Rifle Scopes Advice on very durable Optic.

Never mind what it's going to be for or the usual questions, I don't fall into that stuff, I use tools for whatever I might want too use them at certain points even if it's not the best choice for the task.

And to think we could have tricked you into supplying us with information about intended use so we could recommend something, you sly fox.

Just mount a steel pipe to the top of your rifle to look through, itll be 0x, and never be the best choice for the task, but who cares as long as you can smash it into the earth without harm.
 
Never mind what it's going to be for or the usual questions, I don't fall into that stuff, I use tools for whatever I might want too use them at certain points even if it's not the best choice for the task.

Would you use a ratchet or a Kahles in place of a framing hammer? Shit I think we know what happened to the k624i...

When I mean durable and rugged, I mean Military testing or hard hunting or better.

What qualifies as “better?” A Nightforce being used on a decade of deployments?
 
OK, some of you guys who have SCAR17s chime in.

Is nailing a 20" target at 1760 yards with a 308 semi complete bullshit or is it reasonably doable?

I'm voting for complete bullshit

General disclaimer: I am going to ignore the whole sammich maker business since that is a little too easy and try to address the specific questions.

That is sort of an interesting question. Generally, that is a bit too far to hit anything consistently with any 308, semi or bolt. However, given enough time, it is statistically quite probable.

I have seen a few SCAR 308s be reasonably accurate, but most seem to be in the 1MOA - 2MOA range with decent ammo. There are a lot of itnernet claims of quarter MOA groups and all that, but I have a suspicion that they are just that, internet claims. My LR-308 has shot a sub-0.5MOA five shot group once, but that does not make it a 1/2 MOA gun (or me a 1/2 MOA shooter).

Either way, as far as 308 semi-auto accuracy goes, SCAR is very respectable and shooting it out to a mile is probably a lot of fun if you are the masochistic type. I've never tried to take a 308 that far though.

On the scope durability issue: SCAR seems to have a fairly shard secondary recoil impulse from the bolt slamming forward. How hard it is on guns seems to be fairly overblown, but it is probably wise to look for something that is rated for powerful springer airguns that have the same kidn of a sharp impulse in the wrong direction.

Most quality scope makers test for that, but some make a bigger deal out of it than the others.

Of the high end scope makers, March comes to mind since I recall they mounted a couple of their scopes backwards on a 50 cal just to see if it is going to budge anything. The scope survived just fine, so it will probably work well enough on a SCAR. I am not sure which configuration you are looking for, but personally, I would put their 1-8x24 FFP on it. That scope is very appropriate for the rifle. 8x is not too much, but March optical quality is very good and it is not a precison rifle anyway. You can, of course, step up to something like the 3-24x52.

All that having been said, if I were you, rather than screw around with fancy optics, I would just get a couple of fixed power SWFA scopes and save some money. For experimenting at long distance, they work fine. Tracking is good and the adjustment range is quite generous.

Personally, I would probably just put a SWFA SS 10x42HD on there with a red dot in a 45 deg mount and call it a day. Kinda like what I described here:
http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2227

ILya
 
Good lord. How is a .308 (7.62) rifle killing scopes? Even if it was class III there's no tier one scope that should even blink at .380 recoil (especially on a gas gun!). It's not like you're shooting some wildcat, monster magnum. It's not like your jumping HALO with this rifle.
I have a Kahles on my comp rifle, and it gets bashed around, jammed through stuff, and generally mistreated at matches at least as severely as most work gun scopes. Still ticking. I see them on lots of other rifles, and it is rare you hear about one failing (though they all can fail).

I have most of those scopes, and I believe NF and S&B to be the "toughest", though if you're breaking a Khales because of :SCAR 17, noting is going to hold up.

When you shoot...are you using one of these on the scope?
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he has a broke trigger

he uses that high dollar hammer to smack the action to shoot
 
OK, some of you guys who have SCAR17s chime in.

Is nailing a 20" target at 1760 yards with a 308 semi complete bullshit or is it reasonably doable?

I'm voting for complete bullshit


I don't think even if I was lucky, I could hit a target that small at that range. You know who he should PM? If I were him, I'd PM LL. Be sure to call him snookums, he LOVES that.
 
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I’ll give OP 1 style point for knowing how to jump right in and stir up the old shit pot.

With teal season on the horizon waders should be in stock and I must recommend them before wading into the morass of this thread.

Put some egg crate foam around a Tasco, makes it just as tough as other scopes. Sharpie a reticle on the front objective lens and never worry about a zero shift or tracking. Kentucky windage never breaks.

Think of all the new pants “sammich maker” could get with those savings to wear in the relationship.
 
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Listen to @koshkin.

