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AUSTIN — Texas hunters could soon be able to book trips on helicopters to shoot wild hogs and coyotes under a plan approved by lawmakers Monday that would dramatically expand the state’s strict rules on aerial hunting.

The bill, which passed the Texas House on a 137-9 vote, would allow landowners to sell seats on helicopters for such hunts. Estimates show that as many as 3.4 million feral hogs roam Texas, and bill sponsor Rep. Sid Miller of Stephenville argued that aerial hunting is the most effective way to control the animals.

The hogs — which sometimes weigh more than 300 pounds — destroy crops, trample fences and eat anything in their path, causing an estimated $400 million a year in damage.

Miller said he decided to add coyotes to the legislation after hearing reports from frightened homeowners who aren’t accustomed to seeing them.

“They’ve ... started encroaching in the urban areas, people are losing pets and they’re coming up in their yards,” Miller said.

Under current rules, Texans can pay a contractor to conduct helicopter hunts over their land. In 2010, there were 116 active permits for aerial hunting, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife spokesman Tom Harvey.

Bobcats, red foxes, wild dogs and various non-native “exotic” animals also can be hunted from the skies under the program, Harvey said.

The bill that passed Monday would allow landowners to take money from hunters who go up in the helicopters to hunt either feral hogs or coyotes, potentially making a profit.

Rep. Eddie Lucio, a Democrat from Brownsville who voted against the measure, said it was the wrong way to deal with a serious problem.

“It’s making a business out of shooting animals out of a helicopter,” Lucio said. “They’re allowing them to sell those hunts, market those hunts...that’s not sport. That’s not hunting. That’s not the Texas way.”
 
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Not sure how I feel about that. I understand they are pests... But leaving them there wounded to bleed out? I dunno... I at least hope they come round and pick the bodies up after?

Sure is effective though!
 
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If you lived in Texas, and owned land (like me), you wouldn't feel bad about letting pigs lay. They can destroy a large area of a hay pasture or crop in an evening. A sow can have 2 litters a year of 6-8.
 
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That would be a fun filled day right there! Always wanted to hunt hogs but this makes me want to hunt them even more!
 
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It's actually pretty hard to find a lot of the hogs that have been shot. I have been up twice and the country was pretty thick. Unless you gps all 100 of them you can't remember where they all are. I have busted a large one and thought I knew right where it was, went back and was totally off and couldn't not find it even though I knew it was full of holes and dead as fried chicken. Been there - done that. You get caught up in all the action, it happens pretty fast!!
 
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The thing that upsets me is that some (NOT ALL) farmers and landowners complain about the hog problem, yet want to charge for the right to shoot them. If they are really that big of a problem, get some responsible hunters to help manage them.

FYI, i'm not against aerial shooting of hogs or letting the dead ones lay.
 
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Problem is that the TPWD has not figured out how to cash in on this, and the TTHA has not get their hands in this at all. Both organizations have ruined "Hunting" in Texas.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M855</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks fun until a few rounds go off inside the bird </div></div>

Then don't be a dumbass as shoot inside the bird.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing that upsets me is that some (NOT ALL) farmers and landowners complain about the hog problem, yet want to charge for the right to shoot them. If they are really that big of a problem, get some responsible hunters to help manage them.

FYI, i'm not against aerial shooting of hogs or letting the dead ones lay. </div></div>

Let me see if I can refute this totally misconstrued read of the current state of hog hunting in TX.

If you come on my land and shoot targets, or raccoons, do you think it is incumbent upon me to allow you to do so for free?

Access alone is worth a fee. When you say "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">right</span> to shoot hogs..." I respectfully submit that you should have said "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">privilege</span> of accessing property to shoot hogs...."

My ranch derives no income from cattle and very little from crops, most of which are usually destroyed by hogs. So, how intelligent would it be for me, to allow lodging in my cabin, feed hunters three meals a day, and do so for free?? Surely, ye jest.

It is not at all about taking that animal out as a wildlife resource. Hunting hogs, is real hunting because we actually stalk them on foot. I provide my hog hunting clients with suppressed rifles, NVD's and thermal imaging, so as to enhance the experience. It just so happens, that this would be illegal for game animals in TX. How many people get this experience deer hunting? None if they follow the law.

