not 100% sure but Mausingfield basically has a 3.78 opening.
3.85 mag is outside dimensions so not a 3.85 opening.
For my buddy’s 338 Norma I load the ammo.
we use a 3.63 COAL length with 285’s and 300’s
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American Rifle Company New Archimedes Action, New Xylo Chassis, and major Mausingfield revision
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not 100% sure but Mausingfield basically has a 3.78 opening.
3.85 mag is outside dimensions so not a 3.85 opening.
For my buddy’s 338 Norma I load the ammo.
we use a 3.63 COAL length with 285’s and 300’s
Anybody getting shipping notifications yet on the XYLO chassis? I figure that this whole Archimedes/trigger issue has things really slowed down.
I neglected to send in my action for the fix until recently.
I sent it with my Triggertech Diamond and my Nucleus bolt for it's update.
It was a super fast turnaround and I got my replacement Picatinny rail installed as well.
Before the Archimedes update, I installed my trigger and it was bad. I don't remember if I slammed it hard enough to close the bolt but it was bad. Now it is very nice.
I asked them to adjust it to their original design intent which I think is just a bit of cock on close. It takes a very slight press to push the bolt forward enough to drop it down. It is compressing a spring now, not running in to a wall. I doubt I would have ever thought anything about that if it had come that way. It's going to make a nice gun.
I have a CIP length magazine coming from the MDT Black Friday sale and it will be going in the Xylo chassis I ordered, hopefully sooner rather than later but I have no insight on that.
I sent it with my Triggertech Diamond and my Nucleus bolt for it's update.
It was a super fast turnaround and I got my replacement Picatinny rail installed as well.
Before the Archimedes update, I installed my trigger and it was bad. I don't remember if I slammed it hard enough to close the bolt but it was bad. Now it is very nice.
I asked them to adjust it to their original design intent which I think is just a bit of cock on close. It takes a very slight press to push the bolt forward enough to drop it down. It is compressing a spring now, not running in to a wall. I doubt I would have ever thought anything about that if it had come that way. It's going to make a nice gun.
I have a CIP length magazine coming from the MDT Black Friday sale and it will be going in the Xylo chassis I ordered, hopefully sooner rather than later but I have no insight on that.
My guess is it will be many, many months. If you really want to use your action in the near future I'd pick up something cheap with good resale in the meantime, like a Bravo. I'm thinking about doing the same.
What's the bolt disassembly procedure for the Archimedes? Picking mine up on Monday. I've found the exploded parts view but no instructions or procedure to strip the bolt.
My nucleus is very easy to strip, I'm sure the Archimedes will take a few more steps.
My nucleus is very easy to strip, I'm sure the Archimedes will take a few more steps.
I put together my rifle last week and shot a few rounds. Initial impressions are positive. The action is kind of quirky in that it doesn't extract like a traditional 700 clone. Not bad, just different. Overall I like the action and shot some impressive groups with random ammo I loaded over 10 years ago. My TL3 is easier to work on and head spacing takes less steps (I had to pull the Arch ejector to insert the action wrench), but the Arch doesn't appear to need break in to smooth out. Feeding is flawless from MDT 223 mags and extraction is confident.
The Arch is unique and I find that appealing in a sea clones. Will it prove reliable? We'll see.
The Arch is unique and I find that appealing in a sea clones. Will it prove reliable? We'll see.
Send a request to ARC and they can hook you up to a YouTube walkthrough. It was dead simple for me to follow along when I updated my bolt handle and bushing.
There's a disassembly/reassembly video on the ARC site: https://www.americanrifle.com/support
Weird. I am able to insert the action wrench without removing the ejector. Maybe ensure the ejector is "pointing forward" by pulling a finger over the outside of the ejector towards the rear of the action? Just thinking aloud.
Thanks for the link to the bolt disassembly video, I totally missed it. I was looking at ARCs YouTube channel and it's not there, it's posted under another user name.
