AR choice

[-=boone=-]

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Trebek your reading comprehension skills suck. I was poking fun at your list. The sarcasm should have been picked up by the giant fucking smiley face I put after to sentence but apparently it eluded you. However you’re the one who wanted to be disrespectful. I can play that game as well. As for being 6'1'' 188 you’re not very big nor am I worried. As your reference to being a Marine, my family has plenty of them of them in it. Nor are we arguing caliber, and I shoot every weekend.

As for AR's I'll even play the game of letting you know my current rig, I really need your aproval after all...

BCM Upper Receiver
BCM BCG
Gunfighter Charging handle.
MI Iron Sights Rear/Front flip ups.
MI free float rail.
WOA 18" SPR BBL
A2 Flash
RRA Lower
Magpul Miad grip
Geissele SSA Trigger
AMD Recon mount
Super Sniper 3-9 FFP

 

[HH4]

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To the OP,
If you want something simple check out one of the LMT's that comes with that comes with the SOPMOD stock, LMT rear sight and standard trigger. Another good option would be Noveske, I own a couple of Noveske's they are high quality and very accurate for an AR. As far as piston AR's The POF is very well built and surprisingly accurate. You should probably try and check out as many different AR's as you can and figure out what works for you.

 

[glock1985]

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I have 5 AR's (4 that I built and a S&W M&P15). In the 4 that I have built, I have used multiple uppers and lowers (Armalite, POF, Noveske, VLTOR, Spikes, and Mega), and I only use Noveske barrels. For a SHTF AR I would choose a Noveske or Colt. I also suggest building it yourself, especially for a SHTF rifle. Building allows you to not only pick your own parts individually, but have an intimate knowledge of how they operate. If something goes wrong you will be better equipped to handle the situation.

For a step by step guide to the assembly of an AR, check out AR15.com, they have instructions, pics, and videos.

 

[johndoe]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I'm sorry to crap on this but there is a ton of bad advice in this thread.

LMT, Colt, Daniel Defense

The lack of anyone's advice to any of these three makers is proof this is the wrong site to ask about AR15's.

Here's my own analogy. AR15's are like hamburgers. Lots of businesses do them different ways, but they are not all created equal or with the same ingredients.

The M-4 chart was a good read thanks.

In other words the there is more than just a price difference when looking for an AR.



read the chart, decide for yourself.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p...amp;output=html </div></div>

 

[johngfoster]

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Then next AR I buy will probably be LMT. They make good stuff. The advice of building your own is very good advice. It is easy and often cheaper than buying a fully assembled rifle. You don't need many specialized tools, although I would recommend a clamshell upper receiver vice block and a good barrel nut wrench. Parts from BCM are quality and and affordable. If I were to not get an LMT, then others I'd look at would be Bravo Company (BCM), Daniels Defence (DD), Colt or Noveske (If I could get a good deal on them. These are a bit overpriced in my book, but they do make good stuff). I would also look long and hard at a mid-length gas system on a 16" barrel. Skip the M4 cut-outs unless you are planning to mount a M203 grenade launcher (NFA item).

 

[jakhamr81]

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I have an LMT and a RRA, I had to buy anti walk pins for my LMT because the pins keep walking out of position resulting in the trigger not working. My RRA is still running like a champ. That extra thousand dollars I spent on the LMT did not mean I got a better product.

 

[steelcomp]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That extra thousand dollars I spent on the LMT did not mean I got a better product.</div></div>No! Please say it isn't so!

 

[jakhamr81]

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I got some KS anti-walk pins ($25), now it is running good, might be that it is the piston MRP, and that recoil is way more than that of a standard direct gas. I'm thinking of trying my H3 buffer in it as well the next time I go to the range. If anybody else has tried this please chime in.

