AAC Honey Badger

#53
Re: AAC Honey Badger

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a different question...Will an RDIAS for a regular AR fit into one of these puppies?

And also, would it come with a longer rail on the front? </div></div>

There are longer rails for it.

If it did not have a sear, a DIAS would likely fit.
 
#54
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Robert, is that a hydraulic buffer on the back end?

Also, why are there not any more stock positions? Looks like just open and closed.

What was the advantage gained by using the HK style stock instead of just a shorty tube and one of those short little stocks?

It does look good, and I'm pretty sure I can guess who did design work on it, but at the end of the day it looks like a pistol length AR in 300BLK with a shiny new stock. Give me some technical info, advantages, superiorities and such.
Thanks,
Justin
 
#55
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what's funny is, it's actually spelled Parlay. Not Parley. lol

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will quote a local guy by saying:

I still think the selector markings should have been:

Safe - Sleepy
Semi - Hungry
Full - Don't give a shit

LMAO, but so true... </div></div>

Ha ha Hell yes. Like the Spike tactical pirate lower.

Safe - Parley
Semi - Arrgh
Full - Plunder

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#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Please don't sell out to some big company and let them screw it up. </div></div>

If you're referring to Bushmaster and the Masada, you need not worry. AAC is already part of Freedom Group and is under the same ownership as Bushmaster. It makes sense why the look bares some resemblance to Remington's MSR and RSASS.
 
#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm sure whatever advantage you're proposing existed is slight at best. The larger benefit is that the country got flash suppressors to replace blind muzzles with no flash suppressors.</div></div>

That is like saying that if we limit our search for a Supreme Court Justice to only females or people of a certain race, that you are sure they are still qualified. Sure, that may be true, but - at least I believe - the right way to go is to consider everything and pick the best based purely on performance and reliability.

Affirmative action is not right or fair. A white airplane mechanic who makes $20 an hour and has a son cannot get that son into Harvard as easily as the hispanic guy who owns the jet that he repairs. Setting aside business for special groups such as woman owned, minority owned, or small business is just wrong.
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My buddy just told me a story yesterday of a friend of his who led a patrol in the Marines for a green LT toward the sight of an intel report of an UX IED- he advised the LT to return to base when their foot patrol was off the map, out of radio contact with the mission beginning to seem very sketchy. The Lt disagreed and he followed orders, leading the patrol onward with their Iraqi police liasons. At a turn in the road, the IP's scattered and my friend's buddy was hit by an IED the pressure of which popped both his eyes out, and killed his friend. Blind in one eye, his nose blown off, he did survive.

It isn't a fair world. Don't expect me to cry for Cerebus when a Veteran gets your conglomerate's contract.
 
#59
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It isn't a fair world. Don't expect me to cry for Cerebus when a Veteran gets your conglomerate's contract.
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Basically you are saying that since we were successful and grew to a large size, you want to not consider our products.

Seems communist to me. Sort of what like what the Occupy Wallstreet people are asking for.

I know there are two sides to this and 70% of the people CNN polled think that Occupy Walstreet is a better movement than the Tea Party, so clearly there are people like you who will never agree to the free market capitalism concept as being the best model.

If you disagree - fine, but I hope you care most about the guy getting shot at today who deserves the best equipment. Even if in this case it does not matter, the whole concept of not testing the best submitted products is bound to sometimes matter.
 
#61
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It isn't a fair world. Don't expect me to cry for Cerebus when a Veteran gets your conglomerate's contract.
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I cry for the soldier using inferior equipment due to some bullshit beurocratic rules.

Mr. Silvers,

Am I correct in saying that's a new AAC suppressor also? It looks like its flanged.
 
#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: medic103</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

It isn't a fair world. Don't expect me to cry for Cerebus when a Veteran gets your conglomerate's contract.
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I cry for the soldier using inferior equipment due to some bullshit beurocratic rules.

Mr. Silvers,

Am I correct in saying that's a new AAC suppressor also? It looks like its flanged.

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It would be awesome to see literally the best equipment in the hands of the soldiers. But because of the whole "lowest bidder" thing we don't see everyone walking around with Noveske, LWRC, POF, Les bare, Larue, LMT in combat. Why spend $2000+ on a weapon when a bullet from a $700 rifle makes you just as dead as the other... This goes back to the whole SF using 6.8SPC and the average 11b feeling like they have inferior equipment with the 5.56.
 
