ARC Mags

#51
Mine does the same. That was one of two of the issues I ran into. My AI mags don't do that so the obvious culprit is the magazine. My gun has run for over 1000 rounds with no feeding issues until today.


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#53
Serious question here: I keep seeing all of these failures occurring during cycles that will never be induced during a shot sequence. Have there been any failures in live fire? I understand "a failure is a failure" but where would you ever see the front of the follower being depressed straight down in the fashion shown in the video? I get it, the AI doesn't do it, but tell me one circumstance where that failure modulus would ever be witnessed......

I am wondering if mountains are being made out of mole hills.......I can make anything not work if I try hard enough.

With all of that being said, I do have a couple en route as I do think they answer a problem. I also am curious if that failure can be reproduced during firing where the bullet tips move forward on recoil, causing a drag component.......we will see.
 
#54
mm509 said:
Serious question here: I keep seeing all of these failures occurring during cycles that will never be induced during a shot sequence. Have there been any failures in live fire? I understand "a failure is a failure" but where would you ever see the front of the follower being depressed straight down in the fashion shown in the video? I get it, the AI doesn't do it, but tell me one circumstance where that failure modulus would ever be witnessed......

I am wondering if mountains are being made out of mole hills.......I can make anything not work if I try hard enough.

With all of that being said, I do have a couple en route as I do think they answer a problem. I also am curious if that failure can be reproduced during firing where the bullet tips move forward on recoil, causing a drag component.......we will see.
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This all happened to me during live fire. The video was just a demonstration. As god as my witness, this picture is how I pulled the mag out of the gun.

Trust me, I own a Mausingfield and I want these mags to be flawless. I like ARC products.

I ran these mags today exactly the way I plan on using them, on stages for matches. So I loaded 10 in each and cycled as I would during a stage. I couldnt get a clean 10 off.

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#55
Stag, that is the exact answer I was looking for. Thank you for clarifying. I wasn't trying to imply people are doing anything to maliciously show failures, I was honestly curious if this is happening during shooting.

Thank you for clarifying.
 
#57
nfoley said:
Mine ran flawlessly feeding 6 dasher dummy rounds (10). Ran them in mausingfield action about 8-10 times, could not induce any kind of problem. Will get them out and run some live rounds through in the next 4-5 days but so far looks good.
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My order should be here next week, will be running 6 Dasher through them as well. Good to hear they're working for you.
 
#58
Spoke with Ted from American Rifle regarding my issues with my magazine. Through some discussion of my issues, Ted had me modify the points underneath the follower, which eliminated the issue of the follower binding in the magazine body.

Running dummy rounds though this modified magazine, I wasn't able to replicate the issues I had today at the range. I'm hoping to get to the range within the next couple days to test this again during live fire and confirm this has rectified my issue.

I just want to be clear that I wasn't trying to bash Ted or the product, but to share first hand experience and see whether A. I was the only one having this issue or B. What was causing the issue. Hopefully this corrects the problem and we have found a solution.


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#62
Received mine today and took it to the range. Ran 30 live-fire rounds through it (6.5x47). On each full magazine, the tip of the 6th round ended up under the feed ramp and not feeding. Once I pushed the round back in the magazine, it and the remaining 4 rounds fed properly. Two times between the 6th and 7th round I could hear a 'popping' noise; pretty sure it was the follower and the next round 'popping' up into place before I closed the bolt (like they were briefly sticking).

In all fairness, I have similar issues with Accurate and Alpha Mags. The only magazines that feed flawlessly for me are the cheap plastic Magpul PMAG's. I soooooo want this magazine to work, as the length of the 10-round PMAG's is an issue building a stable position in some circumstances. They cost me points this weekend.

Also, the ARC mag fed butter smooth and did not scratch my brass at all. Much better than any other steel mags I've tried.
 
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Pusher591 said:
Ted, I just placed an order a few days ago. Can I have you modify my mags before they ship like you had Stag modify his, just to be safe.
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I'll let Ted explain what we did because I'm sure it will be a lot better explained from him but it took me all of 10 seconds to modify. You can easily do it when you receive them.