There's an updated action wrench for the nucleus and Archimedes. I just sent my old one back for exchange. The new one has more material around the lugs and won't clear the ejector, the old wrench would clear the ejector.
americanrifle.odoo.com
There's an updated action wrench for the nucleus and Archimedes. I just sent my old one back for exchange. The new one has more material around the lugs and won't clear the ejector, the old wrench would clear the ejector.
Receiver Wrench, Nucleus & Archimedes
americanrifle.odoo.com
I think there are new Action Wrenches that require the removal of the ejector. I have the older one and it works fine.
I didn't have to pull the ARC ejector when headspacing.
Were you using the ARC action wrench or some other one?
I was also pretty happy that the Arch and Nuke take the same action wrench.
I've shot about 160 rounds through mine and admittedly they were all 223, but they all fed and ejected perfectly. Which I can't say for some of my other custom actions that are push feed. I know it was a little annoying to have to send the action back, but I don't know how they could have handled it any better. It was quick and painless and I even made a buck or two off the shipping. Seems like the pre-order price was definitely worth the minor inconvenience to me.
Were you using the ARC action wrench or some other one?
I was also pretty happy that the Arch and Nuke take the same action wrench.
I've shot about 160 rounds through mine and admittedly they were all 223, but they all fed and ejected perfectly. Which I can't say for some of my other custom actions that are push feed. I know it was a little annoying to have to send the action back, but I don't know how they could have handled it any better. It was quick and painless and I even made a buck or two off the shipping. Seems like the pre-order price was definitely worth the minor inconvenience to me.
Receiver Wrench, Nucleus & Archimedes
www.americanrifle.com
Look at "Product Overview"
"Ejector must be removed from receiver to insert the wrench. This is required for the wrench to have sufficient material to engage the receiver once inserted."
If you scroll back a few pages, i believe ARC/Ted mentioned the new action wrench needs removal of ejector. Not the old one. Looks like the new wrench can handle up to 150ft/lb. Older one is only 100ft/lb.
The nucleus being a rem 700 footprint with a removable scope base can still accept a normal external action wrench though, right?
(saving for the nucleus now, hoping my current external wrench will work and if not Il have to budget for another action wrench)
(saving for the nucleus now, hoping my current external wrench will work and if not Il have to budget for another action wrench)
Yes, you can. I used one to install a Criterion small shank prefit barrel when I first received a Nucleus action.
Received the revised action wrench today... The tri-lobed nose that grabs the action is *way* beefier than the old design.
Wonder if someone twisted the old design wrench with excessive torque and either stuck it in the receiver or damaged the raceways... I figure if ARC is exchanging them for no charge there's a darn good reason they don't want you to keep using the original design wrench.
Wonder if someone twisted the old design wrench with excessive torque and either stuck it in the receiver or damaged the raceways... I figure if ARC is exchanging them for no charge there's a darn good reason they don't want you to keep using the original design wrench.
I posted the link above, here it is again:
Receiver Wrench, Nucleus & Archimedes
www.americanrifle.com
Check out the pictures on the link above. The old wrench had relief cuts on either side of the "upper" lobe to clear the ejector. The new one has quite a bit more material at the nose which is why you need to remove the ejector to use it.
I had no idea it was available either until I was poking around on ARC's webpage last week. I bought my action wrench the same time the Nucleus first shipped, so it was the original design. Going to swap a barrel from the Nucleus to the Archimedes next week so I figured I had better exchange the wrench just in case.
Funny you should ask....Why, yes, as a matter of fact they did (see my recent post about how pleasantly impressed I was with their customer service). I’m the second owner of my Nuke and I galled the raceways trying to remove the barrel that was on the action when I got it. The force required was pretty significant and when the action finally torqued the (old-style) wrench slipped forward/angled. ARC fixed and shipped back same day along with the new wrench and another extractor (I have an early action and the extractor was slightly oversized). No charge for anything.
Edit: also, the new wrench seems to grab a bit more surface area. I prefer it over the old
It’s to reduce glare. It’s done one a lot of pistol sights nowadays. Kinda cool that they added it to the rear tang.
Ironically emailed ARC earlier this week, they updated with not making December timeframe. Now pushed to end of January, early February timeframe.
