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Any F1 racing fans?

Danny R is highly overrated IMO.

Completely agree with you. When he gets in his groove, he's really good, but we've only seen him succeed when he gets gifted positions from bad pit stops/wrecks.

I'm hoping the car will be better next year, because I like seeing him win. But it seems any time he does poorly he likes to blame his power units.

And since this is my first time in the thread, I don't really care for any one particular team, but I'm particularly rooting for Christian Horner, Zak Brown, Charles LeClerc, Alex Albon, and Carlos Sainz to do well. They all seem to be great personalities for the sport.
 
I'm still waiting for Sainz to show up consistently. I think he is better than Riccardo. If I had to rate drivers it would be Max, Hamiliton, Norris, Sainz, then Leclerc/Ricarrdo. I don't think Checo is in the top 5 even though he defended Hamilton brilliantly last race. As much as I wanted to see Sainz stay at McClaren and succeed with them I can't blame him for taking the shot at Scuderia. You don't say no to likely your one chance to drive for big Red. He shows spurts of brilliance when driving, but always seems to have a bad pitstop or other unfortunate event that knocks him down when he is on track to podium.
 
I'm still waiting for Sainz to show up consistently. I think he is better than Riccardo. If I had to rate drivers it would be Max, Hamiliton, Norris, Sainz, then Leclerc/Ricarrdo. I don't think Checo is in the top 5 even though he defended Hamilton brilliantly last race. As much as I wanted to see Sainz stay at McClaren and succeed with them I can't blame him for taking the shot at Scuderia. You don't say no to likely your one chance to drive for big Red. He shows spurts of brilliance when driving, but always seems to have a bad pitstop or other unfortunate event that knocks him down when he is on track to podium.
Agree Checo isn't in top 5. I'd have to say Sainz/LeClerc are damn near even. Though, I may put Alonso in there and for sure above Ricciardo. I'd say Gasly is also better than Ricciardo as is Russell. Never been a Ricciardo fan. Never seen anything other than late braking as his forte.
 
I don't dispute MSC's skills and talent, I even said that in my previous comment. I just think he was an ass.

I can't stand RIC. I've worked with many Aussies and many of their personalities are similar. Not all, but in-general.

VET is just dull. He was in the right place at the right time with RBR. I agree with above, he doesn't bring much to the team.

With all that said, these guys are amongst the very top tier of drivers, and those cars are a handful. I fully respect all of their abilities to push those things to the limit. I've driven in a sim and it's mind blowing how fast you have to go to stay on-track.

My issues are mostly around personalities, and how many abuse their success to promote some agenda. It's all part of the current politically-correct show.
 
I've driven in a sim and it's mind blowing how fast you have to go to stay on-track.
When I first started driving HPDE I didn't understand this concept and had some fear. After getting coaching from a current race car driver who has won championships in IMSA I understood that you must keep your speed up to keep traction up to the point you don't have traction any more. Friction circles are great trainers. How I long to race again (no, $$$$$$ right now). I can't stand HPDE anymore because even the fastest group is too slow.
 
I've been an F-1 fan since watching the movie Grand Prix back in 1967. I quit keeping up with it for several years while working too much, but I picked it back up around 2010. I've always liked the Red Bull team and became a fan of Vettel because he was in his prime and also worked with Infiniti in fine-tuning the drive-by-wire and sport suspension of the Q50S I drive. I still pull for him to do well, although he wasn't competitive in the last two years at Ferrari and didn't do as well as I expected with Aston-Martin this year - partly due to the way the rules impacted Aston-Martin making them less competitive.

RBR is still my favorite team (supplanting Ford years ago and later Ferrari).

Now Verstappen is my favorite driver and it was great to see him get the championship this year.

I also like Perez and enjoyed seeing him win in Mexico this year. I have followed Albon as well and thought he showed promise at RBR, but he came up short in a couple of tangles with Hamilton last year that cost him significant points.
 
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Sky News released a piece on YouTube discussing (after other things) whether crybaby might even go forward and be on the grid. Effectively comments along the lines of he was unfairly treated.

