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Just picked up another one up from the pound last week. Makes 3 now, all from the pound.
You should see the death and destruction everywhere we go. Stacks of dead babies and torn off faces. The dead cats are piling up in my freezer because I ran out of room to bury them. All my neighbors keep posting missing animal and children signs but I'm too ashamed to tell them.
Don't know how I've made it out alive after all these years of having them. 20+ years of living on borrowed time I guess. Keep having to go to the pound to get new ones because they kill each other so often. Good thing they are a dime a dozen at the shelters.
The boxer that took half my ear off while going for my face as a child was just mis-understood. That only took a couple rounds of plastic surgery to fix, so no big deal. A dalmatian that took a chunk out of my hand was just having a bad day I was told. And the off leash GSD that attacked one of my leashed dogs on a walk just thought he was doing police work and taking care of some of the 13%ers. Totally understandable if you ask me.
You should see the death and destruction everywhere we go. Stacks of dead babies and torn off faces. The dead cats are piling up in my freezer because I ran out of room to bury them. All my neighbors keep posting missing animal and children signs but I'm too ashamed to tell them.
Don't know how I've made it out alive after all these years of having them. 20+ years of living on borrowed time I guess. Keep having to go to the pound to get new ones because they kill each other so often. Good thing they are a dime a dozen at the shelters.
The boxer that took half my ear off while going for my face as a child was just mis-understood. That only took a couple rounds of plastic surgery to fix, so no big deal. A dalmatian that took a chunk out of my hand was just having a bad day I was told. And the off leash GSD that attacked one of my leashed dogs on a walk just thought he was doing police work and taking care of some of the 13%ers. Totally understandable if you ask me.
Here’s something to consider. The owner (regardless of breed) says he won’t bite
Prove It!
All the owner can really prove is that to the best of the owners knowledge, he / she has not bitten anyone yet. Otherwise, pure bullshit and as far as I am concerned the owner is guilty of negligence (for not obeying the law noted in the following paragraph.
In Louisiana we have a leash law. Probably the most ignored law in the entire northern part of the state. However, it is so pleasant to cycle by a home and see a dog with a rather vicious demeanor, safely tucked behind the fence the owner constructed at his home.
Probably the worst thing is to see a dog running loose at a cycling or motorcycle race. ‘The folks who bring dogs to those races ought to be skinned and salted.
Prove It!
All the owner can really prove is that to the best of the owners knowledge, he / she has not bitten anyone yet. Otherwise, pure bullshit and as far as I am concerned the owner is guilty of negligence (for not obeying the law noted in the following paragraph.
In Louisiana we have a leash law. Probably the most ignored law in the entire northern part of the state. However, it is so pleasant to cycle by a home and see a dog with a rather vicious demeanor, safely tucked behind the fence the owner constructed at his home.
Probably the worst thing is to see a dog running loose at a cycling or motorcycle race. ‘The folks who bring dogs to those races ought to be skinned and salted.
Could be an extreme health issue like a brain tumor or just poor genetics.
I’ve been to customers houses who had a pit type dog locked in the bedroom tearing it apart snarling barking nonstop because they want to attack every visitor and/or fight with the other dog. Oh we just keep them separate he’s actually really sweet! Fuck living like that.
So here’s the thing….not gonna judge…..just gonna put this out there:
I worked with a person who had a pittie. We worked in a close quarter environment. Kinda like a fire station kinda thing. Kitchen, ready room, sofas, recliners. That person used to bring their pittie to work. Sweet doggie. Used to curl up with whoever was in the recliner or chilaxin on the sofa. The owner worked the midnight shift, I worked days. There was an overlap so I cuddled with “sweetie” many times. So not like we were strangers to one another.
One morning I roll into work and start down the hall to the ready room. Ole “sweetie” here’s the door open when I come in, and down the hall she comes growling and carrying on like she gonna eat me up. Co worker hears all this and yells at her. Luckily for me, and the dog, she stopped.
Not sure what would have happened had the owner not been there.
To me, pit bulls are like anything else in life….it’s all good until it ain’t.
I worked with a person who had a pittie. We worked in a close quarter environment. Kinda like a fire station kinda thing. Kitchen, ready room, sofas, recliners. That person used to bring their pittie to work. Sweet doggie. Used to curl up with whoever was in the recliner or chilaxin on the sofa. The owner worked the midnight shift, I worked days. There was an overlap so I cuddled with “sweetie” many times. So not like we were strangers to one another.
