As the title says, guess my latest project. 3" barrel, .38 special caliber. Block of aluminum is 3x2x1 inches.
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Another game of "What Am I Building"? FINISHED, W/VIDEO
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Not by my research. The .38 S&W was pretty much replaced with the development of the .38 Special.
Oh man, I love this game! Sometimes the Hide brain is too fast and it's over awfully quick. It is always interesting to see what projects you are working on and get to learn a little obscure firearms history in the process.
On the other hand, the ATF seems to think they were made in both calibers:
In the current AFT C&R publication the “OSS Glove Pistol, caliber.38 S&W or.38 special,” is listed under Section III as a weapon removed from the NFA list as collectors’ items and classified as a curio or relic under the GCA stating: “The Bureau has determined that by reason of the date of their manufacture, design, and other characteristics, the following firearms are primarily collector’s items and are not likely to be used as weapons and, therefore, are excluded from the provisions of the National Firearms Act.”
Curiously, the patent itself doesn't mention a particular calibre but actually shows and describes it using a shotgun shell instead of a bullet...
Was it originally intended for a .410 shell/.45 Colt, perhaps, and then changed to .38 during production?
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The originals were 38 S&W. There were reproductions made in 38 special.
See below references.
Sedgley Glove Gun
www.forgottenweapons.com
Per Ian McCollum it is 38 S&W
Guns.com - 38 S&W
Per Brownells, 38 S&W
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This legit original was 38 s&w. Read there were some reproductions made in 38spc
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/509/usn-sedgley-mk2-fist-gun-glove-pistol
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/74/509/usn-sedgley-mk2-fist-gun-glove-pistol
I don't know but the finish and threads(?) look like shit...amateurish. Probably dangerous to bystanders.
More like a weak pipe bomb, from the looks of it.
More like a weak pipe bomb, from the looks of it.
I usually don't reply to posts like this, but you seem confused about how a firearm is built. Finish? That's a raw block of Aluminum. Threads? The threads have been turned down to make a barrel liner. It's at about the 25% point in construction. But thanks for the input.
Can’t believe no one has posted one of the few times one of these surfaced in a movie!
Looks Awesome BW!
Gorlami!
Sirhr
Looks Awesome BW!
Gorlami!
Sirhr
Here's mine, built in seconds...what is it?
It's a rifled barrel and block of aluminum.
Almost the same as yours, grasshopper...but bigger bore.
Go ahead guess!
Really, ... It's just shit, I have laying around the shop.
Same as yours.
That's my guess...
Notice the 50BMG pills ready for loading, 650 and 750 grs...for something I built that is real.
It's a rifled barrel and block of aluminum.
Almost the same as yours, grasshopper...but bigger bore.
Go ahead guess!
Really, ... It's just shit, I have laying around the shop.
Same as yours.
That's my guess...
Notice the 50BMG pills ready for loading, 650 and 750 grs...for something I built that is real.
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You remind me of a dumbass
Take this stuff to the bear pit. This isn’t how vintage works.
Buffalo Winter has restored and/or built from scratch some amazing historical recreations. Has restored a dozens of real period pieces. Has built more cool stuff from scratch and the bins of parts than 99 percent of folks here.
While I joke about his welding… I own several things he has restored or “built”’over the years and they are not “crap.”
What starts out as an aluminum block and a barrel sleeve in an initial picture will ultimately not only work, but will be cool as hell.
So drop it. This section of the hide has bancats with hair triggers.
Sirhr
The picture of the glove/gun had me confused. Watching the movie clip it now makes sense. More of a mele firearm. An assassin's tool. Very cool.
Yeah just seeing a picture you think maybe it's like Boba Fett's wrist-launcher or you hold out your arm and actuate a trigger. Nope, you PUNCH Nazis with it and then steal their shit! Is it the best design for an "assassination device"? Nah. It's too bulky and too obvious, can't really be fully concealed like they did with belt buckles and cigarette cases. But for a quick-use guerilla fighter's semi-covert weapon, it do work good.
I don't know about you guys, but this is my new favorite forum copy pasta! Any time a well respected member of the Vintage Section (such as buffalowinter or sirhrmechanic, etc.) posts an awesome thread about something amazing that they're building, this should always be the first post once the thread is started! 
No reason why we can't have fun with the pure retarded ignorance that was provided to us, lol.
"I don't know but the finish and threads(?) look like shit...amateurish. Probably dangerous to bystanders.
More like a weak pipe bomb, from the looks of it."
No reason why we can't have fun with the pure retarded ignorance that was provided to us, lol."I don't know but the finish and threads(?) look like shit...amateurish. Probably dangerous to bystanders.
More like a weak pipe bomb, from the looks of it."
Hey, let's keep it professional and courteous in the tech forums. If you wanna talk trash, take it to the pit.