I have stated from the beginning that he would be out-staged by Russel and I wouldn't be surprised if that final result just gives him an excuse to bow out before that happens.

I think he's a decent driver, but I despise his personality.
 
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If you follow the sport, you probably don't need to be told, but in any case:

Lewis Hamilton will not decide whether to return to Formula 1 this season until he sees the results of an inquiry into the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

Can't stand this guy, what a bitch.

Obviously trying to apply pressure and influence to the inquiry for it to go his way. There's no way that kind of statement won't be weighing in the back of the heads of those involved in the inquiry.
 
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Why am I not surprised? That is low, even for Hamilton. He can just take his ball and go home. Any other driving league and he would be midpack without the advantage of Mercedes. There is no way he would have earned 7 world titles if he was driving for McClaren, Renault, Ferrari, or even Red Bull as Merc just dominated the constructors championship the last 8 years. That car was so dominate every year since 2013 it made all the Merc drivers competitive even if they weren't aggressive.
 
If you follow the sport, you probably don't need to be told, but in any case:

Lewis Hamilton will not decide whether to return to Formula 1 this season until he sees the results of an inquiry into the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
Why I am no fan of Lewis and I do like Max. The race was a total fuck up, the whole year was a total fuck up. Masi should be gone and rules should be applied consistently and evenly.
 
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Why I am no fan of Lewis and I do like Max. The race was a total fuck up, the whole year was a total fuck up. Masi should be gone and rules should be applied consistently and evenly.
I think Lewis is a “ Little Bitch” I hope he leaves the sport and becomes a “ dress designer “”. , sick of his “I am King”,,, move on Lewis!!!! No, fuck off,, and stay fuck off!!!
 
In my opinion (and we all know about opinions), Formula 1 is no longer a sport, it's a show.

Shows need token celebrities, because the majority are too dumb to recognize real talent.

The other major flaw is funneling the most funds into the top teams. Rich keep getting richer. I'm not anti-capitalist but that does nothing in a supposed sport but continually exaggerate a drastically imbalanced field.
 
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I am a fan of Hamilton the driver.....not necessarily Hamilton the person....
Which is strange because I used to like him as a person. His problem is that he has totally gone off the deep end in some areas. I think it all started once he started dating that Pussycat Dolls singer. Hamilton is a lot like Kaepernick. He was a normal, likeable and talented guy until the wrong woman screwed his head up and he was unable to self-correct.

Anyways....I think people are "over reading" into Hamilton's stance/statement.

The following are assumptions on my part, based off what I've read online:
1. He isn't saying that he isn't going to come back unless they take the title away from Max and give it to him. What happened wasn't Max's fault....Lewis has said that. Max was simply the beneficiary of, at best, a questionable application of the rules.

2. He is saying that what happened in the final race was BS and it cost him not only a title, but a record 8th title that would essentially establish him as the most successful F1 driver of all time. He is asking that the FIA review the incident and come up with equitable rules that prevents something like this from ever happening again. If the FIA decides their stance is "What's done is done. No further action.", then he might decide to ride off into the sunset and not return for 2022 (which I doubt by the way).

Try to put yourself in his shoes (the shiny ones with rhinestones on them....sorry....just had to...ha ha ha).
Here's a hypothetical that might bear a little witness with you:

If you were one of the best two or three biathlon shooters in the world.
You already have 8 gold medals, tying you with the dude from Norway. If you win this gold medal you would be the most decorated biathlete of all time. You are competing in the winter Olympics in the very last event. You are in a very comfortable lead over the up and coming new guy who is a stud (and will likely be the "next you" when you retire in the next couple of years). You are about to cruise to a record-breaking 9th gold medal as long as you don't royally screw up. The young stud is behind you in time and in shooting score for this final event. The gold is minutes from your grasp. You are not only representing yourself, but also your country....and let's face it....you stand to rake in some major money and fame if you win this 9th gold medal. Then, something 100% outside of your control happens to a fellow competitor (not even in contention for a medal, by the way) that causes the entire event to be paused. During this pause, the younger "future star" stud, who is your only real competition, is given a massive advantage by the Event Manager for the IOC (either by bias, ineptitude, or even simple mistake) that quite literally puts him ahead of you when the event resumes and you have no chance to catch him or outshoot him. You aren't at fault. The young newcomer isn't at fault. He is awesome at what he does, but the decision handed him the gold when he was a distant silver right before the incident happened. The decision literally handed the victory to 2nd place finisher and there were no more events/heats remaining in this Winter Olympics to "recover" from the damage. The Event Manager is who is really at fault, and by extension, the IOC who gave him the authority is at fault.

