Also have to remember what we consider effective and what the military considers effective are very different. I've had my A5 out to 1200 yards hitting targets but the mil i believe says it's effective range is 800 or 900 yards. Similarly I believe they state the 300wm is a 1300 yard gun effective range. We all know the 308 and 300wm can be shot much farther in either cal. The "goal posts" for civilians and mil are different.
I can't remember which thread i got into the discussion but the AMU typically picks the lowest twist needed to stabilize what they plan to shoot. For instance we were discussing 223/556 and they choose 8 twist slinging 77 class bullets rather than the common 7 twist we would all pick. Some of their beliefs are people over twist and they get more long range consistency with less over twist.
My personal opinion? With the selection of bullets and components we have today it doesn't matter. There is a combo you can make work in any common twist. My go to 308 has a 12 twist and is easier to load and shoot than rifles i have in 11.25 and 10 twist. Some even built with the same exact reamer. Even if you don't hand load the variety of factory options is large enough you'll find something that works.
I can't remember which thread i got into the discussion but the AMU typically picks the lowest twist needed to stabilize what they plan to shoot. For instance we were discussing 223/556 and they choose 8 twist slinging 77 class bullets rather than the common 7 twist we would all pick. Some of their beliefs are people over twist and they get more long range consistency with less over twist.
My personal opinion? With the selection of bullets and components we have today it doesn't matter. There is a combo you can make work in any common twist. My go to 308 has a 12 twist and is easier to load and shoot than rifles i have in 11.25 and 10 twist. Some even built with the same exact reamer. Even if you don't hand load the variety of factory options is large enough you'll find something that works.
Does anybody have a diagram or a set of instructions on how to adjust the original first, I'll call it aftermarket two stage AI trigger that Tom made for AI? I don't know if that's the same as the AI comp trigger they're putting out now. I've got one in a AIAT I'd like to make a little heavier.
Do you have a picture? I have a few AI triggers from the 80s and 90s with adjustable trigger shoes that could probably be mistaken for aftermarket, but are internally the same as all "regular" AI triggers. Or is yours an older variant of the comp trigger that were designed/sold under the CG, Jackson, or Xtreme brand?
I believe it was the CG Jackson/extreme trigger that probably came out 2019 maybe 2020 that has evolved into the AI competition. it's an AI branded replacement two-stage.
So to come off like a self-sucking dick, I finally took my new-ish factory 6CM barrel and 108gr ELD-M out to true velocity (I'm an old Fudd with an old chronograph).
650 yards. I'll admit now that the first group was a fluke and probably not repeatable. The second group wasn't a slouch either though.
One mag was all I got in after haying, and then it was time for chores. Just came in from setting 2-7/8" drill pipe fence posts in concrete (I do concrete work and bench presses as side jobs
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26" Bartlein, 1:7.25". Velocity looks like it is going to be ~3,060 since I was still almost 2 inches high at 3.5.
650 yards. I'll admit now that the first group was a fluke and probably not repeatable. The second group wasn't a slouch either though.
One mag was all I got in after haying, and then it was time for chores. Just came in from setting 2-7/8" drill pipe fence posts in concrete (I do concrete work and bench presses as side jobs
). 26" Bartlein, 1:7.25". Velocity looks like it is going to be ~3,060 since I was still almost 2 inches high at 3.5.
Internally I'm pretty sure they're mostly the same. CG triggers have always been the same internally and I believe it was the guys at the (now-closed) Shooting Shed in the UK that developed the CG design by Robert Chombart to fit AIs. I had a look at all the diagrams I could find online a while ago and it looked like there was no difference in the general design between the two, so you should be fine to use the Competition Trigger adjustment guide, or a generic CG adjustment guide below.