#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It isn't a fair world. Don't expect me to cry for Cerebus when a Veteran gets your conglomerate's contract.
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If you disagree - fine, but I hope you care most about the guy getting shot at today who deserves the best equipment. Even if in this case it does not matter, the whole concept of not testing the best submitted products is bound to sometimes matter. </div></div>

I figured this would be the next place you would go. This again suggests Smith's product sucks. It doesn't. It's actually quite good.

And the flash hider isn't an incremental upgrade to an existing flash hider- it is an accessory going onto a blind muzzle that soldiers in multiple wars and conflicts WWII through present have and continue to work with. Do I want the soldier to have the best equipment? Yes. Do I extend that to some insignificant incremental suggested improvement at the cost of equal opportunity legislation? No.

The military of all organizations should want to do business with veterans.

This is of course from the angle that suggests AAC had a better product and was edged out because of other reasons. BE Meyers also has a viable contender- they were selected for the SOCOM contract in conjunction with the 212, and they have also been getting contracts with Crane for 50 caliber flash hiders for quite some time.

I saw an assymetric warfare group report that suggested the carbon steel phantom and Surefire 17-4PH phantom style hiders were only ~3% behind the Blackout and BE Meyers designs in performance, and that the open tine designs were considered to be more durable (I believe the surefire design did not fail, where the carbon steel phantom did fail)- the SEI device wasn't tested in that test. I did test the phantom and Vortex, and in my (not comprehensive or remotely comparable) simple camera flash test, the Vortex outperformed the phantom by a broad and obvious margin of more like 50-60% of what puny flash remained.

And that's really what the phantom is. It's a Vortex style device that has closed tines. It has similar offset slots, 4 slots, a narrow .25" aperture, it has some mechanical similarity.
 
#64
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They don't know if our 50 BMG model is better because they did not even evaluate it.

What you are saying is exactly what Affirmative Action is. You take a special group and give them an advantage. You are saying that group should be veterans. It could also be that you are a fire department and want to have 40% African Americans and 25% Latino, so you set aside that many slots for them and don't consider all applicants. Then for anyone who says this is wrong, one would say the special groups of people are qualified enough. There may be a white guy 3% more qualified, but he is not considered as he is not from the special group.

First and foremost the current solider should get the best equipment. I know you are a veteran but I don't think it is right to lobby for only your group's products to be tested.

But again, lots of people agree with you. Almost half the country.
 
#65
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rsilvers I wouldn't waste too much time debating with Griffin. Its been plainly obvious they have a agenda against AAC. Hell when they insulted you guys because you have someone as tattooed/alternate as Rachel working for you and against the "style" that AAC tries to bring a section of the gun industry that is not widely known......
 
#66
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rsilvers I wouldn't waste too much time debating with Griffin. Its been plainly obvious they have a agenda against AAC. Hell when they insulted you guys because you have someone as tattooed/alternate as Rachel working for you and against the "style" that AAC tries to bring a section of the gun industry that is not widely known......

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My sig line says it all...
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rsilvers I wouldn't waste too much time debating with Griffin. Its been plainly obvious they have a agenda against AAC. Hell when they insulted you guys because you have someone as tattooed/alternate as Rachel working for you and against the "style" that AAC tries to bring a section of the gun industry that is not widely known......

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He also tried to stir up a rally against us because one of our male employees wore a pink shirt once, and it backfired on him. Then when we donated money to Wounded Warrior he said something like it was just to win favor with veterans. I think he also said we tend to hire military people to try to win favor with the military. Now he seems to be saying he is happy that veterans get an exclusive on selling to the military if the products are close enough to good.
 
#68
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">rsilvers I wouldn't waste too much time debating with Griffin. Its been plainly obvious they have a agenda against AAC. Hell when they insulted you guys because you have someone as tattooed/alternate as Rachel working for you and against the "style" that AAC tries to bring a section of the gun industry that is not widely known......

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Hell we, well at least myself, Love Rachel!! bring on more tattooed folk
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#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've got a different question...Will an RDIAS for a regular AR fit into one of these puppies?

And also, would it come with a longer rail on the front? </div></div>

There are longer rails for it.