One morning I roll into work and start down the hall to the ready room. Ole “sweetie” here’s the door open when I come in, and down the hall she comes growling and carrying on like she gonna eat me up. Co worker hears all this and yells at her. Luckily for me, and the dog, she stopped.
Not sure what would have happened had the owner not been there.
To me, pit bulls are like anything else in life….it’s all good until it ain’t.
I see them like a land mine. It can lay there dormant for years then a wrong footfall and boom....
Thats true of any animal, or human for that matter, look what going on in our society. Otherwise normal people just snapping and killing for no reason. But when i see the statistics on the pits its kind of clear.
And a certain apology for my earlier attitude. I was sitting on my back porch having a quiet coffe when this one hits the fence wide open barking And I'm surrounded by the goddamned things. 12 within a literal stones throw.
That couple in Tennessee had two purebred pitbulls from a big name breeder. They had them for nine years, they dressed them up a little tutus, they put hats on them, they gave them birthday cakes, one day the dogs snapped and killed the little kids and put the mom in the hospital. Attack lasted almost 30 minutes. It’s 30 minutes of Mom trying to fight off the dogs while they tore up both of the kids. That’s not normal shit. It’s not you just step on his tail one day. The damn things are disasters waiting to happen.
I am struggling with this thread... it makes me sad
I have had up to 5 Pitts at one time and helped to rescue many more. NONE were inherently bad or evil. Yes, they are strong and capable of doing serious damage but, in my experience, NOT WITHOUT PROVOCATION or encouragement by their "Human" owners. They have a loving nature but make no mistake that they are ready to protect their owner and themselves.
I am sure that many of those contributing to this thread would think that Great Danes are a kind breed. However, based on some of the comments here, you might come to the conclusion that they too should be untrusted and arbitrarily killed if you knew that they were bred to hunt and KILL will wild boar. Killing is in their breeding and nature.
One day, my female Great Dane had an altercation with one of my male Pitts. Before i knew it, the Great Dane picked him up by the neck and was shaking it in the air like a rag doll. A scary moment indeed.
In my experience, female dogs of all breeds are more on the unstable side than their male counterparts, some breeds more than others. Since that is their nature, i guess we should just slaughter them as well.
My wife is a realtor. She is more afraid of the little ankle biters like yorkies and chiwawa because in her experience, they are the ones most commonly doing the attacking when a stranger enters their house. Lets kill them too because it is in their nature.
just unbelievable
I have had up to 5 Pitts at one time and helped to rescue many more. NONE were inherently bad or evil. Yes, they are strong and capable of doing serious damage but, in my experience, NOT WITHOUT PROVOCATION or encouragement by their "Human" owners. They have a loving nature but make no mistake that they are ready to protect their owner and themselves.
I am sure that many of those contributing to this thread would think that Great Danes are a kind breed. However, based on some of the comments here, you might come to the conclusion that they too should be untrusted and arbitrarily killed if you knew that they were bred to hunt and KILL will wild boar. Killing is in their breeding and nature.
One day, my female Great Dane had an altercation with one of my male Pitts. Before i knew it, the Great Dane picked him up by the neck and was shaking it in the air like a rag doll. A scary moment indeed.
In my experience, female dogs of all breeds are more on the unstable side than their male counterparts, some breeds more than others. Since that is their nature, i guess we should just slaughter them as well.
My wife is a realtor. She is more afraid of the little ankle biters like yorkies and chiwawa because in her experience, they are the ones most commonly doing the attacking when a stranger enters their house. Lets kill them too because it is in their nature.
just unbelievable
A balanced dog needs both physical and mental stimulation. If you don't exercise them they are a PITA. If you don't let them satisfy their prey drive and desire to bite things and pull and shake, they will find something to do it to that will cost you dearly.
My dog is not a harmless animal. He will tolerate a lot, but is trained to look to me to solve problems before he acts out. Its my responsibility to make sure he doesn't get put in situations where bad things can happen. It's also my responsibility to make sure if a bad situation does happen, there is enough training in place to give me enough time to intervene.
You wouldn't believe how many times people let their dogs off leash and they run up right in between me and him doing drills.