How would you feel?

Upset? Betrayed? Confused?
Wouldn't you want an explanation? Wouldn't you want to hear from the IOC what their plans are to ensure something like this never happens again, not only to you, but anyone else who comes after you? At the twilight of your career, would feel disillusioned? Maybe willing to toss in the towel?

I'm not always 100%, but I usually try to see things from someone else's perspective.....walk a mile in their shoes, so to speak.

I totally get what Hamilton is feeling.....doesn't mean I have to like him, or to hate Max.
Hamilton had major money, record books, and recognition on the line. He did everything he was supposed to do to be victorious in that race, but a stupid decision by a 3rd party pulled it from him.

You can call him a cry baby....maybe he is.
But perhaps his "crying" will cause the FIA to re-look at the event and rewrite some rules that prevents something like this from ever happening again. Next time, it could be your favorite driver who has a world championship pulled from his grasp. Would your stance still be the same?

Let's face it:
a. If this situation had occurred in the 8th race of the season, no one would care, because the decision wouldn't have altered anything.
b. If either Max or Lewis had an 8 or 9+ point lead heading into the final race, no one would care, because the decision wouldn't have altered anything.

People only care because this incident literally changed the outcome of the World Championship.


Just a little food for thought.
 
I am a fan of Hamilton the driver.....not necessarily Hamilton the person....
Which is strange because I used to like him as a person. His problem is that he has totally gone off the deep end in some areas. I think it all started once he started dating that Pussycat Dolls singer. Hamilton is a lot like Kaepernick. He was a normal, likeable and talented guy until the wrong woman screwed his head up and he was unable to self-correct.

Anyways....I think people are "over reading" into Hamilton's stance/statement.

The following are assumptions on my part, based off what I've read online:
1. He isn't saying that he isn't going to come back unless they take the title away from Max and give it to him. What happened wasn't Max's fault....Lewis has said that. Max was simply the beneficiary of, at best, a questionable application of the rules.

2. He is saying that what happened in the final race was BS and it cost him not only a title, but a record 8th title that would essentially establish him as the most successful F1 driver of all time. He is asking that the FIA review the incident and come up with equitable rules that prevents something like this from ever happening again. If the FIA decides their stance is "What's done is done. No further action.", then he might decide to ride off into the sunset and not return for 2022 (which I doubt by the way).

Try to put yourself in his shoes (the shiny ones with rhinestones on them....sorry....just had to...ha ha ha).
Here's a hypothetical that might bear a little witness with you:

If you were one of the best two or three biathlon shooters in the world.
You already have 8 gold medals, tying you with the dude from Norway. If you win this gold medal you would be the most decorated biathlete of all time. You are competing in the winter Olympics in the very last event. You are in a very comfortable lead over the up and coming new guy who is a stud (and will likely be the "next you" when you retire in the next couple of years). You are about to cruise to a record-breaking 9th gold medal as long as you don't royally screw up. The young stud is behind you in time and in shooting score for this final event. The gold is minutes from your grasp. You are not only representing yourself, but also your country....and let's face it....you stand to rake in some major money and fame if you win this 9th gold medal. Then, something 100% outside of your control happens to a fellow competitor (not even in contention for a medal, by the way) that causes the entire event to be paused. During this pause, the younger "future star" stud, who is your only real competition, is given a massive advantage by the Event Manager for the IOC (either by bias, ineptitude, or even simple mistake) that quite literally puts him ahead of you when the event resumes and you have no chance to catch him or outshoot him. You aren't at fault. The young newcomer isn't at fault. He is awesome at what he does, but the decision handed him the gold when he was a distant silver right before the incident happened. The decision literally handed the victory to 2nd place finisher and there were no more events/heats remaining in this Winter Olympics to "recover" from the damage. The Event Manager is who is really at fault, and by extension, the IOC who gave him the authority is at fault.

