ALWAYS WEAR EYEPRO or what happens when you shoot a 6.5 CM rd in your 260

[MarinePMI]

What only 30 days??? Idiots like that should be Permabanned to keep their stupidity from wasting our time!

I know. But sometimes they learn. And when they don’t...space suit fitting time happens and they get launched...permanently .

Some think trash talking, and blustery fascsdes work here. Some learn that it doesn’t and others are never heard from again. Well, except on ARF.com...but it’s ARF.com.

 

[m1match]

Wow, 17 posts and banned. Is that a Hide record?

Yes that might be a record!! Even Buddly got to 38 posts before he was gone!

 

[hunting_fishing_addict]

Impressive how this post was to bring forth possible safety faults in order to help people, has turned into this. Use this as a reminder of how we take things for granted until it is almost to late. Take my word for it on this one. Have a good day.

 

[TxWelder35]

Lord... I'm not getting sucked into a debate with some rando who spells rioters like rotors.

I'll take the easy route and move on with my life...

2013: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/12/17/best-rifle-caliber-what-the-pros-use/

2018: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2018/12/14/rifle-caliber/

2020: https://precisionrifleblog.com/2020/08/27/best-rifle-elr-caliber-cartridge/

Notice how many have abandoned the 260 Remington since 2013 (and went to numerous other cartridges... but 6.5 Creedmor still hangs on).

Shoot what you want, fella.

Would like to know what 6.5cm does better than 260 rem. Hint it’s nothing

 

[YukonRob]

Would like to know what 6.5cm does better than 260 rem. Hint it’s nothing

OOH OOH I have a guess!
What is it appeals to millennials?

 

[6.5SH]

Would like to know what 6.5cm does better than 260 rem. Hint it’s nothing

I'll bite. Show me factory loads past 140 grain projectiles.

Edit:
Am way older than a millennial.

 

[TxWelder35]

I'll bite. Show me factory loads past 140 grain projectiles.

Edit:
Am way older than a millennial.

You mean hornady 147s that blow up halfway to the target? Next...

 

[6.5SH]

You mean hornady 147s that blow up halfway to the target? Next...

Universally? You'll have to do better than that. How about which has more commercially available cartridges? Which one has more factory offerings for rifles?

 

[TxWelder35]

OOH OOH I have a guess!
What is it appeals to millennials?

Here’s the thing, 6.5cm does do a couple things better that I’ll give it credit for. Hornady marketing wipes the floor with Remington marketing. Hornady stood behind their product and promoted it. Now you can get any gun you want chambered in 6.5cm and find ammo at the local gas station for it . It also does a better job fitting heavier rounds at mag length. I have to run AISC mags without the binder plates to get the seating depth I want with my 260. Other than that I don’t see anything it does better.

 

[TxWelder35]

Universally? You'll have to do better than that. How about which has more commercially available cartridges? Which one has more factory offerings for rifles?

actually just said all that ^

but ballistically, for PRS, etc, 6.5cm has nothing on the 260, edit- which is what you were referring too talking about PRS comps.

The only reason you probably still see 6.5cm in PRS is because that’s what ever new shooter is told is gods gift to earth for their super dooper sniper rifle for head shots at 1k and every gun in the world is chambered in it. Not because it’s better than 260

 

[YukonRob]

Seriously though, you have to admit... the strongest attribute of the Creedmoor is marketing.
The 260 had mediocre success at its heyday due to crappy marketing, factory loads, twist rates etc.
Hornady has definitely not made that mistake. Available quality factory ammo, and lots of marketing are it’s strongest attribute.

And appealing to millennials and/or fans of Justin Bieber.

I'll bite. Show me factory loads past 140 grain projectiles.

Edit:
Am way older than a millennial.

edit: TxWelder35 you posted while my slow ass internet was still being slow, and said it better than I. Couldn’t agree more sir.

 

[6.5SH]

So short of a belt fed you think the shoulder and neck on a .260 is superior to the 6.6 Creedmoor? Don't get me wrong, the .260 is great and we are just kidding around. But you don't think there are limits to it that the 6.5 CM exceeds and allows way further growth into?

 

[YukonRob]

So short of a belt fed you think the shoulder and neck on a .260 is superior to the 6.6 Creedmoor? Don't get me wrong, the .260 is great and we are just kidding around. But you don't think there are limits to it that the 6.5 CM exceeds and allows way further growth into?

You lost me with the belt fed reference... but the rest I could conditionally agree with.
I have/had both, and my current flavor is a 260AI.
I subscribe to each his own, good thing we live in the land of the free. Pick your favorite and rock on!

