Atlanta walk out

[Sierra770]

While no one can say whether they would or wouldn’t have shot him until they are in the situation, here’s what this person had without a doubt shown the officer/s here:

1: he does not want to be arrested and will get physical to stop it

2: he will take a weapon from an officer

3: he will use the weapon against the officer

Based on this, we have satisfied the means, opportunity, and intent, which is the basis for use of force justifications.

Any reasonable officer (key word is officer, not some non LE at home) can conclude if the subject is able to incapacitate the officer with the taser, he may take a more deadly weapon from the incapacitated officer and use it on that officer or another officer.

Honestly, the justification is only strengthened by several officers being there. As the subject has shown he will fight multiple officers and use their tools against them. Very real possibility if he takes one down with a taser, he will take another weapon to continue his escape.

This gets a big Amen!

 

[MadDuner]

If BLM actually wanted to save black lives they would take out big billboards in appropriate areas that said:

Warning: Failure to comply or follow simple directions or resisting arrest is known to cause injury or death.

 

[ken226]

A few recommendations that could have prevented this ruckus from ever getting started:

 

[Fig]

Did you read what you wrote?
They are kicking people with far greater convictions, not charges. actual convictions, out of jail. They are not arresting people that are fire bombing buildings and police cars. But the officers had to take this guy down for a DUI?
No where in my writing did I say that he should get a pass because he's black versus white. My reference to the racial pandemic was to emphasize that looting, burning, assaulting and all sorts of mayhem are getting a pass. But cops gotta do cop shit and take this guy down? Wake the fuck up!!

I’d say your beef is 100% with the Democrats in charge and not with the police officers. This is a guess, but I would bet not a single officer thinks they should stand back and “give the rioters space to destroy”.

 

[nick338]

While no one can say whether they would or wouldn’t have shot him until they are in the situation, here’s what this person had without a doubt shown the officer/s here:

1: he does not want to be arrested and will get physical to stop it

2: he will take a weapon from an officer

3: he will use the weapon against the officer

Based on this, we have satisfied the means, opportunity, and intent, which is the basis for use of force justifications.

Any reasonable officer (key word is officer, not some non LE at home) can conclude if the subject is able to incapacitate the officer with the taser, he may take a more deadly weapon from the incapacitated officer and use it on that officer or another officer.

Honestly, the justification is only strengthened by several officers being there. As the subject has shown he will fight multiple officers and use their tools against them. Very real possibility if he takes one down with a taser, he will take another weapon to continue his escape.

Exactly why people here arguing that the officers should have called their superior or called a cab should SHTFU. They weren't there, period, end of story.

These are routine interactions that police are involved with thousands of times a day all over the country. Most of them turn out ok, but unfortunately some do not. Media hyperbole is the enemy here, not the police.

The paradigm shift has been erupting for years. Perhaps the people that are screaming brutality should look at themselves and their culture instead of screaming racism every time they make the news. Oh wait, it's always someone else's fault right?

Accountability. A word that no one wants to use or hear anymore. It's a fucking joke. There's a growing trend towards a less is more doctrine from lawmakers because more and more of the lawmakers are of the same cloth as the shit the police have to deal with every day. Won't be long before we have a Judge Dredd police force.

Here's an idea. If you want to be treated fairly, stop breaking the fucking law. That goes for anyone of any race or color.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Exactly why people here arguing that the officers should have called their superior or called a cab should SHTFU. They weren't there, period, end of story.

These are routine interactions that police are involved with thousands of times a day all over the country. Most of them turn out ok, but unfortunately some do not. Media hyperbole is the enemy here, not the police.

The paradigm shift has been erupting for years. Perhaps the people that are screaming brutality should look at themselves and their culture instead of screaming racism every time they make the news. Oh wait, it's always someone else's fault right?