How would you feel?

Upset? Betrayed? Confused?
Wouldn't you want an explanation? Wouldn't you want to hear from the IOC what their plans are to ensure something like this never happens again, not only to you, but anyone else who comes after you? At the twilight of your career, would feel disillusioned? Maybe willing to toss in the towel?

I'm not always 100%, but I usually try to see things from someone else's perspective.....walk a mile in their shoes, so to speak.

I totally get what Hamilton is feeling.....doesn't mean I have to like him, or to hate Max.
Hamilton had major money, record books, and recognition on the line. He did everything he was supposed to do to be victorious in that race, but a stupid decision by a 3rd party pulled it from him.

You can call him a cry baby....maybe he is.
But perhaps his "crying" will cause the FIA to re-look at the event and rewrite some rules that prevents something like this from ever happening again. Next time, it could be your favorite driver who has a world championship pulled from his grasp. Would your stance still be the same?

Let's face it:
a. If this situation had occurred in the 8th race of the season, no one would care, because the decision wouldn't have altered anything.
b. If either Max or Lewis had an 8 or 9+ point lead heading into the final race, no one would care, because the decision wouldn't have altered anything.

People only care because this incident literally changed the outcome of the World Championship.


Just a little food for thought.
Ok,
I understand your reasoning... a lot of ifs there to consider. Lewis has cried a lot in his career so and so is driving dangerous, so and so did not yield...etc. Every driver on the track is not wrong, they are not out to harm Lewis... If the table would have been changed whereas Hamilton won and Max lost, would all this crying or bitching about the rules be happening?? Don't know. {shit, I used the if word} When Hamilton wins his 8th Championship next year, good for him!!! Let's move on to the next gen cars and may the best man or women win!!
I will be watching if still around this earth and wishing Good Luck to all the drivers!!!! Safe Day to all!!
 
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I am a fan of Hamilton the driver.....not necessarily Hamilton the person....

I missed your post, and it's well thought out and stated.

I am admittedly very much biased because I despise the "show" and his personal politics, but I can see his point of view as you stated. I can also relate to it for reasons I won't share.

So I dug this thread up (and found the post above) because I was wondering what folks thought about the Sprint races. Lack of funding may lead to them not happening this year.

I'm on the fence. Nice to have two "races" on a weekend, but for setting main-race grid order? You get taken out due to no fault of your own, and you're hosed.
 
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I am a fan of Hamilton the driver.....not necessarily Hamilton the person....
Which is strange because I used to like him as a person. His problem is that he has totally gone off the deep end in some areas. I think it all started once he started dating that Pussycat Dolls singer. Hamilton is a lot like Kaepernick. He was a normal, likeable and talented guy until the wrong woman screwed his head up and he was unable to self-correct...

Great post…. Actually too well reasoned to be in the Bear Pit! LOL

Your opening lines have been my thoughts for years; loved him when he started out, but then he got woke and went off the deep end. And then decided to start tunneling into the wokeness after hitting bottom.

He needs to lose to force him into a situation where he can get his head screwed back on straight, but he’s surrounded by an echo chamber, and insulated from reality by a lot of people making a lot of money off his name, so little hope for that.
 
He needs to lose to force him into a situation where he can get his head screwed back on straight, but he’s surrounded by an echo chamber, and insulated from reality by a lot of people making a lot of money off his name, so little hope for that.

I think you are right. I just hope that he doesn't use this "loss" as a reason to get defensive and over-simplify the situation with cries of bias or racism or whatever. I don't think he would do that, but he has surprised me before.

I do hope that this "lights a fire" in him to push harder.
Hamilton at his 100% (without divided focus, which I feel he's had for the last 2 or 3 seasons), Max at his 100%, Russell in a Merc, Ferrari coming back online, Lando helping to resurrect McLaren, and Gasly continuing to out-drive his car could lead to an exciting 2022. I'm hopeful that the talent pool and the 2022 car changes will reinvigorate the sport. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but one can hope!
 
