Suppressors AAC - am I screwed?

[chainring]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

Ok, at the 20 second mark he states that the N6 is 1.5 shorter and has an extra baffle....

..at the 33 second mark he starts explaining the difference in construction between the Sd and N6 - one has 1 inconel blast baffle and the N6 is ALL inconel...

..and at the 1min 47second mark he states that the N6 provides you with a shorter, stouter suppressor that fits all your existing 51 tooth mounts..

I don't get it. What's your point?

The video supports everything I've been saying. Thanks for posting that.


That pretty well squares it away for me.

 

[The Gump]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, I make no excuse for Remington and AAC's lead engineer trying to piggy-back a goofy rifle package onto the marketing wagon.

The fact is that the N6 wasn't designed for precision use, but CAN be used for that if you take the time to select or tune a mount.
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Come on man! Watch the video. In the video Mers states that the SD is used with 20" and 24" barrels, and uses the same 51 tooth fast attach mounts. Why would an end user need to select or tune a mount for the N6 and not the SD?

I do not get your logic.

 

[The Gump]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, at the 20 second mark he states that the N6 is 1.5 shorter and has an extra baffle....

..at the 33 second mark he starts explaining the difference in construction between the Sd and N6 - one has 1 inconel blast baffle and the N6 is ALL inconel...

..and at the 1min 47second mark he states that the N6 provides you with a shorter, stouter suppressor that fits all your existing 51 tooth mounts..

I don't get it. What's your point?

The video supports everything I've been saying. Thanks for posting that.


That pretty well squares it away for me.

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My point is that they both use the same fast attach system. That is it. You stated that the fast attach system is not for long range shooting when both cans use that very system. I could car less if the N6 was designed to be used on short barrels. The SD(long range version here. Not according to me.) uses the same system that you state is not designed for long range shooting.

 

[The Gump]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Folks gotta use a little logic when you contemplate the tolerances that are achievable with a mass-manufactured ACME thread ratchet mount. It was designed for FAST ATTACH, and does that job admirably. As we all start trying to shoot tiny groups with our old can, we are going to start noticing and placing importance on other features such as sealing blowback, tight lockup, etc.</span> That's when a manufacturer starts refining the original design to suit the market. 51 tooth for tighter lockup and staying tight during semi-auto use. Now, a 90 tooth for even better lockup. It's normal, not evil, subversive, or surprising.

In fact,<span style="font-weight: bold"> if you are going to use it as your Precision Gun can alone, then you might want to consider a suppressor that was designed for Precision guns...not fast attach</span> and durability under heavy volumes of fire.

I ordered mine as a suppressor for a 16 inch AR10 that will see mostly precision use out to 500 and less, as well as a short .300BLK upper and several 5.56 rifles. Loose, fast-attach mounts on the .300BLK and the 5.56 uppers, and a nice tight mount on the AR10 makes the N6 a fantastic choice for me.

<span style="font-weight: bold">If you want a dedicated precision bolt gun can, I think your choice of a TBAC is spot on. Their "mounting system" was designed from the very beginning to be absolutely a precision gun can.</span> Only now are they acknowledging the market for a QD, multi cal can - which is great, I'd like to have one. That was not their primary market when they started, though. It will be interesting to hear how your N6 works after you tune your mount. Do let us know.

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Remember?

So why then would Mers mention the use of the fast attach SD on 20" and 24" barrels? The very same fast attach that is on the N6. For non-precision shooting?

 

[KYS]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

Pete,
You are looking into this way to much. Either use the can and be happy or just drop it. You are peddling your wheels in sand. I have both the original 18t model, 51t model, and the new 762SDN-6. All 3 perform flawlessly on my bolt guns. The N6 runs on my 300 blackout and a 18" 308. I have never had a single problem with all 3 of the 762SD generations.

 

[The Gump]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pete,
You are looking into this way to much. Either use the can and be happy or just drop it. You are peddling your wheels in sand. I have both the original 18t model, 51t model, and the new 762SDN-6. All 3 perform flawlessly on my bolt guns. The N6 runs on my 300 blackout and a 18" 308. I have never had a single problem with all 3 of the 762SD generations. </div></div>

But according to Chainring your SDN-6 and its fast attach system were not designed for long range guns. How can they work flawlessly on your bolt guns when according to Chainring no fast attach system, especially the the N6, was designed to do such a thing.

Why should I simply blast my objective with gas and be happy about it?

The OP asked about 1. the availability of the SD and 2.the flaws in AAC's fast attach system.

