America after Trump

[Teach Me Sensei]

Employment cant be blamed on the sitting president. It has to do with the worlds current state

Was it always Democrats at the helm no but they have a rather shitty track record.
Don't overlook Congress they can have as much affect good or bad as the president, no matter what party.
So my point is, if you grew up in a particular economy and accepted it as the new Normal, Obama's words no it probably wouldn't have any impact.

It is simply not true

In your lifetime Clinton had the highest employment rate and best economy. Obama had to deal with the big dive Bush left him and didn't do a very good job and now Trump has to deal with the latter.

Reagan hit the all-time low and he was a republican.

Does that mean that the Republicans are to blame? No. It all comes down to the world economy, wars, inflation, who gets the period during which eras.....

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[Teach Me Sensei]

Also, bankloans, intrest-rates, inflation, deflation, bubbles and so on has nothing to do with the president, but all to do with the top 1% rich people, the companies and banks.

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The Forbes 400 List 2024 - The Richest People in America Ranked

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And Trump is on Forbes list at #278. Obama and the Clintons are not on it.

 

[forrestgump01]

Obama had to deal with the big dive Bush left him and didn't do a very good job .

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I have no love for Bush ....... but a big dive that Bush left him,?? your confused . Bush didn't cause the housing market bubble to burst , that was thanks to leftist policies from Fannie Mae , and Freddie Mac that gave loans to broke ass people with no dam money .
And you must have got your graph/ employment statistics straight off of AOC's website
Do you really want me to believe there is a 39 percent unemployment rate ??????. Sorry I'm not a millineal and don't do common core math. I was taught if you minus 61.20 percent from 100 that leaves 38.80 percent , please tell me what Im missing here.

You stated that a person's life doesn't change depending on the president , well here is a fact.
I drive a truck for a living. For 8 years under Obama you couldnt pull into a truckstop or stop for fuel without somebody beating on your door begging for money . 3 years of trump , i can count on 1 hand how many people have asked me for money.

 

[atomic41]

I believe Nikki Haley could be good

Yes or Dan Crenshaw

 

[Dunraven]

I would prefer a random choice off the street rather than another life-long politician.

 

[Dunraven]

I have no love for Bush ....... but a big dive that Bush left him,?? your confused . Bush didn't cause the housing market bubble to burst , that was thanks to leftist policies from Fannie Mae , and Freddie Mac that gave loans to broke ass people with no dam money .
And you must have got your graph/ employment statistics straight off of AOC's website
Do you really want me to believe there is a 39 percent unemployment rate ??????. Sorry I'm not a millineal and don't do common core math. I was taught if you minus 61.20 percent from 100 that leaves 38.80 percent , please tell me what Im missing here.

You stated that a person's life doesn't change depending on the president , well here is a fact.
I drive a truck for a living. For 8 years under Obama you couldnt pull into a truckstop or stop for fuel without somebody beating on your door begging for money . 3 years of trump , i can count on 1 hand how many people have asked me for money.

maybe we should make that another economic indicator!

 

[NY700]

Was a down hill slide all the way till Trump. A constant barrage of liberties and rights infringed upon for starters. So yes, it has an effect.

not sure I can agree with this statement. Trump has done more to out our 2A rights at risk than Obama did.

 

[Dunraven]

I still like Ted Cruz.

The Trump Juniors need to go back to hotels, casinos, fashion accessories, condos, golf clubs and maybe NRA Chairman... etc. I never want to hear from them in politics after Feb 1 2025...

Back to Ted... he was not ready in 2016. But he will be in 2024. And I'd get behind him.

Rand Paul is nuts. Nuttier than squirrel-poo. His dad was worse!

There are some other rising stars in the Conservative world, too. Many of them women. I'll make a prediction here... the first Woman President will be a Republican. And she will make Margaret Thatcher look like a socialist.

Sirhr

When Bernie said that a woman couldn't get elected President, my first thought was that it couldn't be a liberal female; their anger scares me.

 

[NY700]

You can add a few more to that list,
And everyone on it affected life as we knew it good or bad, did we adapt yes, survive the bad yes.
Try home loan rates around 18+%
Same with business loans.
Jobs get scarce when that happens.
And a pleathera of other things too numerous to mention.
Was it always Democrats at the helm no but they have a rather shitty track record.
Don't overlook Congress they can have as much affect good or bad as the president, no matter what party.
So my point is, if you grew up in a particular economy and accepted it as the new Normal, Obama's words no it probably wouldn't have any impact.
Look at Carter's go at it (dumpster fire)
Obama's was a nuclear dumpster fire.
Two of my favorites.