I missed your post, and it's well thought out and stated.

I am admittedly very much biased because I despise the "show" and his personal politics, but I can see his point of view as you stated. I can also relate to it for reasons I won't share.

So I dug this thread up (and found the post above) because I was wondering what folks thought about the Sprint races. Lack of funding may lead to them not happening this year.

I'm on the fence. Nice to have two "races" on a weekend, but for setting main-race grid order? You get taken out due to no fault of your own, and you're hosed.

short version: I like them. The increased risk vs. reward makes it a better show for the spectators.
 
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So I dug this thread up (and found the post above) because I was wondering what folks thought about the Sprint races. Lack of funding may lead to them not happening this year.

I'm on the fence. Nice to have two "races" on a weekend, but for setting main-race grid order? You get taken out due to no fault of your own, and you're hosed.
I happened to really like the Sprint races and hope they become a more common thing then twice a year. I would love to see 25% of the races having the grid determined by sprint races. High risk, high reward, but the monotony of the starting grid was always shaken up, especially in the mid and lower tier. It was almost formulamatic (is this even a word?) last year. Hamilton/Verstappen #1-2. Bottas #3. Toss up for 4-5-6-7 between Perez, Norris, Sainz, LeClerc and then the rest of pack. By incorporating the sprint we saw Williams, Alpha Tauri, Alpine fighting for better starting grid positions then a single lap pace.
 
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I'm on the fence. Nice to have two "races" on a weekend, but for setting main-race grid order? You get taken out due to no fault of your own, and you're hosed.
Every Grand Prix weekend I attended, between practice sessions and sports car and lessor formula races, there has been no lack of action on the track.

However, there is a lot of truth in your statement (get taken out due to no fault of your own and you’re hosed; ‘ADDED or even your own fault’) Backing up your statement, there is a lot to be said for having a spare car available and engine changes allowed. (Without penalty)

I am not sure how much money has been saved over the years by eliminating testing and make engines / transmissions last for “x”number of weekends/races/practice sessions/whatever. I don’t see the teams spending “less“ money, jsut putting it in other avenues. Point is, its Racing, not the “Mobile Economy Run.”

Perhaps, I am old fashioned or just plain Old, but I have seen nothing in recent years that has made the sport better (other than carbon fiber tubs, fuel cells and every other change that makes for driver safety. Never let anything I say imply that I don’t appreciate the safety improvements)

Don’t remember the Mobile Economy Run? that’s ok, I AM Old!

Mobile Economy Run
 
I would debate the "get taken out due to no fault of your own and you're hosed" only applies to Sprint races. That statement is just as true in P2, P3 or Qual 1,2,3. How many times did someone clip a barrier, blow a tire, or have contact in P3 or Q1,Q2 in that crowded field all fighting for a clean flying lap? If they had an incident whether their fault or another drivers they were out of Q and at back of grid or retired the car before the start of the race. If they damaged the car in P1,P2 and worked all night to swap the ICE, Transmission, they ended up taking a grid penalty. Just like in Qualifying, unsafe actions by another driver in Sprint can induce starting grid penalties from the Stewards.
 
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"Formula 1 has banned military air displays at Grands Prix on sustainability and environmental grounds."

The real future of Formula 1 as the people who run Formula 1 really want it to be

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Well, the bitch has resurfaced much to the acclaim of F1 and British media.

I really wish he'd used his little tantrum as the excuse to to bow out, but hope Russel can embarrass him into mid-season retirement. I wonder who could fill that seat and give Russel a challenge? 🤔
 
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I actually like watching F1 but I hate their woke, leftist bullshit and scheming. There rules literally change race to race and in this last case, they change lap to lap depending on who bribes and whines enough during the race. The field is dominated by two or three teams who spend billions upon billions to demonstrate that class warfare is alive and well.

They are doing bullshit like banning military displays to save the planet while every cunt in the paddock owns three private jets and the teams fly six chefs around the world to make sandwiches for the drivers. Each team has three to five semi-trucks of crap that they literally fly or ship to every continent on earth with not a fucking care for the massive carbon footprint of their traveling circus.