Chainring said the claims were B.S.

I illustrated the fact that they are not and I wish I had gone with the Surefire fast attach.

Then Chainring decide to take the low route and call people like me noisy, whinning sheeple that have sandy vaginas and blow things out of proportion.

Finally Chainring stated that the only the N6 and its fast attach are not suitable for precision. All others are GTG.

And then there's Mike Mers. He states that the SD fast attach is used on 20" + barrel lengths. Apparently he was not informed of the fact that fast attach systems are no good for long distance. The same with the folk at Surefire.

I will tune my brake and use my can, most likely having a good time. That being said, I feel that I am doing a disfavor to my fellow hidden snipers if I do not use my first hand experience to answer the questions they propose with facts that are relevant.

I'm not trying to band bash, I'm just simply stating the facts. If you will notice in my previous posts, I have stated that AAC's workmanship is great. It's just their fast attach that I'm unhappy with.

 

[KYS]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

I understand all that. I would put my vote under the fact that chainring is wrong on some of his facts. Unless all mine break the stereotype...

The QD vs direct thread on debate has been hashed out countless times. I think they have their differences but once you compensate for timing of the can to your mount that point is invalid. I like Surefire products but I still do not believe they warrant their price tag. $1700 for a 30 cal can is crazy to me. Do I own them still? Yes..... Because of their zero POI shift and reputation for durability.

 

[at4rxj]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point of the sheeple comment is that the guy doing the posting had never experienced any problems or even owned a centerfire AAC can...he was following someone else's post. Thus, "sheeple." You know, a sheep...
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You obviously failed to read my post before posting this. Later you refer to what I was actually asking, so all is forgiven, but damn...
I was having second thoughts not because of the 51T mount issues, but because I was having trouble finding a 762-SD. I have read that the 90T system is supposed to be better, and considered that as part of my decision, but am obviously fine with the research I've done on the 51T mounts as I bought 4 of them.

Thank for trying, though, and thanks to those of you that actually took the time to read what I asked and gave good responses.

I found a dealer that can get the 762-SD, and will be going that route.

 

[chainring]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing the mount issues that plague aac cans, I'd go with a Gemtech or YHM for a conventional QD can.

I bought 2 of the 51T mounts after thinking my element was the hot sheet. After a while of researching I sold those mounts and decided aac was not going to be my choice for another can. </div></div>

The sheeple comment was for this guy, not you, at4rxj. Your question is legit, and I did my best to answer it. Basically, it boils down to whether you want to run the can hard on short barrels OR like the idea of a short can (N6) or if you just want a multi-caliber suppressor - in which case you would be just fine with the SD. Your mounts will work for either can.

My facts aren't wrong, the 51 Tooth mount was made for Fast Attach, but can be USED on precision rifles. No matter how hard you wish for it, or how many of us buy the 51-tooth series cans with precision rifles in mind for them, it will not change the fact that their primary design was to allow the end-user (which was probably the military, as far as AAC was concerned - if you recall, the entire first run of the N6 can itself went to a military order) to quickly and positively attach a can to a carbine. However, as I stated SEVERAL times FROM THE BEGINNING, it can be made to work just fine for precision rifles (and I will be using mine for that application) by either selecting a tight mount or by tuning a mount that started with a bit of tolerance. It really is that simple. The difference is that I knew what I was buying and what it would take to use it for my various applications when I slapped my money down, and Pete obviously did not. The 51 tooth mount predates the SD and N6 by several years. The 5.56 M4-2000 was the original 51 tooth ratchet mount, and the SPR-M4 with it's MITER mount or direct thread-on cans were the accepted Precision Rifle suppressors in 5.56 at that time - which is why I bought the SPR-M4 back then. The reason AAC went to the 51-tooth for the SD and N6 is that it is better/more positive than the 18 tooth, not because it was designed for precision rifles. The fact remains that any of them were capable of precision use, then and now.

 

[346ci]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The sheeple comment was for this guy, not you, at4rxj</div></div>

Thanks for the kind words. I don't consider myself a sheeple when I go for a product that is tried and known to work well.

You keep running aac, their mounts still suck...

 

[The Gump]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, I make no excuse for Remington and AAC's lead engineer trying to piggy-back a goofy rifle package onto the marketing wagon.

The fact is that the N6 wasn't designed for precision use, but CAN be used for that if you take the time to select or tune a mount.



