So are you one of the many folks that keeps coming on here and trying to egg folks on to "do something" and then berating them when you discover, much to your dismay, most everyone on here is, level headed, peace loving, reasonable folks who understand violence is not a path anyone wise chooses to travel unless they have no choice?
It seems you found out the hard way that the folks on this website actually know the law pretty well, know precedent pretty, well are up to date on current agency interpretations of the law, understand how courts and LE work.
So now you want to call out people as cowards for not engaging in some violent shootout with federal agents over minor matters?
I have found that people on here know forums pretty well. The law, well that's not what you have demonstrated. Clearly you don't know this but every link you keep referring to and video you keep posting is referring to traps that are shipped as a kit, with obvious baffles that make it a silencer. As some other douche posted, that other
site that sells all of the "SCARY" products that must be a bait ATF site, even though has been around for a long time. So the ATF is pretty cunning to go create a site that has been online for over a decade selling products to solicit morons for entrapment. By the way, thanks for that link. They have some
cool stuff I had not seen.
The fact that you and your ghost profile keep saying that the ATF can change their mind and LEGALLY make you give back a silencer that has been registered shows just how ignorant you are, case and point an auto sear built in the pre-80's are still sold today, granted for a huge amount of money. Once the ATF has registered a firearm/silencer or other items, they cannot just say, oh we change our mind.
And to the douche(
@Steventhegreat) that brought up the auto sear. That site stipulates how a product MUST be used to be legal. So would an ATF agency approve such a device, why not?
"MUST AGREE TO ALL CONDITIONS AND CERTIFY TO PURCHASE *Select at least 8 I am At Least 21 Years Old I already own a legally registered and serialized ATF full auto sear that is in need of repair or that I am purchasing this part for conversational and novelty purpose only. I understand that this part is only legal in its current form and any modifications could deem the item illegal. I certify that I have no intentions to make or produce and agree not to produce an illegal item from this part. I FULLY AND COMPLETELY RELEASE Prepper's Discount Inc and it's owners and employees OF ANY, ALL AND EVERY POSSIBLE RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FINANCIALLY WHEN I PURCHASE THIS ITEM. I certify that I have completely and entirely read as well as fully understand and comprehend the provided ATF determination letter provided on this website in the product description pictures. I certify and agree that I freely and 100% willingly admit to all the above statements that I have checked off above before I make a purchase of the Auto Sear Repair Jig I waive any and all rights and claims against ANYONE regarding this product if purchased by me."
Its not illegal until someone modifies it. (BY LAW) Anyone else remember Biden was going to make 80% a thing of the past? WOW, there must be 6 pages of new ATF bait
sites, or maybe, because they are not YET deemed illegal these companies are still making and selling them?
Correct me if I am wrong, by posting more links to other forums that have no legal bearing does not make you legally versed, An individual is responsible for their own actions and intent of their purchases. For example, I do not intend to buy or own a solvent trap for the purpose of illegally building a silencer, my intent which was clearly stated on numerous occasions was to legally license a silencer I like the looks of. Thus, I asked the question about a hundred and 4 times now, had anyone done it or is there a FFL that will do it, to which I found my answer. And yet, you all keep rehashing and trying to "EDUCATE" me with your internet law degrees, what is legal and what is not. Read the fucking ATF rule book. Just because they decide they don't like something, they cannot shut it down without changing the law. And ALL your links are to people talking about the illegal crap the Chinese are selling, under the name "Solvent Trap". Cases of point, bump stocks were written in to LAW by Trump, challenged, lost, denied a hearing by the supreme court... thus, the law stands. Rare breed, deemed illegal by the ATF, challenged and pending a hearing by the Supreme court. If denied, the "law" has been written. A solvent trap has no cases pending and are still sold everywhere. Just look at all the Chinese links when you google it or facebook search for it. And what do those have that the ATF hates? Illegal baffles that are almost identical to the baffles of a suppressor. But please continue to educate me. Or stop posting on the thread and let it die so we can stop wasting time debating with our internet law degrees.
"So now you want to call out people as cowards for not engaging in some violent shootout with federal agents over minor matters?"
Who the hell brought up violence? The dude said they showed up and said we may come back with a search warrant unless you sign this. Now, clearly if they are showing up, then there was something illegal with what he had purchased. So yeah, by all means if you have a SOLVENT TRAP that happens to make your gun quiet because all the holes in the baffles, well my friend, you bought an illegal suppressor, probably a bad idea. This is not the OK Corral here. Good lord, don't start opening fire on the ATF that is not right! But if the piece of metal they have is being used to, you know, collect solvent for the purpose of filtering and reusing a chemical that is harmful to people and expensive, well. Then why are you panicking. Did you shoot bullets through your "solvent trap"? You internet lawyers amaze me.
This thread would have been closed a long time ago, if you all would have gotten off you high horses and said:
Has anyone been successful in registering a Solvent Trap tube as a silencer through a form 1?
"nope, I have never tried" or "nope, never tried, but I heard the ATF is not approving form 1s, but I don't know for sure because I have not tried."
Does anyone know of an FFL that will register one?
"Nope, haven't tried" or "nope, never tried, but I heard the ATF is not approving form 1s, but I don't know for sure because I have not tried."
But instead you all ran with, insults and fear.
little'd me to death.
I am good. I have found my FFL.