How about vs the tikka? They have great actions, disability, and cost 1/3 the price.
Accuracy International AT-X
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Why are you trying to argue this in an AI thread? Just curious.
This argument can go on for days. A Toyota gets you from point A to B just as good as a Benz, BMW, Ferrari, etc. But some ppl like nicer shit
I may not be the best person to answer, but in my case, I went from an RPR to a Mausingfield to AIs because I could. Each shot well, but the Mausingfield was more accurate than the RPR and the AIs were better ergonomically than the MF, which helped reduced my groups.
Plenty of people buy AIs because they can, plenty of people show up on the line with RPRs, Tikas and some Savages, but they lack the consistency and quality engineered into an AI, which translates to accuracy (my opinion, YMMV). If you can afford an AI without eating Ramen the rest of your life, then buy once and cry once, you'll get what you expect. If you feel more comfortable buying another rifle and using the savings for an optic, ammo, etc., then do it and don't look back. However, trying to compare an AI to Savage is a non-sequitur.
Who let the poors into this thread?
Because we like to peel money and touch bitches. It's the most baller thing you can do. When I pull up to the range, I step out of my Mercedes G5, presidential Rolex bling'n, lay prone on a Gucci shooting mat made from the inner ears of African Antelope, whip out my AI with a Henny on top, shoot 1 moa groups with platinum plated bullets, tell all the Poors to go back to their shanties, hop back into the G5 and crush a bottle of Cristal for the trip home so I can be nice and lit when I knock the bottom out of my phat bootied Cuban house keeper.
Try doing that with a Savage or Tikka.
Careful, remember that got Arnold in trouble...
Because some of us think tikka is a shit rifle too? And that’s coming from someone who is not an ai fan.
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Yeah?
Still mim or cast parts thar break?
Still mediocre trigger?
Still not in a low bore chassis with integrated arca?
Still not qc barrels ?
I'm not arguing at all. I'm actually looking to get into prs and doing my homework to make an educated decision. Lots of information on the hide!Why are you trying to argue this in an AI thread? Just curious.
This argument can go on for days. A Toyota gets you from point A to B just as good as a Benz, BMW, Ferrari, etc. But some ppl like nicer shit
I don't think your analogy holds up well because a Toyota will not have the same acceleration, top speed, handling as a Ferrari. Yes, all 3 guns can shoot (same as card can drive), but the accuracy (top speed, acceleration, breaking, handling) should differ right? If they're all getting sub moa then why spend the cash? I would understand if the Savage got 1.0 MOA, Tika got 0.5 moa, and the accuracy international got 0.1 MOA. But from what I've been seeing on these threads, the stock accuracy international will maybe achieve a 0.5 from the factory.
I do like the build quality argument but I haven't had a chance to try an AI. The savage doesn't have as good build quality as the tikka or as good of a trigger. Is AI build quality THAT much better?
At this point, buying a rifle just for it's accuracy is really not the end all be all of our purchases. Why buy a Rolex when a Seiko will tell the same time, probably better. Just about any decent rifle will shoot 1 MOA or better. If I wanted to shoot the smallest group possible I would get into benchrest or F-Class. There are so many other considerations when it comes to what rifle to buy. AI's have the build quality, while not perfect by any means, better than most, are incredibly smooth, good parts availability, is super rugged, has the heritage and has very good resale value. I would dare to say that most AI's are easier to sell if you price them reasonably. With a factory or custom rifle you are going to take a huge hit or have to part it out to sell it.
@Bacarrat makes a great point. If accuracy was the only consideration then Savage would be hard to beat. They are consistently very accurate. AI's are very nice guns and have a reputation of being bombproof. FWIW I had bolt issues on both the AI's I bought new but the used ones I've bought have been flawless.
In recent years AI has been left behind in the gamer guns, the AT-X represents their effort to evolve into the new market space. While I plan on getting one, I don't think it'll do anything my ARC archimedes rifle won't do.
In recent years AI has been left behind in the gamer guns, the AT-X represents their effort to evolve into the new market space. While I plan on getting one, I don't think it'll do anything my ARC archimedes rifle won't do.
To the OP (even tho im not quite convinced he aint trolling)
.5 is competitive on the positional game PRS, NRL, CD, Guardian, Altus ect… The AINA factory barrel will yield that or better with good reloading practices.
AIs have heavier and not as smooth bolts. The guys arguing they have an AI with the smoothest bolt related anything upstairs haven't tried much if they truly believe that shit.
If your interest is PRS and and wont have anything else other than a AI either get a ATX or a AT on a Vision chassis. The AT and the AX as factory guns are not the optimal gun for that game.
That said ive ran a AX non stop for about 2 years on PRS and PRS style matches and the only things you give up is the higher center of gravity and heavier trigger to dedicated match guns. If you thumb over when you open your bolt the heavier lift is a non issue.
