ARC Precision Ultimate Annealer

[eric90503]

Im in the market for a whole new precision setup. I've only previously reloaded straight wall pistol on a 650 so this is process I've never had to implement.

An annealer is one piece of the puzzle that I am planning on getting. Particularly the AMP Anneler.

Just saw this being listed on a few reloading vendors.

ARC Precision Ultimate Annealer​

Anyone have any feedback on this unit? Exciting times these days.

 

[rustyinbend]

My feedback is that (a) this thing looks slightly more complicated, and (b) I absolutely LOVE my AMP and couldn't imagine reloading without it. One sacrificial case and I've got my setting basically for the life of that class and brand of cases. Easy-Peezy-Lemon-Squeezy.

 

[Maurygold]

The rumors are that they will only support their own brass with this. Time will tell

 

[BigGameJames87]

The rumors are that they will only support their own brass with this. Time will tell

ADG is just the US distributor, not the manufacture. The machines are made is South Africa I believe.

 

[biggershooter]

Anyone have any feedback on this unit? Exciting times these days.

They've copied the best features of the Quick Anneal (which I use and like) and added temperature sensors, which is an unnecessary but good thing.

Interested in the price.

Edit: just found the price. Good grief. I'll stay with the Quick Anneal.

 

[iceng]

What was the price?

 

[TheOE800]

What was the price?

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[iceng]

1800?

I'll see myself out.

 

[Maurygold]

ADG is just the US distributor, not the manufacture. The machines are made is South Africa I believe.

That doesn’t change what I have heard. That it will only have codes to work on ADG brass

 

[Maurygold]

1800?

I'll see myself out.

When you add pilots to an amp these are basically the same price but this has a hopper function. If it has the same Aztec principle mode this will be competitive at the price

Of course I also wish it was cheaper

 

[biggershooter]

Edit: just found the price. Good grief. I'll stay with the Quick Anneal.

So on reflection, putting the price of $1850 in perspective, equivalent functionality from AMP would require the AMP plus the AMP MATE plus a dillon/hornady case feeder. Since most of us already have a case feeder, look at $2124 + pilots. And the AMP MATE, while version II is claimed to be more reliable than V I, is still a Rube Goldberg machine I would not like to tune.

So my reaction may have been hasty.

Of course on the ARC one must put the cases in the feeder in the correct orientation rather than just pour them in like a dillon/hornady feeder. But the ARC feeder is simplicity itself and I would expect no tuning an excellent reliability, and the feeder has a small footprint.

Then there's the Quick Anneal at $1395. To automate it, setup a dillon/hornady case feeder, like most of us already have. I've never felt the need, but someone would.

 

[918v]

That doesn’t change what I have heard. That it will only have codes to work on ADG brass

Go to their YouTube site and learn how it works:

ARC Precision

Welcome to ARC Precision, the home or precision annealing. ARC is the home of the original #myAnnealer. Annealing cartridges for reloading is common these days as it extends the cartridge life and annealing provides for improved velocity consistency. As the neck and shoulders are normalized...

www.youtube.com

 

[Maurygold]

Go to their YouTube site and learn how it works:

ARC Precision

Welcome to ARC Precision, the home or precision annealing. ARC is the home of the original #myAnnealer. Annealing cartridges for reloading is common these days as it extends the cartridge life and annealing provides for improved velocity consistency. As the neck and shoulders are normalized...

www.youtube.com

Where does it say it can work on any manufacturers cartridge?

I genuinely hope it does. I’m just not seeing that anywhere

 

[918v]

Where does it say it can work on any manufacturers cartridge?

I genuinely hope it does. I’m just not seeing that anywhere

One video shows how it automatically adjusts to the correct height. Another shows where you adjust the glow level of the neck, which corresponds to temperature. It anneals the neck to the same glow level, irrespective of the amount of brass in that area. A thick neck will be annealed longer than a thin neck. The thermal sensor monitors each annealing on each case and shuts off the power when the neck reaches the glow level you set. So every case is annealed to the same temperature.

 

[Maurygold]

One video shows how it automatically adjusts to the correct height. Another shows where you adjust the glow level of the neck, which corresponds to temperature. It anneals the neck to the same glow level, irrespective of the amount of brass in that area. A thick neck will be annealed longer than a thin neck. The thermal sensor monitors each annealing on each case and shuts off the power when the neck reaches the glow level you set. So every case is annealed to the same temperature.

I watched a few. It does look like you can set temperature and not some kind of erroneous code. That’s pretty nice so maybe it will be good for non-adg brass

 

[Delicatessen]

Supposedly it works on the thermal sensors no codes/anyones brass should work. Not sure of reliability of the sensors to get everything right in the neck shoulder area but the feeder seems much more reliable. There are a few podcasts on how it works around. Unknown munitions etc.

 

[iceng]

If the temp sensor reaction/resolution timing is quick enough, meaning it can sense 0.1deg in 0.1sec or whatever, then also temperature based measurement would be awesome and insanely consistent from the start to the finish of a batch.

Having marginally different thickness of brass, but always bringing it to the same temp each time will be useful, I'd expect.

Still, too rich for me.

 

[BigGameJames87]

It definitely has my interest, especially since it comes with a case feeder. Induction annealers are just plain expensive unless you go the DIY route. The only one I know of that is under $1000 is the Fluxeon Annie which is a very different machine than the AMP, ARC, & Quick Anneal.

 

[Schw15]

This one looks very intriguing and I'm pretty sure it works on all brands of brass. I was going to order an amp but I still haven't ordered it things came up plumming........ but this one is on my radar as well. I think either one is a solid design but amp is proven here in the states

 

[The_Steward]

Interesting. I wonder what sensors they are using for the temperature sensing. I have actually been kicking around the same sort of thing for my homebrew annealer, but the only infrared temperature sensor I found that was fast enough and capable of measuring high enough temperatures hasn't been available in the US for the past couple of years (made by Melexis). It's like $85 just for the sensor via China, and I can't be sure it's not a knockoff so I never tried it.

It make Aztec mode irrelevant, since you can directly assess case temperature and don't have to destroy the case to do it. Because of that, you can measure every single case instead of relying on one setting. It also means you wouldn't have to calibrate anything but height, as you can just pick a temperature and it should automatically do that for every case, regardless of thickness.

I've even had a stepper to adjust height like that.

Photos just so people don't think I'm some blowhard. you can see the cutout for the photo eye I was going to use for a safety interlock.

 

[Danrobberg]

Annealing is getting a little out of control here.

 

[iceng]

You mean under complete control??

 

[918v]

You mean under complete control??

Some people just don’t understand

 

[iceng]

Some people just want to watch the world burn.



But not to burn brass when you anneal. That would be bad. Just need to make sure our annealing process is......

under control.