Therefore, when we allow you to come on our land, stay in our accommodations, and feed you three meals a day, we are selling the total experience, NOT the hogs.

Yes, there are way too many of them, yes they do tremendous damage, and killing them, repairing damage, and losing crops easily costs ranchers more money than some people make in a year. I could just as easily not allow any hunting at all, and fly over in the chopper and exterminate them, but that is not hunting, it is professional extermination.

Yeah, its fun, at first. But once you do it 2 or 3 times, you realize it is a dirty business. I hate hogs, and I love killing them, but I still love real hunting much more.

Not everyone is cut out for chopper hunting.
 
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We have been hunting hogs in helicopters for several years now. It is absolutely the most effective population control. Cost is $300.00 per hour with a $1200.00 minimum for the helicopter.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you lived in Texas, and owned land (like me), you wouldn't feel bad about letting pigs lay. They can destroy a large area of a hay pasture or crop in an evening. A sow can have 2 litters a year of 6-8.</div></div>

+1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Irrigator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Problem is that the TPWD has not figured out how to cash in on this, and the TTHA has not get their hands in this at all. Both organizations have ruined "Hunting" in Texas.</div></div>

This is very true. It wont be long until there is a fee associated with it.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HTR707</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing that upsets me is that some (NOT ALL) farmers and landowners complain about the hog problem, yet want to charge for the right to shoot them. If they are really that big of a problem, get some responsible hunters to help manage them.

FYI, i'm not against aerial shooting of hogs or letting the dead ones lay. </div></div>

Let me see if I can refute this totally misconstrued read of the current state of hog hunting in TX.

If you come on my land and shoot targets, or raccoons, do you think it is incumbent upon me to allow you to do so for free?

Access alone is worth a fee. When you say "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">right</span> to shoot hogs..." I respectfully submit that you should have said "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">privilege</span> of accessing property to shoot hogs...."

My ranch derives no income from cattle and very little from crops, most of which are usually destroyed by hogs. So, how intelligent would it be for me, to allow lodging in my cabin, feed hunters three meals a day, and do so for free?? Surely, ye jest.

It is not at all about taking that animal out as a wildlife resource. Hunting hogs, is real hunting because we actually stalk them on foot. I provide my hog hunting clients with suppressed rifles, NVD's and thermal imaging, so as to enhance the experience. It just so happens, that this would be illegal for game animals in TX. How many people get this experience deer hunting? None if they follow the law.

Therefore, when we allow you to come on our land, stay in our accommodations, and feed you three meals a day, we are selling the total experience, NOT the hogs.

Yes, there are way too many of them, yes they do tremendous damage, and killing them, repairing damage, and losing crops easily costs ranchers more money than some people make in a year. I could just as easily not allow any hunting at all, and fly over in the chopper and exterminate them, but that is not hunting, it is professional extermination.

Yeah, its fun, at first. But once you do it 2 or 3 times, you realize it is a dirty business. I hate hogs, and I love killing them, but I still love real hunting much more.

Not everyone is cut out for chopper hunting. </div></div>

I believe the point JCH was making was is that we are constantly hearing about how bad the pig problem is in Texas and other states and how farmers are just loosing their asses due to crop damage and they just wish someone would come down and kill them. <span style="font-style: italic">And pay them to do it </span>. You see, most of us have been lead to believe the pigs are a real problem for farmers, not a revenue source. So are they a problem and need to be eradicated? Or are they a source of income for farmers? You sell pig hunts and don't complain about damage. We aren't talking about you.

Also hogs need to be exterminated. To treat them as anything more then rats in a grain bin is ignorant as hell, especially if one cares about the native habitat and wildlife.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308crosshairs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or all that brass jams the controls...oh shit now what? </div></div>

The pilot(at least the two I have been up with) requires you to use a brass catcher if you are using an AR.
 
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I have noticed.... that everyone who thinks they should be paid or be able to hunt for free on MY ranch, that I pay for.... doesn't own a place of their own.