 

[TxWelder35]

So short of a belt fed you think the shoulder and neck on a .260 is superior to the 6.6 Creedmoor? Don't get me wrong, the .260 is great and we are just kidding around. But you don't think there are limits to it that the 6.5 CM exceeds and allows way further growth into?

Point to me one ballistic advantage of the 6.5cm over the 260. It’s just not there. If anything you should be able to squeeze a little more juice out of the 260 due to slightly more case capacity.

you can still do 260 AI if you want the nicer shoulder angle and squeeze even more juice out of it. No AI for the CM

 

[TxWelder35]

You lost me with the belt fed reference... but the rest I could conditionally agree with.
I have/had both, and my current flavor is a 260AI.
I subscribe to each his own, good thing we live in the land of the free. Pick your favorite and rock on!

And this time you beat me to the AI lol

 

[6.5SH]

You lost me with the belt fed reference... but the rest I could conditionally agree with.
I have/had both, and my current flavor is a 260AI.
I subscribe to each his own, good thing we live in the land of the free. Pick your favorite and rock on!

The shoulder angle on the .260 is similar to .308 and .30-06 and is thought to be more reliable in a belt fed machine gun than the sharper shoulder angle on more modern accuracy oriented designs such as the 6.5 CM. This trait was seen as a prerequisite to military use.

 

[YukonRob]

And this time you beat me to the AI lol

I do feel compelled to point out one significant advantage I see in the creedmoor... it is (in my humble opinion) significantly better proportioned to run in SR25/AR10 magazines/platforms.
If I setup a large frame gas gun I will choose the creed.
Apparently JP Enterprizes agrees with me on that... they sell the hell out of those, and seem to have all but dropped the 260 chambering.

 

[6.5SH]

Point to me one ballistic advantage of the 6.5cm over the 260. It’s just not there. If anything you should be able to squeeze a little more juice out of the 260 due to slightly more case capacity.

you can still do 260 AI if you want the nicer shoulder angle and squeeze even more juice out of it. No AI for the CM

Heavier bullets and ability to load them to AR-10 lengths.

 

[TxWelder35]

Heavier bullets and ability to load them to AR-10 lengths.

That’s not how this started. You said 260 was dropped from PRS because 6.5cm was better. I acknowledged a couple posts up that 6.5cm does do certain things better such as that.

my statement still stands. In relation to what you were saying, in the context of 260 was dropped from the PRS world because 6.5cm was better, I have yet to see any proof that in that context that cm is in any way better.

 

[6.5SH]

I never said it was dropped from PRS. Looking at wrong poster?

 

[TxWelder35]

I never said it was dropped from PRS. Looking at wrong poster?

Yes...I’ll take my crow well done please

 

[6.5SH]

LOL, all good my man.

 

[EN2722]

The shoulder angle on the .260 is similar to .308 and .30-06 and is thought to be more reliable in a belt fed machine gun than the sharper shoulder angle on more modern accuracy oriented designs such as the 6.5 CM. This trait was seen as a prerequisite to military use.

Alright, a slight history lesson.

260 Remington is 100% based from the 308 Winchester cartridge as well as, the 243 Win. I shoot 260 and have 243 Win brass and LC LR 7.62x51 brass depending on my application of use. Where as the 30-06 is a “wildcat” cartridge based off the 30-03 case design.

6.5 Creedmoor is a based off the 30 T/C case design.

Now, 6.5 Creedmoor is absolutely more efficient due to the shoulder angle and OAL allowances due to magazine length compared to the 260. But where the 260 has an ever so slight advantage is hand loads.

I run a 130 Berger in LC LR brass at 2900 FPS with SDs of 5.1 and have no problems holding my own with the Creedmoor guys/gals

 

[6.5SH]

And that 130 is also your limit is it not?

 

[EN2722]

And that 130 is also your limit is it not?

It’s not...I also have 140 RDF’s sitting on the shelf.

I’m actually going to 123’s at over 3K

Edit: I picked the Berger’s because I don’t have to really worry about jump due to the bullet design so I’m running them at 2.800.

 

[TxWelder35]

And that 130 is also your limit is it not?

I run a 136 scenar at 2850 in mine. Can probably push to 2900 before I see pressure in my rifle.

can also run 140s no problem

these are also loaded longer than ar10 mag length I believe. 2.880 on my136 scenars

 

[6.5SH]

That is nothing to sneeze at

 

[TxWelder35]

Apparently larue/kac mags go to 2.871

can definitely fit a 260 in there.

berger makes a factor 140 that would fit in that

 

[6.5SH]

For whatever reason most of the .260 gas gun results I've seen were with 130's, Prime in particular.