Accountability. A word that no one wants to use or hear anymore. It's a fucking joke. There's a growing trend towards a less is more doctrine from lawmakers because more and more of the lawmakers are of the same cloth as the shit the police have to deal with every day. Won't be long before we have a Judge Dredd police force.

Here's an idea. If you want to be treated fairly, stop breaking the fucking law. That goes for anyone of any race or color.

I think we may be so far into this, the only way out is for crime to return to 1980’s level. When everyone has had enough you’ll see a return to “tough on crime” bills.

 

[HousePlant]

I didn't say riotors were MOSTLY white. I used the word MANY. I literally saw what I saw with my eyes, not CNN's. I hate CNN. I'm done with the mainstream media and have been since Obama was elected. Not because Obama is black or because Obama was elected, but because of how obvious the lean was. And naturally Fox news went the other direction to differentiate and now we have this war of opinion and total lack of real journalism. As someone who studied journalism, I can see between the lines how twisted the profession is. And today's "good" journalists are actually good writers/talkers, not journalists.

Because this particular "movement" feels very aggressive and is gaining steam, I've chosen to develop my own understanding. Part of my family is black, so I spoke with a few of them. I've spoken to black neighbors. I've done my part as best as I can to understand where this comes from. The people I spoke to are literally taught from birth by parents, people they look up to, friends, religious leaders, and even politicians that America hates them, that they are still slaves or otherwise still shackled by a white society and "the white man", and so on, so forth. It's not always overt, but it's there and it adds up. They live in actual fear of white people and police. At least among those I spoke to, they culturally are communal so when one person is harmed, they all internalize it as racism due to the lack of trust. This is bolstered by a history of literally being slaves, not having the same rights as white people, etc. But if you challenge certain elements of this mindset to try and change it, you are racist and the reaction is often swiftly aggressive. At least it has been for me. Saying something like, "but I can get pulled over for a brake light out, too" or "cops have never been nice to me either," or "isn't it logical that areas with more crime would have more police" are something that gets you immediately ousted from a discussion and canceled as a racist. It's so fast.

Years ago, stupidly, I decided to drive Lyft for a while and often ended up in rough neighborhoods at night. I did this thinking I could build up extra funds for my race car. It turned out to be, at best, a high risk $3 an hour job. Anyway, I have driven through areas of this city at night -- at 2AM -- and seen people in the streets with crying awake babies, toddlers, and kids with them while adults are swearing, smoking weed, and whatever else. I all but stopped driving after 11PM as a result of seeming to always end up in these neighborhoods (the only way you can pick where you're willing to go is to go as far away from that area as possible for pickups) and seeing things that just make me enraged and saddened at the same time. Those kids don't typically grow up to be scholars and not getting proper sleep is developmentally terrible for a child. That kind of developmental disadvantage is almost unfixable when these kids become adults. It's just insane that parenting cannot be discussed without being called racist or sexist or whatever. There are terrible white parents, too. Those kids grow up to be terrible people, too. Interestingly, the worst of the bad white kids are the ones causing threat to our 2nd ammendment because they decide to walk into schools with an AR and shoot the place up. Parenting needs to be taught and it's not always taught by example from parents. You'd think this would be a topic discussed among the people yelling "defund the police". You'd think they'd say, "Defund the police... and reallocate those funds to social workers focused on parenting" or "defund the police... and reallocate funds to enforcement of child support laws so fathers aren't so easily absent". Something like that.

Anyway, watch this:

 

[hankpac]

I need that meme where its a guy sweating over making 2 decisions. Mine would be....