Assuming they have no issues from the factory (in my opinion) they are some of the most reliable guns out there. I have a 2017 build AX nearing 6k rounds on the action thru multiple barrels and i have never had a single issue in rainy, dusty, muddy, snowy what ever the fuck condition ive shot in. Not one single problem. But i do put up with some AI bullshit like, thumbscrews that back out and 11 rd mags only
Velayo runs a modded tikka an he beats 90-95% of the field when he doesn’t win
Alewine runs a modded savage, same deal
Trying to understand the objective reasoning on why people blow cash on expensive guns…
.5 is competitive on the positional game PRS, NRL, CD, Guardian, Altus ect… The AINA factory barrel will yield that or better with good reloading practices.
AIs have heavier and not as smooth bolts. The guys arguing they have an AI with the smoothest bolt related anything upstairs haven't tried much if they truly believe that shit.
If your interest is PRS and and wont have anything else other than a AI either get a ATX or a AT on a Vision chassis. The AT and the AX as factory guns are not the optimal gun for that game.
That said ive ran a AX non stop for about 2 years on PRS and PRS style matches and the only things you give up is the higher center of gravity and heavier trigger to dedicated match guns. If you thumb over when you open your bolt the heavier lift is a non issue.
Assuming they have no issues from the factory (in my opinion) they are some of the most reliable guns out there. I have a 2017 build AX nearing 6k rounds on the action thru multiple barrels and i have never had a single issue in rainy, dusty, muddy, snowy what ever the fuck condition ive shot in. Not one single problem. But i do put up with some AI bullshit like, thumbscrews that back out and 11 rd mags only
Velayo runs a modded tikka an he beats 90-95% of the field when he doesn’t win
Alewine runs a modded savage, same deal
Trying to understand the objective reasoning on why people blow cash on expensive guns…
AT-X didn't melt in the rain today. My pointer finger and thumb might be broken after shooting 200 rounds today from heavy bolt lift; starting a go-fund-me campaign for my injuries! Ok but on a serious note I'm going to need to back down my loads a touch, some heavy bolt lift in the rain and it rains every day this time of year.
First group shot today, brand new AT-X. Shooting 6.5 CM using alpha brass, 147 ELDM’s, h4350, and cci br primers.
To the guys whove run a thermal or NV clip-on......I have my zco420 coming along with a 1.5" zco block mount that's also 20moa. I'll have 40moa total in rail/mount. Did I F up by getting the extra moa in the mount? I know AI has 20moa pic rails to attach to my barrel shround, there will still be 20 moa is misalignment.
I plan to acquire a clip on on the barrel shroud. Perhaps it'd be best to get a separate 1-8 or 1-10 lpvo on a 0 moa mount to run with the thermal.
I do it with 50moa np on my axmc you will be fine
Just curious as to what grip your running on your AT-X. Staying with the Ergo factory grip or going with some other straight/zero-angle grip?
The MK ones are quite a bit better than the factory offering, I found. Nice to have a thumb shelf that you don’t need to tap into the chassis for.
2” 5 rounds groups from a 22” bart carbon barrel today. I’ve gotta say this AI is really growing on me. I still stand by “it’s not the best at anything” but it’s a damn fine all around gun and I dare say would be my go-to gun if if I really needed a rifle to put a single bullet somewhere far off and I had to actually carry it further than from stage to stage.
I'm having a 24" m24 bartlein carbon 6.5cm barrel cut for my ai right now. I'll hopefully get to pick up the at-x Monday. Manzella should have barrel cut some time next week. Run the steel pipe in matches, throw the carbon in for night hunting. Plan to run a steiner C35 in front the zco420. I just need to find a somewhat affordable ir laser rangefinder to throw on top for ranging.
Here’s what I used. Got this radius for 1050 off the post exchange new. Wish they still made these I’d buy two more. Awesome piece of gear.
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I really like the pink shirt reflection in the TV and the foot.... and what appears to be a big ass grin on the photographer's face.
Can someone please tell me the specs for replacement screws for the factory scope rail on the AT-X as well as the torque specs?
Torque specs are 35 in-lbs and blue loctite. Not sure on the actual screw specs, I don't want to give you the wrong info.
I^2 clip-ons are generally more forgiving than thermals alignment-wise. You should be good with the extra 20MOA. If you end up using a thermal, it may or may not cause an issue, I've seen it go both ways.
I went with 0MOA 1.5", AT-X high rail, and full length bridge. Alignment is perfect.
Rifle and scope showed up today. I like the chassis and the low center of bore. The trigger is quite good and I'm not a two stage guy at all. Needs a vertical grip badly, have one on order.
My only complaint, holy bolt lift and if you're not running it like a machine gun, heavy cock on close. I have many other custom actions and they're def way easier to run from positional without disturbing the rifle.
Was it wrong of me to expect it to be like my other 3-4k custom rigs? Probably.
Hopefully after I run a few hundred rounds through it, the action will break in a bit.