Your view on economic history isn’t correct

yes loans were expensive By today’s standards. They are supposed to be to a certain degree. We have essentially had free money for the better part of 10 years now. There has been steady job growth over the last 6 years yes but wages are flat.

free money but also no interest. I remember a time when my saving account earned 5% with my credit union and my checking earned 1.5% and CDs were worth wile and home values went up significantly in most markets. The 80s were all about inflation and that was with 12-15% home loans not 3.5-4.5%

 

[sirhrmechanic]

When Bernie said that a woman couldn't get elected President, my first thought was that it couldn't be a liberal female; their anger scares me.

Not an angry, shrill, bitchy, PMSing, lecturing, corrupt, lying, identifies-as-sitting-bull, dykish, trust fund, “blew-My-way-into-office” NAACP-wanna-be-who-never-was conniving Communist Merkal-clone, twat-waffle anyway.

Oh look at that... I just went and described liberal women!

Sirhr

 

[oneshot86]

Superb usage of adjetives

 

[Lesch]

What everyone fails to remember, 4 years of carter was as bad as 8 years of both obama and clinton combined. Reagan was handed a broken economy and began the turn around. Bush kept it going. Then clinton drove it back into the ditch. Bush W had to rebuild again, only to hand it to the worst so called president ever. We dodged a huge bullet when we were blessed with President Trump. Just think where we would be if hitlery got in. That would have been the final nail in the coffin. President Trump has exposed the slimy filth of the left......and they have done a good job of doing so as well.

 

[whiskeytower]

Good lord Gov Abott? Really?, that idiot spends his time running around the world making "connections for Texas". Signing cuck feel good bills instead of what he ran on. Im still waiting on property tax relief from that mother fucker. Not to mention his great idea of "border surge" that just handed out more traffic tickets to folks in the poorest counties in the state. All the while actually growing a pair of balls and doing something about the wetbacks completely eludes him. He is a shithead tied to the bushes, mexico dollars and big business that want wetback labor in Texas and everywhere for that matter.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

not sure I can agree with this statement. Trump has done more to out our 2A rights at risk than Obama did.

Such as....? Also, there's more rights to infringe upon than just 2A rights.

 

[Waco Kid]

I'd settle for Don Jr., although I'm not for political dynasties, but my favorite would be Mark Robinson. He could also be the first real African-AMERICAN President.

How do we help fund this guy? I'll support the hell out of somebody with common sense and passion, down to earth, blue collar everyman!

 

[gunman_7]

Such as....? Also, there's more rights to infringe upon than just 2A rights.

With the total shit storm that was being dumped on him daily from both sides of the isle and relentless media attacks, just be happy he didn't succumb to more of it.

I'm pretty impressed he kept them all at Bay with only the bump stock ban. He seems to have gotten his head on straight and now repeatedly voiced support openly. How long has it been that a president did that during a state of the union speach?

Now I'd like to see some forward movement in his next term. He's recognized the 2A crowd and our strength otherwise he'd have never brought it up. With the right pressure from the gun community I'd bet we could get something done when the Dems loose the house in November.

So many up and coming politicians are seeing what's working for Trump and emulating it. With the influence he now has over members of the Senate and if he goes into his final term with a "fuck 'em" attitude, you never know what could get accomplished. Especially now the economy is doing this well.

 

[Teach Me Sensei]

but a big dive that Bush left him,?? your confused . Bush didn't cause the housing market bubble to burst

My point excactly

And Obama didn't cause people to lose their jobs.
And Trump didn't make America great again.

It's all just how the worlds revolves... there will be another economic crash at some point, and it won't be the presidents fault. There will be highs and lows and it will come in waves.

US will be just fine after Trumps presidency.

 

[Zeroit]

Your view on economic history isn’t correct

yes loans were expensive By today’s standards. They are supposed to be to a certain degree. We have essentially had free money for the better part of 10 years now. There has been steady job growth over the last 6 years yes but wages are flat.

free money but also no interest. I remember a time when my saving account earned 5% with my credit union and my checking earned 1.5% and CDs were worth wile and home values went up significantly in most markets. The 80s were all about inflation and that was with 12-15% home loans not 3.5-4.5%

I think my experience in business running successful multi-million dollar operations from Jimmy Carter on gives me a pretty clear idea as how a president can have a effect on the economy.
Around 1980 one of my locations was in Pa. Near three mile island, Bethlehem steel had a big layoff because of subsidized steel imports.
Ask those people if a president had effect?
Why did Obama ask Trump if he had a magic wand?
Trump didn't create jobs, he Just gave the people who do the tools necessary.
Trump hasn't done anything any other president could have, but he balls to do it.
He set the bar so high it will be difficult for anyone replicate.
As far as flat wages go, wrong.
Good economic times automatic increases wages (without government intervention) , as businesses have to compete for employees
Same applies to taxes.
I'm not sure about the free money explanation? Apparently I didn't grasp the concept.