- Give the rioting mob what they want because eventually itll escalate and we can get this shit over with

- Who cares. Let all of the big liberal shithole cities burn to the ground

The problem with letting it all burn down, is the rats leaving the sinking ship. The elite, powerful, leftists who cause these situations are able to go elsewhere, bringing their attitudes, and agenda with them. Texas is already (and has been for some time) suffering with a migration of Politically left-leaning assholes settling into Austin, DFW, and Houston, agitating certain population segments. I live in a relatively conservative town in HIll Country. I certainly don't want them (Liberals) in my neighborhood.
Escalating into a shooting war, on the other hand, means total devolvement with no sure way of identifying the good people within the targeted "enemy". After all, if you just want to start warring against blacks in general, you have a serious mental health problem to begin with, and how do you say , "Oh, well, HE'S a good guy" and expect the next person to know that? Or how do you identify all the White Marxist pukes who are doing the actual stirring? I dont mean in riots, where they are easily seen, but day to day in a combat situation? It is hard enough for professional military to do it in a combat zone, let alone untrained militia (or whatever you want to call the armed gang you are now running the streets with), who decide that now the gloves are off.
We really don't want it to go to that anywhere in the US.
We need to start at the top, Congress is rife with Marxists who no longer hide themselves, but are now openly inciting the destructive forces. Vote them out.
Governors and Mayors of Liberal cities and States are openly inciting destruction, and fomenting civil strife. Do something about THEM. Vote them out is the strongest thing I can say in an open forum. But whatever happens, we really, really, REALLY don't want open warfare in the streets.
Change the leadership (which is what they are trying to do now, illegally, with riot and demonstration and agitation and open support by the politicians), and things will come into line.

 

[Rthur]

I didn't say riotors were MOSTLY white. I used the word MANY. I literally saw what I saw with my eyes, not CNN's. I hate CNN. I'm done with the mainstream media and have been since Obama was elected. Not because Obama is black or because Obama was elected, but because of how obvious the lean was. And naturally Fox news went the other direction to differentiate and now we have this war of opinion and total lack of real journalism. As someone who studied journalism, I can see between the lines how twisted the profession is. And today's "good" journalists are actually good writers/talkers, not journalists.

Because this particular "movement" feels very aggressive and is gaining steam, I've chosen to develop my own understanding. Part of my family is black, so I spoke with a few of them. I've spoken to black neighbors. I've done my part as best as I can to understand where this comes from. The people I spoke to are literally taught from birth by parents, people they look up to, friends, religious leaders, and even politicians that America hates them, that they are still slaves or otherwise still shackled by a white society and "the white man", and so on, so forth. It's not always overt, but it's there and it adds up. They live in actual fear of white people and police. At least among those I spoke to, they culturally are communal so when one person is harmed, they all internalize it as racism due to the lack of trust. This is bolstered by a history of literally being slaves, not having the same rights as white people, etc. But if you challenge certain elements of this mindset to try and change it, you are racist and the reaction is often swiftly aggressive. At least it has been for me. Saying something like, "but I can get pulled over for a brake light out, too" or "cops have never been nice to me either," or "isn't it logical that areas with more crime would have more police" are something that gets you immediately ousted from a discussion and canceled as a racist. It's so fast.

Years ago, stupidly, I decided to drive Lyft for a while and often ended up in rough neighborhoods at night. I did this thinking I could build up extra funds for my race car. It turned out to be, at best, a high risk $3 an hour job. Anyway, I have driven through areas of this city at night -- at 2AM -- and seen people in the streets with crying awake babies, toddlers, and kids with them while adults are swearing, smoking weed, and whatever else. I all but stopped driving after 11PM as a result of seeming to always end up in these neighborhoods (the only way you can pick where you're willing to go is to go as far away from that area as possible for pickups) and seeing things that just make me enraged and saddened at the same time. Those kids don't typically grow up to be scholars and not getting proper sleep is developmentally terrible for a child. That kind of developmental disadvantage is almost unfixable when these kids become adults. It's just insane that parenting cannot be discussed without being called racist or sexist or whatever. There are terrible white parents, too. Those kids grow up to be terrible people, too. Interestingly, the worst of the bad white kids are the ones causing threat to our 2nd ammendment because they decide to walk into schools with an AR and shoot the place up. Parenting needs to be taught and it's not always taught by example from parents. You'd think this would be a topic discussed among the people yelling "defund the police". You'd think they'd say, "Defund the police... and reallocate those funds to social workers focused on parenting" or "defund the police... and reallocate funds to enforcement of child support laws so fathers aren't so easily absent". Something like that.