That's good to know. I'm not in a hurry, I just want an idea of when my credit card will be charged for my Xylo.
I still have to figure out my chambering, brass and barrel length/maker but it will be nice to have a chassis for my Archimedes.
I still have to figure out my chambering, brass and barrel length/maker but it will be nice to have a chassis for my Archimedes.
And here's why our XYLO's are still hanging out there.....Ted's been thinking about actions some more.
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American Rifle Company, $795 Nucleus Gen 1.1 and Gen 2.0 Bolt Actions
Scroll down to read about the $795 Nucleus Gen 1.1 Customers with pending orders can choose from either the $795 Gen 1.1 or the $1000 Gen 2.0 American Rifle Company Nucleus® Gen 2.0 American Rifle Company is proud to introduce the Nucleus Gen 2.0 bolt action. We decided to update the Nucleus...
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Did anyone else log into their account and see request to pay remainder balance of their Xylo? I logged in to collect an older invoice and got a pay now from back in late Oct but didnt get any email which I always do.
That is a true statement however I'm thinking about other things as well, more than just actions and the chassis. It was important for us to streamline our workflows by revising the Nucleus design. Doing so will help us deliver both the actions and the chassis faster. After all, both products draw from the same scarce resources.And here's why our XYLO's are still hanging out there.....Ted's been thinking about actions some more.
American Rifle Company, $795 Nucleus Gen 1.1 and Gen 2.0 Bolt Actions
Scroll down to read about the $795 Nucleus Gen 1.1 Customers with pending orders can choose from either the $795 Gen 1.1 or the $1000 Gen 2.0 American Rifle Company Nucleus® Gen 2.0 American Rifle Company is proud to introduce the Nucleus Gen 2.0 bolt action. We decided to update the Nucleus...
Another reason for the delay was my choice to deliberately delay the development, or at least alleviate the delivery pressure that I feel, in order to let the design mature a bit. Along the way, new ideas have been incorporated that I think you guys will like very much.
And, in the spirit of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, my focus on the chassis waxes and wains like the phases of the moon. I have difficulty persevering at things after the initial excitement of the design phase subsides. We are well into the production phase now and I am not as excited about it as I should be.
But now with Shot Show fast approaching, the pressure is on to deliver pre-orders and to have the final version of the chassis on display at the show. I will publish computer renderings soon. In the meantime, have a look at the pics below. What's shown is the main part of the production chassis after the first main machining operation. I've also attached a screen shot of the final design.
Specs:
- Weight is approximately 4.65 pounds as shown in the screen shot below
- Two inches of length-of-pull fast tool-less adjustment. By fast, I mean easily less that two seconds, basically on the fly.
- Additional one inch of length-of pull-adjustment requiring wrench
- Plenty of fast tool-less cheek piece adjustment up and down.
- Plenty cheek piece adjustment left and right, fore and aft, as well a some rotation in the horizontal plane.
- Rubber cheek piece stretched over underlying aluminum structure.
- Cheek-piece lock
- Ergonomic walnut piston grip enabling optimal hand placement for extremely fast bolt cycling.
- Vertically adjustable Kick-Eez recoil pad made specifically for the Xylo.
- Three serviceable and extremely durable hardened stainless steel swivel cups.
- Includes bag rider having four additional integrally machined swivel cups.
- M-LOK slots along both sides of the fore end.
- Integrally machine ARCA rail compatible with Area 419 ARCALOCK
- Integrally machined Anschutz rail
- Fully integrated pop-out ambi-bubble level that guys over 40 can actually see. Look just in front of the mag well.
- Supplemental recoil lug wedge locking device for immobilizing the action
- Mag latch that prevents magazine-bolt drag
- One-piece 7075 aluminum main body
- 3/8" diameter 6Al4V titanium length-of-pull slide rods
- Anodized finish
- Forward Picatinny optics mount
- Auxiliary bi-pod adapter
- Internal and external fore end weight kit
- Steel bag riders doubling as aft end weight kit
Ted
That’s really exciting to see. I understand well having varying enthusiasm for a project, but I really think you are on track to create something very uniquely beautiful and functional. Looking forward to seeing it in person one day.