I get that you think these hogs are a PITA, they are. If you knew how hard it is for the average hunter in TX to hang on to a lease, manage that lease and see the results of their labors, you might understand a bit more. There are damn few spots of land here in Texas, wanting for someone to shoot over it. If you own land, you have more family than you can realize that would like to hunt "yore place". Not to mention friends, etc etc. Care to guess how many are there to help fix the broken plumbing, clear shooting lanes, and the hundreds of little things needed to keep a place going? Oh, and keep your real job, (the one that pays for the place) strong?

APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE if the above hurts your feelings, too bad. You have opinions about things you know nut-thin about. You wanna hunt for free on some ranchers place... show up to help with chores, and not expect anything, you might be surprised. Show up thinking you're doing the man a favor.... well, hope this makes it clearer.

HTH, hadn't seen you around lately, hope all is well. Always enjoy reading about your exploits!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: farmer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have been hunting hogs in helicopters for several years now. It is absolutely the most effective population control. Cost is $300.00 per hour with a $1200.00 minimum for the helicopter.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you lived in Texas, and owned land (like me), you wouldn't feel bad about letting pigs lay. They can destroy a large area of a hay pasture or crop in an evening. A sow can have 2 litters a year of 6-8.</div></div>

+1

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Irrigator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Problem is that the TPWD has not figured out how to cash in on this, and the TTHA has not get their hands in this at all. Both organizations have ruined "Hunting" in Texas.</div></div>

This is very true. It wont be long until there is a fee associated with it.

</div></div>

saltwater tamp, archery stamp, muzzle loader stamp...... helicopter stamp.

you know as well as I that TP&W isn't going to miss the chance to charge for something.
 
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Aerial iradication is an extremely effective tool. Ted Nugent invited me to participate in one last month. We use the meat to feed struggling families in the area.

I also take folks on guided hunts at no charge (mostly soldiers) as part of a ministry to reach out and give back. Helicopter iradication has its place. It may not be yours but it may be someone elses.

The land owners deserve every dime of compensation they get for it too. One farm I hunt looses hundreds of acres a year to the problem. I am just fortunate the farmer likes having me around to help w/ the problem.

Dave
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308crosshairs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or all that brass jams the controls...oh shit now what?</div></div>

We will be doing our flying and shooting from an MD-500C, and our pilot who previously flew Little Birds said he has flown with brass in the cockpit up to his ankles.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HTR707</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The thing that upsets me is that some (NOT ALL) farmers and landowners complain about the hog problem, yet want to charge for the right to shoot them. If they are really that big of a problem, get some responsible hunters to help manage them.

FYI, i'm not against aerial shooting of hogs or letting the dead ones lay. </div></div>

Let me see if I can refute this totally misconstrued read of the current state of hog hunting in TX.

If you come on my land and shoot targets, or raccoons, do you think it is incumbent upon me to allow you to do so for free?

Access alone is worth a fee. When you say "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">right</span> to shoot hogs..." I respectfully submit that you should have said "charge for the <span style="font-style: italic">privilege</span> of accessing property to shoot hogs...."

My ranch derives no income from cattle and very little from crops, most of which are usually destroyed by hogs. So, how intelligent would it be for me, to allow lodging in my cabin, feed hunters three meals a day, and do so for free?? Surely, ye jest.

It is not at all about taking that animal out as a wildlife resource. Hunting hogs, is real hunting because we actually stalk them on foot. I provide my hog hunting clients with suppressed rifles, NVD's and thermal imaging, so as to enhance the experience. It just so happens, that this would be illegal for game animals in TX. How many people get this experience deer hunting? None if they follow the law.

Therefore, when we allow you to come on our land, stay in our accommodations, and feed you three meals a day, we are selling the total experience, NOT the hogs.

Yes, there are way too many of them, yes they do tremendous damage, and killing them, repairing damage, and losing crops easily costs ranchers more money than some people make in a year. I could just as easily not allow any hunting at all, and fly over in the chopper and exterminate them, but that is not hunting, it is professional extermination.

Yeah, its fun, at first. But once you do it 2 or 3 times, you realize it is a dirty business. I hate hogs, and I love killing them, but I still love real hunting much more.