From what I can tell based on posts in other threads, this IS professional and courteous. I’m really surprised more people don’t have him on ignore. I was curious about what buffalowinyer was responding to. I gotta say I’m not surprised, and was immediately reminded why I have 45 on ignore. Better than a ban, as I decide if it is lifted.
LIVE FIRE TEST
Live fire with .38 special 115g LaserCast RNFP from my sponsored days as a Cowboy Action Shooter.
Everything worked fine. Got the hammer geometry right on the first go. Ignore the threaded screw, nail for a roll pin etc. This is all in the design and testing phase. Now we move on to the finish phase. Clean everything up, make the top cover, polish all parts, put in roll pins, axle's etc. Shape everything to the original (more or less) design, apply battleworn Cerakote to gun and battleworn finish to the glove, and put it all together. I'll probably finish this afternoon.
Live fire with .38 special 115g LaserCast RNFP from my sponsored days as a Cowboy Action Shooter.
Everything worked fine. Got the hammer geometry right on the first go. Ignore the threaded screw, nail for a roll pin etc. This is all in the design and testing phase. Now we move on to the finish phase. Clean everything up, make the top cover, polish all parts, put in roll pins, axle's etc. Shape everything to the original (more or less) design, apply battleworn Cerakote to gun and battleworn finish to the glove, and put it all together. I'll probably finish this afternoon.
LIVE FIRE TEST
Live fire with .38 special 115g LaserCast RNFP from my sponsored days as a Cowboy Action Shooter.
Everything worked fine. Got the hammer geometry right on the first go. Ignore the threaded screw, nail for a roll pin etc. This is all in the design and testing phase. Now we move on to the finish phase. Clean everything up, make the top cover, polish all parts, put in roll pins, axle's etc. Shape everything to the original (more or less) design, apply battleworn Cerakote to gun and battleworn finish to the glove, and put it all together. I'll probably finish this afternoon.
I don't know but the finish and threads(?) look like shit...amateurish. Probably dangerous to bystanders.
More like a weak pipe bomb, from the looks of it.
Sorry, couldn't resist!
That's awesome, you build some amazing stuff and these threads are always some of the best on this entire forum! I think we're all looking forward to a video of you punching the shit out of a dummy with that OSS glove!
Like the Liberator, which Eisenhower had 3/4 of a million dropped in the bottom of the ocean, the glove gun was even less practical and more dangerous.
Neither ever documented as being used.
The movie is an unrealistic joke...this thing would get one killed in real life.
Like the rocket pistol in Vietnam.
There are a few "firearms" that were really usless and dangerous POS, this is one of them.
It must have heavy contact to a hard surface fire.
Hit a fat guy hard in the chest, it probably won't go off.
The original was a crude failure as a weapon...worse than many prison zip guns.
The orginial post asked, "guess what it is?"
I did.
A piece of aluminum and a rough turned rifled barrel is no masterpiece in my book...I have the same thing laying around in my shop, as shown, with no effort made.
And like you, I'm entitled to my opinion.
But you can love on its unrealized beauty all ya want...
Neither ever documented as being used.
The movie is an unrealistic joke...this thing would get one killed in real life.
Like the rocket pistol in Vietnam.
There are a few "firearms" that were really usless and dangerous POS, this is one of them.
It must have heavy contact to a hard surface fire.
Hit a fat guy hard in the chest, it probably won't go off.
The original was a crude failure as a weapon...worse than many prison zip guns.
The orginial post asked, "guess what it is?"
I did.
A piece of aluminum and a rough turned rifled barrel is no masterpiece in my book...I have the same thing laying around in my shop, as shown, with no effort made.
And like you, I'm entitled to my opinion.
But you can love on its unrealized beauty all ya want...
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Always wanted a GyroJet. I bid on a few many many years ago, but never followed through with staying high bidder.
Something about the odd stuff is really cool and deserves to be preserved.
You certainly have a right to your opinion.
You have a right to express it.
The issue is that on this part of the site we all get along. Share, admire and compliment the threads we like.
If a thread does not appeal to you it’s basic courtesy to simply not comment. This is not the place to sling shit.
I have zero influence with the management of this site. Yet I have an uncanny ability to see the swing of the ban hammer.
I kindly suggest you move along and let us enjoy our friends projects. Or, stay here, continue to make an ass of yourself and probably get banned in the process at some point.
LIVE FIRE TEST
Live fire with .38 special 115g LaserCast RNFP from my sponsored days as a Cowboy Action Shooter.
Everything worked fine. Got the hammer geometry right on the first go. Ignore the threaded screw, nail for a roll pin etc. This is all in the design and testing phase. Now we move on to the finish phase. Clean everything up, make the top cover, polish all parts, put in roll pins, axle's etc. Shape everything to the original (more or less) design, apply battleworn Cerakote to gun and battleworn finish to the glove, and put it all together. I'll probably finish this afternoon.