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I'm still waiting for you to explain the release of the R700 AAC-SD. Are you on Remington's board of directors? Did they introduce this product without your guidance? Perhaps you should let them in on the fact that AAC's fast attach is not for precision work and that it is made for non-precision work and that they introduced a product that makes no sense.

By the way, is there such a thing as non-precision shooting? I am under the impression that when you are going to fire a gun you intend to hit what you are aiming at. An I wrong? Wouldn't the military want their gun to be accurate? Or, are they trying to handicap themselves to make it more of a challenge?

Maybe they had the bump-fire off the hip guys in mind when they designed their mount. They wanted to make sure they could make themselves look like morons quietly with their "bullet hoses".

 

[KYS]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing the mount issues that plague aac cans, I'd go with a Gemtech or YHM for a conventional QD can.

I bought 2 of the 51T mounts after thinking my element was the hot sheet. After a while of researching I sold those mounts and decided aac was not going to be my choice for another can. </div></div>

The sheeple comment was for this guy, not you, at4rxj. Your question is legit, and I did my best to answer it. Basically, it boils down to whether you want to run the can hard on short barrels OR like the idea of a short can (N6) or if you just want a multi-caliber suppressor - in which case you would be just fine with the SD. Your mounts will work for either can.

My facts aren't wrong, the 51 Tooth mount was made for Fast Attach, but can be USED on precision rifles. No matter how hard you wish for it, or how many of us buy the 51-tooth series cans with precision rifles in mind for them, it will not change the fact that their primary design was to allow the end-user (which was probably the military, as far as AAC was concerned - if you recall, the entire first run of the N6 can itself went to a military order) to quickly and positively attach a can to a carbine. However, as I stated SEVERAL times FROM THE BEGINNING, it can be made to work just fine for precision rifles (and I will be using mine for that application) by either selecting a tight mount or by tuning a mount that started with a bit of tolerance. It really is that simple. The difference is that I knew what I was buying and what it would take to use it for my various applications when I slapped my money down, and Pete obviously did not. The 51 tooth mount predates the SD and N6 by several years. The 5.56 M4-2000 was the original 51 tooth ratchet mount, and the SPR-M4 with it's MITER mount or direct thread-on cans were the accepted Precision Rifle suppressors in 5.56 at that time - which is why I bought the SPR-M4 back then. The reason AAC went to the 51-tooth for the SD and N6 is that it is better/more positive than the 18 tooth, not because it was designed for precision rifles. The fact remains that any of them were capable of precision use, then and now.

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Are you actually trying to argue the point that the 51t model of the 762SD was not intended for precision rifles?! If you are..... That might be the craziest shit I have ever heard.

The first run of the 762SD with 51t system was featured on the Sniper's Hide Valkyrie rifles, which were precision bolt action rifles. and Mike Mers himself told me over the phone the 762SD cans were built as a "QD precision rifle can".

The N6 is a different animal, as it was described from day one. Stop lumping the 3 together in the same class.

 

[11B-B4]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

if i were you id find a used 7.62sd... not worth scrapping the investment of your muzzle devices. And people generally wont pay much for a muzzle device that's outdated.

 

[StrykerSDM]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

Okay, I read through some of the posts. Just like the OP, I too got four 51T's to put on an M4, a 6.5G, an FAL and a .300BLK. I'll probably do another 7.62 also, and later probably get the M4-2000 when my wife gets that FN FS2000 she wants to use it on, along with the M4. Funny, my wife wanting an FN FS2000. She isn't all that into my gear, but she felt that and really like it --and it looks fun to me to and I have a ton of mags so why not.

The M4 mount I have is actually a Brakeout by mistake, my wife picked it up about 100 miles from home, so far we decided to keep it --you'd think it wouldn't work well as a brake or as hider, but it brakes as well as any single chamber brake would (it does reduce felt recoil) and the hider + brake flash make it about as good as any military flash hider, seriously. M855 ammo anyway.

The Blackout flash hiders are the shit --they murder the flash, some of mine have nearly zero flash --especially if you use a low flash powder to start with.

So the can, I've checked it out, talked to others that have shot it, did a lot of research, and I went with the SDN6. Heard a lot of good about it, and it seems well made. Inconel is some tough stuff. They (AAC) say with the .300BLK and subs, it is quiet like the MP5SD --and those are pretty quiet.

As for indexing it, AAC says to only index the Brakeout, if you have the Blackout, the flash hider, then you are supposed to use NO washers and a few drops of Rocksett and thread it all the way down. Not too tight either; AAC says their torque specs were for people who may go overboard, that with the rocksett they said they actually just hand tighten them, and added that most people don't want to hear that --hence the specs. I can't recall where I read this, it may have been during a conversation with AAC, but AAC did say it.