F1 is a perfect example of how the rich and powerful feel about the rest of the people on the planet. Rules for thee and none for me.

For all of Lewis Hamilton's woke, leftist BLM bullshit, he fled his socialist home country to avoid paying the high taxes he supports. So he proved he does not give a shit to help those "oppressed minorities" from the "ghetto" housing project he grew up in. If he believed a single word he has spoken in the last fifteen years, he would be paying his 80% income tax to the crown and loving it.

22 races in 20 countries with all their equipment, an average of 700 people per team, a 100 per team who travel for races along with a 100 logistics people who load and unload all the crap from all the teams on six jumbo jets and move it around the world in a cloud of pollution the size of a steel mill.

I've been watching this sport since I was a kid and it has always been the same. Pay the right price, win the right race. It is a elite version of professional wrestling only with fancy cars.
 
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Haas is back this year.

Haas 2022
My guess is that Gene leaves the sport after 2023. Simply put, they will continue to suck. They don't have an experienced driver among the lot. Sure, maybe Shuey Jr can drive; but can he develop. IMO, they'd have been smart getting Hulkenberg to help develop the car. Whilst maybe not a champ, Hulkenberg has shown he's very adaptable and that would help in development of the car. But, alas, Haas needs money, desperately and hence we get Nikita Megaspin.
 
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"Formula 1 has banned military air displays at Grands Prix on sustainability and environmental grounds."

Yeah, this really pisses me off. Like really? They pollute less than a full race, that's for sure. But, I'm not that concerned about pollution due to motorsports. It's not like they just dump their motor oil and fuel down the storm drain...sheesh.
 
Every Grand Prix weekend I attended, between practice sessions and sports car and lessor formula races, there has been no lack of action on the track.

However, there is a lot of truth in your statement (get taken out due to no fault of your own and you’re hosed; ‘ADDED or even your own fault’) Backing up your statement, there is a lot to be said for having a spare car available and engine changes allowed. (Without penalty)

I am not sure how much money has been saved over the years by eliminating testing and make engines / transmissions last for “x”number of weekends/races/practice sessions/whatever. I don’t see the teams spending “less“ money, jsut putting it in other avenues. Point is, its Racing, not the “Mobile Economy Run.”

Perhaps, I am old fashioned or just plain Old, but I have seen nothing in recent years that has made the sport better (other than carbon fiber tubs, fuel cells and every other change that makes for driver safety. Never let anything I say imply that I don’t appreciate the safety improvements)

Don’t remember the Mobile Economy Run? that’s ok, I AM Old!

Mobile Economy Run
I think damage caused by other folks, like what is IMO Crybaby running Max off at Silverstone, should not cause the team who was recipient of such action to have to take a penalty. For one, that'd add another dimension into passing and aggressiveness - wreck my car I get new engine and transmission, etc. We saw how well new engines worked for Merc. Night and day difference.

I'd also like to have the T-car back too and that the teams themselves get to choose the tire compounds.
 
I realize I am just wasting perfectly good electrons by writing this but here goes

Formula One as I would Like It.

Formula fixed for 5 years, with option to run 10 years with majority vote

Engines. Teams may choose
All normally aspirated, all running on alcohol based fuel (but no nitro methane)
A. V-8; 3 liter Max RPM 10,000
B. I-4; 1 liter, no other restrictions (except turbo or super charging)
An alternate choice
C. V-12; 2 liter, must use mechanical valve springs.
Engines may be changed as necessary
Engines are not homologated. May change as needed/wanted.

Chassis
one panel wing front and one rear limited size (prefer no wings)
No ground effects
ABS
Active handling.
Chassis tub must meet current crash requirements.
Instead of halo, full canopy. (Better vision, better protection)
For those who complain it is not an open cockpit, we can barely see the driver’s head now
Wheels, tires and compounds choice of team
Fueling I would like refueling as it adds another area of strategy, but current teams don’t want it

Spare car available
5 test sessions allowed per year, may be when and where at teams discretion

Here is the big one
Smaller teams may purchase vehicles from better funded teams.

