a sniper. With that being said, I am thinking aobut a 6.5 grendel, a 6.5 creedmoor or the 6.8 spc. Im going more for a sniper/assult rifle(As much as possible). I'm thinking of using a Satern barrel. I'm thinking of going with a stage two trigger from http://www.x-tremeshooting.com/. I have one in my A.R. -10 and it's amazing. For my glass I am debating between Nightforce and U.S. Optics. Any feed back would be great. Off topic can anyone suggest a good green laser/flash light combo for rifle and pistol? </div></div>

Navygunman,

You are correct. A "Precision Rifle" does not a Sniper make. Nor does the ability to hit a target at great distance make one a Sniper. If you wish to understand Snipers then start by reading. There are many books out there that can help give insite to what these men do.

ISBN 978-0-425-10355-2 Marine Sniper, By Charles Henderson
ISBN 978-0-312-56738-5 Sniper One, By SGT Dan Mills

These two books are excelent. There are many more.

You may also want to read:

ISBN 978-0-316-04093-8 On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman.

As for a weapon. The AR is good. If you have the AR-10 lower, then your half way there. Find or build the upper that meets your needs. The 6.5 creedmoore and 6.8mm SPC are offered by DPMS. If your AR-10 is chambered for the .308, I would continue using it.

Learn to Shoot. Find a range near your home that has shooting matches. Join it and start shooting. Learn from the other shooters. The CMP(Civillian Marksmanship Program) matches are fired without optics. This is an excellent program to start building the skills needed to be a true sniper.

There are many on the Forum that can and are willing to give good advice.

Keep the Faith.

</div></div>

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Sniper is not a good term to use.. A sniper from what I hear is a highly skilled in marksmanship and stalking/camouflage that is trained to kill people. I guess the term to use is Long Range Precision shooter?
 
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It would seem that the OP has received his initial verbal "beating in" to the hide. At some point though, he really will have to ask questions to get answers.

Viewing the cartoon videos of the bears/dogs, or whatever they are where the character asks all the typical newbie questions may be helpful.

Although he did use the "sniper rifle" if he wouldn't have asked, he wouldn't know that "sniper rifle" isn't the correct terminology. Hell, everyone here knows that Uncle Jed's old deer rifle, when employed by a properly trained precision rifle marksman (AKA sniper) becomes a de facto "sniper rifle" whether it is a M24, M40, or a model 94 in 30-30 with a Bushnell scope on it.
 
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from a previous posted definitions rant:

*****I would submit in addition, i would think the proper terminology would be "precision marksman" using a "precision rifle", and not a "sniper" or "sniper rifle" (unless an actual operator)

SNIPER - which is traditionally a person professionally and highly trained to observe, report findings, or to engage and eliminate specific targets of oppurtunity to gain a tactical advantage uses a wide array of tools to accomplish the assigned tasks, and generally uses a highly modified precision rifle (sniper rifle as it used by a sniper) to eliminate those specified targets, usually from a concealed or unknown position in order not to be comprimised.

snipe- –noun 1. any of several long-billed game birds of the genera Gallinago (Capella) and Limnocryptes, inhabiting marshy areas, as G. gallinago (common snipe), of Eurasia and North America, having barred and striped white, brown, and black plumage.
2. any of several other long-billed birds, as some sandpipers.

sniper -(originally) a person that hunts for and is successful in harvesting the elusive above game bird. usually had to be concealed (by the use of special areas - enter the "hide"- or special clothing - enter the "gillie"- during the shot as snipe have excellent eyesight.

once common in scotland, a ghillie was a hired person ( a proffesional hunter / guide that used unconventional tactics for success) used to catch poacher's on the royal's land. they used special clothing to be concealed or hide themselves from view, as the poachers had to be weary of the royalty's normal gaurdsmen.

maybe a glossary of terms will help the newbies realize that(at least in my opinion) a definition of a "build" worth reading:

BUILD (noun or verb depending on usage)- A weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol, shotgun etc. (project) that has substaintial components added or enhanced that operate and are engineered in conjuncture with each other for the intended purpose of launching a projectile downrange and hitting a designated target with more consistancy / accuracy than a factory manufactured weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol shotgun etc., or exceeds the average accepted performance metrics of a factory manufactured weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. or at a higher rate of speed in cycling rounds + accuracy than a factory manufactured weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol shotgun etc.
(in my opinion a build starts with a bare receiver or frame, then specialized components are added to achieve the above directives, and to achieve the below)....