Anyway, watch this:

Throw more money at failed culture...
We have, around 2 trillion last I checked.
Coddling lead to this.
A self licking lollipop.
More fuckups need more police, to the 1000th power.

R

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Push is now shove, and too far is always too far. Today, it's too far.

The situation now encompasses an organized insurrection; and the Leftist leadership is complicit.

When they start dying in the NoPo zones; the mayors, police chiefs, and governors who stand idly by and smirk in the joy of it all are liable to Dereliction/Felony Murder indictments, IMHO.

Since my experience in Vietnam, I've viewed the locals who step back and do nothing as complicit in the acts of terrorism that go on all around them. They may rise up to rebut the terrorism and fail fatally, but doing nothing is complicit behavior. We have all been schooled to allow the terrorists to hide among the innocent, and hobbled the troops with rules of engagement based upon collateral damage involving the innocent.

When the innocent tolerate the mayhem that transpires them, there are no innocents. The innocents left at the outset, the remaining, especially the responsible elected and appointed leadership, are cowardly complicit closet anarchists.

 

[Bender]

Is this still available?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Is this still available?

Nope,..it was sold wholesale to the public an like the lap dogs they are, then they gobbled it right up as soon as it was offered. Free shit makes people into animals, but that's good as I prefer movers, no matter the color. Last game of tag I attended after the first three days only the experienced got hits as all the slow ones were gone or reeducated. Long live assisted suicide.

 

[nick338]

I didn't say riotors were MOSTLY white. I used the word MANY. I literally saw what I saw with my eyes, not CNN's. I hate CNN. I'm done with the mainstream media and have been since Obama was elected. Not because Obama is black or because Obama was elected, but because of how obvious the lean was. And naturally Fox news went the other direction to differentiate and now we have this war of opinion and total lack of real journalism. As someone who studied journalism, I can see between the lines how twisted the profession is. And today's "good" journalists are actually good writers/talkers, not journalists.

Because this particular "movement" feels very aggressive and is gaining steam, I've chosen to develop my own understanding. Part of my family is black, so I spoke with a few of them. I've spoken to black neighbors. I've done my part as best as I can to understand where this comes from. The people I spoke to are literally taught from birth by parents, people they look up to, friends, religious leaders, and even politicians that America hates them, that they are still slaves or otherwise still shackled by a white society and "the white man", and so on, so forth. It's not always overt, but it's there and it adds up. They live in actual fear of white people and police. At least among those I spoke to, they culturally are communal so when one person is harmed, they all internalize it as racism due to the lack of trust. This is bolstered by a history of literally being slaves, not having the same rights as white people, etc. But if you challenge certain elements of this mindset to try and change it, you are racist and the reaction is often swiftly aggressive. At least it has been for me. Saying something like, "but I can get pulled over for a brake light out, too" or "cops have never been nice to me either," or "isn't it logical that areas with more crime would have more police" are something that gets you immediately ousted from a discussion and canceled as a racist. It's so fast.

Years ago, stupidly, I decided to drive Lyft for a while and often ended up in rough neighborhoods at night. I did this thinking I could build up extra funds for my race car. It turned out to be, at best, a high risk $3 an hour job. Anyway, I have driven through areas of this city at night -- at 2AM -- and seen people in the streets with crying awake babies, toddlers, and kids with them while adults are swearing, smoking weed, and whatever else. I all but stopped driving after 11PM as a result of seeming to always end up in these neighborhoods (the only way you can pick where you're willing to go is to go as far away from that area as possible for pickups) and seeing things that just make me enraged and saddened at the same time. Those kids don't typically grow up to be scholars and not getting proper sleep is developmentally terrible for a child. That kind of developmental disadvantage is almost unfixable when these kids become adults. It's just insane that parenting cannot be discussed without being called racist or sexist or whatever. There are terrible white parents, too. Those kids grow up to be terrible people, too. Interestingly, the worst of the bad white kids are the ones causing threat to our 2nd ammendment because they decide to walk into schools with an AR and shoot the place up. Parenting needs to be taught and it's not always taught by example from parents. You'd think this would be a topic discussed among the people yelling "defund the police". You'd think they'd say, "Defund the police... and reallocate those funds to social workers focused on parenting" or "defund the police... and reallocate funds to enforcement of child support laws so fathers aren't so easily absent". Something like that.