My dog is not a harmless animal. He will tolerate a lot, but is trained to look to me to solve problems before he acts out. Its my responsibility to make sure he doesn't get put in situations where bad things can happen. It's also my responsibility to make sure if a bad situation does happen, there is enough training in place to give me enough time to intervene.
You wouldn't believe how many times people let their dogs off leash and they run up right in between me and him doing drills.
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I understand your 'struggle', it bothers me to feel the way I do, but I've just seen too much too feel other wise. Having 12 aggressive ones so close no doubt influences my peace of mind. But see the post above yours.
"That couple in Tennessee had two purebred pitbulls from a big name breeder. They had them for nine years, they dressed them up a little tutus, they put hats on them, they gave them birthday cakes, one day the dogs snapped and killed the little kids and put the mom in the hospital. Attack lasted almost 30 minutes. It’s 30 minutes of Mom trying to fight off the dogs while they tore up both of the kids. That’s not normal shit. It’s not you just step on his tail one day. The damn things are disasters waiting to happen."
Yeah, dobies can do that, Rotts can do that, Shepherds can do that, but look at the statistics above.
Great video, thanks for sharing. You're one of the responsible owners.
My one caveat is that if you loook the statistics they are not in your breeds favor. I'll grant you, 80% of the bad outcomes are likely highly owner related. But for some reason these dogs appeal to dirtballs, and thus the problem.
Do you have a feasible solution? Even a good suggestion?
I honestly don't mean any offense here: but I think you should view these threads with an open mind, regardless of the outcome. And not be so quick to use or agree with the "land mine", or "ticking time bomb" comments.
As I understand it: your choice of dog breed has to be legally registered in a lot of states, and is highly frowned upon in some; due to its ability to revert to its "natural" self. And, in that case, it would consider itself the "Alpha" under such circumstances.
Again, no offense. I think the wolf breed dogs are very interesting. But they are amongst more than a dozen others in this country; banned by insurance, banned by cities, and in the event it harms someone, the owner is held totally liable.
It's not just a "nurture" thing...certain breeds are bred for their natural traits. That's why you don't see English Bulldogs in a K-9 unit, Labradors guarding a junk yard etc...
Yes, 75% of the assholes that show up to our clinic that let their dog jump out of their truck without a leash are pit owners (adding to the "wAy ThEy'Re RaIsEd" argument), but a wild Dachshund isn't going to cause an adult human to need more than a stitch or two.
No...You got the breed because you wanted the traits associated with it...You should be 100% accountable for any damages and deaths as if you had committed the attack yourself.
I'm all about the freedom to own what you want, but the accountability comes with it.
Stray pits, Pyrenees etc... that come onto my ranch get the coyote treatment, no questions asked.
Yes, 75% of the assholes that show up to our clinic that let their dog jump out of their truck without a leash are pit owners (adding to the "wAy ThEy'Re RaIsEd" argument), but a wild Dachshund isn't going to cause an adult human to need more than a stitch or two.
No...You got the breed because you wanted the traits associated with it...You should be 100% accountable for any damages and deaths as if you had committed the attack yourself.
I'm all about the freedom to own what you want, but the accountability comes with it.
Stray pits, Pyrenees etc... that come onto my ranch get the coyote treatment, no questions asked.
This is my pitt, ^^^^^^^^^^^ my wife rescused here from the pound. She would die protecting my wife, my wife means everything to her. Nursed her, brought back from homelessness, skin and bones. I guess there will always be some good and some bad. You would not know half of what is going on in the world if not for the media. Pitt bulls might just be an object of the press, and we all know how the media is.
You can set a gun down and it won't randomly go off on its own.
If you're asking if I believe in equivalent charges for a negligent discharge death and owning a dog that mauls someone to death...yes.
Pure truth here!
I had a big chocolate lab, smart, great hunter, anyone who the met the dog loved him, he had that much character. If my garage door was open, he was in the front yard, laying around, greeting passersby, he never left except once to raid a BBQ a couple houses down. Anyone was welcome at our home,
Except the UPS truck, and it came way too often. Same driver for 7-8 yrs just said Hi Oscar and they were pals, any other driver w/o history here stepped off that truck, total chaos!
I wanted to think he wouldn't bite, but he had a big bark and a stance I wasn't comfy with. UPS trucks make a lot of noise, so I was usually there, but if I mowed, he was inside.
