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AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

#51
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

The .260 idea would be great. I agree with what has already been mentioned, the .260 has been hugely under represented.

I think the oversize bolt handle version would sell more rifles. I have rifles with KMW knobs, badger knobs, custom one off knobs, RD precision knobs. I move between each of them without a thought about their ergo's. 99% of the knobs out there are variations of the Badger knob anyway,is it really that personal? I don't think so. Make it similar to a badger knob and you have covered pretty much the entire market for oversize bolt knobs.

On the other hand, ditching the knob, fluting, and the rail may make a premium stock (Mcmillan A5)feasable for the company. I would choose that over the current proposal.
 
#52
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Would I buy the rifle as is, in the above configuration?

No. Close, but to expencive for me to make it right.

What changes to the rifle would get me to buy one?

30 MOA rail (as you said), Manners Stock (or a cheap stock that would knock 300-500 off the price) and DBM. The HS stocks that come on Remmy rifles are not well recieved, I personally think they suck.

The thing is...people that are running this class of rifle are going to add those things anyway. They are not going to pay the premium price just to turn around and still have to add those items.

From a marketing standpoint (on your end at least) I would recommend that the only way to get this rifle would be with the purchase of a can...package deal kind of thing...not sure if Remington would go for that though.
 
#53
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

if the rifle you said came out in .308 w/ a 20" fluted barrel exactly the way you have it speced and shown as above i would definetly buy one. i have been kind of waiting for a while to find the right one.
 
#57
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were able to use a McMillan stock, which would most people prefer - the HTG or A5? </div></div>

ideally i would rather have the manners mcs-t if at all possible. higher comb better cheek weld i much prefer this stock to the htg, plus its cheaper

the a5 to me is too bulky for this build for me

another option might be the brand new a3 sporter (mcm might work out a big group by too to introduce this stock)or adj tactical hunter which is also a new stock

those stocks to be would be a better fit, esp the 20in 308 now the 24in 260 some might like that in an a5
 
#60
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I would buy a .260 or 6.5 Creedmore without fluted barrel. Keep the threading, but I don't care what type of thread protector, as it probably won't be there much, as I'll have a suppressor on.

Bolt handle to remain standard or easily changed

Definately a DBM. Preferable one that uses AI mags with a release lever like Surgeons. I don't like the tang on Badger's.

Really like McMillan A5 or similar Manners. Will the action be bedded?

20 or 30 moa base would be fine, but one can always get those easily.
 
#61
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A5 or the A1-3 </div></div>
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#62
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Terry Cross</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I Remington Ammunition to bring out 2 specific premium loads. One should be a Ballistic Tip/Swift/Partition/whatever. . . premium game load and the other should be a dedicated "match" round pushing a 139 Scenar or other proven bullet with a tight E.S. for the load.
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Terry thanks for validating my post! LOL.... Ballistic tip/partition and Scenar in the 139 gr :) If they had the same BC it would be wonderful. One for steel and paper and one premium "hunting" bullet.

For subsonic the 120 gr Solid base Nosler (Brown Ballistic tip) or the 125 gr Nosler partition is short and has a good BC would work well.
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The 123 Scenar might be to long to be stable at subsonic speeds but they sure work well at supersonic vel. suppressed. I love that little bullet.
 
#63
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I would go with the HTG versus the A5, the reason behind that is this: Most people who buy an A5 want the bells and whistles you get from ordering it from McMillian i.e. the flush cups, adjustable comb, adjustable LOP, color choices etc. An HTG stock however would satisfy most of the target group of this rifle, while providing greater resale value in the end when they decide to sell it.
 
#65
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Agree, .260 would be awsome. Leave the bolt knob to the custimer and please a good DBM for AI mags. Lastly, I think the McMillan A-3, A-5 and HTG are way better choices than the H.S but if you ask me Terry Cross Sentinel stocked rifles would fly out the door : )

JamieD
 
#67
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

A5 for sure.

I love the 6.5 creedmoor idea, but doubt Remington will go with that over the .260.

For the bolt knob, it would be cool to have something low-profile come with it, but have the knob removable so the end user can change their own.

I think the idea is a great one, even with the .260
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#68
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

HTG if those are the choices, but I would prefer the Manners MCS-T.

I will also throw my thumb up for a detachable mag system.

How about a Manners MCS-T with Tom's new mini chassis? That would take care of the better stock and detachable mag AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO BED IT!
 
#70
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

...here...I'll save you the trouble...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LiteTac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a list of serial #'s that are spoken for:

01-25 .260
02-25 .260
03-25 6.5 Creedmoor
04-25 6.5 Creedmoor
05-25 .260
06-25 6.5 Creedmoor/.308
07-25 6.5 Creedmoor
08-25 .308
09-25 .260
10-25 6.5 Creedmoor
12-25 .308
13-25 6.5 Creedmoor
14-25 .260/.308
15-25 .260
20-25 .260
24-25 .260
25-25 .260

I will keep this list updated as orders come in.
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#71
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I would go 260........lots of 308's to choose from. I don't suppose Remington would want to promote a 6.5x47 Lapua?