@karagias thanks for the detailed Xylo update! I hope that you didn't take my comment above as a complaint or criticism. As an engineer I certainly understand streamlining your processes. And there is only so much time (human and CNC machine) to go around.
When the xylo chassis is ready.... I'll be ready for it!
Regards
Ross
When the xylo chassis is ready.... I'll be ready for it!
Regards
Ross
When you log in go to your name and click "My Account" - and the page will show "My Documents" with 2 lists - "Sales Orders" and "Invoices". Under Invoices I noticed the invoice that was my Xylo downpayment says "waiting for payment" ... data 10/18.
Usually ARC requires payment on when the order can be fulfilled - sent a mail to them as this was weird.
Ted, a suggestion for a tool you may want to offer for the Archimedes...
When I first disassembled & reassembled my Archimedes bolt I used a deep socket that fit inside the bolt body to compress the firing pin spring and plunger inside the bolt body to insert and remove the take down dowel pin. While that worked fine, I thought I could make it easier.
I made this little tool out of 1.0" diameter stock delrin on the lathe. The center "pin" is 0.450" diameter x 1.150" long and fits inside the bolt body once you remove the pivoting handle. When you slip the bolt body over the tool, push the bolt down until the back of the bolt body contacts the base of the tool. This compresses the plunger and firing pin spring to the correct distance such that the takedown dowel pin easily slips into and out of the hole in the bolt body and corresponding groove in the plunger without having to jiggle everything around to try and line up the pin hole in the bolt body and the groove in the plunger.
When I first disassembled & reassembled my Archimedes bolt I used a deep socket that fit inside the bolt body to compress the firing pin spring and plunger inside the bolt body to insert and remove the take down dowel pin. While that worked fine, I thought I could make it easier.
I made this little tool out of 1.0" diameter stock delrin on the lathe. The center "pin" is 0.450" diameter x 1.150" long and fits inside the bolt body once you remove the pivoting handle. When you slip the bolt body over the tool, push the bolt down until the back of the bolt body contacts the base of the tool. This compresses the plunger and firing pin spring to the correct distance such that the takedown dowel pin easily slips into and out of the hole in the bolt body and corresponding groove in the plunger without having to jiggle everything around to try and line up the pin hole in the bolt body and the groove in the plunger.
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That's a good idea. Are you in the business of making parts? Contact us at our sales email address. Either Justin or I will get back to you. Thanks.
Ted
I didn't take it as criticism only because implication as such wasn't strongly conveyed by your choice of words. But, if it was criticism, I would welcome it and I would thank you for it. The long time that people have waited for the chassis certainly warrants criticism.
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Ted
Integrally machine ARCA rail compatible with Area 419 ARCALOCK
Best news I've heard about this project
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more collaboration between ARC and Area 419.
Best news I've heard about this project
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more collaboration between ARC and Area 419.
I've got a question about bolt head interchangeability between the archimedes and nucleus gen1 action.
I have LA gen 1 nucleus and short action archimedes. if I want to pick up another bolt face size that i can use in both actions i should get a nucleus bolt head? To avoid bump on close issues with the nucleus correct?
I have LA gen 1 nucleus and short action archimedes. if I want to pick up another bolt face size that i can use in both actions i should get a nucleus bolt head? To avoid bump on close issues with the nucleus correct?
Well don't worry about it too much.....until it ships. Shouldn't be long now (stated with hope, not sarcasm).
There is a separate thread on the Barloc's shift issue. Maybe your question would be better suited there. But, I think even in that thread, there were no plans to change anything or address the shift.
I think LRI has an insert that you can use to return a barloc shouldered barrel to a normal shouldered barrel and fully remove the barloc from the equation.
Are you running a savage prefit barrel or a shouldered barrel? All of the the zero shift issues I’ve heard were directly attributed to shouldered barrels that allowed the top of the Barloc to touch thereby not imparting the full tension to the barrel threads. With the savage prefit you are able to adjust the barrel nut to ensure the full force is transferred to the threads.
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