I also called AAC and talked to them a bit about mounts, and I asked about the mount changes. He said they spent significant time and resources designing the 51T and that the plan is to convert everything to 51T, 18T is phased out. As for 90T, I'm under the impression that is for limited items and mostly for the big stuff, like .338LapMag.

For a lead, I'd have to second Cascade Arsenal. I got my SDN6 for a price I probably shouldn't say on here, but it is one that the OP may find up his alley, and they may have gone up a little bit since then; I got a quote from him late last summer or fall and he honored that quote in January. $1050 seems to be the going price around here and I think that is MSRP, so if you can get it for under that... Easy guy to work with, trust made is much easier too, now I just have to wait a few more months. Not sure if he has a 7.62SD, you can probably get it for a steal if he does, but for the price I'd probably go with the SDN6.

So I wouldn't say you are screwed, I'd say you are just fine. Go with the newer SDN6, just call around and find the best price. Try Cascade like I said if you can't find one a good bit under MSRP. Good luck!

 

[346ci]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing the mount issues that plague aac cans, I'd go with a Gemtech or YHM for a conventional QD can.

I bought 2 of the 51T mounts after thinking my element was the hot sheet. After a while of researching I sold those mounts and decided aac was not going to be my choice for another can. </div></div>

The sheeple comment was for this guy, not you, at4rxj. Your question is legit, and I did my best to answer it. Basically, it boils down to whether you want to run the can hard on short barrels OR like the idea of a short can (N6) or if you just want a multi-caliber suppressor - in which case you would be just fine with the SD. Your mounts will work for either can.

My facts aren't wrong, the 51 Tooth mount was made for Fast Attach, but can be USED on precision rifles. No matter how hard you wish for it, or how many of us buy the 51-tooth series cans with precision rifles in mind for them, it will not change the fact that their primary design was to allow the end-user (which was probably the military, as far as AAC was concerned - if you recall, the entire first run of the N6 can itself went to a military order) to quickly and positively attach a can to a carbine. However, as I stated SEVERAL times FROM THE BEGINNING, it can be made to work just fine for precision rifles (and I will be using mine for that application) by either selecting a tight mount or by tuning a mount that started with a bit of tolerance. It really is that simple. The difference is that I knew what I was buying and what it would take to use it for my various applications when I slapped my money down, and Pete obviously did not. The 51 tooth mount predates the SD and N6 by several years. The 5.56 M4-2000 was the original 51 tooth ratchet mount, and the SPR-M4 with it's MITER mount or direct thread-on cans were the accepted Precision Rifle suppressors in 5.56 at that time - which is why I bought the SPR-M4 back then. The reason AAC went to the 51-tooth for the SD and N6 is that it is better/more positive than the 18 tooth, not because it was designed for precision rifles. The fact remains that any of them were capable of precision use, then and now.

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Are you actually trying to argue the point that the 51t model of the 762SD was not intended for precision rifles?! If you are..... That might be the craziest shit I have ever heard.

The first run of the 762SD with 51t system was featured on the Sniper's Hide Valkyrie rifles, which were precision bolt action rifles. and Mike Mers himself told me over the phone the 762SD cans were built as a "QD precision rifle can".

The N6 is a different animal, as it was described from day one. Stop lumping the 3 together in the same class. </div></div>

IMO, aac and "precision" are not two words that go together.

 

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

Good God... Say it isn't so... AAC has issues? I'm waiting on my Form 4 for my Mini4... I outfitted all my guns with 51T Breakouts. And I was planning on getting a M4-2000 as soon as this Form 4 comes back. Will the love afair go tits up before it starts?

Hopefully not!

 

[KYS]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing the mount issues that plague aac cans, I'd go with a Gemtech or YHM for a conventional QD can.

I bought 2 of the 51T mounts after thinking my element was the hot sheet. After a while of researching I sold those mounts and decided aac was not going to be my choice for another can. </div></div>

The sheeple comment was for this guy, not you, at4rxj. Your question is legit, and I did my best to answer it. Basically, it boils down to whether you want to run the can hard on short barrels OR like the idea of a short can (N6) or if you just want a multi-caliber suppressor - in which case you would be just fine with the SD. Your mounts will work for either can.