Anyway, watch this:

A few things.

The natural response to fear would be to not initiate contact in the first place. Jail cells are overwhelmingly filled with blacks, that's not being racist it's just a fact. That indicates to me it's a culture problem not fear.

Anyone can change their life if they want to. If you just except what you have or what you've become then you have already given up or don't care.

Plenty of scumbag white parents set sail on this ship as well and are just as responsible for the sense of entitlement that is flourishing these days.

 

[nick338]

I think we may be so far into this, the only way out is for crime to return to 1980’s level. When everyone has had enough you’ll see a return to “tough on crime” bills.

In the meantime they will just foster more of this behavior with bail reform.

 

[nick338]

Enough for me today, I have family to tend to.

Everyone have a great Father's Day and stay safe.

 

[Sierra770]

I think we may be so far into this, the only way out is for crime to return to 1980’s level. When everyone has had enough you’ll see a return to “tough on crime” bills.

This right here.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Unfortunately, some town/s somewhere will try some new age policing where unarmed emt and/or social workers are utilized. Some of them are going to die when things go sideways on a call.

 

[nick338]

Unfortunately, some town/s somewhere will try some new age policing where unarmed emt and/or social workers are utilized. Some of them are going to die when things go sideways on a call.

 

[Sierra770]

Unfortunately, some town/s somewhere will try some new age policing where unarmed emt and/or social workers are utilized. Some of them are going to die when things go sideways on a call.

True. More to support your previous post. This will drive people to say enough is enough. People expect LE to be in extremely critical situations and occasionally be killed or seriously injured, but not FF, PM, and Social Workers.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Exactly why people here arguing that the officers should have called their superior or called a cab should SHTFU. They weren't there, period, end of story.

These are routine interactions that police are involved with thousands of times a day all over the country.

Routine??
Let's do a little poll here.
All of you LEO here tell us about the time BLM and ANTIFA were trashing your city and you pulled over a drunken driver. Tell us what you were thinking when 20 plus people pulled out their phones and started recording your actions.

You say thousands of times a day? I bet you can find at least one of these events that were covered by the media and can post a link to it. I mean if it's 7 to 15 thousand times a week then YouTube videos will be abundant.
Something tells me that you are talking out of your ass.

Are you LEO? If so tell us how many times you've had this experience.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Routine??
Let's do a little poll here.
All of you LEO here tell us about the time BLM and ANTIFA were trashing your city and you pulled over a drunken driver. Tell us what you were thinking when 20 plus people pulled out their phones and started recording your actions.

You say thousands of times a day? I bet you can find at least one of these events that were covered by the media and can post a link to it. I mean if it's 7 to 15 thousand times a week then YouTube videos will be abundant.
Something tells me that you are talking out of your ass.

Are you LEO? If so tell us how many times you've had this experience.

Unless the crowd is being threatening, I’m almost never calling a supervisor for anything routine. Camera phones are the norm now. 20 people filming is not an issue.

Not to mention, supervisors have no legal authority to tell you when to arrest and not to arrest anyone. That is 100% officer discretion (unless a specific stature requires an arrest such as some state DUI laws). So, a supervisor may give you their opinion or advice, but they have zero authority to make up your mind for you.

If you needed to call a supervisor anytime you were performing a dui or any other routine deal just because some people are filming, you’d never get anything done.

