Accuracy guarantee's

[Møønlight]

I have seen a few companies that guarantee .25 moa and 3/8 moa etc. Another company http://blackopsprecision.com/ has a 3/8 MOA (or better) Guarantee (average of five, five shot groups).

Now .25 moa is better than 3/8 moa but considering it is an average of five, five shot groups, that seems to be the better accuracy guarantee, satleast to me.

What are some other opinion's out there on this?

Many thanks,
-Moon

 

[oldfatguy]

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At that level of accuracy the difference will be in who is pulling the trigger. Don't see much practical difference.

OFG

 

[Tackleberry]

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The way I have see folks shoot I certainly hope the gun maker is the one firing the 5 shot groups. Most guys I see would never hold a 1/4 or 3/8 group

 

[Chiller]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Moonshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen a few companies that guarantee .25 moa and 3/8 moa etc. Another company http://blackopsprecision.com/ has a 3/8 MOA (or better) Guarantee (average of five, five shot groups).

Now .25 moa is better than 3/8 moa but considering it is an average of five, five shot groups, that seems to be the better accuracy guarantee, satleast to me.

What are some other opinion's out there on this?

Many thanks,
-Moon </div></div>

I CAN'T shoot the difference.

 

[JSF]

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My BlackOps and Surgeon will both do it with factory ammo. I have shot 10 shot groups under 3/8 moa with both guns. The gun can do it every time, but I can't do it consistently. I just don't care to shoot paper enough to get good at it. I have never really understood bench rest. Shooting steel is much more fun.

 

[Early Cuyler]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Moonshadow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen a few companies that guarantee .25 moa and 3/8 moa etc. Another company http://blackopsprecision.com/ has a 3/8 MOA (or better) Guarantee (average of five, five shot groups).

Now .25 moa is better than 3/8 moa but considering it is an average of five, five shot groups, that seems to be the better accuracy guarantee, satleast to me.

What are some other opinion's out there on this?

Many thanks,
-Moon </div></div>

Personally, there's no F-ing way I can shoot .25 MOA or .375 MOA groups consistently. When it comes to accuracy guarantees, I don't put a lot of weight in them as some of the most accurate rifles I've ever seem only come with a 1/2 MOA guarantee (Robert Gradous).

When you get a TacOps, Chad Dixon, Robert Gradous, BlackOps, GAP, etc. the more likely result will be a rifle that is much more accurate than you. I don't mean that to be offensive as there are few of us (myself EX-cluded) that can shoot to the potential of these rifles consistently!

 

[majohnson2]

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Its that reactionary visual effect when you hit the steel, followed by that audible confirmation. It makes you feel all warm inside.

 

[DJ 480]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: majohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its that reactionary visual effect when you hit the steel, followed by that audible confirmation. It makes you feel all warm inside. </div></div>

this is the truth..we spend thousands of dollars and countless hours learning as much as we can for little holes in paper and dings! on steel..

 

[Mike]

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Accuracy guarantees are bullshit.

It's to make the consumer feel good. A custom built rifle by a reputable smith is going to shoot and shoot well. If it doesn't, the 'smith will make it. Talking about .1 difference is stupid.

IMO.

 

[JSF]

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Not only stupid, but pointless. Especially since there is one that can shoot the difference where it really matters, at distance.

 

[jbell]

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Yep, I agree dont get hung up an a accuracy guarantee. A rifle built by one of the many talanted smiths out there will shoot very well. Hell Accuracy International has (or at least had) a 1 MOA guarantee, and we all know how they shoot...

 

[Bradu]

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THe guarantee makes a person feel warm and fuzzy but as it's already been said if you go with a reputable smith you have nothing to worry about. Sure there is a chance that you get one that doesn't group well but a good smith will take care of it. I have 4 rifles that shoot a hell of a lot better than I can but I can atleast say it's all me when I miss.

 

[ronas]

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I suspect most gunsmith's do not have a 600 yard or longer range where they can test rifle and let customer shoot it. My rifle came with a guarantee that it would shoot 1/2 MOA or better.

<span style="font-weight: bold">My theory is my gunsmith's would not have let me leave with a rifle that did not meet my expecations or his.</span>

Just my opinion but if the gunsmith guarantee's 1/2 MOA it should shot that very easily and it should shoot 1/4 MOA without much trouble.

My gunsmith is Robert Gradous and when I went to pick up rifle we first went to his reloading room which has I window that you shot out of to his 100 yard range. I brought my own reloads and shot two three shot groups that measured .185" and .298". I had to shoot right handed using right eye because of the way the shooting table is set up. I shoot left handed and am left eye dominant.

So an MOA guarantee can give the buyer, i.e. me a measure of comfort that I'm going to get what I expect. Of course this only applies when the purchaser trusts his gunsmith.

 

[BasraBoy]

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Like 0-60mph times quoted for cars.....or any performace specs....how far can you trust them? Who measured them and in what conditions and how repeatable/relevant are all the parameters of the test in real, day-to-day usage by your average bloke?

IMHO, interesting, but treat with caution - buy from proven and trustworthy vendors, don't just go on the sales patter!

 

[264Charlie]

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Really, they are all marketing as no gun builder can control factory or reloaded ammo. What they are saying is they will stand behind the builds. Smaller less know shops tend to offer outlandish claims to lurer the uninformed buyers into purchasing from them.

Buy from a well know shop on the hide (not magazines or the history channel) and you will get a rifle that can outshoot every day of the week. Looking at the PRS results you can't go wrong with a GAP or Surgeon rifle.

I've shot sub 1/4 MOA (5 round +) groups with every GA gun I own. That's with a bipod and rear bag and they only came with a 1/2 MOA guarantee