LONG RANGE SHOOTING (verb?)- To accurately and consistantly hit a target with a projectile at a greater distance than is normally accepted by a majority for the performance parameters of any given weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. whether it is "built" or not.

Example: A .45 cal 1911 pistol used at 10 yards to hit a target accurately and consistantly may be considered average distance. A .45 cal 1911 pistol used at 75 yards to hit a target accurately and consistantly would probably be considered long range shooting.

A .45 cal 1911 that shoots well at 10 yards, but is not good at all at 75 yards until components are added or enhanced and has acheived the goal of launching a projectile consistantly and accurately on a target should be considered a "build" to make a "precision firearm" for the intended purpose of "long range shooting"

(a scoped .308 rifle at 100 yards is almost always considered short range, however an open sighted 30/30 at 100 yards may be considered medium to long range)

PRECISION FIREARM (noun)- A weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. that is used for the intended purpose of launching a projectile downrange and hitting a designated target with more consistancy / accuracy than a factory manufactured weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol shotgun etc., or exceeds the average accepted performance metrics of a factory manufactured weapon, sporting arm, rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. Most precision firearms are "built" (see build) for objectives described above.

ACCURATE RIFLE (noun)- Any rifle that consistantly launches a projectile to a target with better results than what is considered by a majority average parameters for comparable rifles.(MOA and sub MOA)

SNIPER RIFLE (noun)- Any rifle that is used by a S N I P E R, otherwise, it's a precision firearm / rifle.****


da bears:EVERYTHING you should know and not ask

newbie rant: newbies and search function

EASIER TO FIND STUFF - sniper's hide google search
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ShooterMcGavin33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this thread needs more cowbell... </div></div>

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It's always about freakin' cowbells with you people.
 
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Is there a way to search the rolls for people with less that 10 posts that have asked a mall ninja-esq question, gotten blasted, lashed out, and then disappeared? (they really all follow a similar pattern)

Maybe a top 10 hall of fame lists of these vanishing acts?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JW Snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there a way to search the rolls for people with less that 10 posts that have asked a mall ninja-esq question, gotten blasted, lashed out, and then disappeared? (they really all follow a similar pattern)

Maybe a top 10 hall of fame lists of these vanishing acts? </div></div>
+1 just for shits a giggles
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ShooterMcGavin33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this thread needs more cowbell... </div></div>

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It's always about freakin' cowbells with you people.</div></div>

HAHAHAHA, "I gottsta have more cowbells"
 
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The hell did I miss?!

And good general advice is never put the words sniper and rifle together without some serious credentials and some clout otherwise your going to get flammed.

Target rifle........ now that is something I think most would have been happy with
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ShooterMcGavin33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this thread needs more cowbell... </div></div>

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It's always about freakin' cowbells with you people.</div></div>

HAHAHAHA, "I gottsta have more cowbells" </div></div>i love snipe hunting too it a fair game bird and its good eating ...so what the MOOO??
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adamxdavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the sons of guns comment was a joke bro...come on. Who needs a dual M16 set up that is cooled by a fish pump and copper tubing from Home Depot. All those guys need is a Dillin Aero Mini Gun....anything that shoots up to 6K rounds a min pretty much owns the field. </div></div>

Yea, what was up with that episode? That show just gets worse and worse.

Damn, y'all beat verbally beat the hell out of this guy, love it!