I had a PVA 6 creed last year I could not get to group at all, probably put 1000 rounds threw it. Tried 105 hybrid, 110 smk, 115 dtac, 103 Hornady's. Tried different brass and powder- would not group at all. Emailed Josh and told him my issue and he said to send it to him. After about a month I called to see what they found and they said they didn't know but they would cut me a new barrel. Got the new one installed and just started load development and it is 100% better. 105 hybrids .3 grain increments spread over a grain, 3 shot groups with the holes touching. I know PVA is having some problems but they did me right on this and I will be using them again.