 

[YukonRob]

I run 140 RDF’s in my 260, 2890fps with a decent pressure safety margin. I think this barrel is faster than average though.
I’m planning to chamber a 30” 260AI barrel for my DTA with a bunch of freebore to launch those new 153.5 hybrids, seating above the neck/shoulder junction... should tickle my fancy just right.

 

[6.5SH]

!!! At what length? That is screaming.

 

[spartan50]

Hello to all!
Read the complete thread to try and forensically figure out all that happened to the shooter and see how the problem was solved so it doesn't happen to anyone else at the range or on there reloading bench? The one thing that was in the back of my mind the whole time while reading the thread, "Was the ammo factory or done by a reloader?" If it was done by a reloader did they accidentally use the wrong type of primer??? I know I don't have all the wisdom on this subject but thought I would pose the question? Example: CCI Small pistol primers are the same dimensional size as small rifle primers just a but are thinner? The cup for the rifle primer is thicker naturally for greater pressures. If this guy reloads pistol and rifle? Is it possible that might of used wrong primers???
Thanks

 

[YukonRob]

!!! At what length? That is screaming.

Me?
My 140 RDF is at 2.875 OAL, 2.135” BTO in a .098” freebore.

 

[6.5SH]

Meant the barrel

 

[YukonRob]

It’s a

Meant the barrel

26” Lija

 

[mark stapleton]

Uh no... You can keep your mask and your eye pro

Dinosaur man

 

[mark stapleton]

This morning was a practice session for some of our local precision rifle shooters. We were running some of the stages from last weeks NRL Borderwars match. The shooter next to me had a blown primer on the last round of his stage and got a faceful of gas and particles when he was NOT wearing eye pro. While he went to his car to rinse his eyes out, myself and another shooter recovered his rifle and brass cases. He was shooting a Rem 700 action in 260 Rem. We pulled the bolt and could see the case with the blown primer was still in the chamber. We pulled the bolt and the other shooter got a cleaning rod and a light tap got the case out. The case was intact but the primer was blown out. Then we noticed that the blown case was a 6.5 Creedmoor case! What happened was someone had dropped a live 6.5 CM round on the ground which got picked up and put on the table behind the firing point. The shooter also had his ammo on the table and when he was loading his mag, he thought the loose round on the table was his and loaded it in his mag, hence firing a 6.5 CM round in a 260 Rem. chamber. The shooter gathered up his stuff and drove home and I hope that he doesn't have any eye injury.

This is a lesson in why shooters should ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION. It was a hot day and we have to wear masks at all times at this shooting range so a number of shooters were shooting without eye pro because they were getting fogging issues. Regardless of fogging issues I'd rather deal with fogging than an eye injury.

EDITED TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO A BLOWN EXTRACTOR- I've communicated with the shooter and the gun DID NOT have a blown extractor. I assumed it was trashed since we had to tap the case out with a cleaning rod- but the shooter said that he checked his rifle after attending to his eye injury and the the gun extracts normally now. So all it did was blow a primer which ejected gas into the shooters face.

I get that it was a dropped round but for many years all my ammo from purchase or reloading goes into colour coded cartridge boxes , Blue for 223 , Green for 308 , Red for 303 , yellow for 357 etc , it,s a great way to help avoid picking up the wrong ammo on the way to the range or hunting

 

[mark stapleton]

I get that it was a dropped round but for many years all my ammo from purchase or reloading goes into colour coded cartridge boxes , Blue for 223 , Green for 308 , Red for 303 , yellow for 357 etc , it,s a great way to help avoid picking up the wrong ammo on the way to the range or hunting

 

[deersniper]

You can buy factory match grade 6.5 for $0.60-$0.80.

Also

 

[tsu45]

What is the downside of wearing eyepro? Do some feel it is degrading their view through the scope? I've never really noticed any difference with clears on. I have found it much more difficult to resolve dark targets in shade with a pair of polarized Costas. That is a sample size of one pair of sunglasses for me, but surprised to hear others do fine with polarized. Maybe it is a tint thing?

 

[never_summer]

I’ve started to get in the bad habit of shooting without glasses. In my limited experience I’ve found it easier to see trace without them, but when I’ve shot with glasses it’s been polarized oakleys. I’m always spotting without glasses due to eye relief

 

[Lawrence60]

This morning was a practice session for some of our local precision rifle shooters. We were running some of the stages from last weeks NRL Borderwars match. The shooter next to me had a blown primer on the last round of his stage and got a faceful of gas and particles when he was NOT wearing eye pro. While he went to his car to rinse his eyes out, myself and another shooter recovered his rifle and brass cases. He was shooting a Rem 700 action in 260 Rem. We pulled the bolt and could see the case with the blown primer was still in the chamber. We pulled the bolt and the other shooter got a cleaning rod and a light tap got the case out. The case was intact but the primer was blown out. Then we noticed that the blown case was a 6.5 Creedmoor case! What happened was someone had dropped a live 6.5 CM round on the ground which got picked up and put on the table behind the firing point. The shooter also had his ammo on the table and when he was loading his mag, he thought the loose round on the table was his and loaded it in his mag, hence firing a 6.5 CM round in a 260 Rem. chamber. The shooter gathered up his stuff and drove home and I hope that he doesn't have any eye injury.