Put on a custom bolt knob.......anykind......it can't cost the manufacturer much more than the reg REm knob.....beats having to ship your bolt out for 2 weeks when your new rifle arrives. If need be have it threaded so guys can swap.

Bottom metal would be a huge upgrade and not the little flimsy 5r factory jobs either.......AI mags.

Either sell it without a stock or put a good one on it. It can't be a HS Precision.no cheek weld. This rifle build will be aimed at tactical shooter and competitors......not a lightweight hunter. If you need to go cheap put the Bell and Carlson Tactical Adj. with vetical grip.....Remington already has a relationship with B/C and for many guys that stock will be GTG. For guys who want to swap stock they will have a much better take off to sell than a HS or a Hogue. I think adjustable McMillans or Manners would be well received however to sell to the masses you would need to bed them at the factory which can be a pain to be done right. Thats why a B/C bolt on stock might work well. If you didn't bed the stock it would take alot of weekend warriors off of the gun because of the bedding issue.........everyone wants to go home and shoot ASAP.
 
#73
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek Myers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Bottom metal would be a huge upgrade and not the little flimsy 5r factory jobs either.......AI mags.

I think adjustable McMillans or Manners would be well received however to sell to the masses you would need to bed them at the factory which can be a pain to be done right. Thats why a B/C bolt on stock might work well. If you didn't bed the stock it would take alot of weekend warriors off of the gun because of the bedding issue.........everyone wants to go home and shoot ASAP. </div></div>

That's why I was saying Manners + DBM Chassis = NO BEDDING!
 
#74
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Build a great Factory match round first, Remington...Then work on your rifles...There are plenty of .260 chambered rifles already out there...starving for a quality factory load. Remington would make a killing if they could produce that.

I don't know how popular their match .308 load is...I've never seen it.

Don't know how many rifles they will sell to new shooters wanting to get into the mix when you get them all set up and then tell them they have to reload for it.

Everyone here started on a Rem700 PSS or something similar...why? Because it was decent out of the box and you could buy decent match ammo off the shelf from a variety of companies. I know that's why I got one...I wanted to shoot and I didn't know how to reload at the time...that's pretty steep learning curve to just jump in and reload match ammo in any caliber.

The .308 idea is a good one...people will buy that since there is a logistic base for it. Who are they marketing this .260 rifle to? Guy's that already have a .308 and learned how to reload because factory match .308 ammo is priced so high. Why not market to them AND new shooters...sell twice as many rifles.

Build the ammo first...
McM stock is a good idea
Bottom metal is a good idea

So here is the dilemma...We have a great factory match round from Hornady in the 6.5CM and it won't break the bank...but lacks a factory chambered rifle with the above specs. Then you have Remington with a great factory rifle with the above specs and nothing to shoot in it from the factory other than .308win. Seems like a no brainer for these two companies to get together and make it work.

Respectfully,

--KJ
 
#75
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I work for AAC. AAC and Remington are Freedom Group companies. We saw a need for a fast-twist pre-threaded rifle so am making it happen. I am showing it here because I know if something is mis-configured, people here will catch it. This will be sold through normal Remington distributors.

</div></div>
1 Vote here for the home removable bolt knob.
And a vote for the bottom metal for removable mags, like the LE .338 on a short action. Make the arm more "modular" like the AR15, metal chassis system as upgrade? then you get interchangable buttstock, forearm and handgrip. Barrell nut like a savage, or mossberg, home change barrell configuration, can we say aftermarket revnue, I mean support???
The have it your way rifle. And each part of the Rem family of companies have all the parts to start with at rollout, then you buy the action like a AR lower, then "custom build" the rifle the way you want it.
Factory builds for any application with off the shelf parts for lower bid process, Miltary, Law Enforcement, varmit, target and any way the public wants.
 
#76
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

yes please. This is an excellent idea for an excellent caliber. There are more match ammo available for the 260 than people think. HSM and Corbon make excellent 260 match ammo. Black Hills has some stuff occasionally too.
 
#77
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

ditch the bolt knob, or go to a different design. check KMW or Badger.
For $1500 I would want to see DBM that is quality, not plastic junk.
20 MOA rail.

No more HS Precision stocks.... they are not comfortable at all and I cant get behind one and be happy.
 
#78
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I like the others think that ammo for the 260 should be a top priority.

For the cheaper rifles you could always build the sps tactical with a threaded barrel and do a SPS V for the 260.

As long as the barrel twist is right I think you would have a real winner. The cheap stocks not only save you money but give everyone the chance to upgrade to whatever they want.
 