Everything seems to run smooth now, just need to hit the range.

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#66
Stag556 said:
I'll let Ted explain what we did because I'm sure it will be a lot better explained from him but it took me all of 10 seconds to modify. You can easily do it when you receive them.

Everything seems to run smooth now, just need to hit the range.

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Nice!!! I just figured he could do it before they ship so im
not on the phone with him and he could be spending that time doing something more important. Sounds like an easy mod so I may be able to figure it out.

 
#67
All 4 of mine have feed fine from both a Manners stock and a PDC Custom chassis using Defiance actions cut for AW mags using 6.5 Creedmoor. I have two matches next weekend that I look forward to testing them out in.
 
#69
Here's my post from the other day in the bolt action section, will throw it here, too if anyone cares to bend them for SAUM/WSM...

Got my 3 in today. I'm running a 6.5 SAUM so I had to bend the feed lips out just a hair to get them to feed the larger diameter cases. That said, the material/heat treat on these is significantly better than the alpha mags I was using. No bulging, and significantly more force required to bend the lips. They feed great, very smooth. The coating on them is pretty slick. Time will tell how they work in the long run, but just getting the lips right and testing it out tonight, probably 5-10 full loads on each magazine, they're looking pretty good.

For those curious, I bent the lips so that the inside-to-inside distance on the top of the lips was about 0.410-0.415" in the rear, and right about 0.435" in the front. Gives slick function with my 6.5 SAUM. YMMV.

They drop free from my PTG dbm. Hold 6 SAUM rounds, and about 3/8" shorter than Alphas.
 
#73
5RWill said:
The original that debuted at SHOT was 3/8ths of an inch longer than the AW. I'll have a pic after i see my friends ARC next weekend at LPRC.
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Pretty sure after they had to delay it, the actual production model is equal to or shorter then the AW. I thought I remember that in the ARC mag thread but I could be wrong.
 
#75
Pusher591 said:
Pretty sure after they had to delay it, the actual production model is equal to or shorter then the AW. I thought I remember that in the ARC mag thread but I could be wrong.
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That's pretty impressive if so, and negating the need for AW less you run a Tempest or AI. I definitely want to rid of all my AICS except the 5rd with the core 2rd extension. Though my comp gun is on a Tempest so i'm also looking to pick up another AW mags.

I hope however that Ted moves production of his mags beyond 308 if they're bringing him enough profit to justify the cost. Finding SAUM mags is a bit of a pain as there are only two players, Alpha and Accurate.
 
#77
In order from left to right:

5 round AI
10 round Alpha
10 round AICS
10 round ARC

 

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#79
Bump for any updates. Anyone talked to Ted to see if he's modifying mags now before they go out or recalling them or maybe even putting up a PSA for current owners on how to modify them to work?

**Thanks to all the replies and PM's. Should be a quick fix.
 
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#81
Any updates?

Thinking people can list their build info to maybe help narrow down the issues if it hasn't already been solved. Particularly action make/model, whether or not it's cut for AI only or AI and AW mags and also what caliber being shot.

Seems particular cailbers are having success and others are not. Only baseing this off what I'm seeing posted.

My mags arrived Friday. Like everyone else build quality is top notch BUT just loading rounds into mine it's very easy to make the follower tilt forward and jam up. I have not ran these dry fire or live fire yet so I cannot say if they are working in that aspect.

Hope to possibly have an update this week for dry fire cycling and maybe even some live fire through a 6.5 Creedmoor custom build with factory 140 Amax (2.81 coal).
 
#82
I recieved 3 last week and they are not working for me at all with 6xc. Using a Surgeon action and bottom metal, the rounds are nose diving under the feed ramp and not even close to chambering. Best I've gotten to chamber in a row is 2 then it's full jam- mode.
 