I am not going to say it is the owner, but way too many known aggressive breeds of dogs are owned as status type bullshit, wrong combo. I'll go out on a limb here and say over 80% of the pit bulls in our county shelter, and again, account for 80% of the total number of dogs there, are there after their owners paid a couple vet bills.
Both need to be secured. Both are the responsibility of the owner. I don’t believe in letting “pets” free roam.
Don’t worry about my fucking dog. You are starting to sound like a liberal. Just lump everybody and everything together.Apparently we’re just supposed to ignore statistics because some of y’all put birthday hats on your pitbulls…
GTFO
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Good job.
don't let facts upset your feelings. and i'm the liberal huh?
come back when you aren't super triggered
Yep you hear and read shit over and over and soon you’ll believe it.is this even serious?
got it, mainstream media is campaigning against pitbulls. The statistics are made up because they hurt your feelings.
My buddy has 2 of them. Whenever I'm over I keep an eye on them. He gets pissed off when stories / people report another attack. I'm sorry but I just don't hear numerous stories of attacks by Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Crocker Spaniels, Alaskan Huskies, etc.
I've never seen them aggressive but like others said, that may just be waiting underneath for the right moment.
For the record, i could give a shit less what dogs people keep in their trailers. But to act like there isn't an issue with the breed because "My PiTtY iS tHe SwEeTeSt ThInG eVeR" is just real fucking retarded. I am 100% for people being held criminally liable for their actions. Being stupid is not an excuse for being careless for a dog that is dangerous, despite what individual anecdotes are being presented. Statistically, they are the most dangerous and most likely to attack dog breed.
I actually do sort of think they’re like a gun. They can be great in the hands of a responsible owner, bad to worse in the hands of a shitbag. They’re like the really crappy 1911 with a shitty cast sear of the dog world. If something snaps, they can go off.
23 million known illegals enter the country unable to get jobs or id bet they get really hungry here puppy puppy .
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all meat taste good when grilled , all meat .
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Exactly, and how am I supposed to quickly discern if the owner walking his pitbull towards me and my dogs down the street is a responsible owner? I'm not. I'm going to assume he's like the vast majority of pet owners and hasn't taken the time to train or do any sort of behavioral conditioning on that dog. So I have statistics to go on. And statistically that pitbull is far more likely to attack and seriously injure, or kill, me or my dogs than the irresponsible owner of a golden retriever.
Look, I get what a lot of people here are saying. Admittedly, I was just being a smart ass eariler, but this whole convo is just getting old for me.
Not all "pits" are the same. There are "game dogs", pitbulls, staffordshire terriers, American pitbull terriers, bullies, and a whole lot of mutts with blocky heads. A game dog in the wrong hands is a disaster in the making. A bully in the wrong hands is a couch potato.
I took a couple screen shots of my local shelter. See a trend? These dogs get the short end of the stick in life more so than any other dog. That's part of the statistics.
A solution would be to make it a felony to breed them without some sort of expensive license. I'm generally against regulating things like that, but the backyard breeding and abuse has to stop. We dont need more pitbulls, we need WAY less of them. Also, allowing any Joe blow to walk into a shelter and put one of these abused and or neglected dogs into a home has consequences. The shelters just want the dogs out of the shelter. They don't do enough vetting to make sure they end up in a good home with a qualified owner. Neither do any of these ghetto breeders.
The dog I got last week cost $5, no questions asked other than if I had been found guilty of any animal abuse charges. Walked out of there the same day. Took 30 mins. What bad could happen???
As far as the statistics, do some research on who compiles the data. For instances, the site and data everyone seems to reference the most comes from dogbites.org, which was started by a woman who was attacked by a pitbull. No bias there... Also, any mutt that has a blocky head and short fur gets classified as a pitbull, even though most are generally ghetto bred mutts. No papers are ever checked. If it looks like a pitbull it is. Whether purebred or not. Not saying these dogs aren't responsible for most of the attacks, but are they really pitbulls or just ghetto mutts? And if we are talking statistics, look at the temperament tests done on dogs. Pitbulls generally score very well. Above many other common dog breeds. And if we are including all dogs considered to be a pitbull just by looks, they have the highest population too.