Not everyone is cut out for chopper hunting. </div></div>

I believe the point JCH was making was is that we are constantly hearing about how bad the pig problem is in Texas and other states and how farmers are just loosing their asses due to crop damage and they just wish someone would come down and kill them. <span style="font-style: italic">And pay them to do it </span>. You see, most of us have been lead to believe the pigs are a real problem for farmers, not a revenue source. So are they a problem and need to be eradicated? Or are they a source of income for farmers? You sell pig hunts and don't complain about damage. We aren't talking about you.

Also hogs need to be exterminated. To treat them as anything more then rats in a grain bin is ignorant as hell, especially if one cares about the native habitat and wildlife. </div></div>


Hopefully, I can get this back on track, so we we're in agreement. You're right, I don't complain. I found a way to re-mediate the damage, by starting a night vision carnival ride, which also happened to kill lots of the bitches that needed to be killed. This way, I get revenue from a problem, to help solve that problem, and make lots of clients very happy in the process. I did that, by investing the money my clients paid, into better guns, suppressors, fishing / duck ponds. thermal gear, a very nice lodge, super-professional staff, and major affiliations with some bigger names in the business. This benefits everybody.

So, perhaps it is the guys that are complaining, that try to turn this into a freeloaders challenge. The hunters want free killing with target rich environment, minimal work, and free access, and these landowners believe that everyone that shows up will be totally responsible with the guns, even at night, won't stray off into neighbors' land , won't litter or leave gates open, and won't shoot calves in the process, and then agree to pay them for the access, to a place that might have NO HOGS.

Bottom line is that they are a problem that must be eradicated, Hunting them om land will never do that,,,it is futile. However, you can, using AR's with Hi Cap Mags, and NV, deprive them of use of certain areas, That seems to work pretty well for us. For the "other" farmers, sure they want them all dead, but imagine some of the 80 year old guys with a PVS-27 strapped on over that Night force, carrying around a suppressed 14 lb, AR-10 all night. going out into their corn to try get the bastards before the corn roots are pulled out of the ground. That is not fun to them.

Perhaps they need to represent themselves better?

this law will change the game for those that want to come to TX to hunt,,,,but it wont be cheap.
 
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We have flown our ranch for the last 4 or 5 years. At our place you could have a group hunt every weekend all year and you wouldn't keep up with the feral pigs. To go beyond and trap, bait, snare ext.. it becomes a full time job. Having full time jobs ourselves that's simply not an option. So aerial eradication is about the only good option to put a pretty good dent in the local population.
Due to the economy and things being tight, this will be the first year we decided it couldn't be justified. If this simply give's landowners a way to offset the cost of the chopper, I see it as a good thing. If some actually make a little money off it good for them. I assure you it will never offset the cost of owning and maintaining a large piece of land.
 
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Not the Texas way? BS I have been to Texas a few times and the libs are trying to make TX full of wimps like Ca. That is BS in my book. These guys who say it is not right do not have land. They are pest species. I am glad ND does not have them but if we did I would hunt them all the time.
 
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Helicopter Hog Hunting in Texas Made Safer with Industry Leading Aerial Safety Course

Texas is home to a serious feral hog problem; nearly 3.4 million at the last count ranking as the largest feral hog population in the nation. Feral hogs wreak havoc and cause extensive damage to property, livestock, crops and pastures across the state. The Texas Agri-Life Extension Service estimates that statewide annual economic damage caused by feral hogs is near $400 million and expected to worsen in the years ahead.

In an effort to help control this ever increasing population of feral hogs, the State of Texas allows certain helicopter operators to provide aerial hunting of feral hogs under permit from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. Current laws allow for private landowners to contract for a helicopter service to perform this aerial hunting service, but the landowner, or any other hunter they may designate, is not allowed to shoot the hogs from the aircraft.

“There are about 170 permits that have been issued to companies in Texas who are authorized to provide aerial hog eradication” states Mike Morgan, President of Houston-based Vertex Helicopters “Unfortunately, many landowners find that the rates for hiring a helicopter are too costly, so they try to hunt the hogs on their own from the ground, which is slow and cumbersome, and honestly doesn’t even make a dent in the population.”