Although I must say, the original AI trigger is probably better for a heavier pull. The only thing really limited on it is the lack of first stage travel. One of my really old triggers actually has first stage travel adjustment as the housing is machined from billet rather than sheet metal, so there is enough meat at the top for an additional screw for first stage travel adjustment. LRI use triggers from Grunig and Elmiger for some of their custom builds, which has remained unchanged for almost a 40 years now and is essentially identical in mechanical design to the AI trigger, except the AI trigger has a fixed fulcrum point and means it generally doesn't work as well with a lighter spring, whereas G&E can go to 100g or less like a 22 match trigger. Both designs stemmed from the same old variant of the Anschutz Match 54 trigger. The Tubb trigger is essentially a copy of the Grunig and Elmiger trigger
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@diggler1833 nice rifle and really nice shooting. You may have posted it before but what color is that?
Nice shooting!So to come off like a self-sucking dick, I finally took my new-ish factory 6CM barrel and 108gr ELD-M out to true velocity (I'm an old Fudd with an old chronograph).
650 yards. I'll admit now that the first group was a fluke and probably not repeatable. The second group wasn't a slouch either though.
One mag was all I got in after haying, and then it was time for chores. Just came in from setting 2-7/8" drill pipe fence posts in concrete (I do concrete work and bench presses as side jobs
26" Bartlein, 1:7.25". Velocity looks like it is going to be ~3,060 since I was still almost 2 inches high at 3.5.
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Dude, I shot 6cm most 2024 and love the round. Good work. Sometimes hard to spot impacts here in South TX summer but i like that round a lot.So to come off like a self-sucking dick, I finally took my new-ish factory 6CM barrel and 108gr ELD-M out to true velocity (I'm an old Fudd with an old chronograph).
650 yards. I'll admit now that the first group was a fluke and probably not repeatable. The second group wasn't a slouch either though.
One mag was all I got in after haying, and then it was time for chores. Just came in from setting 2-7/8" drill pipe fence posts in concrete (I do concrete work and bench presses as side jobs
26" Bartlein, 1:7.25". Velocity looks like it is going to be ~3,060 since I was still almost 2 inches high at 3.5.
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It burns barrels quick though
It does well enough. I'd probably do a dasher or GT if I had to do it over again. They just seem easier to load for. My buddy had a 6x47 reamer and I had a bunch of 6.5x47 brass so it was easy to do. I was thinking it would be as easy to setup as my 6.5x47 (my favorite round) but it isn't. Not bad but not 6.5x47 easy.
Sounds like I'm comparing but it holds .45" to .3" nearly constantly.
I'm near convinced I could throw anything into a 6.5x47 case and it would give me results i could compete with.
Yeah, I'm on 6CM barrel #2. I gave up on the round after I burned the first barrel out in 1,400 rounds (and I shoot slow)...but it is hard not to come back when the midrange ballistics are stinking good. It is like a little magnum (until you get out to real distance).
Oh hey gents. I sold my ASR kit 2 years ago (a dumbass move for sure and not recommended. Don’t try it you’ll be full of regret) and I’m back baby. Looking for an AXSR to buy and sad to see 308 bolts now made out of unobtainium. What are the odds of me finding an Mlok rail for an AXSR? Also unobtainium?
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Since i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
If you were worried about support as a civilian in the first place, AI is the wrong brand. That said, I sent my AX in for service post discontinuation and didn’t have any issues.Since i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
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I say go for it. I like the sand elite but the green is not bad at allSince i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
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I really liked sage green but honestly any AI color I've seen is nice. If it's setup how you like do it.
Re: AI color
I have heard He is not amused.
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Lovely 👌 I wish there was a way to mount the thumb rest to the non folders 😒 I might just have to get the stock converted to a folder. I don’t think the folder has anything to do with it, it attaches with 2 new parts. One fits into the skin and the other is screwed through the QD socket from...
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Me shaking my can of green paint trying to figure out which one I should spray first
It’s been a minute. ZCO 8-40 finally came in last weekend.
Didnt have the Guts to take the dremel out. Let a highly trusted gunsmith do the work
Think it turned out pretty well.
Think it turned out pretty well.
Thank God. Definitely turned out well. Beautiful rifle, seriously.Didnt have the Guts to take the dremel out. Let a highly trusted gunsmith do the work
Think it turned out pretty well.
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What is this strange muzzle forward device under your bolt ?
Never seen it before.