Just a small example of some of my
Personal/professional observations.
I could be wrong?

 

[SonicBurlap]

Employment cant be blamed on the sitting president. It has to do with the worlds current state



It is simply not true

In your lifetime Clinton had the highest employment rate and best economy. Obama had to deal with the big dive Bush left him and didn't do a very good job and now Trump has to deal with the latter.

Reagan hit the all-time low and he was a republican.

Does that mean that the Republicans are to blame? No. It all comes down to the world economy, wars, inflation, who gets the period during which eras.....

United States Employment Rate

Employment Rate in the United States increased to 60.50 percent in November from 60.20 percent in October of 2023. This page provides - United States Employment Rate- actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news.

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Nope, the corporate tax breaks, NAFTA 2.0, the Chinese given a pause in applying discriminating taxes on American imports, companies being raided by ICE for employing illegal aliens, the military getting new contracts to make up for the gap that the Big Zero had created to China, the oil industry getting new leases and fracking being not nearly as molested by the EPA as before, ... none of that has any impact on employment!
Duh, if not that then what? If you happen to have a global look around, the rest of the world is sucking high wind right now in regards to economy, the Chinese so bad they conceded to a new trade deal. As for inflation being on its own schedule, you don't think that Obama and his Fed's quantitative easing might have had just a tad bit to do with it? Old lesson back from the Weimar Republic, or more recently Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) borrow excessively, print money to print your way out of debt, lessen the value of currency, rinse and repeat, result economy in the crapper.
Slight twist, if you only keep some local HQ in the U.S., your financials in the Caymans or some other tax haven, and your manufacturing in China, you produce dirt cheap with slave labor and avoid paying taxes and high U.S. labor cost, the economy recovers wall street wise with profits but not mainstreet wise with jobs and income, instead of putting more money in country it extracts more money to be invested overseas again. as one of my favorite comedians used to say about mixing metaphors "this isn't rocket surgery!"
Also the Big Zero creating a whole new governmental hybrid form of croney capitalism where his buddies got to cash in by founding new upstart green companies, getting subventions, and then declaring bankruptcy and making off with the money, as well as the government picking winners and losers as in running GM and closing dealerships based on who they voted for didn't exactly help.
And by the way, Reagan hit the all time low because of the train wreck Peanut Jimmy left, from Defense, to taxes, to homelessness, to employment, I remember married with children junior service members stationed in Germany getting food donations from the locals under Jimmy the Nut, that's how bad he was. It took a while to get out of it and get going but that he got going was what the left hated the most about Ronnie, and he didn't care if he had their approval.

 

[SonicBurlap]

How do we help fund this guy? I'll support the hell out of somebody with common sense and passion, down to earth, blue collar everyman!

Right now he is running for LT. Governor in NC under the title "Mark Robinson for North Carolina" I bet you can find him on the net, don't know if he is interested in going national though. He'd have my vote, just not this year cause I'm in occupied Colorado not NC.

 

[forrestgump01]

US will be just fine after Trumps presidency.

Are you saying that if Bernie, or " Lie- awatha" Warren were to be elected that everything thing would be just fine .
If you really believe that I feel sorry for you .

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Not an angry, shrill, bitchy, PMSing, lecturing, corrupt, lying, identifies-as-sitting-bull, dykish, trust fund, “blew-My-way-into-office” NAACP-wanna-be-who-never-was conniving Communist Merkal-clone, twat-waffle anyway.

Oh look at that... I just went and described liberal women!

Sirhr

Wow! You unpacked your adjectives!

 

[Dunraven]

Not an angry, shrill, bitchy, PMSing, lecturing, corrupt, lying, identifies-as-sitting-bull, dykish, trust fund, “blew-My-way-into-office” NAACP-wanna-be-who-never-was conniving Communist Merkal-clone, twat-waffle anyway.

Oh look at that... I just went and described liberal women!

