Alternate powders for 6.5 Creedmoor

fireguyty

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Guys,
I know that H4350 is the preferred powder for the CM, but I always have to try a couple others. I'm not really interested in temperature sensitive powders like RL 17. Anyone have starting loads for Power Pro 2000mr, or Ramshot powders?

Thanks,
Ty
 
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Ive had some good groups from the XBR-8208. I am using this with 140gr Accubonds for deer this year. Im using a Savage 16FCSS and am getting 1 1/4" groups at 200yds. I know its not a tackdriver but its a stock hunting rifle.
 
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I guess H4350 is the only thing used.....I did find a load for Ramshot Hunter at around 40-45 for minimum and max.

I'd really like to try Power Pro 2000MR. Anyone?
 
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Fireguyty,

Of all the RE powders, RE-17 is the one that isn't very temp sensitive. However, everybody likes to push the pressure envelope with it, so they misunderstand how to keep it from being temp sensitive.

Otherwise, you could try VV N140, N150 and N160. They are temp sensitive, but less than uncoated single base powders. You should be staying in the 'Extreme' line. Use H4895 and H4831SC. Both of them are very temp tolerant. You just have to get the right bullet weights matched with them.

One other one I would try is IMR 4064 or AA4064. Both are a little faster than H4350. So if you are looking to shoot lighter bullets they will work. Otherwise I would recommend going to the H4831SC. IMR 4064 was one of the original 'coated' powders that helped make it more consistent from shot to shot.

All of the Ramshot double based powders are very temp sensitive. As much as 300 fps from summer to winter. I haven't tried any of the Pro series of powders by Alliant yet. Seems like when they got them all dialed in they come along with a change. One thing they do not proclaim in any way shape or form is temperature sensitivity. You will have to test that out for yourself.

There is a whole slew of answers out there. You have to single it down to what it is exactly you want to reload. And if you are getting optimal velocity/accuracy with H4350 then why change?
 
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Sandwarrior,
Thanks for the suggestions.

Why change? Well I am new to the caliber, and not set in my ways. I notice that there are trends out there. For example, everyone was using Varget for 155's in 308. IMR 8208 XBR came out and I gave it a try despite everyone saying "why change?". Well, I got amazingly better accuracy, the same velocity, and just as temp stable as Varget. A year later someone finally says "try 8208 for 155 its great".

Power Pro 2000MR comes out a year and a half ago, and people are just realizing that it is just as temp stable if not a bit better than Varget but yields 150 fps more in 175 SMK in 308.

I will be giving H4350 a try and I believe I will most likely use it. However, I'll try everything under the sun that is reported to be temp stable, and try it for myself.

Now I just got to figure out starting loads for 2000 MR.........no word from Alliant, yet.
 
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fireguyty,

From the trends in the powder business I would assume that the Pro series powders would be less temp sensitive. Maybe they wanted it on the market and weren't willing to wait or pay to have it hot/cold tested is why they don't say that. I'm thinking 8208 is about the same. Talk about a godsend. I was using AA2520 in my 6.5 Grendel, because it gets the best velocity. The rifle is accurate enough that the small changes made by powders and primer changes didn't affect it enough to switch powders. However it required working up loads for summer and winter. Because, even though summer loads might be a bit milder, you don't get enough pressure to 'cook off' all the powder fast enough (now plasma) before it hits the gas port. Meaning light loads with the bigger volume cases tend to have high pressures at the port even though they don't peak anywhere near what you could load to.
Enter IMR8208. So far this has done well from 90+ degrees in summer to just under freezing conditions. I'm hoping things work out so I can test it at sub-zero temps later on this winter. Long story short, I've been able to get 2800 fps from this with 123 gr. bullets, and NO pressure signs. It's the right speed and has enough retardant with it, so as not to go over pressure at the gas port with a lower load charge.

Anyhow, back to bolt actions and the 6.5 Creedmoor. I would think that in certain bullet weights RE-17 would be excellent. It burns a little slower than H4350 but because it's a double base you usually end up topped out at where H4350 begins. So, if pushing lighter bullets it's a viable alternative. And it is very temp tolerant from what I've found. If you're having issues with H4350, and need to stick with an Extreme powder, then try the H4831SC. Again, single base, but slow and will work well with the heaviest bullets in that caliber without running out of room or hitting the pressure ceiling.

-good luck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fireguyty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can i get the charge for 8208 in the Grendel?</div></div>

I'm using 29 grains behind a 123 gr. Sierra/Lapua/Hornady. in Lapua and Hornady Brass.

Edit:

Seated .030" off the lands. .020" back in the magazine.

Edit II:

I backed the load off to 28.6 for the 130 Norma GT's.
 
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Curious to know if anyone has any update to this thread. Looking to do some load development for my 6.5CM. I have 4831SC, IMR 4350 (does it burn the same as H4350?), Re 17, and 2000MR.

Can't seem to find H4350 right now.

Appreciate any input.
 
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I would not recommend pp 2000mr. It's burn rate is to slow. Tried shooting 155 scenars in .308 and it shot like shit. Switched to varget and found it.