As I said, a complete waste of valuable electrons.
Any thoughts
 
Any thoughts
One, which is based on F1 tracks being used for F1 speeds. Other series are pretty dull in comparison, because of the lack of downforce, use of ABS, etc.

Might as well start broadcasting carting.

I'm not dismissing your ideas/thoughts, I just think it would be a drastic downgrade in performance, and as much as I dislike the direction the sport is currently going, I'd probably lose all interest.
 
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>B. I-4; 1 liter, no other restrictions (except turbo or super charged).<

If you turn this into a F1 power source (800-1000hp) you’ll be THE man
 
During the interviews in today's RB18 release video, Max pretty much echo'd what I said just a couple of posts above regarding downforce/aero. It's the performance it brings in high speed corners that makes F1 what it is.

It's fun to watch on TV, mind-boggling when you're there in-person. I've also driven in a fairly accurate motion simulator and the speed you MUST maintain thru corners to have sufficient grip takes such a leap of faith. You can certainly tootle around like a family sedan, but to get anywhere near racing speed, you have to go way beyond what you would think is possible.

I think the sport would be much diminished without the aero.
 
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During the interviews in today's RB18 release video, Max pretty much echo'd what I said just a couple of posts above regarding downforce/aero. It's the performance it brings in high speed corners that makes F1 what it is.

It's fun to watch on TV, mind-boggling when you're there in-person. I've also driven in a fairly accurate motion simulator and the speed you MUST maintain thru corners to have sufficient grip takes such a leap of faith. You can certainly tootle around like a family sedan, but to get anywhere near racing speed, you have to go way beyond what you would think is possible.

I think the sport would be much diminished without the aero.
along those lines

they should incorporate active aero like the DRS, its "run by race control"

with in X feet of the car in front at X speed and the active aero is activated to keep some downforce for passing

then let them put big aero on cars so the are pulling 5 g's in the turns...thats formula 1

the only reason top speed is even looked at is for race strat

no one cares if a F1 car tops out at 200 or 250

insane braking distance and left right transitions that are mind boggling are what the series is about
 
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During the interviews in today's RB18 release video, Max pretty much echo'd what I said just a couple of posts above regarding downforce/aero. It's the performance it brings in high speed corners that makes F1 what it is.

It's fun to watch on TV, mind-boggling when you're there in-person. I've also driven in a fairly accurate motion simulator and the speed you MUST maintain thru corners to have sufficient grip takes such a leap of faith. You can certainly tootle around like a family sedan, but to get anywhere near racing speed, you have to go way beyond what you would think is possible.

I think the sport would be much diminished without the aero.
I haven't see the RB18 video yet; but aero IS Formula 1. Like it or not. Otherwise we could just do Formula Mazda or something. Actually I think F-1 SHOULD be aero, engines, etc. Every year they make it more "level" yet there is always one or two dominant teams and their always will be. It's capitalism vs communism basically. Somebody will always be better than somebody else...that's life...Darwin...nature...whatever you want to call it. I'd be happy if we'd just bring back pre-2014 engines, some "free for all" tire choices, and allow more configurations - sort of like ALMS was with Prototype 1 and 2.
 
along those lines

they should incorporate active aero like the DRS, its "run by race control"

with in X feet of the car in front at X speed and the active aero is activated to keep some downforce for passing

then let them put big aero on cars so the are pulling 5 g's in the turns...thats formula 1

the only reason top speed is even looked at is for race strat

no one cares if a F1 car tops out at 200 or 250

insane braking distance and left right transitions that are mind boggling are what the series is about
I'd also add insane acceleration. Basically the rate of change in the x-y axis is where F-1 rules the roost. Agree, 200 or 220 or 250, nobody cares, so long as they drag down the straights, break at 4 g (or whatever it is) from the turn at say 180-200, turn in, hit apex at 5 g, then track out. I seriously cannot imagine the condition these guys are in. Anybody thinking they are not athletes is stupid. Have the hand-eye coordination of a Top 3 tennis player, stamina of marathon runner, getting "punished" like a hockey player or lineman with G-forces - unreal.