Sirhr

hell of a job

 

[Dunraven]

Nope, the corporate tax breaks, NAFTA 2.0, the Chinese given a pause in applying discriminating taxes on American imports, companies being raided by ICE for employing illegal aliens, the military getting new contracts to make up for the gap that the Big Zero had created to China, the oil industry getting new leases and fracking being not nearly as molested by the EPA as before, ... none of that has any impact on employment!
Duh, if not that then what? If you happen to have a global look around, the rest of the world is sucking high wind right now in regards to economy, the Chinese so bad they conceded to a new trade deal. As for inflation being on its own schedule, you don't think that Obama and his Fed's quantitative easing might have had just a tad bit to do with it? Old lesson back from the Weimar Republic, or more recently Zimbabwe (formerly Rhodesia) borrow excessively, print money to print your way out of debt, lessen the value of currency, rinse and repeat, result economy in the crapper.
Slight twist, if you only keep some local HQ in the U.S., your financials in the Caymans or some other tax haven, and your manufacturing in China, you produce dirt cheap with slave labor and avoid paying taxes and high U.S. labor cost, the economy recovers wall street wise with profits but not mainstreet wise with jobs and income, instead of putting more money in country it extracts more money to be invested overseas again. as one of my favorite comedians used to say about mixing metaphors "this isn't rocket surgery!"
Also the Big Zero creating a whole new governmental hybrid form of croney capitalism where his buddies got to cash in by founding new upstart green companies, getting subventions, and then declaring bankruptcy and making off with the money, as well as the government picking winners and losers as in running GM and closing dealerships based on who they voted for didn't exactly help.
And by the way, Reagan hit the all time low because of the train wreck Peanut Jimmy left, from Defense, to taxes, to homelessness, to employment, I remember married with children junior service members stationed in Germany getting food donations from the locals under Jimmy the Nut, that's how bad he was. It took a while to get out of it and get going but that he got going was what the left hated the most about Ronnie, and he didn't care if he had their approval.

I's say you got your history just about right. Anyone remember the 'misery index' to describe Carter's inflation rate plus interest rate?

 

[SonicBurlap]

I's say you got your history just about right. Anyone remember the 'misery index' to describe Carter's inflation rate plus interest rate?

Ah, yes Okun's "Misery Index." I remember Carter popularized the misery index in 1976 to weaponize it against Ford. It was 12.7 % during the campaign in 1976, once elected Carter steadily drove it to somewhere around 22-23 % in 1980. Ronnie couldn't get a better campaign present and he did his best to reduce that level as fast as he could once he exorcised the Oval Office.

 

[NY700]

Are you saying that if Bernie, or " Lie- awatha" Warren were to be elected that everything thing would be just fine .
If you really believe that I feel sorry for you .

well half the country thinks it will implode due to trump. Prior to that about half thought it was going to implodedue to obama. Before that half thought it was going to implode because of bush.

history tells me the US government as we know it will not go on forever. Many past dynasty’s have established that.

what we have to become tired of is looking at a 51/49 split as a victory.

fact is 80% of America generally agrees on about 80% of the topics.

too many topics are made out to sound like the sky is falling because it sells

if your political groups biggest stance is refusing to work with the other guy they are wrong and have fundamentally failed at their job.

the day the government first “shut down” there should have been recall votes in 50 states. Above all else there only f’n job is to keep the country running.

there was a time when compromise was a victory.

now we view a stalemate as a victory

we plan for next fiscal quarter and I use the word plan liberally. China plans in detail for the next 50years

They invest their money into power plays for the future. We spent the last 20 years blowing up big rocks in Afghanistan into little rocks

No it won’t end if Bernie or Warren get elected. Once again America in fear of any change just as they did a year will vote congress the opposite of the president to desperately hold onto the status quo

 

[Kir]

What this country needs is a BENEVOLENT dictator...ME! First of all, I support the Constitution, in particular, the 2nd Amendment!
Everyone on this site supports THAT!
If anyone on this site is a millionaire, then they would NOT support me in charging higher taxes for the 1% and I could live with that. However, if you are NOT a millionaire you should support higher taxes for the 1%. NOT to spend on free college tuition, but for free health care for all. If you are healthy, good for you, keep it up. However, we ALL get old and eventually we ALL wILL need that health care and not worry about having to sell the home you worked hard for all your life in order to pay for your medical bills. Some people may call that socialism...<gasp>, but at sometime in one's life we all need a little help. Most conservatives are religious too, so, remember, JESUS was a socialist. Personally, I only believe in GOD and that's it!, anything else was made up by man. Why do I believe in GOD? I believe he gave us the spark of life and after that...whatever happened was pure nature...we choose our own destiny. No amount of prayers helps you. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.
Automobile companies do not get sued for manufacturing cars and trucks that have accidents and injure/kill people. So why should gun manufacturers get sued for their firearms in the commission of a crime? According to the FBI statistics, hammers and knives kill more people than firearms do. Why don't the people who want to ban firearms, want to ban hammers and knives? Because it is not a matter of banning of firearms it is a matter of wanting control over more people.
I usually put this at the end of my posts, but I will say it now...
POLITICS: The ability to control men's minds and therefore their actions = SLAVES
So I say to you all...RESIST!