The State of Texas is voting on a bill that will allow for a change in the laws regarding the hunting of feral hogs from a helicopter which will authorize the land owner, or the land owner’s “agent” (ie, private hunters) to actually hunt from the helicopter. This will essentially allow the landowner to “sell the hunter seat”, making it much more affordable to pay for the helicopter services.

“We fully support this Bill, but we see a number of potential problems arising when it passes. Our helicopters are flown by highly trained pilots, and the gunners are trained specifically to perform aerial hunting from a helicopter. This isn’t something that the average hunter is trained to do.” states Morgan. “Hunting from a helicopter requires strict coordination with the pilot, and also requires many different skill sets that are vastly different than normal hunting techniques. We're not exactly shooting from a pickup truck. Shooting from a helicopter isn’t as easy as people think.”

Vertex has developed an Aerial Hunter Safety Course that is specific to hunters who would be hiring a helicopter service to hunt hogs. "This isn’t your normal ‘Hunting Class’, either." continues Morgan, "This is an intensive safety course that will prepare the hunter to be able to know everything that they need to know about shooting from a helicopter, what do to in case of an emergency, and even helps them to understand the liability implications of worst case scenarios.”

"What happens if they accidentally shoot a rotor blade? What happens if they drop a magazine and it goes through the tail rotor? Things like this can destroy a helicopter. If it happens, who is liable? Our course gives the hunter detailed guidance on everything from the type of helicopter to contract, the best choice of weapon, how to shoot effectively, how to communicate with the pilot, and state laws governing hunting from a helicopter. The most important part of our training course is the hands-on actual firing from the helicopter at ground targets while the helicopter is moving.”

“We look forward to seeing this bill pass, but we feel strongly that there need to be very strict safety parameters put in place. Many of these aircraft cost in excess of $300,000, so if a hunter isn’t operating safely, or accidentally causes damage to a helicopter or injures someone then it’s all over the news with negative publicity. Our goal is to help prevent these problems and to make helicopter hunting a safe venture.”

Vertex Helicopters offers their Aerial Hunting Safety Course at least one weekend per month at a cost of $350 per attendee. The course is an all-day course with 4 hours of classroom instruction in the morning and hands-on training in the helicopter on an active range during the afternoon. Each class is limited to 12 people to keep the instruction more concentrated, resulting in more interaction and additional time for hands-on training. Depending on the location, VERTEX Helicopters will travel with one of the aircraft to perform the classes for larger groups at remote locations when scheduling allows.

VERTEX Helicopters is a full service helicopter company located at 8888 W. Monroe Rd at Hobby Airport in Houston, Texas. They can be reached at (281) 616-5095 or you can visit their website at http://www.vertexhelicopters.com or email them directly at [email protected].
 
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FYI...

Texas Senate approved the Bill (HB716) yesterday, so now it's off to the Governor to be written into law.

Goes into effect in September of this year...

Anyone feel like learning how to SAFELY shoot from a helicopter?

and also...

Our goal isn't "make a buck" from this...we already make money performing this service... Our goal is to provide hunters with a SAFER WAY to perform this service...

There are a number of companies in TX who have aerial permits. This is the most EFEECTIVE means of destroying an over-population of feral hogs. It's ALSO the most EXPENSIVE way to exterminate them, and MOST farmers, ranchers and other landowners that we deal with have the PROBLEM, but can rarely afford the means to REMOVE the problem. This change in the law GIVES them the ability to fix the problem at little to no cost to them.

We think that this is a very SMART, albeit RISKY move for the State of TX. Trust me, we are going to see a helicopter get a hole shot into the rotor system and Bubba is going to go out and rent an R-22 and a 20 year old pilot who has NO experience in low level or NOE flight and he's going to have a blade strike, overtorque, or just drive one into the ground. That is the nature of things to come.

Our goal is to PREVENT that from happeneing by EDUCATING the private Hunter.

Our program has been developed by myself (25 years flying helicopters, ex Army combat OH-58D helicopter pilot), 2 retired Delta Snipers, and 2 other special ops team members with YEARS of experience shooting from a helicopter. The program involves ACTUAL coordination with the pilot, emergency procedures, and everything you need to know to be SAFE in a helicopter while perfomring this type of pest control (ie Hog Huntin' from a helichopper').