It's going to be interesting to see the REAL Red Bull car in Barcelona. Because that's not it...lol. At least nobody thinks so.
 
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I haven't see the RB18 video yet; but aero IS Formula 1. Like it or not. Otherwise we could just do Formula Mazda or something. Actually I think F-1 SHOULD be aero, engines, etc. Every year they make it more "level" yet there is always one or two dominant teams and their always will be. It's capitalism vs communism basically. Somebody will always be better than somebody else...that's life...Darwin...nature...whatever you want to call it. I'd be happy if we'd just bring back pre-2014 engines, some "free for all" tire choices, and allow more configurations - sort of like ALMS was with Prototype 1 and 2.
Aero is F1... but, aero has pretty much made the racing boring. You can't pass because when you get withing a few car lengths, you lose air on the front wing... welcome to oversteer. Aero needs to be balanced with the other aspects of the car to make the racing interesting.

I've said this before, but what F1 needs is to get back to where the cars were developed throughout the entire season. As it currently stands, if the car or engine are behind the curve with respect to any other car, your season is toast. Merc has been out engineering all other teams, and basically riding out the season on top of the field.

Here are my 'fixes':

1. Drastically reduce the aero. By a lot... as much as 90%. But, what remains can have active components.
2. Bring back active suspension. The advance in mechanical grip will offset the loss of aero.
3. Bring back in season testing and development. Make Fridays an optional test day at every track. But the testing must be done in public.
4. Engine and gearbox swaps are allowed prior to the race weekend, but once Saturday practice starts, that engine and gearbox must be used for all sessions plus the race.
5. No more stupid grid spot penalties for an engine or gearbox swap due to a mechanical failure. The replacement units must be of an identical spec to the failed units.
6. Limited to 4 engine/gearbox combinations per season, but rebuilds are allowed.
7. Lose the 'spec' engines. If a team wants to run a V8, V6... or an I4? Awesome. The 100L of fuel allowed per race remains.
8. Refueling is back! Be like CART back in the day - swap from gasoline to alcohol. It's green!
9. No more post race stewards decisions. I *hate* when the race results are changed post race.
10. Lose Monaco. It's a boring race, and it's all over at the end of qualifying.

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McClaren and Aston Martin dropped their 2022 cars today. I am looking forward to seeing what Norris can do in the new MCL36. I am interested in seeing Haas' car since they put so much time and effort into it and neglected the '21 car.
 
McClaren and Aston Martin dropped their 2022 cars today. I am looking forward to seeing what Norris can do in the new MCL36. I am interested in seeing Haas' car since they put so much time and effort into it and neglected the '21 car.
You'll certainly be able to see the MCL36. :).

I'm going to take a shot at this. McLaren will be battling for #2 or #3. Seidel came from Porsche. Porsche is still probably the top car engineering firm in the world and they know how to build race cars. Does anybody really think the Audi was an Audi and had no Porsche help in their LeMans cars? He made an instant impact when he joined McLaren.

What the guy from Red Bull brings to Aston will likely be seen at years end or next year.
 
I'd also add insane acceleration. Basically the rate of change in the x-y axis is where F-1 rules the roost. Agree, 200 or 220 or 250, nobody cares, so long as they drag down the straights, break at 4 g (or whatever it is) from the turn at say 180-200, turn in, hit apex at 5 g, then track out. I seriously cannot imagine the condition these guys are in. Anybody thinking they are not athletes is stupid. Have the hand-eye coordination of a Top 3 tennis player, stamina of marathon runner, getting "punished" like a hockey player or lineman with G-forces - unreal.

It's going to be interesting to see the REAL Red Bull car in Barcelona. Because that's not it...lol. At least nobody thinks so.
More deceleration …. Many cars that come close to or even surpass F1 cars accelerating, but nothing can hang with them in the corners or out brake them.
 
I think McLaren and Ferrari will be battling for #3. RB and Merc will still be too dogs. And yes, that mango orange will be hard to miss.
I’d think so but big rule changes cause shake ups

I’ve seen 2 new F1 cars debuts and tne body work looks very different.

Just by looks alone teams are thinking differently