 

[Zeroit]

What this country needs is a BENEVOLENT dictator...ME! First of all, I support the Constitution, in particular, the 2nd Amendment!
Everyone on this site supports THAT!
If anyone on this site is a millionaire, then they would NOT support me in charging higher taxes for the 1% and I could live with that. However, if you are NOT a millionaire you should support higher taxes for the 1%. NOT to spend on free college tuition, but for free health care for all. If you are healthy, good for you, keep it up. However, we ALL get old and eventually we ALL wILL need that health care and not worry about having to sell the home you worked hard for all your life in order to pay for your medical bills. Some people may call that socialism...<gasp>, but at sometime in one's life we all need a little help. Most conservatives are religious too, so, remember, JESUS was a socialist. Personally, I only believe in GOD and that's it!, anything else was made up by man. Why do I believe in GOD? I believe he gave us the spark of life and after that...whatever happened was pure nature...we choose our own destiny. No amount of prayers helps you. Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.
Automobile companies do not get sued for manufacturing cars and trucks that have accidents and injure/kill people. So why should gun manufacturers get sued for their firearms in the commission of a crime? According to the FBI statistics, hammers and knives kill more people than firearms do. Why don't the people who want to ban firearms, want to ban hammers and knives? Because it is not a matter of banning of firearms it is a matter of wanting control over more people.
I usually put this at the end of my posts, but I will say it now...
POLITICS: The ability to control men's minds and therefore their actions = SLAVES
So I say to you all...RESIST!

Why would you tax a millionaire at a higher rate than any other?
Newsflash: this Just in, mathematicaly
If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

Just a plain old flat tax rate might be
a little bit more rational and more inline with the constitution.

Just so you know I'm not a millionaire.
Yes, I have been around a shit ton of them, some are real, some are nuttier than a two peckered billy goat like the rest of the population.

Not only that you can take all their money and still wouldn't fix health care.

No offense intended, just food for thought.

 

[Kwkidd2000]

How much did your life change during Clinton? And Bush? And Obama? And Trump?

It didn't really, did it?

It's all the same one way or the other.

I would say health insurance more than doubling in cost plus losing $120K revenue over 8 years and no vacation would be "Life Changing"...

 

[Kir]

Zeroit: If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

 

[SonicBurlap]

Anytime the government takes more from one than from another it just means they decide they have the right to take what isn't theirs. If we want freedom as guaranteed by our Constitution then it needs to be ensured those who govern clearly understand where the limits of their authority are, otherwise a Republic can become Venezuela in a few short months.
The violation of one right always leads to another, we have the best form of government in the world ,communists have hated us for it for a long time and they have always tried to stoke the fires of envy fueled by their lie that to be able to get rich you have to steal from others, that there is a finite amount of wealth, and that to help others you have to take it from those who worked hard for it. Capitalism teaches us that if you work hard and have an idea you can create new markets and with it you can create new wealth. I'd rather bake many new pies than steal someone's slice of only one pie. But then again what do I know, I'm just an old soldier who has seen the murderous commie bastards cause poverty and misery in many countries around the globe in my lifetime. I want better for our kids and grand kids.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

Ah yes, it's an experiment as old as time.
Monkey group A, and Monkey group B, take regular beatings, and bananas are withheld.
Then one day, group A gets a reprieve, and group B takes a double dose. Group A actually cheer on the taskmasters in the beatings, now all they know is the beatings have stopped for them, and they still get their daily bananas. The group A monkeys have forgotten all about being denied the bananas.
Stupid monkeys.
One day soon group B will be dead from beatings and no bananas.......

 

[Reverie Ranges]

I could vote for Mark Meadows with Matt Gates VP. Jim Jordan for Sec State. Pelosi as House Jester...

 

[Zeroit]

Zeroit: If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

Okay let's assume you work for our imaginary millionaire businessman,
Bear in mind he has already paid corporate taxes, inventory taxes, property taxes and more too numerous to mention then anything left to put in his personal bank account he pays taxes on profits that's already been taxed to death.
So along comes heavy inflation and his bottom line is suffering, the first thing most businesses do is cut payroll. So you either have hours cut, or layed off. That's not going to help your situation, my point is inflation does affect everyone.
It's human nature to assume that someone that has more should?
I think it's called envy.