If it did not have a sear, a DIAS would likely fit.
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Which leads to the next questions, how much is it, and when can I have one! ^_^
 
#70
Re: AAC Honey Badger

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He also tried to stir up a rally against us because one of our male employees wore a pink shirt once, and it backfired on him. Then when we donated money to Wounded Warrior he said something like it was just to win favor with veterans. I think he also said we tend to hire military people to try to win favor with the military. Now he seems to be saying he is happy that veterans get an exclusive on selling to the military if the products are close enough to good. </div></div>

My brother made the sophomoric remark about the pink T shirt, I told him it was stupid before he ever made it.

AAC is a business and they certainly did strategically position themselves into DOD contracts. If you're asking everyone to believe that none of the moves were strategic, you're really underestimating human intelligence and asking everyone to feign stupidity for your benefit.

Robert you and pre-Remington AAC did just about everything you could to destroy my company along with a lot of other companies, because you guys don't like free enterprise competition. I don't have one drop of respect for your entire operation. But that's not what this is about.

This is about the simple fact that you can't be pro-military, and Anti-veteran. When you chop down a veteran's company like Smith Enterprise the way you have here, and say you are pro-military, that is two faced.

George Washington said:
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation."

You're suggesting Ron Smith makes inferior products and that his contract is government welfare, not something he earned. In treating him with disrespect, Washington would say you're eroding national security by decreasing the willingness of future generations to serve in the military.






 
#71
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is about the simple fact that you can't be pro-military, and Anti-veteran. When you chop down a veteran's company like Smith Enterprise the way you have here, and say you are pro-military, that is two faced. </div></div>

I am not more anti veteran than I would be anti-minority if I were against Affirmative Action in the fire department.

It is very sad that you are saying I am anti-military because I wish that my product, that I spent a long time designing, to be actually tested and considered rather than not because a veteran also had a product to offer. Should I just roll over every time a veteran like you also has something in the running?

You are using the same tactic that liberals use when people complain about Affirmative Action - they say you are anti-minority if you say anything. If one complains about Obama, they say you are racist. And here you are saying I am against veterans if I complain that my product was not even tested to see if it was better.
 
#72
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Great job at AAC for the new weapon, it's good to see a company think outside of the typical suppressed AR box and attempt real game changers for the fight. F-in awesome Robert.

AND it would also be great if Griffin took his whining to PM and quit shitting on a thread about the Honey Badger. Dude, really, stop tripping over your skirt and come up with something yourself instead of constantly bashing others who are getting the job done. And yes, it's THAT obvious.
 
#73
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPO-sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great job at AAC for the new weapon, it's good to see a company think outside of the typical suppressed AR box and attempt real game changers for the fight. F-in awesome Robert.

AND it would also be great if Griffin took his whining to PM and quit shitting on a thread about the Honey Badger. Dude, really, stop tripping over your skirt and come up with something yourself instead of constantly bashing others who are getting the job done. And yes, it's THAT obvious. </div></div>

Amen!

AAC puts out good products. If they did not my collection would be a lot smaller then it is. From the cans to the 300BLK uppers, I love their stuff.

Plus they know how to put on a party at SHOT every year
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#74
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is about the simple fact that you can't be pro-military, and Anti-veteran. When you chop down a veteran's company like Smith Enterprise the way you have here, and say you are pro-military, that is two faced. </div></div>

I am not more anti veteran than I would be anti-minority if I were against Affirmative Action in the fire department.

It is very sad that you are saying I am anti-military because I wish that my product, that I spent a long time designing, to be actually tested and considered rather than not because a veteran also had a product to offer. Should I just roll over every time a veteran like you also has something in the running?

You are using the same tactic that liberals use when people complain about Affirmative Action - they say you are anti-minority if you say anything. If one complains about Obama, they say you are racist. And here you are saying I am against veterans if I complain that my product was not even tested to see if it was better. </div></div>

You didn't do the best job of articulating that with Damn affirmative action. I can understand wanting to have your product tested. Damn affirmative action just seemed like an immature coping mechanism for a sore loser.

If your product wasn't tested that's too bad. I do think the government's method isn't completely flawed because there need to be checks and balances in contracting.

Sometimes the best thing to happen is for a really awesome Lockheed aircraft to get passed over for something less stellar from Northrop Grumman because passing Northrop over for the third time in a row will result in Northrop ceasing to compete in essence giving Lockheed no competition to better going into the future.

There is a method to the government's madness. Sometimes the cottage gun industry makes necessary items like updated scope mounts and flash hiders for M14's that are easier to rapidly field than a new medium range squad and platoon designated marksman system in a time of war. Keeping that sector of the industry involved does serve the overall system.

