Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

[Mag 300]

could you tell me the plus and or minus .
I was going to give them a try and my range is 600 yd max?
Thanks
Bill

 

[Victor N TN]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Bill,

You won't see that much difference for paper punching. Either the 168 or 175 will shoot 600 and do well. About 750 is where the 168s leave me from my rifle.

If you want to work up a load, my best load with the 190 SMK was 41.5 grains of IMR 4895. That's ballpark of 2510 fps. That data was shot in October. I don't remember the temperature. But I was wearing a light jacket. There is somewhat of a temperature curve with that powder.

 

[Unsichtbar]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Sure they work fine for know distance but for unknown distance past 600 yd you have to be very exact in range estimation.

Your question is about 600 yds IMO for me the extra recoil impulse is a factor requiring position and follow thru to be more precise for 20 rd shot strings shot at F class type target 1/2 x ring, its a trade off. If the extra recoil does not bother you they shoot well, for me something in 170gr range work better or to drive the 190 at less than max velocity.

 

[Mag 300]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Thanks I appreciate the info just trying new loads
Bill

 

[ChrisGarrett]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unsichtbar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure they work fine for know distance but for unknown distance past 600 yd you have to be very exact in range estimation.

Your question is about 600 yds IMO for me the extra recoil impulse is a factor requiring position and follow thru to be more precise for 20 rd shot strings shot at F class type target 1/2 x ring, its a trade off. If the extra recoil does not bother you they shoot well, for me something in 170gr range work better or to drive the 190 at less than max velocity. </div></div>

I shot a box through my Savage and it likes them a lot. Problem is, is what the above fellow states. They do thump a bit more, but the 190 SMK's BC is pretty good. You'll want a 1:10" probably, so don't forget that.

Also, being a heavier bullet, they cost more, although I just paid $40.00/bx on sale for 155 Scenars, thru Midway which in my book, makes them 'not cheap'.

If you can get the 190s for cheaper and you don't mind the added recoil AND if they shoot well in your gun, why not?

Chris

 

[Niles Coyote]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Try around 43.2g of varget w/ lapua brass, of course work up to that. Half the fun of reloading is trying new loads.

 

[Jerry m]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

For known ranges my 1-10 Kreigher loves the 190 SMK was 41.5 grains of IMR 4895, also. This barrel has always shot them better that anything else.

Good luck

Jerry

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

RL-15, RL-17 and N-550 with 190 MK work very well in my 1-11" twist Krieger, they move fast too.

 

[shadow4]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

The 190 SMK was the best bullet for the longer ranges that I shot through my 308w. I was pushing them 2550fps. The 190SMK's had the least amount of vertical at 1000yards than any other bullet I tried in .308w.

 

[terrell35744]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I use the lapua 185 out of my trg 22. Using lapua brass, wolf primers, 42.0-42.7 of IMR 4895 (depending on lot)and getting about 2585-2565 depending to temp. Works well out to 1100 yds and did me well at the Raton sporting rifle match netting me a 39 out of 60 for the first time shooting the match. I realy like the 185-190 bullets in the 308 they seem to work better past 600yds. The heavier bullets (= higher b.c.) do less "wierd" things pass 500-600 range. I dont see alot on neg. with them.

 

[Mag 300]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Jerry
Thanks just bought a Kreiger 10 twist


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jerry M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For known ranges my 1-10 Kreigher loves the 190 SMK was 41.5 grains of IMR 4895, also. This barrel has always shot them better that anything else.

Good luck

Jerry </div></div>

 

[MBrown]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I shoot 190 berger VLD's from a 1:12 twist hart barrel with good results. I use Lapua brass and 47.5grn of RL-17 @ 2710 fps in 85 degree weather.

 

[steppenwolf]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try around 43.2g of varget w/ lapua brass, of course work up to that. Half the fun of reloading is trying new loads.

</div></div>

Not to thread-jack this one, but I was looking for a Varget load using the PPU 190gn HPBTs.

I don't have any 190gn SMKs to compare them with, but was interested in what loaded <span style="font-weight: bold">COAL</span> guys are using with the 190gn pills. I have a Sav FP 10 and the 2.800" COAL that works w/ the 168gn HPs doesn't with the PPU 190gns due to length. Thanks!