 

[pmclaine]

Zeroit: If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

Who are you to decide what anyone can afford to pay?

Im no millionaire, well actually I guess I am if I added up all my non liquid assets, that term does not mean what it did when I was a kid.

The fact of that change is not due to people making greater money....Its due to our own government making a joke of our money. Inflation most benefits a 23T in debt US Govt. Currency manipulation isn't just a China thing. Its quantitatively easy to understand this - Econ 101 shit. Thing is though the raising of rates will kill the razors edge balance we currently exist in. Govt cant afford for rates to rise so We the People have had safe investments and savings interest taken away in order to become gamblers in the stock market.

The govt is the problem so how does giving them evern more money remotely begin to fix the problem.

Ever notice last election Bernie railed against the Millionaires and in this one he rails against the Billionaires. Since becoming a Millionaire he has had to adjust his Kentucky Windage - Precious huh?

Thing is they wont simplify the tax code to a one paragraph document so the top will still evade taxes, the bottom will be exempt in exchange for servitude and votes while the middle as usual will shoulder the burden.


Don't fall for the FSA bullshit.

The wealthy are paying plenty of taxes and getting the same shitty services. Get the bottom to take on some skin in the game and get the govt under control.

Trump is actually failing on this front unless he actually is playing 4D chess and I just haven't caught it yet. Granted he does have a lot of historical damage to undue.

Perhaps he needs to get the strong economy running on a domestic footing in order that it can survive the shock to come.

 

[Dunraven]

I think my experience in business running successful multi-million dollar operations from Jimmy Carter on gives me a pretty clear idea as how a president can have a effect on the economy.
Around 1980 one of my locations was in Pa. Near three mile island, Bethlehem steel had a big layoff because of subsidized steel imports.
Ask those people if a president had effect?
Why did Obama ask Trump if he had a magic wand?
Trump didn't create jobs, he Just gave the people who do the tools necessary.
Trump hasn't done anything any other president could have, but he balls to do it.
He set the bar so high it will be difficult for anyone replicate.
As far as flat wages go, wrong.
Good economic times automatic increases wages (without government intervention) , as businesses have to compete for employees
Same applies to taxes.
I'm not sure about the free money explanation? Apparently I didn't grasp the concept.

Just a small example of some of my
Personal/professional observations.
I could be wrong?

Zeroit: If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

we should be striving for equal opportunity, not equal/'fair' outcome. have you heard the phrase: 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need'? You should. It's from Marx. Hasn't worked anywhere yet, but your benevolent dictatorship may be different.

 

[THEIS]

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

Hi,

That is not how any of this works at all.
WTF does "make things a little more even" mean???
Are you willing to pay your "share" of xyz companies electrical bill, accreditation/certificates, etc?
Are you willing to pay your "share" of xyz companies product liability insurance, general liability insurance, etc etc?

Are you seriously wanting to penalize aka "make even" with they guy that writes your check because he is able to write it and you think he has too much??

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Dunraven]

Hi,

That is not how any of this works at all.
WTF does "make things a little more even" mean???
Are you willing to pay your "share" of xyz companies electrical bill, accreditation/certificates, etc?
Are you willing to pay your "share of xyz companies product liability insurance, general liability insurance, etc etc?

Are you seriously wanting to penalize aka "get even" with they guy that writes your check because he is able to write it and you think he has to much??

Sincerely,
Theis

right on, brother. thank you.

 

[SonicBurlap]

Zeroit: If they pay the exact same rate as you do they automatically pay more already, so all you would be accomplishing by sticking it to them is taking their money and letting the government put it to "better use" ?.

They can afford to pay the increase in prices when inflation goes up. I cannot. Hopefully, it will make things a little more even!

Also, just one more question what happens when the majority ends up earning less than you because most of those "rich guys" have to shutter their businesses and now you seem to be the top earner, struggling as you are, and now whoever got to arbitrarily decide that "they can afford it" now decides you "can afford it," after all you seem to have enough disposable property to own a gun, otherwise why would you be on this forum? So obviously now it's your turn to cough it up. See how that works? Anytime you give someone the ability to arbitrarily write laws, pick winners and losers, leaving basic equality and justice behind and hide that truth behind the phrase "social justice" someone will be the loser and somehow it just never happens to be anyone in their party, or their family and friends. We had that system running the world once exclusively, those at the top got so removed from those who supported them that in the end it did not matter anymore if they "could afford it" because they had no recourse, it was called the feudal system and anyone without a title was a serf for life.