ATTS Breed Statistics
as of January 2023 Page 1: Afghan Hound - Belgian Malinois Breed Name Tested Passed Failed Percent AFGHAN HOUND 167 122 45 73.1% AIREDALE TERRIER 110 86 24 78.2% AKBASH DOG 18 16 2 88.9% AKITA 622 489 133 78.6% ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG 12 9
atts.org
What's the point though? Everyone has their mind made up already and it's highly unlikely that anything is going to change on either side of this argument. Unfortunately there's a lot of goods dogs being euthanized and suffering and people getting hurt in the meantime.
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No offense taken yore very polite.
I'm completely comfortable with landmine and timebomb. Not because Im not open minded but because I've seen too many bad outcomes. See many of the posts above. It can happen with any breed but look at the statistics.
And absolutely, wolfdogs are a massive liability I didnt know about when I got mine. I might nothave gotten them, or at least would have been better prepared, mine was a learn as you go adventure and they can be painful and expensive. The reason shes alive today is because I KNOW she would never harm a person. Squirrels, Beware!
Nikita got out and mauled a local dog (I brought it up on here a couple years back trying to rehome her) and it cost me $1800 and a warning that if it happened again they would put her down.
Apparently we’re just supposed to ignore statistics because some of y’all put birthday hats on your pitbulls…
GTFO
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A good chunk of the issue IS the stigma around pitbull breeds. That is to say, they tend to attract a certain type of owner who wants them for their reputation. So some methhead or wannabe gangbanger gets a pitbull and encourages aggressive behavior, we shouldn't be surprised when that is what they get. As someone who fosters and has a house full of rescues, I would be all for requiring a permit to own a dog, or cat. Doesn't cost, but you forfeit that permit if you surrender your pet at a shelter, or don't prove continual care and ownership through the yearly recommended vet checkups. The cat problem in shelters is way worse than whatever pit problem there is. And for the record, I think aggressiveness and dangerousness are getting lumped in incorrectly here. Medium to small dogs are more aggressive breeds, in general, than any of the 70+ lb range dogs. They just aren't that dangerous when they do bite. Coming from someone who sees clients dogs day in and day out, small 10-20lb dogs are the worst in terms of behavior and aggressiveness, they just aren't dangerous so owners don't feel they need to train them whatsoever. I tell clients that I can train their dogs, but they can also untrain whatever i've done if they don't continue the training. 10 min a day is the absolute minimum in my opinion.
The statistics don’t lie. There’s a problem that can’t be ignored.
Are local animal shelter is full of them. I bet they make up over half the dogs they have for adoption.
The last two dog incidence I’ve had were both pits. I might add there the only two I’ve had in the last 40 years. One left me with a permanent scar on my hand, luckily the owner had the dog on a lease, the other time was when a pit tried to kill my rotti pup, the owner was there and yanked him off pretty quickly. I have no idea what triggered either dog.
Are local animal shelter is full of them. I bet they make up over half the dogs they have for adoption.
The last two dog incidence I’ve had were both pits. I might add there the only two I’ve had in the last 40 years. One left me with a permanent scar on my hand, luckily the owner had the dog on a lease, the other time was when a pit tried to kill my rotti pup, the owner was there and yanked him off pretty quickly. I have no idea what triggered either dog.
Those little pieces of shit are the worst dog you’ll come across and that is almost entirely because their stupid owners.
They do not however have the capability for seriously injuring or killing people.
Tell you what, I'll think about your self-righteous spiel once you agree that the police should be held 100% responsible as having done the attacks themselves anytime their murder dogs injure, attack or maim others. So do you agree the police should be 100% accountable for any injuries and harm their unstable vicious monster dogs do to others, especially when the police use them to torture people with for no good reason. Otherwise STFU
I'm confused......If I own a 6.5 creedmoor, but lack a man bun, am I a pitt fan or not?
Of course your stupid type would want the government to oppress your fellow citizens because you are all hyped up about whatever B.S. bee got in your bonnet about some stupid thing or other.
I am a bit lost how this became a government policing thread.
They said it couldn't be done, but it be done.
They said it couldn't be done, but it be done.
One tries to bite your ass, the other tries to grab it. Not entirely sure which is which, however.They look harmless to me!
I hate everything LE has morphed into, but what are you referring too, specifically? I see them release on people running, trying to escape, maybe some bs resisting thing, but torture??? How do mean? What would the example be?
If they're anything like my dogs, they let a giant nasty shart rip in the car when the windows are up. That is likely the torture he is referring to.
I could be wrong, of course.