 

[JRose]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I used to shoot 190VLD's, and now shoot 185's. I love the heavier pill and have no intentions of going back to 175's

 

[MBrown]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

My COAL is 2.905 w/ a 190 berger VLD.

 

[Enios]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

41.5 grains of AA2520 with the 190 SMK .010 off the lands with .020 neck tension with Nosler brass and 210M primer running right at 2600 fps out of my Savage 10 FCP with the 1 /10 twist 24" barrel are tighter at 200 than 100. Most 5 shot groups are around 1/2" or smaller, but haven't had a chance to try them any further.

 

[Suasponte]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Here is some of the info I have on 190's out of my Savage 10FP.

Hope it helps Bill.

Terry

 

[Niles Coyote]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steppenwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try around 43.2g of varget w/ lapua brass, of course work up to that. Half the fun of reloading is trying new loads.

</div></div>

Not to thread-jack this one, but I was looking for a Varget load using the PPU 190gn HPBTs.

I don't have any 190gn SMKs to compare them with, but was interested in what loaded <span style="font-weight: bold">COAL</span> guys are using with the 190gn pills. I have a Sav FP 10 and the 2.800" COAL that works w/ the 168gn HPs doesn't with the PPU 190gns due to length. Thanks! </div></div>

Cant say I know what a PPU is but I load 190 bergers VLD's .010 into the lands which is either 2.883 or 2.893 OAL, this is a custom tube and chamber

 

[pacomdiver]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

ppu is the wolf gold series ammo made in serbia

 

[Captain Moroni]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MBrown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot 190 berger VLD's from a 1:12 twist hart barrel with good results. I use Lapua brass and 47.5grn of RL-17 @ 2710 fps in 85 degree weather. </div></div>

Please tell me more about your set up here

 

[ChrisGarrett]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pacomdiver</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ppu is the wolf gold series ammo made in serbia </div></div>

I think it's Pivi Partisan. At least PPU cases are Pivi.

Chris

 

[deadlyswift]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I would like to know more about the setup also. 2710fps is really good with the 190s. I have shot ther 190smks. They shot good until I got past 500yrds. I shot them at 800yrds and they just wouldn't stay stablized. I was using varget powder and was only getting 2500fps a few would go just over 2500 but I think it was like 2520. I have seen better volcities in many cal. with the RL17. Did you have a custom reamer made for this barrel and add some extra free bore? Or is RL17 just that good. never shot any of the berger 190s? I'd just like to know the free bore you have in this barrel sounds like a good setup. With 2710fps that may stay subsoinc at 1000yrds? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MBrown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot 190 berger VLD's from a 1:12 twist hart barrel with good results. I use Lapua brass and 47.5grn of RL-17 @ 2710 fps in 85 degree weather. </div></div>

 

[MBrown]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I have a 26" barrel. It is throated for 175's, shorter than most factory rifles. I load .010" into the lands and ojive is 2.220" for my chamber. The 190 bergers shoot very good in my rifle all the way to 1000yds.

The RL-17 work good for the heavy's in 308. I got 2600fps with 210 berger vld. There is a thread in the range reports for RL-17 W /208 Amax's in 308 win.

 

[ChrisGarrett]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MBrown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shoot 190 berger VLD's from a 1:12 twist hart barrel with good results. I use Lapua brass and 47.5grn of RL-17 @ 2710 fps in 85 degree weather. </div></div>

This is out of a 308 or 30/06?

2710 seems a bit high, even for a longer barrel for the 308.

Were you blowing out your primer pockets at this velocity?

I shot them out of a 26" tube and I'm guessing that 2500 was where I was at.

Chris

 

[Blackswan]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

I own a battle pack of Hirtenberger Match 190 grainers - let me know if you want a few to compare - -

 

[pacomdiver]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

when the wolf gold series first came out, i bought some and it was headstamped ppu and it is marked on the back of the box "made in serbia".the newer wolf gold is stamped nny and still says "made in serbia" on the box. ill dig out some of my 223 match ammo from pivi and see what it says on the box

 

[Mag 300]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Terry
It helps a lot will load some up .
Thanks Bill

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suasponte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here is some of the info I have on 190's out of my Savage 10FP.