My facts aren't wrong, the 51 Tooth mount was made for Fast Attach, but can be USED on precision rifles. No matter how hard you wish for it, or how many of us buy the 51-tooth series cans with precision rifles in mind for them, it will not change the fact that their primary design was to allow the end-user (which was probably the military, as far as AAC was concerned - if you recall, the entire first run of the N6 can itself went to a military order) to quickly and positively attach a can to a carbine. However, as I stated SEVERAL times FROM THE BEGINNING, it can be made to work just fine for precision rifles (and I will be using mine for that application) by either selecting a tight mount or by tuning a mount that started with a bit of tolerance. It really is that simple. The difference is that I knew what I was buying and what it would take to use it for my various applications when I slapped my money down, and Pete obviously did not. The 51 tooth mount predates the SD and N6 by several years. The 5.56 M4-2000 was the original 51 tooth ratchet mount, and the SPR-M4 with it's MITER mount or direct thread-on cans were the accepted Precision Rifle suppressors in 5.56 at that time - which is why I bought the SPR-M4 back then. The reason AAC went to the 51-tooth for the SD and N6 is that it is better/more positive than the 18 tooth, not because it was designed for precision rifles. The fact remains that any of them were capable of precision use, then and now.

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Are you actually trying to argue the point that the 51t model of the 762SD was not intended for precision rifles?! If you are..... That might be the craziest shit I have ever heard.

The first run of the 762SD with 51t system was featured on the Sniper's Hide Valkyrie rifles, which were precision bolt action rifles. and Mike Mers himself told me over the phone the 762SD cans were built as a "QD precision rifle can".

The N6 is a different animal, as it was described from day one. Stop lumping the 3 together in the same class. </div></div>

IMO, aac and "precision" are not two words that go together. </div></div>

You want to put money down on that statement? It's more to do with the rifle then the can. But if you want to put that to the test you can meet me on the range where my Valkyrie shoots dimes at 100 with the 18t can and my 260 will do the same with the 51t 762SD. I can also break out the Titan SS and Cyclops and we give that a whirl.

 

[346ci]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You want to put money down on that statement? It's more to do with the rifle then the can. But if you want to put that to the test you can meet me on the range where my Valkyrie shoots dimes at 100 with the 18t can and my 260 will do the same with the 51t 762SD. I can also break out the Titan SS and Cyclops and we give that a whirl. </div></div>

No thanks, I'm sure you are a better shooter.

When I wanted a precision can, aac wasn't on my mind. The Titan and Cyclops seem to be decent cans, being thread on I'd hope they could get those right. As I said eariler, to each his own. I'll leave the aac fan boys alone now. If they can't admit there are problems, hell with it.

 

[KYS]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You want to put money down on that statement? It's more to do with the rifle then the can. But if you want to put that to the test you can meet me on the range where my Valkyrie shoots dimes at 100 with the 18t can and my 260 will do the same with the 51t 762SD. I can also break out the Titan SS and Cyclops and we give that a whirl. </div></div>

No thanks, I'm sure you are a better shooter.

When I wanted a precision can, aac wasn't on my mind. The Titan and Cyclops seem to be decent cans, being thread on I'd hope they could get those right. As I said eariler, to each his own. I'll leave the aac fan boys alone now. If they can't admit there are problems, hell with it.

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Fan boys? I have a bigger variety of cans in my safe then most class 3 shops..... I am no fan boy. And I have told of the screw up that AAC caused me, but they handled it with precision and quickness. And I got a brand new suppressor, tax stamp paid, overnight shipping, and a large box of clothes for my troubles. They are good to go in my book.

 

[346ci]

Re: AAC - am I screwed?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You want to put money down on that statement? It's more to do with the rifle then the can. But if you want to put that to the test you can meet me on the range where my Valkyrie shoots dimes at 100 with the 18t can and my 260 will do the same with the 51t 762SD. I can also break out the Titan SS and Cyclops and we give that a whirl. </div></div>

No thanks, I'm sure you are a better shooter.

When I wanted a precision can, aac wasn't on my mind. The Titan and Cyclops seem to be decent cans, being thread on I'd hope they could get those right. As I said eariler, to each his own. I'll leave the aac fan boys alone now. If they can't admit there are problems, hell with it.

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Fan boys? I have a bigger variety of cans in my safe then most class 3 shops..... I am no fan boy. And I have told of the screw up that AAC caused me, but they handled it with precision and quickness. And I got a brand new suppressor, tax stamp paid, overnight shipping, and a large box of clothes for my troubles. They are good to go in my book.

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Good for them on fixing their screw up, I will say that Mers is about the best thing they got now. Other than that, I guess we don't read the same book.