Regardless, looking forward to playing with it. Have an ats barrel tuner, axis works 5 port enabler brake, bag rider already here. Have a folder, barrel shroud and 2 barrel channel weights coming. Will likely get some the sawtooth keymod weight, might go ai too, not sure on the weights. Its has an exotic look to it. Have to drive it like a race car or it stumbles a bit, kind of like a heavy cammed big block. This has a totally different feel than the rest my rifles.
My only complaint, holy bolt lift and if you're not running it like a machine gun, heavy cock on close. I have many other custom actions and they're def way easier to run from positional without disturbing the rifle.
Was it wrong of me to expect it to be like my other 3-4k custom rigs? Probably.
Hopefully after I run a few hundred rounds through it, the action will break in a bit.
Regardless, looking forward to playing with it. Have an ats barrel tuner, axis works 5 port enabler brake, bag rider already here. Have a folder, barrel shroud and 2 barrel channel weights coming. Will likely get some the sawtooth keymod weight, might go ai too, not sure on the weights. Its has an exotic look to it. Have to drive it like a race car or it stumbles a bit, kind of like a heavy cammed big block. This has a totally different feel than the rest my rifles.
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It’s Keyslot, not Keymod. There is a difference.
You're correct, my bad, still getting used to the ai terminology. Mlok would been so much easier. But since when has ai ever followed mainstream?
Bolt lift is heavy out of the box on these - night and day comparison to my short action AX, no question. It will take some use and lube to break it in. I've got roughly 2800 rounds fired on the action, as well as an ungodly amount of dry-firing, and it's as smooth as ever.
I thought that too but the keyslot really is better for precision rifles since it doesn't have hardware protruding on the inside and hitting the barrel. And while keyslot looks like keymod keyslot is solid because the tapers. And I like what AI did with the keyslot a on the AT-X angling then so they didn't look like racking at Home Depot or keymod. Plus Keyslot looks like a bunch o' penises so it's got that going for it.
I'd second that, my action smoothed up drastically over the first few weeks. It's still heavy vs custom actions or any 90 degree but it's not rough anymore.Bolt lift is heavy out of the box on these - night and day comparison to my short action AX, no question. It will take some use and lube to break it in. I've got roughly 2800 rounds fired on the action, as well as an ungodly amount of dry-firing, and it's as smooth as ever.
To echo this, I think a lot of people mistake "smooth" for "light" and they are not the same. The actions have heavy lifts - I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that. They are heavy, but smooth.
Keyslot is superior to MLOK imo and kinda mandatory if you ever run a man contour…
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Only an AI fanboy would advocate keyslot over the industry standard…. Gotta be different.
No sniper is using a straight taper or heavy varmint on an AX etc. so the point about touching the barrel with mlok is irrelevant there. For the more competition geared ATX they could have simple made the rail slightly wider to accommodate that. Not that hard. Point is AI wants to use a proprietary system so you have to buy their overpriced accessories where their profit margins are through the roof. This is nothing new and they didn’t invent this strategy. Most contractors model their aftermarket businesses in the same manner. To say it’s a better choice business wise is one thing. But to actually think it was better for the consumer is pretty naive. If you want key slot you’re in the minority.
No sniper is using a straight taper or heavy varmint on an AX etc. so the point about touching the barrel with mlok is irrelevant there. For the more competition geared ATX they could have simple made the rail slightly wider to accommodate that. Not that hard. Point is AI wants to use a proprietary system so you have to buy their overpriced accessories where their profit margins are through the roof. This is nothing new and they didn’t invent this strategy. Most contractors model their aftermarket businesses in the same manner. To say it’s a better choice business wise is one thing. But to actually think it was better for the consumer is pretty naive. If you want key slot you’re in the minority.
Do you have a at-x?
Why would you want more space around the barrel ?
Just what I want. High bore over arca height. Thicker foreend to grab. Higher height clip on rail.
Smh.
Pic of AI for AI thread.
Yes I own an ATX. Did you not read the above comment where someone said mlok could interfere with fat barrels with the current thickness of the ATX forend?
You complain of a wider forend on a comp gun where guys are throwing on gamer plates. Do you even shoot PRS?
How would it affect height over bore making the forend wider? And I’m the retard? Nobody attaches shit to the bottom anyway. That’s what the arca is for. Remove it and pass the machine time savings on to the customer. If you want add a small section up front for a pic rail.
The looooong weight needs a hole to access the quicklock bolt to change barrels.
Brought it up. Might be Too late in the game to change anything now with all the weights he’s done and anodize.
Take the extra 5-10 seconds to remove that single weight. You’ll live...
It’s called an opinion. It literally can’t be “wrong” by definition. Each has their pros and cons. But if you think the entire gun industry chose wrong then that’s certainly an opinion you’re entitled to.
And for a quick change barrel system like my LMT, mlok makes absolutely zero sense, because you have to remove all the mlok attachments to get the barrel out. If you've got weights all the way down the rail like hic28s pic above, total pain in the ass.
Don't know if mlok on the atx would have the same problem or not.
Hence the above comment about making the rail slightly wider to accommodate said interference.