Hope it helps Bill.

Terry </div></div>

 

[MBrown]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Yes it in a 308win. It is close to a max load for my rifle but the brass is fine. I have fired the brass with this load 4-5 time so far.

RL-17 is good stuff for the heavy bullets, less pressure than RL-15 or Varget.

Mike

 

[Michael]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

43.6 of varget in a Hornady or winchester case with Fed 210 primers and an OAL of 2.835 in a 26 inch 1:12 barrel gets 2635fps at 70 degrees and 1100ASL, using 34.75 moa to 1000 yards.

Several of us use this load with identical results.
You can also use Re15 and get the same velocity and reasonable accuracy.

I'd like to see someone post Re17 charge/velocity/accuracy results, been curious about that powder.

 

[steppenwolf]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: suasponte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here is some of the info I have on 190's out of my Savage 10FP.

Hope it helps Bill.
Terry </div></div>

Terry: nice shooting and thanks for adding the info.

What loaded COAL did you have 190gn SMKs at? Thanks!

 

[steppenwolf]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steppenwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Try around 43.2g of varget w/ lapua brass, of course work up to that. Half the fun of reloading is trying new loads.

</div></div>

Not to thread-jack this one, but I was looking for a Varget load using the PPU 190gn HPBTs.

I don't have any 190gn SMKs to compare them with, but was interested in what loaded <span style="font-weight: bold">COAL</span> guys are using with the 190gn pills. I have a Sav FP 10 and the 2.800" COAL that works w/ the 168gn HPs doesn't with the PPU 190gns due to length. Thanks! </div></div>

Cant say I know what a PPU is but I load 190 bergers VLD's .010 into the lands which is either 2.883 or 2.893 OAL, this is a custom tube and chamber </div></div>

Guess I should've been a bit more clear on this. "<span style="font-weight: bold">PPU</span>" is short-hand for Privy Partisian (and PPU appears on the head stamp of the brass in Privy's ammo line-up).

They sell PPU bullets and brass separately as components, and a while back Graf & Sons had in stock PPU's 190gns, 168gn and, *I think*, 155gn HPBTs.

The price was great and I hadn't had the opportunity to play with any 190gn match-type pills, so I picked up about 500 of them (which came to me loaded in 100-rd bags).

Long story short, ... I started out at the 2.800 COAL but found the loaded rounds wouldn't chamber in my Savage FP 10. Obviously, loading them longer won't work. That COAL does work fine, however, for the 168gn & 155gn stuff that I've loaded, though these lighter bullets weren't PPU.

So I started seating the bullets deeper until I got to 2.740-45". Now every cartridge chambers fine. Just wanted to know how other guys were setting up their 190gn loads generally - and, in particular, whether anybody is or has loaded up the PPU 190gn HPBTs.

Thanks.

 

[Enios]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Enios</div><div class="ubbcode-body">41.5 grains of AA2520 with the 190 SMK .010 off the lands with .020 neck tension with Nosler brass and 210M primer running right at 2600 fps out of my Savage 10 FCP with the 1 /10 twist 24" barrel are tighter at 200 than 100. Most 5 shot groups are around 1/2" or smaller, but haven't had a chance to try them any further. </div></div>
Here's where I shot the load today at 175 yds in 10 to 15 winds at 48* I did drop .2 & .3 on the load and got better accuracy. Had them loaded for a while but I've been working with a Icon 243 for the last couple of months. All groups are 5 shots the bottom 2 were shot 10-20 and the top two 30-40 without cleaning. Ones out of the group on bottom were just plain choking on my part.

This is the rifle...

 

[4Rail_Gunner]

Re: Anyone shooting 190 gr out of 308?

Bill,

I've shot some 190 Hornadys to with good luck.
The only thing I noticed was the extra kick they had.
I didnt keep very good notes back then, but
190 Hornady bullet, win case, Reloader - 15 powder is what I shot.