Hostile, I call for backup. I don’t care if a supervisor comes out or not. Just as long as I get some help with hostilities.

I’d have to look up the particular state this last one happened in, but there’s a fair chance once the officer suspects a DUI, no one can legally put him in a cab and send him home. This happened a ton in the 90’s and many states have made it illegal to release a DUI.

 

[j-huskey]

What he said ^^^^

And directly to answer you.
With the caveat, we and others are not democratic shitholes that have allowed antifa and riots and looting.
And ARE NOT experiencing that...
Because our leaders AND citizens will not accept such behavior... AND have held the line.. with professional enforcement.
In at least 65-70% of U.S. LE, perhaps more, perhaps less.
We aren't worried about the citizen videos, we welcome them now.

Au contraire' to much of your premise. It does need to be tactfully used in the hotspots.

Nobody in that 65-70% strata is backing off...

Us, being in between two septic tanks where the vermin were in the streets misbehaving... and there have been protesters in the streets here, regularly, with uniformed officers encouraged to mingle, and participate in events, obviously placating a certain segment to reduce tensions, with a notable degree of success,

**and busloads were intercepted, and redirected...... **

And officers smilingly looked on as citizens very seriously discouraged misbehavior... of and by denizens, .....

Off days were restricted, vacations cancelled, and EVERYBODY was on standby, the Swat team prepped, and the three agencies were loaded for bear.... ready.

There were no restrictions of routine duties by any of the three agencies. Shifts WERE advised to be discrete, use discretion, supervision was expected to go to potential problems, but, there was to be no stopping of enforcement, because the majority of the citizens expected full LE protections.
And officers were tacitly encouraged to be very courteous to citizens recording them, even thanking them for their concerns.

And, so far, so good... the citizens serviced by those three agencies know we ain't stopping... and the off day restrictions have been lifted.

As do that 65-70% of the LE Agencies mentioned, ain't stopping.

In those places I refer to as democratic shitholes, it's a different world and very different story. The leadership failures have created much of what is seriously going downhill.

I cant speak for them, as I have done for the 65-70%, and wont.

Very respectfully given.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Too fucking funny.
"They had no choice"
Blah blah blah blah blah
"Rules regulations laws required they arrest"
Meanwhile thousands upon thousands of cops, police, deputies troopers and whatever other names you want to call them have stood by and watched people get bashed with skateboards, pipes, chains with locks. They stood and watched people set cars on fire, torched buildings, stopped traffic on highways and on and on and on.
You fucks can make all the damn excuses you want. You look like fucking idiots trying to cover your asses on this.
You all have twisted like a fucking pretzel to argue with me for saying that there was an alternative to what happened.
Tooooo fucking funny. The lot of you!!

No further response is necessary because you look Stoopid to continue on.

I'll finish with what I said earlier.
It's YOU that have the problem. So stick to what you have been doing. It's making some great entertainment.
Any of you idiots remember what's the definition of idiocy? Is it continuing to do the same thing and expect a different outcome? Yes, I do believe that is it.

 

[nick338]

Routine??
Let's do a little poll here.
All of you LEO here tell us about the time BLM and ANTIFA were trashing your city and you pulled over a drunken driver. Tell us what you were thinking when 20 plus people pulled out their phones and started recording your actions.

You say thousands of times a day? I bet you can find at least one of these events that were covered by the media and can post a link to it. I mean if it's 7 to 15 thousand times a week then YouTube videos will be abundant.
Something tells me that you are talking out of your ass.

Are you LEO? If so tell us how many times you've had this experience.

You seriously do not have a clue about what police officers deal with on a daily basis. Maybe you missed the part about the media? Or did you overlook the fact that the only time it means anything is when it turns bad.

Maybe you are one of the ones that videos something with your phone to post it on YouTube. Try posting something positive for a change.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

You seriously do not have a clue about what police officers deal with on a daily basis. Maybe you missed the part about the media? Or did you overlook the fact that the only time it means anything is when it turns bad.