Very cool.....
You’re a real sad and lonely person. I hope your life gets better for you.
I think that what @hlee was saying is that response by 45 is his level of professional and courteous. As in he isn't that professional or courteous.
At least that is the way I read it.
I have considered putting him on ignore as well.
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Oh leave 45 alone, I’ve heard that he’s a little traumatized from an old incident involving fisting his mom with one of those gloved sedgleys
It's great to me that they used a bunch of GyroJets in "You Only Live Twice". Ninjas with rocket-guns are one of those things that could go one of two ways, and it worked.
That was Gyrojets big chance and it didn’t take off….
If only someone was still making ammo!
Who else has heard of a “Dardick?”
Dardick Model 1500: The Very Unusual Magazine-fed Revolver
www.forgottenweapons.com
Another wierd unicorn that you can’t get ammo for but was an interesting concept.
Cheers,
Sirhr
I’ve always wanted to make one of these up. OSS sleeve gun also called Stinger.
BTW I checked with a buddy who wrote one of the books about OSS operations as to whether the glove guns had ever been used operationally.
He said he had never seen anything in the reports. But that does not mean they were not issued or used. Just not in available research materials. Though he suspects not used.
But a sleeve gun/stinger like the one pictured above was used to kill a German officer in his bed. There are probably other examples. So it was definitely used.
Liberators were used as a means to acquire a more advanced weapon. They were not a battle weapon. But cost only about a dollar each… so were a good value for OSS in terms of creating disruption and giving resistance fighters a way to resist. Concept was tried again in Vietnam with the “deer gun.” Widely used “fire and forget” disposable weapon. There are still probably tens of thousands in dresser drawers all over France, Belgium and Holland. Along with Sten guns, MG42’s and anything else being saved for a rainy day.
Then there was the “toothpaste gun…” from the Cold War. Also called the stinger.
Covert action breeds cool stuff.
BTW the Welrod was only ‘just’ taken out of inventory in the last year or two. All the remaining operational guns are at the Royal Armouries being catalogued. The RA will keep one of each ‘variant’ and the rest will go out to museums. Hopefully not destroyed. There may be a book coming on Welrod. Not being “coy” about it. Just don’t know if my buddy who went to the RA last year and examined all the Welrods will get around to writing it.
Though I suspect that a ‘few’ Welrods may have remained at some units. They are still extremely useful for their designed purpose. Though some slide-locked autos are almost as quiet. Welrod is still the varsity.
Sirhr
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Is the modern version of the Welrod from B&T available that may have contributed to the retirement:
https://bt-usa.com/product-category/station6/ and their earlier VP9 "Veterinary pistol"
Yup. I have handled one. They are neat.
Not sure if they have been adopted by any military units, though!
Would be interesting if they have. Never looked into it. I assumed they were just selling them as sort of a “Welrod knockoff” for the civilian market. But maybe there are some unit’s using them. I just don’t know!
Cheers!
Sirhr
Well, "tolerance stacking" and a growing list of "if I did this again, I should do it this way", has led me to scrap version one and build a new, improved, version two. Live fire tested, using a hammer to tap the firing pin, and everything worked fine. The final hurdle is building a new hammer. The hammer throw is very short and is a major sticking point in getting enough force to ignite the primer. Force equals mass times acceleration (F=MA). Both mass and acceleration are problems. The steel hammer is small and there is not a lot of room for acceleration. Still a lot of shaping to do. Still have to build a top cover and then Cerakote and attach to glove. The attachment to a leather glove further compounds the problem because it will give when striking, thus lessening the acceleration part of the equation.
Version 2.0 is good to go. Hammer is a better design and works fine. All the design and hard stuff is done. I only have the top cover, final shaping, bead blasting, Cerakote, then attach to the glove.
As usual, version 2.0 wasn't reliable enough "to be "good to go". So I went to Version 3.0. It turns out the original glove gun design took a very hard strike to ignite the primer. It seems that in 1947, the glove gun concept was still viable enough to warrant improvement, which resulted in this striker fired design of the below "fist gun".
So version 3.0 was a striker fired design. I put made the striker and it worked fine. However, I couldn't figure out a "trigger" design that was activated by the plunger...there just wasn't enough room in the original design.
So on to version 4.0. Back to the original design, but I am making an exact copy of the hammer design. Then I'm going to attach it to the glove for final testing.
So version 3.0 was a striker fired design. I put made the striker and it worked fine. However, I couldn't figure out a "trigger" design that was activated by the plunger...there just wasn't enough room in the original design.
So on to version 4.0. Back to the original design, but I am making an exact copy of the hammer design. Then I'm going to attach it to the glove for final testing.
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