 

[biggame10683]

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Those anti walk pins are a must

 

[DoKnowHarm]

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Basically, get a mil-spec AR that is from a reputable company. Make a list of what is needed to complete the weapon based on the information in this and other forums. Pair that list with your budget and buy the best equipment you can buy. In regards to caliber, if the SHTF does ever come to be, a common round will be easier to re-supply than one that is newer and/or not as commonly used (5.56 and .308 are used by many military and LE groups and ammo is much easier to find than 6.8, 6.5, .338 etc....although some of the newer rounds have impressive ballistics, they may be difficult to find when supplies are stressed) Good luck...

 

[rasp65]

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Here is the perfect SHTF Ar15 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/26/at-14-the-410-ar-15-shotgun/ You can use it to hunt birds with when there is no food available and will provide adequate close in protection. Lets face it when the SHTF you won't need to engage targets at 400 yds. It is the targets that you can reach out and touch that you will need to worry about.

 

[Slickrick0999]

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I went with the Noveske basic M4 set up. Very pleased with it so far. The thing that pushed me over was the free lower I got with the complete gun at the time.

 

[TXTransplant]

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Don't re-invent the wheel until you've owned a few of these guns. I recommend against building it yourself, at least for your first gun, unless you're an uber-tinkerer. I'm pretty mechanical, a decent amateur gunsmith, but it was easier to diagnose problems with the ARs I built after I'd owned a few that ran.

The fact is that every single manufacturer occasionally has a QC issue. Name a manufacturer, do a search on here, and someone will have a legit complaint with them. There are some slightly lower end guns, like Olympic, etc, that are better avoided.

But for the most part, as mentioned above, these guns are like hamburgers. There isn't any magic to them--if the parts are in spec and assembled correctly, the gun will run, period. And most AR brands are actually made by other companies, anyway.

There are some features you are going to want. Plug and play with everything else in terms of brand, but here are the basics. Stick with 5.56 at first--the ammo is cheap, available, so are the mags. SHTF gun in an obscure caliber is a bad idea.


1. Flat top upper (M4 feed ramps). This will just make your life easier.

2. 1:7 barrel, if possible, with fixed front sight post. Make sure you get an "F" marked front sight base. Fixed front sights are way more durable than your flip up jobs. Stick with them, at least on your SHTF gun.

3. Free-floated handguard--you generally get what you pay for. Larue, DD, etc.

4. M4 or govt contour barrel at the heaviest. A lightweight barrel is even better. A lot of makers put heavy barrels on to save manufacturing costs (lathe time). Rock River is especially guilty of this, speaking generally. Unless you're shooting nickles at 600 yards, I've found the lightweight contour is the best way to roll--you really don't give up much accuracy under 300 yards and the gun handles much, much better, is much easier to swing, shoot, and carry. Otherwise your standard M4 contour is fine. Just not heavier.

5. at some point you're going to want an aimpoint or eotech. Or low powered scope. But you don't have to start with them.

Start with irons if you want to save money, get a troy or larue "backup" rear sight, run them as your primary sights until you want to drop the $500 on a decent dot sight.

Far as gas systems, a lot of people like the midlength gas system, mostly because you get a longer sight radius. But I own both. Can't tell the difference except for the sight radius.

 

[TXTransplant]

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Final note: if you are really considering an AR in 308, you owe it to yourself to shoot both a 5.56 AR and a 7.62 AR back to back on a range, run a couple of mags through each.

If you still want the 308 after that, go for it. There is a reason that all the NATO countries abandoned the 30-06/308 for infantry rifles. There are now plenty of good 5.56 rounds that do decent damage to people, deer, etc. Even now, when the powers that be in the military are thinking about bumping up in caliber, no one is thinking of going 308. They're talking something in between 5.56 and 308 (or I guess technically 7.62x51, rather than 308).

Not to mention that in terms of parts compatibility, you can find 5.56 AR parts everywhere. With 7.62 ARs, not so much. Plus there are at least two different platforms, magazines that are not-cross compatible, etc.