Love your rifle by the way, it’s very nice.
That is slick! Beautiful workDidnt have the Guts to take the dremel out. Let a highly trusted gunsmith do the work
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This guy is a solid cook! Show us lamb chop pics bro
Do it. My AXMC has been the best rifle I’ve ever owned. It’s heavy as hell, but so much fun to shoot. 300NM has been my go to lately.Since i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
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I have two Sage Green AXMCs, and one Elite Sand AXSR. I have shot one of the MCs in 338LM, 6.5CM, and now it's 300NM. The other MC has never seen anything but 338NM. The SR has only been 300PRC. I never ran into any LFP/primer trouble with 338NM or 338LM (the 338NM is all handloads, the 338LM has been all Berger factory 300gr ammo). I never had LFP/primer issues with the 6.5 shooting factory Hornady 140 ELD ammo, but I DID start piercing primers with the Berger 144gr factory load, so I got a SFP .308 bolt assembly for it. Then, I got into the same trouble with the 300NM shooting Berger 230gr factory ammo, and I replaced the 338 bolt assembly for that rifle with the SFP version . The one that is set up for 338NM came from AI in that chambering, and has never been changed to anything else. It still has the LFP it came with and has never had an issue for over 1500 rds.Since i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
Since i couldnt get the 50cal, some money is left to do some foolish stuff
I have all the rifles i need and prefer to practice a lot.
Right now stumbled across an unfired axmc in sage green.
I have not seen any troubles with those rifles besides the lfp/sfp. Interested in 308/338lm only. Rifle comes with both bolts, mag change kit and barrels.
Biggest concern right now is the fact the model is discontinued. Thinking of how lost i am with finding sidestocks for my aw/awm, i am thinking about what happens if i need support with this one.
The color is great though
I prefer this one over the newer models but well...whats your opinion on the support issue?
What about the trigger, is this a comp trigger?
Any thoughts about good/bad are welcome.
I don't think there has been much of an issue with LFP/primer problems when shooting any of the original cartridges the rifle was originally intended for (.308, 300WM, and .338LM) with the possible exception of small-primer .308s (maybe?). If you did run into a problem, a new SFP bolt assembly is available, albeit on a semi-sporadic basis sometimes, and will fix the problem.
An un-touched MC will have the original, battle-proven AI trigger, not a Comp trigger, or the hybrid one in the SR. I prefer the MC trigger for its track record. It can not be adjusted as low as the SR, but I don't find it to be an issue at all. It's great, to me. I've not had any problems with the SR trigger either, but some have reported it, and usually it just needs cleaning when it occurs.
Given the choice between a brand new MC vs SR, I'd go with the MC (but the SR is really close, it's just preference). If you can get the MC at a significantly lower price than a new SR, I'd take it in a heartbeat. As far as support, they aren't really an "old" design yet. I suspect parts availability will be good for some time, especially anything important for the rifle to function. "Availability" for parts, in the AI world, has to be taken in context, because parts for even their newest designs can be frustrating to get. Just to be on the safe side, you might consider picking up a SFP bolt assembly for each of the sizes you intend to shoot - just whenever you see them available, just in case. That way, you already have what you need IF you experience primer problems, AND you have "spare parts" already on hand if even if never need them.
I’m going on week #5 waiting for replacement flush cup sockets to come from AINA to replace the out of spec ones on my new to me 2014 AT.
I ordered a set from Sporting Services UK at the same time.
Let’s see who wins
I ordered a set from Sporting Services UK at the same time.
Let’s see who wins
I'm afraid to test mine to see if I need me ones also 
I'm afraid to test mine to see if I need me ones also
It’s worse to not test them and have the rifle go bouncing down the stairs…trust me
weird...never had a savage do that....It’s worse to not test them and have the rifle go bouncing down the stairs…trust me
Just a good photo and wanted to share. Got some nice depth of field in it. 2018 AT308
I've seen that most ATs have this additional QD cup that mine doesn't, is it a standard option or an add on?
no idea...my 15 year AT has it as well. Both sides. Is yours a folder? I could see non folders not needing it.