I can't BEGIN to tell you the liability issues that can arise from just jumping into a helicopter un-trained and un-educated about what can happen.

Anyway, I digress...

There was a HUGE amount of lobbying to get this bill passed, but not because of what you think. This is LITERALLY a war against overpopulation of feral hogs, and the landownbers are the victims.

We're here to help them.

And now, we're here to help ALL OF YOU as well, to SAFELY shoot hogs from a helicopter.

IF you have ANY questions, I invite you to call me directly at 281-616-5095.

Good Hunting!

~Mike
VERTEX Helicopters

 
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Texas “Pork Chopper” Bill passes Senate, but raises serious concerns on Helicopter Hog Hunting Safety.

May 26, 2011

Houston, TX- For Immediate Release//

Texas State Senators joined with the House on Wednesday, May 18th 2011 and agreed to aid embattled Texas ranchers in performing “Aerial Warfare” against an estimated 4 million feral hogs that are destroying crops, endangering livestock, causing over $14 million in damages around the State. Under the legislation sponsored by Sen. Troy Fraser (R-Horseshoe Bay), landowners, or their agents, will now be allowed to rent helicopter space to hunters in order to hunt feral hogs and coyotes by air.

Hunters from all over the nation have been initiating contact with Texas landowners in order to secure valuable “hunting leases” so that they can rent a helicopter and hunt the feral hogs. This has raised serious concerns as to the future safety of the feral hog hunting program that is currently in effect throughout the State.

“We firmly support this legislation, because it will now give the famers and landowners a way to subsidize the Feral Hog Control problems here in Texas” states Mike Morgan, President of VERTEX Helicopters.

VERTEX Helicopters currently performs Aerial Feral Hog Control services under permit from the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department. Under this permit, helicopter operators are currently allowed to perform the aerial hog control for landowners for a fee. “Under the current laws, we provide the helicopter, the pilot, and the gunner.” states Morgan. “The new laws, however, will allow a landowner, or their ‘agent’, ie: a helicopter company, to allow private hunters to pay to shoot hogs from the helicopter. In the past this wasn’t legal.”

The change in law presents its own challenges, according to Morgan, “We have received around 10-15 calls each day since the bill passed the Senate from people who are wanting to charter a helicopter to hunt hogs. We try to make people understand that while the law may have changed to allow people to rent the seat, we aren’t about let ‘just anyone’ jump into the aircraft and punch off rounds at hogs. This isn’t a Helicopter Sport Hunting law. It’s a Feral Hog Eradication program. This law change just helps subside the costs.”

Many groups have begun to express concerns over the safety of hunters who aren’t trained to shoot from a moving helicopter, which has raised questions about liability, federal regulations and potential damage to helicopters.

“All of the gunners from our company go through an intensive helicopter weapons operations course that was developed based off of Military Special Operations tactics. We’re not about to let someone get into our aircraft, nor would any other helicopter operator in his right mind, unless that shooter has a strong understanding of helicopter hunting safety, let alone the legal and liability implications that go with it. ”

VERTEX has now leapt in front of the industry by offering a professional Helicopter Hog Hunting Safety Course that is specific to hunters who would be hiring a helicopter service to hunt feral hogs.

"This isn’t your normal ‘Hunting Class’, either." continues Morgan, "This is an intensive safety course developed using military special operations shooting tactics. Our course gives the hunter detailed guidance on everything from the type of helicopter to contract, pilot experience level requirements, the best choice of weapon, how to shoot effectively, how to communicate with the pilot, and all of the applicable state and federal laws governing hunting from a helicopter.”

Morgan adds, “This course will also prepare the hunter to be able to know about what do to in case of an emergency, and even helps them to understand the liability implications of worst case scenarios. What happens if they accidentally shoot a rotor blade? What happens if they drop a magazine and it goes through the tail rotor? Things like this can destroy a helicopter. These are all issues that need to be addressed before performing this aerial eradication service.”

