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Advantage of case concetricity? NONE

Re: Advantage of case concetricity? NONE

My ammo shoots about .15" better than factory at 100 yards. What is it? Consistent charge weight? Concentricity?

I don't know. What I do know is that what I am doing is better than what the factory is doing as far as results go. But I agree, you need to have a certain level of skill and a good rifle to be able to discern the difference. YMMV.
 
Re: Advantage of case concetricity? NONE

Concentricity will always be important to some shooters, and for some shooters it will help help their performance to a useful degree.

It will help shooters with SAAMI chambers less than those with tight necks. Where group size meaurements down to the second and third decimal count, it will be important.

I resize differently from most, using a standard F/L resizing die and neck sizer ball. I back off the die several turns, leaving a significant portion of the neck (and a similar length of the lower case wall) untouched.

This expanded portion of the case wall and neck helps align the case more concentric to the chamber's central axis when the case is inserted completely into the chamber. To some degree, this addresses the OP's original concept.

Another technique is to do my final die lockdown with a case inserted and the press at full stroke. This will help get the die as close as I can get it to ideally aligned with the case.

I figure that going beyond these basic steps just undermines my confidence in my ammo and my handloading effectiveness, and introduces issues that I neither want to deal with nor honestly believe are going to have a significant benefit, given my own marksmanship frailties.

In the end, the problems we have are quite often of our own making. I see it as a question of priorities. I go after the big issues and settle for whatever smaller ones remain.

As for the question of why handloaded ammo is more accurate then factory, I am willing to make the charge weights more consistent. The rest is a matter of case prep, which I would do in any case, and some attention to neck tension (which is at the foundation of how and why I do partial length neck resizing).

Greg
 
Re: Advantage of case concetricity? NONE

A couple of other thoughts... yes, concentricity matters less for gas operated weapons. It also matters less if your cartridge is headspaced in a manner that it is not a tight fit in the chamber. If not, it is possible that the bullet won't be concentric to the bore.

If you have a tight chamber / cartridge fit, then the ejector might add some tension to the case head, but it will not cause the cartridge to be eccentric.

A lot of match guns go without ejectors for three good reasons: 1) you don't end up flinging the brass, which you will be reloading with, into the next zip code, 2) your case neck won't get dinged up as you are ejecting the casing (I actually push on my case as I am ejecting to prevent this from happening), 3) more case support allows for slightly more cartridge support, and even higher pressures.

I have never heard anyone cite concentricity as a reason to go without an ejector.

The obvious downside to no ejector is the increase time it takes to manually eject a cartridge. It is a bad idea for almost anything but benchrest and F-class. I wouldn't even do it for Palma given the extra effort to remove a casing and potentially having to rebuild position.