Maybe you are one of the ones that videos something with your phone to post it on YouTube.

So I take it that you are LEO?
I am going on the fact that you totally avoided the response to your bullshit.
Get out your little doll and point to the place where I hurt you.

As far as knowing what you go through every day. I think someone started a thread about all the superhero shit. Take your crap there. If the iron is hot, let it go. Comprende?

 

[nick338]

So I take it that you are LEO?
I am going on the fact that you totally avoided the response to your bullshit.
Get out your little doll and point to the place where I hurt you.

As far as knowing what you go through every day. I think someone started a thread about all the superhero shit. Take your crap there. If the iron is hot, let it go. Comprende?

Most of your content isn't worth responding to, but since you seem to care so much I can assure you I'm not LEO, however I respect and support them until they give me a reason not to, and several bad interactions pales in comparison to the good they do every day.

You just continue to take a knee, your first name's not Colin is it? Lol

 

[FS1]

Anyone who hates the Police with a passion? I think may just be on the wrong side. Cops ain't perfect, but neither are you. JMHO

I will agree though that Police who cover for the bad are part of the problem. But telling good from bad is not always easy.

You want to win a fight with a Cop? Take it to court it is the only place you have a chance to win. I am sure all the anti-coppers would be happy to pay for the lawyer, Not. They only care when they can collect money over your casket. Every time a Cop kills a black person Al Sharptongue hits the lottery. Does he ever take that win ($) and use it to help black communities?

 

[lariat]

Going to throw some things out here that probably going rub everyone wrong, so let the games begin.

1. Be very careful about wanting to get rid of welfare, etc. If you have ever spent time in another (3rd world) country that doesn't have it, you can see what I am talking about. People end up scrambling for whatever they can find to survive. Theft, prostitution (female, male, child), organized crime, slavery and warlord areas, all in the open. Overrun and corrupt law enforcement. It may very well be that SOME welfare is needed to preserve our internal national security. Where that line is I don't know, but I do know the far end of the spectrum is not going to go well, especially with the current mindset in place in the activitsts/hoodrats. The Great Society experiment has instituted a thought process that is now resident in the general population, and while it does need to be dialed back the changes will not be effective until character changes. Good luck with that. Getting rid of welfare wont happen anyway, so this is somewhat of a dead conversation; we do, however, have to figure out how to deal with its consequences and the entitlement culture that has arisen from it that is causing obvious rot culturally.

2. Abortion rights may have the effect of actually keeping the Republic viable for longer than would otherwise be possible. Think about it: if those that are obtaining abortions are having children that are contributing to the welfare and other problems then fewer of the instigators mean fewer problems. Ill let you look up the stats to see what I am saying but its not an entirely esoteric thought process. Again, this goes (albeit indirectly) to national security. Had abortion not been made legal, what would the population breakdown look like now - IOW, how many would be sucking on the government tit and still be upset with the same government for holding them down? Granted, its a horrible thing to say, but here we are. If no one wants to raise a good citizen or doesn't know how... Its sounds like eugenics, because it is. How do you say that they were absolutely evil in their philosophy but not totally wrong?

3. All first responders are getting the shitty end of the stick. They have become the de-facto janitors of society so everyone else doesn't have to look at it. My time in the ambulance taught me that. And there are others that are willing to exploit this fact.

 

[R0man]

Call your supervisor and make him make that decision when you are in the no win situation.

Mr Thug, can I respectfully ask you not to tase me while I am calling my supervisor?

 

[Pre-64]

Pretty sure we are dealing with a troll, he really can't believe you can call a supervisor for every call. If he dose believe that he's never been in any kind of real job that takes any real world real time decision making.