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#83
I got mine and tried it out by just cycling dummy rounds through it. First time all rounds fed except the last round, it tilted forward in the mag to the point that the bolt couldn't even push it. It also required a bit of effort to lock in to the bottom metal. Other mags including MDTTAC, Magpul, and AICS require zero extra effort to lock in. Will have to see how it feeds at the range.

Remington 700LH SA unmodified except for feed ramp
PTG M5 Stealth bottom metal
6.5 Creedmoor COAL of 2.807 using Barnes 140 MatchBurners

Tried Hornady new 129gr soft point in the ARC mag, the last round in the magazine tilts forward every single time. Doesn't matter if there is 3 rounds in it or 10, tilts the last round forward causing a jam.
 
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#84
JMGlasgow said:
I got mine and tried it out by just cycling dummy rounds through it. First time all rounds fed except the last round, it tilted forward in the mag to the point that the bolt couldn't even push it. It also required a bit of effort to lock in to the bottom metal. Other mags including MDTTAC, Magpul, and AICS require zero extra effort to lock in. Will have to see how it feeds at the range.

Remington 700LH SA unmodified except for feed ramp
PTG M5 Stealth bottom metal
6.5 Creedmoor COAL of 2.807 using Barnes 140 MatchBurners

Tried Hornady new 129gr soft point in the ARC mag, the last round in the magazine tilts forward every single time. Doesn't matter if there is 3 rounds in it or 10, tilts the last round forward causing a jam.
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Same problems latching in for me. Using PTG and CDI bottom metals in a 700 with 6CompMatch rounds. Even with the DBM out of the rifle they won't latch in. The "hook" on the ARC is considerably larger than an AICS, and the slot in the DBM doesn't extend high enough for it to fit. I thought the fix was to clearance the slot in the DBM, but now if I cram an AICS into a barricade, it rocks back and up so far that the bolt strikes the feed lips. I also had 1 instance this weekend where the ARC wouldn't push new rounds up. Sometimes I could hear them ratchet their way up several seconds after the bolt was closed. I had dropped my mag in the gravel prior to that stage and tried to clean it quick, so I suspect it was a dirt issue.
The ARC and AICS fits fine and feed well in my Element chassis, so hopefully I just notched my DBM to far. IDK, I hope there is an easy fix.

Edit. I just ran another 60 rounds threw the rifles at the range after cleaning the mag, and it is back to feeding flawlessly.
 
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#85
Locks in and feeds fine in my Ruger RPR (not so fancy, I know). Quite a bit shorter than Magpul 10rd AICS mag, but I don't know that I'd say it's noticeably smoother. Both are quite smooth in a hanky factory action, whereas SR pattern mags aren't at all.

I will say the follower of the ARC mag is pretty easy to lock up when playing with it (depress in front, it twists around it's axis and the legs lock it up) but I had no issues at the range today.
 
#86
I've gotta say I don't understand all the issues people are having with these mags. I've had nothing but problems with AICS and Alpha mags for the past 3 years (even after spending hours tuning the feed lips). The ARC mag I just got last week has solved every feeding issue in both of my match rifles. I almost can't believe it. I keep loading up the new ARC mag with dummy rounds and cycleing rounds, waiting for it to malfunction, but in never does. I also shot a 70 round match this weekend and it was butter smooth through all 10 rounds the whole day.
 
#87
Just because you aren't having issues, doesn't mean they aren't happening. It really isn't hard to understand. Glad yours are running smooth, mine and several others are having clear, repeatable issues.
 
#88
JMGlasgow said:
Just because you aren't having issues, doesn't mean they aren't happening. It really isn't hard to understand. Glad yours are running smooth, mine and several others are having clear, repeatable issues.
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Some of the issues people are reporting have nothing to do with the magazines. Other problems people are describing are ones these mags solved for me. I just wanted to say that I'm really happy with them and people shouldn't be scared off by this thread. Sorry you are having issues. I have no ties to ARC.
 