#79
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I mirror the comments already made about Factory 260 Match ammo!!!! Match ammo and a rig so the non reloader can get going would capture a pretty good market share I would think. I believe there is a good amount of people that would get into LR shooting if it doesnt tie them to the reloading component. Accurate good starting platform rifle, factory match ammo, overall softer shooting package that is eaisier on the novice from a perspective of drift and drop, I think thats a good mix.

Shane
 
#80
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I would be down for one in 6.5 cm. Either offer it as a barreled action or in a mcmillan/manners/b&c stock that has a vertical grip and bottom metal that takes aics mags.

If it ends up being a 260 then have the match ammo rolled out like the cm was. Under 25 a box with load data on the side.
 
#82
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Hell fucking yes. And tell Remington to get off their ass and make some good ammo for it.
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24" barrel, by the way. Bolt knob and flutes. The stock from the 5R would be fine at the sub $1500 mark if it comes with the rail & thread protector. I would buy one.

And please, make the throat such that I can load from mag length.
 
#83
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

forgive me if i sound like an idiot but, is this a "special order" only or will this be available to public?...damn good concept, i have a M700 260 and absolutely love it,wouldnt hesitate buying another...especialy with "the bellz and whistlez"
 
#84
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If this is designed to be a tactical rifle, I would lean towards the A5. </div></div>

A5 Adjustable....
 
#86
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

This is a great idea!!! I am on my 4th 260 and will have one until I die.

I would offer the rifle in two barrel lengths 24" and 20" The old H&S VS stocks are not that bad and you already have them. I would look at a McMillan if you could get them to make one. I think the A5s are way to expensive and you would be looking at a rifle at close to between $1500 and $2000 by the time you add a "Good" detachable mag setup. I can build a custom for that.

I would get a good basic rifle out there in a great caliber (Plus make some match ammunition to back it up). Look at how well the VSs have sold.

I like your original rifle only go with a 20 moa base and go with a good 5R barrel and keep the cost down where people can buy one and go out and compete with it or add the fancy stocks, det. mags. and whatever else they want.

I am glad to see someone at Remington has a brain. Now you need to make one in a 6BR and watch what happens!!! You guys have the most accurate round out there and don't make a gun or good ammo for it. That just blows my mind!!!!!!!!
 
#87
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

OK
Any 6.5 cal would work
thou if i,m Remington i would as others suggest put together a shit off shelf match round

lose cheap stock
either do it with a Mac or Manners or just do barreled action

fluted barrel not needed

20" 308 makes sense, 20" 6.5 even more so....24" why???

Us lefties need to feel sum luv also
 
#91
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

i would really like to see this come about.

specs please for the final design

if your do make one in 260 make the ammo available so we can play with it if we don't reload. not everyone does.
 
#92
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I am listening and will try to add a McMillan A5 and a DBM that takes AI mags - and then maybe delete the fluting on 20 inch model to help control cost. How many people consider the fluting something that is important to them? It is not an even trade of course and the actual street price (which it not yet known) will go up.
 
#93
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

This is the exact setup ive been looking for, all but a DBM, but im not sure of your price point for the few extras added on to a basic LTR.

ETA: I like the flutes as well as the faster twist rate.
 
#94
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am listening and will try to add a McMillan A5 and a DBM that takes AI mags - and then maybe delete the fluting on 20 inch model to help control cost. How many people consider the fluting something that is important to them? It is not an even trade of course and the actual street price (which it not yet known) will go up. </div></div>

...perhaps you could offer fluting as an option...???...
 
#96
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Make the .223 and .308 at least available, make the barrel as short as you can, slap a Skull and Crossed Rifles or Liberty on it, and make the MSR Chassis an option.

And put me on the email list, too!!
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#97
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260 rules! I'd like to see something with a little longer barrel, though! Factory rifles with short barrels are everywhere. The true potential of the 260 is and shines at long range in a long barrel with a long COL.
 
#98
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

I started a post here about 2 weeks ogo staitng that a Rem 700 or savage 10 in 260 would probably sell pretty good and i was surprised that neither made a 260 heavy barrel any more. Remington made the VLS in 260 for a short time and I see them on Gunbroker go for $1000 USED! Savage made the 10FP in 260 also and they go for $600+ when they were only $400 new. I think the 260 is a great round for 100-1000 yards. light recoil, plenty of bullets to choose from, decent bbl life. I think the 260 in this rifle would sell just fine
 
#100
Re: AAC BLACKOUT rifle - should we do .260 Rem?

Is making a .260 really a feasable production rifle? I do not see many people buying it. Personally I think the .308 is dead nutz with were it should be, an McMillan stock and DBM would be nice, but then the price is going to go outside your intended price range. I think you should consider a fast twist .243 Win possibly a 1/7 or 1/8 twist for heavy bullets. I think you would see more sales.
 
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