This is a lesson in why shooters should ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION. It was a hot day and we have to wear masks at all times at this shooting range so a number of shooters were shooting without eye pro because they were getting fogging issues. Regardless of fogging issues I'd rather deal with fogging than an eye injury.

EDITED TO REMOVE REFERENCE TO A BLOWN EXTRACTOR- I've communicated with the shooter and the gun DID NOT have a blown extractor. I assumed it was trashed since we had to tap the case out with a cleaning rod- but the shooter said that he checked his rifle after attending to his eye injury and the the gun extracts normally now. So all it did was blow a primer which ejected gas into the shooters face.

Lucky Lucky man he could so easily be blind it is also a salutary lesson to always be sure of what you are loading keep all your ammunition in mags or boxes

 

[mtbmaine]

Thanks for posting this story, a good lesson on PPE.

 

[Luky]

Didnt see it specified, but was this up at the range north of San Diego by a certain large indian casino just off the 76? Did not know they were open again but have not looked in a few months...

 

[MarinePMI]

Yes, it was.

 

[Lawrence60]

Eye Pro and ear pro always a good idea in my opinion. When I go out shooting with my son, I have him recite the firearm safety rules on the way and when we arrive at the range. He has to wear eye pro and ear pro even when shooting suppressed.
Finding eye pro for kids was challenging. When he was younger I used the safety goggles that Lowes has on their build and grow line. As he got older, I got him a pair of Julbo polarized sunglasses. This one wraps around the facial area pretty good at 8y/o.
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At more than half the Oakley prices I think its worth it. He shoots 308 and 6.5 with me.
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At my club we aren't even allowed on the firing line without eyes and ears safety first every time

 

[redneckbmxer24]

People who preach to others not wearing eye pro shooting bolt guns are the same ones that preach when someone rests the muzzle on top of their foot like you can possibly shoot yourself in the foot with a ECI in the chamber. I've been bitched at for both by the same people yet watched them walk in front of the rifles in staging areas all damn day and essentially sweep themselves with 10-20+ rifles even while people were dicking with them. NOBODY is 100% "safe", as long as you aren't stupid it's not a problem though.

I wear eye pro when shooting pistols and carbines because the likelihood of catching shit to the face is much higher. I don't load my mags where other people are loading them, my ammo comes out of my pack and into my mag and the mags go in my pocket or back in my pack. If a round is dropped or ejected from the chamber it goes in the same baggy as my brass and is dealt with later. I've had a precision AR blow up in my face (was not wearing glasses) due to the barrel maker putting way too much chamfer on the back of the chamber and not having enough case support, I took a lot of pressure to the eye and it was fucked up for a couple weeks but no permanent damage. Seeing how blowback is with a suppressed AR when wearing glasses and you still get that pressure to the eye I don't think they would have made any difference in the outcome, but I do wear eye pro whenever shooting an AR now just because of how much gas comes back that way when there's an issue.

I've priced primers with no eye pro and didn't even know it until the rifle was dead from the piece of primer in the firing pin hole. IMO not a big deal at least in the rifles I shoot. The way I see it I'm far more likely to get glass in my eyes from a car crash than have an issue firing a bolt gun. Wearing eye pro when shooting a precision rifle is just a giant PITA trying to keep them clean from sweat and dirt, then dealing with glare and crap. No, not for me, but if someone does stupid stuff regularly then it's probably a good idea to wear them. If someone wants to think I'm an idiot for not doing so then that's absolutely their right, just keep it to themselves and I'll keep it to myself about how much of a goober they look like with their yellow space invader oakleys.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Found these at the range there were more, looks like 300WM fired in 300 Weatherby rifle.

 

[Cclary60]

A face mask at an outdoor range? Time to find a new range. Fuck that...

He must live in a Communist controlled state, because that's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Mk32784]

He must live in a Communist controlled state, because that's absolutely ridiculous.

Range is on Indian reservation land in CA, they have this policy. We do our best to abide so we don't get kicked out like some other groups. Sadly not a lot of choices for 900 yard ranges...