“We are extremely happy to see this bill pass, but we feel strongly that there need to be very strict safety parameters put in place. If a hunter isn’t operating safely, or accidentally causes damage to a helicopter or injures someone, then it’s all over the news with negative publicity. Our goal is to help prevent potential accidents and to make helicopter hog hunting a safe venture.”

Vertex Helicopters offers their Aerial Hunting Safety Course two weekends per month at a cost of $350 per attendee. The course is an all-day course with 4 hours of classroom instruction in the morning and hands-on training in the helicopter on an active range during the afternoon. Each class is limited to 12 people to keep the instruction more concentrated, resulting in more interaction and additional time for hands-on training. Depending on the location, VERTEX Helicopters will travel with one of the aircraft to perform the classes for larger groups at remote locations when scheduling allows.

VERTEX Helicopters is a full service helicopter company located at 8888 W. Monroe Rd at Hobby Airport in Houston, Texas. They can be reached at (281) 616-5095 or you can visit their website at www.vertexhelicopters.com or email them directly at [email protected]
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

Sorry you felt that this was spam...it's not meant that way at all.

We've been travelling all over Texas putting on an educational seminar for the County Crop tours that are put on by the Agri-Life Extension Agents in each county...

As part of this program we're trying to educate both farmers and landowners; the people who are DIRECTLY affected by Feral Hog overpopulation of the changing legislation and the upcoming onslaught of hunters who are trying to jump into "Sport Hunting from a Helicopter".

MANY of the people on this site have ALOT of interest in shooting hogs from a helicopter, but alas, it isn't THAT easy. For a trained military "marksman" or trained sniper, it's second nature. For a self-taught civilian who has most likely NEVER even been IN a helicopter, the rules are changed. Now we're not just concerned with basic internal ballistics of the weapon, but now we have HUGE variables...projectile drift, rotor downwash error, yaw rate errors, and MANY more conditions that affect the round's trajectory...

Our GOAL with putting out these press releases is to let people know that this INHERENTLY DANGEROUS process of shooting feral hogs from a helicopter CAN BE CONDUCTED SAFELY with proper training...anyone who is a know-it-all and feels that they already know everything about aerial platform operations most likely WONT take our course...but they won't ever be allowed to fly with us either, and MANY operators are going to be adopting formal safety programs after the first helicopter gets shot out of the air by some trigger happy bubba who "thought" he already knew everything about aerial platform operations.

OUR goal is to depredate hogs, and to be EFFECTIVE at it. Shooting hogs in one area for a day then not coming back DOESNT WORK. The new laws will now assist the landowners in being able to SUBSIDIZE the eradication of these 350 lb rats.

You commented that I need to support the site...In all honesty, I AM supporting this site by providing an additional resource for hunters who are interested in professional training conducted by professional pilots and gunners. The entire program was developed based off of military low level and NOE flight tactics, and the shooting was developed using US Army Special OPS tactics, techniques and procedures...yeah..I'm Ex Amry pilot, and have family who was in Special Ops...so there's no bullshit in our program.

Am I using this platform as a sounding board? HELL YES...everyone who IS ON HERE does in some way, shape or form.

We train OUR pilots and OUR gunners to military standards before WE even perform aerial depredation..(helicopter hog hunting)...MOst all of the people on this site are prior military...but how many have shot out of a moving aircraft? Probably not many...

We offer a way to LEARN how to do that, so that when they CHOOSE a helicopter company to spend their hard earned $$ with...they will know the RIGHT questions to ask, and the PROPER safety procdures.

The response to our posts has been amazing..but the ONLY way to reach THIS CROWD is to post on forums LIKE THIS.

and BTW...I have recieved a HUGE number of PM's from people on this site who APPRECIATE the idea of the safety training program. We work hard to provide QUALITY training so that OUR helicopters and crews are safe...and so that OTHER companies can benefit from the training as well.

If you have a chance, click on this link and you can see that we ARE a credible agency, and WE DO concern ourselves with SAFETY...

http://www.click2houston.com/video/28177707/index.html

This is a story that aired last night on CHannel 2 in Houston. The reporter spent a full day with us and went though our safety course, which includes an actual hands-on flight training segment with live fire. How many other courses in the US do you get that opportunity for $350???