A lot of people are going to give you really bad advice on optics because they only shoot matches. Or they were issued the cheapest piece of crap the Army could afford. I don't use anything that is issued by Uncle Sam...if they bought it, it's probably junk.

The Schmidt's we have at work suck by the way. Super unreliable garbage.

If I were you, I would order the March Genesis 6-60x for your Scar. 6x magnification is really good for CQB, but 60x will make hitting a mile really easily. And March scopes are far and away better than anything out there. They are hand assembled by technicians and thoroughly tested before they leave the factory...not just thrown together by some underpaid assembly line interns.
Obviously you and Buddly, I mean caiquewhisperer, must treat you scopes the same way if you think S&B is “super, unreliable garbage”. Not a fan boy or anything, but they sure seem like they deserve the general opinion of 99% of marksmen to me...

March makes great scopes too, no doubt. Though, I have rifles that will actually shoot 1,700 yards, and I don’t need but half of X60 to see the target,,, Maybe if Buddly is trying to be the next KO2Mi he needs a X60 scope for his .308 gas gun...?
 
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^ just as dumb as soros
Obviously you and Buddly, I mean caiquewhisperer, must treat you scopes the same way if you think S&B is “super, unreliable garbage”. Not a fan boy or anything, but they sure seem like they deserve the general opinion of 99% of marksmen to me...

March makes great scopes too, no doubt. Though, I have rifles that will actually shoot 1,700 yards, and I don’t need but half of X60 to see the target,,, Maybe if Buddly is trying to be the next KO2Mi he needs a X60 scope for his .308 gas gun...?

 
Obviously you and Buddly, I mean caiquewhisperer, must treat you scopes the same way if you think S&B is “super, unreliable garbage”. Not a fan boy or anything, but they sure seem like they deserve the general opinion of 99% of marksmen to me...

March makes great scopes too, no doubt. Though, I have rifles that will actually shoot 1,700 yards, and I don’t need but half of X60 to see the target,,, Maybe if Buddly is trying to be the next KO2Mi he needs a X60 scope for his .308 gas gun...?


The Joke.
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Your head.
 
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Wait... I think this is Bubbly.

Can't be, he hasn't PM'd or posted anything like this yet:
I don’t know who the fuck you think you are a motherfucker but if you come around me I’m a run your ass all over the fucking place bitch

Fucking puke

BTW, the above is (verbatim) the PM I got from our dearly departed Buddly, and that ain't no shit neither.
 
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That is sort of an interesting question. Generally, that is a bit too far to hit anything consistently with any 308, semi or bolt. However, given enough time, it is statistically quite probable.
Fair enough. I should have specified some probability interval around it......

Though as a serious 308 shooter I do know what he's trying to do is much like pissing to windward.
 
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Can't be, he hasn't PM'd or posted anything like this yet:


BTW, the above is (verbatim) the PM I got from our dearly departed Buddly, and that ain't no shit neither.

Wow, thanks for sharing what was probably meant as a very special moment just between you two!

That guy was something else. You ought to check out another one in NV, has to do with thermal seeing streamers coming out of people's heads and invisible beams. MAKE SURE you read down to my post before you respond though. It makes it even better, trust me. Hats off to DefSec008.
 
Wow, thanks for sharing what was probably meant as a very special moment just between you two!

That guy was something else. You ought to check out another one in NV, has to do with thermal seeing streamers coming out of people's heads and invisible beams. MAKE SURE you read down to my post before you respond though. It makes it even better, trust me. Hats off to DefSec008.

Oh yeah, I was in from the start on that one. LOL
 
Hahah, killer. Didn't know this was "Single Mother Raised SJWs Hide" I assumed it was "Sniper's Hide". For the ones that got their feeling's hurt, my father used to tell my cousin when my brother and I would mess with her, "Time and Ice Cream Sweetheart, it heals all".

Time and Ice Cream!

Scars have killed a few NF optics, I don't think it's the ATCR line. This was a couple years ago that I saw a few threads about it at FN and I believe it was the NXS or the SV line.

I'm leaning towards the S&B so any truth to the lower magnification not being as good as the higher magnification?
 
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This is the turd after the Scar and 40 rds. Hard to see on the lower mag but at 15 it was huge. You can see the particles or dust around the reticle. there were at least 25 of those particles all over the place the first day and later just the 4 you see there. Elevation stopped working as well, it wouldn't raise the poi. Hate to burst bubbles and have you start early menstruation but that was my experience like it or not.
 
Gotta hand it to you for the thick skin.

This guy is definitely not our beloved Buddly.

Hahah, "thick skin"?? You make that judgement over WORDS on the internet by a bunch of fags getting their feelings hurt over words? Hate to disappoint but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than words to even begin to get to me. I think it's funny actually because of the expectation that there'd be more Men here. Carry on!