 

[pmclaine]

Hi,

That is not how any of this works at all.
WTF does "make things a little more even" mean???
Are you willing to pay your "share" of xyz companies electrical bill, accreditation/certificates, etc?
Are you willing to pay your "share" of xyz companies product liability insurance, general liability insurance, etc etc?

Are you seriously wanting to penalize aka "make even" with they guy that writes your check because he is able to write it and you think he has too much??

Sincerely,
Theis

Must have got his understanding from Liz Warren - You didn't build this on your own - govt gave us the roads yada, yada, yada.

Govt gives nothing.....it takes.

 

[Zeroit]

I was trying to keep it as simple as possible.

If anyone has never seen a real p&l
(Profit and loss) they should.
Let alone be responsible for one monthly.

 

[Rthur]

Oldie but a goodie:
How many jobs have you gotten from poor guys?

R

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Never be another like trump?

I strongly disagree.

It's just as when the Wright brothers proved that human flight was possible; and it opened the floodgate to the advancements that gave us the astounding possibilities of the world we live in today.

It's one thing to speculate, and quite another to demonstrate. Trump has demonstrated. Now it's up to others to follow in his footsteps.

Nothing terrifies evil more than the success of the good.

So what's keeping this from happening?

We are, when we insist that such lightning cannot strike ever again.

Be that lightning. Help your kids be that lighting.

Greg

PS Statistics can be tortured until they say anything that anybody wants them to say.

 

[Srgt. Hulka]

I have no love for Bush ....... but a big dive that Bush left him,?? your confused . Bush didn't cause the housing market bubble to burst , that was thanks to leftist policies from Fannie Mae , and Freddie Mac that gave loans to broke ass people with no dam money .
And you must have got your graph/ employment statistics straight off of AOC's website
Do you really want me to believe there is a 39 percent unemployment rate ??????. Sorry I'm not a millineal and don't do common core math. I was taught if you minus 61.20 percent from 100 that leaves 38.80 percent , please tell me what Im missing here.

You stated that a person's life doesn't change depending on the president , well here is a fact.
I drive a truck for a living. For 8 years under Obama you couldnt pull into a truckstop or stop for fuel without somebody beating on your door begging for money . 3 years of trump , i can count on 1 hand how many people have asked me for money.

Don't forget the 21% interest rate that peanut brain left for Reagan to clean up.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Why do you think the communists have spent 4 years attacking him? If you think that it's because they hate Trump you are partially correct.
The truth is that they are sending a shot across the bow of anyone entertaining the thoughts of following in his footsteps.
They will ruin your family, your friends and anyone remotely connected to you!!!
Don't fuck with us!!! This is the communist party and the repukian party alike. If it weren't true we would see the bodies of Comey, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe and a bunch of others dangling like wind chimes.

Never be another like trump?

I strongly disagree.

It's just as when the Wright brothers proved that human flight was possible; and it opened the floodgate to the advancements that gave us the astounding possibilities of the world we live in today.

It's one thing to speculate, and quite another to demonstrate. Trump has demonstrated. Now it's up to others to follow in his footsteps.

Nothing terrifies evil more than the success of the good.

So what's keeping this from happening?

We are, when we insist that such lightning cannot strike ever again.

Be that lightning. Help your kids be that lighting.

Greg

PS Statistics can be tortured until they say anything that anybody wants them to say.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I've been wondering lately, under the assumption nothing catastrophic happens, after Trumps second term, who fills the void? It's safe to say there's never been one quite like him, I doubt there will be another quite like him. He's got momentum and success on his side and the ability to put wind into other candidates sails when he puts his endorsement behind them. I have no strong inclination to believe anyone I'm familiar with currently can pick up after the next 4 years and continue the "mean parent" role and keep us on track.

If there's any place to ask this question, I think it's here. Are there any local players to watch? Do you think someone already in the game can grow a set and fight the good fight? Do you think Trump has someone in mind to help preserve things? The big wins that help in the long run are the court appointments but it sure would be nice to see another term or two after him where we have a president that doesn't take any shit, doesn't apologize or backpedal and isn't beholden to big money from the usual suspects. If we can see some real, lasting change for another term or two after him, maybe we'll be successful in shaping the next generation of Americans on a large enough scale that we can see a lot of what we have to deal with now eradicated.

Maybe me, lol.

If my run as mayor works out.