NOWHERE.

I invite YOU to check us out. I think you'll be impressed, and who knows, you MAY learn something. I learn something everytime we put on a course...both from seeing how people react in the aircraft, and from people who have different experiences.

Sorry for the diatribe amigo...

Best to ya!

Mike Morgan
President,
VERTEX Helicopters
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

The only reason there is a wild hog problem is because of this.

(embattled Texas ranchers in performing “Aerial Warfare” landowners, or their agents, will now be allowed to rent helicopter space to hunters in order to hunt feral hogs and coyotes by air.
Hunters from all over the nation have been initiating contact with Texas landowners in order to secure valuable “hunting leases” so that they can rent a helicopter and hunt the feral hogs.
“We firmly support this legislation, because it will now give the famers and landowners a way to subsidize the Feral Hog Control problems here in Texas” states Mike Morgan, President of VERTEX Helicopters. “The new laws, however, will allow a landowner, or their ‘agent’, ie: a helicopter company, to allow private hunters to pay to shoot hogs from the helicopter. In the past this wasn’t legal.”)

The land owner's want to Cry about wild game problem, yet they will not let anybody hunt them without Paying them! I hope the hogs eat them (land owner's) out of house & home (land)!!!!!

No way in Hell will I ever pay some land owner or anyone to hunt Wild Game Hogs,Deer,Birds,Ect.
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

I agree! The monetization of hunting has gotten to the point that unless you own land, or know someone you're friendly with who does, its unaffordable for most folks. I regularly see "ranches" charging $500+ to come for two nights, and on top of that trophy fees...so by the time you're done its well over $1000 to get a hog. Oh yes, they build cabins, provide some food and guide...but jeesh how about some options where you can bring a tent and your own food, and go scout the land yourself (ie hunt!!!!). That begs the question, is it really hunting when someone is showing you where to go, setting up your shot, or as they do in TX...setup a feeder. That's not hunting, its harvesting. For that matter why don't we just pay someone to bring the live hog or deer to our backyard and shoot it. That's about the challenge these days. Hunts weren't always supposed to be successful, that was part of the fun, really tracking and not knowing if you'd be successful or not. But since they charge so much money, they pretty much have to guarantee success or no one would pay. Rant over! Thank you.
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

I believe someone said where are the folks who'd help do chores around the place. I would be more than willing to give my time to a landowner to help them manage their land, build fences, dig ditches, whatever...for access. But anytime you bring up hunting, its all about money!

Yes, I do agree that people should be able to charge for access to their land, I just hope some folks would be open to other forms of remuneration.
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

Hogs are a major problem. I guess folks make money any way they can, but I would think owners would be glad to have the hogs killed as long as you don't destroy there property.

Back when I was a kid, you asked permission to hunt and if you killed something, you cleaned it and came back with some of the game cleaned and gave it to them.

How times have changed.
 
Re: Aerial Hog Hunts in Texas?

i am a land owner in a region of texas that once thrived growing peanuts. the area now grows almost nothing but cottom. the people of the area have a deep seeded hatred of hogs and kill them at any opportunity. i farm wheat and the hogs do very little damage to the wheat crop. i do believe they are hard on ground nesting birds but so are coyotes, bobcats, skunks, coons, etc. i have some respect for the hog. he is a survivor and will probably be here long after mankind has decimated himself. people would lead you to believe they just run through fences like bulldozers and tear up everything in sight. this is complete bullshit. they go under fences just like most deer do. they do root around and if it is concentrated in a small area it does look unsightly but anyone who has ever hunted the hog in his turf on hands and knees armed with a pistol or bow would never take joy in gunning them down from a helicopter just to watch them die. the first hogs i ever shot were spotlighted with a rifle. that was over 15 years ago and i have not done it since. i like to HUNT them and i also enjoy eating them. deer tastes like fidos ass in comparison. i also believe that there will end up being a lot of landowner encroachment by the aerial "hunters" and this will likely lead to some serious confrontations. i whole heartedly agree that the pig population needs to be controlled but i do hope people keep things in perspective before they wage war on an animal that is just trying to make a living and is damn good at it.

chuck