Maybe at some later time there will be an opportunity to compete with the other companies devices to see who merits the position of best in class.
 
#75
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is about the simple fact that you can't be pro-military, and Anti-veteran. When you chop down a veteran's company like Smith Enterprise the way you have here, and say you are pro-military, that is two faced. </div></div>

I am not more anti veteran than I would be anti-minority if I were against Affirmative Action in the fire department.

It is very sad that you are saying I am anti-military because I wish that my product, that I spent a long time designing, to be actually tested and considered rather than not because a veteran also had a product to offer. Should I just roll over every time a veteran like you also has something in the running?

You are using the same tactic that liberals use when people complain about Affirmative Action - they say you are anti-minority if you say anything. If one complains about Obama, they say you are racist. And here you are saying I am against veterans if I complain that my product was not even tested to see if it was better. </div></div>

Damn you hit the nail on the head. This was exactly what I was thinking and was in the process of posting.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOPO-sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great job at AAC for the new weapon, it's good to see a company think outside of the typical suppressed AR box and attempt real game changers for the fight. F-in awesome Robert.

AND it would also be great if Griffin took his whining to PM and quit shitting on a thread about the Honey Badger. Dude, really, stop tripping over your skirt and come up with something yourself instead of constantly bashing others who are getting the job done. And yes, it's THAT obvious. </div></div>

You have one thing wrong about that there TOPO. Griffin isn't shitting on this thread hes shitting on his company name. If your going to have a debate on a public forum and make an ass out of yourself don't do it with your company logo... If you notice a lot of companies keep there posts very clean and professional and don't get involved in pissing matches. You don't see me getting into ethical/political debates using my shops name. Many companies don't even post on these kind of forums simply because they don't want to bash their company or their workers. One of the major rules in any business is not to burn bridges. And AAC is one big bridge to burn in this industry.

Back to the original subject, the Honey Badger. Drop some specs on us silvers!

Whats the BBL length?
Whats the new suppressor called and what's it made of?
Is that a hydraulic buffer?
 
#77
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I really like the aesthetics of the “Honey Badger”. Right when you think you have seen it all in the AR platforms someone else comes up with some new innovation.

Anyhow I understand the importance of free speech and everything but I do not think it is very professional for another manufacture to being shitting in the competitions thread about politics\views etc. You both need to review your organizations communication protocols on responding in forums as of such. The comments you make are viewed worldwide and reflect how others view your organizations and also affect the relationship(s) with your customers\clients.
 
#83
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Oh how I wish it had a side charger and a piston system, I really have a hard-on for those after getting my hands on a couple American Spirit Arms side charging uppers...

Still, all hard-ons aside, my props go out on that nice piece of kit.
 
#85
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It's obvious who likes fair and free market competition and who doesn't. I would have to assume that philosophy transfers to their own hiring process and vendor selection. On that obvious assumption I guess with one company I (the end consumer) is getting the best no compromise product. A product not hampered by a beauracracy of irrelevant selection processes and hiring practices that in the end, leave me with a superior product.

The other company I have to assume is run like the post office, or the DMV.

I was in the process of selecting my next can for my own .300 BO build. i was considering 3 companies. It's just been narrowed down to two and they both aggressively support free market capitalism. I'm going to excersise my own form of affirmative action.


In any case, AAC could make a strong argument in their favor if they would jump into the fray by releasing a civilian version of that bad assed little rifle!!!

I might be forced just to build my own version of it for now.


And yes, a non reciprocating side charging handle would be bad assed. I really can't believe that hasn't become a more accepted design in the AR world. Anyone who operates one immediately understands the superiority to the standard design.

 
#86
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Oh, what's the word on subsonic ammo development for the cartridge. If the current 220 has lackluster terminal ballistics, is their an alternative in the works by any chance?
 
#87
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There are subsonic expanding bullets, but they are currently $1.10 each, so any commercial ammo which uses them will likely be over $40 a box and expect stuff like that by the Shot Show. I don't think more affordable expanding subsonic will happen until 2013.

But Remington has three more loads of other types coming out in 2012.

Also, Barnes has this ammo in January:

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#89
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The uniqueness of this rig is awesome, I never thought the execution of the telescoping stock on an AR would look like it was born that way!!!! I cannot wait to see where this project goes. But seriously what sort of buffer is in that thing? Also I cannot wait to see some pics and how the suppressor attaches.
 
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