 

[NY700]

Ah yes, it's an experiment as old as time.
Monkey group A, and Monkey group B, take regular beatings, and bananas are withheld.
Then one day, group A gets a reprieve, and group B takes a double dose. Group A actually cheer on the taskmasters in the beatings, now all they know is the beatings have stopped for them, and they still get their daily bananas. The group A monkeys have forgotten all about being denied the bananas.
Stupid monkeys.
One day soon group B will be dead from beatings and no bananas.......

That is a worthless a apology that fails to take into consideration the complex system that is a society.

America is aservice industry society. Once we were a manufacturing society now we are a service industry society.

some eagerly wish we would go back to being a manufacturing society but like most things we forget, because Americans as a whole are horrible historians, and we forget why we “evolved” past that. We did t want the jobs that meant our peopleget hurt, we didn’t want the businesses that meant our land water and air became polluted, we did t want the jobs that to maintain profitability meant 12-16 hr shifts so what did we do, we found someone else willing to do it and to takethose risks


even when we talk about brining those jobs back it won’t be the same. We need a small fraction of the people to do the same work done in the 1950s. It’s like bringing coal back. Most of it is automated it’s not going to cause a real labor boom

so what happens in our country when things like AI take away the need for a significant % of service jobs. Once upon a time we needed most of the labor force in this country to work in agriculture to produce enough food for us. Now we need almost no one to produce even more food than we know what to do with.
One day the same issue will be in place with all of these service. We will have hopefully at that time explored alternate movement

 

[SonicBurlap]

That is a worthless a apology that fails to take into consideration the complex system that is a society.

America is aservice industry society. Once we were a manufacturing society now we are a service industry society.

some eagerly wish we would go back to being a manufacturing society but like most things we forget, because Americans as a whole are horrible historians, and we forget why we “evolved” past that. We did t want the jobs that meant our peopleget hurt, we didn’t want the businesses that meant our land water and air became polluted, we did t want the jobs that to maintain profitability meant 12-16 hr shifts so what did we do, we found someone else willing to do it and to takethose risks


even when we talk about brining those jobs back it won’t be the same. We need a small fraction of the people to do the same work done in the 1950s. It’s like bringing coal back. Most of it is automated it’s not going to cause a real labor boom

so what happens in our country when things like AI take away the need for a significant % of service jobs. Once upon a time we needed most of the labor force in this country to work in agriculture to produce enough food for us. Now we need almost no one to produce even more food than we know what to do with.
One day the same issue will be in place with all of these service. We will have hopefully at that time explored alternate movement

If you think farming is no longer labor intensive you've obviously never been to a farm; are there less hands required, yes, less than a hundred years ago but those "almost no one" farmers are working their collective asses off from dawn to dusk to feed our nation, and then some. All the while our socialist "friends" want to tax them into oblivion, and ruin their heirs with the death tax because they are "so rich". All that because the very dirt they grow the food on is their capital without which the country would starve. Rich, yes, rich in dirt that they can't spend unless they fold the business.
As for AI, I have the dubious pleasure to use some of its assistance for part of what I do and AI is dumber than a box of Baracks. It always emphasizes what is not important and leaves out what is, or "enhances" it falsifying results. If AI is the future than it will take twice our current workforce to fix the damage it causes. I remember how computers were going to create a paperless society, I've got computers around me up to my eyebrows and more paperwork and binders now cluttering my office than ever before.

 

[CaptBrian]

Anytime the government takes more from one than from another it just means they decide they have the right to take what isn't theirs. If we want freedom as guaranteed by our Constitution then it needs to be ensured those who govern clearly understand where the limits of their authority are, otherwise a Republic can become Venezuela in a few short months.
The violation of one right always leads to another, we have the best form of government in the world ,communists have hated us for it for a long time and they have always tried to stoke the fires of envy fueled by their lie that to be able to get rich you have to steal from others, that there is a finite amount of wealth, and that to help others you have to take it from those who worked hard for it. Capitalism teaches us that if you work hard and have an idea you can create new markets and with it you can create new wealth. I'd rather bake many new pies than steal someone's slice of only one pie. But then again what do I know, I'm just an old soldier who has seen the murderous commie bastards cause poverty and misery in many countries around the globe in my lifetime. I want better for our kids and grand kids.

BOOM! I’m with the Gunny and many others here. The above and this profound short quote should be taught in every school in the United States of America:

“You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first TAKE from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they worked for that my friends is the beginning of the end of ANY NATION.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!” (Adrian Rodgers 1931).

 

[KnightCar]

Probably Mike Pence but i doubt he has the spine to face the dems like Trump is doing, Paul Ryan and the rest Rinos are not to be trusted.