Anyone running a 20" gas operated 260?

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Sergeant
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I'm running a 20 inch Ma-Ten in 260, and wondering about loads and velocities others are getting.

I'm running 39.5 Varget and a 120 amax in black hills match brass, but only getting around 2800 fps. 40 grains = pressure signs.

Is anyone out there loading the 120 amax and getting more speed?

Is anyone out there getting the 140's up to 2800?

Is anyone running H4350?
 
I may not be a ton of help to you but I'm running a 20" 6.5cm.

With the factor 140 amax load from hornadyim getting 2670 fps. My handload with 42 grs of h4350 is getting 2640 fps.

1000yds is about 9.5 mils for me.
 
Thanks for the reply, it is definately helpful. 260 rem and 6.5 are very very close, and your post tells me I don't want to screw around with the 140's. They are a lot better for long range, but my rifle is set up for mid-range coyote killing. I'm just a little disappointed with the 2800, I would really like to find a way to throw the 120's above 2900 out of this gun.
 
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Try the 4350. I have a GAP10 20" 6.5cm and am getting 2733 with factory 140 amax and 2824 with factory 120 amax. I have not worked up a load yet, but I suspect I can squeak out a little more.
 
Thanks for the reply, it is definately helpful. 260 rem and 6.5 are very very close, and your post tells me I don't want to screw around with the 140's. They are a lot better for long range, but my rifle is set up for mid-range coyote killing. I'm just a little disappointed with the 2800, I would really like to find a way to throw the 120's above 2900 out of this gun.

FWIW, my load is not hot at all. I haven't loaded any hotter but I'm not seeing any pressure signs at 42gr. If I was you I would at least give the heavier bullets a try before totally ruling them out.
 
I have a 22" .260 Rem built by GA Precision with a Bartlein barrel, and it's a laser. I push the Berger 130gr VLD to 2850fps with H4350, but that within 50fps of max from a 24" bolt gun, so I can't recommend pushing there without starting lower. I also found that Winchester 7mm-08 brass works great for .260 Rem, with a simple full-length re-size. I also use Lapua .260 Rem brass, which has a different case volume, so you need to work up separately when switching brass for sure.

I have pushed the 123gr Scenar to 2960fps as well, using N540, but I feared torching the devil out of my throat, so I stepped away from that powder and went to Hodgdon's H4350. If you look at Varget in the book, it is not an ideal powder for .260 Rem and 120gr class bullets. It's also one of the lower velocity producing powders for 100gr class pills. Book has it maxed out at 39-40gr with 2877fps the fastest from a 24" bolt gun, so your data of 39.5gr at 2800fps is bolt gun velocity. If you look at all the data from Nosler, Hornady, Sierra, & Hodgdon's, you are getting all you can from Varget. To push 120gr A-MAX (a bullet made obsolete by the 123gr A-MAX with its .510 G1 BC), I would look at other powders like RL19, IMR4350, H414, W760, H380, IMR-4064, IMR4831, and H4350.

The bullet to beat in the gas-operated .260 Rem for long-range is the 130gr VLD, because you can get enough velocity to beat the slightly higher BC's of the 140's. Book values for the 142gr SMK is maxed at 2700fps in a 24" bolt gun, and I can safely get that with RL17 in my 22" gas gun, but the trajectory of the 130gr VLD at 2800fps + will beat the 142gr SMK at 2700fps, and will have less drift at 1000yds.

142gr SMK at Sea Level 67F G1 BC: .580 100yd Zero 2.5" Scope Height
Code:
       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift
      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)       (MILS)         (sec)         (MILS)
          0      2700        2298           0.00         0.0000         0.00
        100      2545        2042          -0.00         0.1144        -0.16
        200      2396        1809          -0.40         0.2359        -0.34
        300      2251        1598          -1.09         0.3651        -0.52
        400      2112        1406          -1.92         0.5027        -0.71
        500      1978        1233          -2.85         0.6494        -0.92
        600      1849        1078          -3.88         0.8063        -1.14
        700      1726         939          -5.02         0.9743        -1.37
        800      1610         817          -6.28         1.1543        -1.62
        900      1500         710          -7.67         1.3474        -1.89
       [B]1000      1400         618          -9.22         1.5545        -2.17[/B]

130gr VLD, same conditions:
Code:
       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift
      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)       (MILS)         (sec)         (MILS)
          0      2850        2345           0.00         0.0000         0.00
        100      2686        2082          -0.00         0.1084        -0.16
        200      2526        1842          -0.32         0.2236        -0.32
        300      2373        1625          -0.94         0.3461        -0.50
        400      2224        1428          -1.67         0.4767        -0.68
        500      2081        1250          -2.50         0.6161        -0.88
        600      1944        1090          -3.43         0.7653        -1.09
        700      1810         946          -4.46         0.9252        -1.32
        800      1682         816          -5.60         1.0971        -1.56
        900      1557         700          -6.86         1.2825        -1.82
[B]       1000      1437         596          -8.28         1.4831        -2.11[/B]

If you use ladder-testing with the powder you're using, you will find some nice accuracy nodes, from which you can conduct even more ladders with seating depths, but I haven't even played with seating depths because I'm sub-MOA at 1000yds with one of my first loads of H4350 and the 130gr VLD.
 
I am running a 20" Lilja barrel in my Maten. I have been loading the 120 and 140 SMK's with either RE19 or 4831.

I do want to try the 130 VLD. How is your accuracy with the VLD with the long jump in the gas gun? My experience with the VLD's in .30 has not been good in my gas gun. There were not nearly as accurate as the SMK or A-Max. The Hybrid was a huge improvement. Are you seating them to 2.80 mag length? Thanks.
 
Thank you everyone for the info, those were some great posts. It sounds like I'm barking up the wrong tree with Varget. I had that feeling to begin with, but I wanted to try it before I added another powder to the line up. I'm a huge believer in the Hogden Extreme line, so only powders in that line interest me at this time.

Also, I realize the 120 AMAX is not the best 6.5 bullet ballistically, but I have 300+ of them to get rid of, and they are awesome performers on coyotes.