#89
I ordered 5 of these mags. 3 of them feed fine so far, but 2 of them don't. the 2nd round from the top jams into the receiver below the feed ramp almost every time. It looks like the increased tension when the mag is full is causing the top round to push the second round slightly forward and pushes the nose down when it feeds out. if I slide the second round back against the back of the mag it'll feed just fine.

my build is a Mausingfield action in AI AX chassis. 308win
 
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#90
entropic86 said:
Some of the issues people are reporting have nothing to do with the magazines. Other problems people are describing are ones these mags solved for me. I just wanted to say that I'm really happy with them and people shouldn't be scared off by this thread. Sorry you are having issues. I have no ties to ARC.
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I'm pretty positive all the issues have everything to do with the mags.

If you're experience is different, then I'm happy for you, seriously. I'm a huge fan of ARC, own a Mausingfield and I 100% support Ted because I think he's a great guy and truly tries to put out a top notch product. (Wish I got paid to say that haha)

But the fact is, there seem to be some issues with these so far. You said you have issues with AI mags but my experience is the exact opposite so it all depends. I seem to have feeding issues with these mags and after over 1100 rounds in my rifle and not one feeding issue using AI AICS mags, it's safe to say it's the mag, not my gun. Simple analysis determines that.

Either way, happy they worked out for you and hope everyone can have them run flawlessly soon.


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#92
Stag556 said:
I'm pretty positive all the issues have everything to do with the mags.

If you're experience is different, then I'm happy for you, seriously. I'm a huge fan of ARC, own a Mausingfield and I 100% support Ted because I think he's a great guy and truly tries to put out a top notch product. (Wish I got paid to say that haha)

But the fact is, there seem to be some issues with these so far. You said you have issues with AI mags but my experience is the exact opposite so it all depends. I seem to have feeding issues with these mags and after over 1100 rounds in my rifle and not one feeding issue using AI AICS mags, it's safe to say it's the mag, not my gun. Simple analysis determines that.

Either way, happy they worked out for you and hope everyone can have them run flawlessly soon.


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Just curious where we go from here, because there doesn't seem to be too much contact (in this thread) between the group that have bought these and experiencing issues. I really don't want to call Ted and other him or start asking asking questions if he's already working on a solution but if he is, it would be nice to know and maybe he can post here with results and updates.

Again my build won't be ready for two months so it will be a while before I know if they run in my particular gun. In the mean time I will try to run them in a 308 gun at work. I will post my results good or bad.
 
#93
_Raining said:
I figured out what the issue is with my setup, the tip of the bullets are getting caught on the ramp in the action. I don't really know who to place the blame on for this one, I am sure I could have my smith fix it so that the ramp isn't obstructing the magazine.
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I've had this issue with a Surgeon action and AICS mags... I had to open the front third of the feedlips up to about .435". That mostly solves the issue but not completely. Best to have the cutout in the action widened/deepened.
 
#97
I haven't shot any live rounds yet, but dummy rounds cycle very well. I have a TL3 sitting in a MPA chassis. I ordered mine directly from ARC and had them in a couple of days.
 
#99
Pusher591 said:
Just curious where we go from here, because there doesn't seem to be too much contact (in this thread) between the group that have bought these and experiencing issues. I really don't want to call Ted and other him or start asking asking questions if he's already working on a solution but if he is, it would be nice to know and maybe he can post here with results and updates.

Again my build won't be ready for two months so it will be a while before I know if they run in my particular gun. In the mean time I will try to run them in a 308 gun at work. I will post my results good or bad.
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I've talked to him twice about the latching problems in my cheap DBM's. When I talked to him the second time after I found the problem, he said "Well, F***. Ok, that's an easy fix from here on out." He was also very interested in my one time feeding issue, and now I'm positive that it was dirt in the mag that caused it.
 
#100
just got two mags in that I ordered directly from ted himself just tested at the house and both are feeding perfectly with my mausingfield in an aiax aics chassis... I stuffed 10 6.5x47 rounds in and all ran butter smooth!!! Way better than my ai mags so far but have not been in the field yet so we'll see how they hold up. I think a 200+ round overnight camp/shoot will put them to the test!
 
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