 

[KML7201]

The days of letting people call a cab or sleep it off pretty much ended with the advent of body cams and prolific surveillance cameras. If the person that called about this guy passed out in his car made a complaint about no arrest being made the cops would be disciplined once the camera footage was viewed.
No supervisor would respond and tell the officers not to arrest someone for DUI. See my first statement.
If I was a cop in the current climate I would absolutely not do anything proactive but not answering a call could also end up in discipline for a cop. The reason for the sick out.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Pretty sure we are dealing with a troll, he really can't believe you can call a supervisor for every call. If he dose believe that he's never been in any kind of real job that takes any real world real time decision making.

I see that your reading comprehension has not improved.
I will send you $100 for every time I said that a supervisor should be called every time.
Go back and find it and post the quote.
Now go back to dick sucking or whatever it is you do.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Ohh look. Another retarded comedian has chimed in.

Mr Thug, can I respectfully ask you not to tase me while I am calling my supervisor?

I am sure that sounded funny in your head. But not so much when you wrote it.
I am sure that you can do better. So try just a bit harder next time. Maybe even say it out loud and ask yourself if you really think it's funny. Then decide if that's something you want to put out into the public space.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

So, you got nothing. Just a couple of "one time at band camp" bullshit stories?

Most of your content isn't worth responding to, but since you seem to care so much I can assure you I'm not LEO, however I respect and support them until they give me a reason not to, and several bad interactions pales in comparison to the good they do every day.

You just continue to take a knee, your first name's not Colin is it? Lol

Seems as though you are the one taking the knee. What's your favorite polish flavor?

 

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I see that your reading comprehension has not improved.
I will send you $100 for every time I said that a supervisor should be called every time.
Go back and find it and post the quote.
Now go back to dick sucking or whatever it is you do.

you cant make vague and half thought out statements and then bitch when people fill in the blanks for you.

so on what metrics should an officer not trust their own judgement, and instead call out their supervisor?

do you have solutions, or are you just going to play monday morning QB and tell us all what the cops should have done....after the fact?

 

[Pre-64]

I see that your reading comprehension has not improved.
I will send you $100 for every time I said that a supervisor should be called every time.
Go back and find it and post the quote.

Except he explained himself about five times and questioned the reading comprehension or lack there of that is still running rampant in this thread. Lol

@DarnYankeeUSMC never said any such thing.
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Except he explained himself about five times and questioned the reading comprehension or lack there of that is still running rampant in this thread. Lol

@DarnYankeeUSMC never said any such thing.

I see that your reading comprehension has not improved.
I will send you $100 for every time I said that a supervisor should be called every time.
Go back and find it and post the quote.
Now go back to dick sucking or whatever it is you do.

So what makes him think they'd should of called a supervisor on this DUI? How where these officers know this guy was going to fight and a shooting would happen? In his infinite wisdom what makes him knthis is the time to call a supervisor out?

 

[R0man]

Ohh look. Another retarded comedian has chimed in.

I am sure that sounded funny in your head. But not so much when you wrote it.
I am sure that you can do better. So try just a bit harder next time. Maybe even say it out loud and ask yourself if you really think it's funny. Then decide if that's something you want to put out into the public space.

Oh, I am sorry about that. English is only 6th language I have learned, and I never had a teacher. Learned it myself with a dictionary. Clearly I lack some skill.
Anyway, I still stay behind what I wrote.

Hold on, don't shoot, I need to call my supervisor first

 

[Pre-64]

He keep saying "in this instance they should of called a supervisor" so what calls should or should not get a supervisor called? Had the guy complied with the lawful commands of the officer should they have still called a supervisor?

 

[Pre-64]

And yes idiots where burning and looting the city but that's not the call dispatch sent those officers too, a drunk passed out in a car was where they where called too

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Now I am not going to bust your chops much because you've been making up the rules as we go along and you get to interpret them.

No one doing their job properly should have a problem with the video.
Just tell me when you have had it happen. Was it after the Rodney King trial in LA? The Michael shitbag in Ferguson? Travon in Florida? Baltimore? Or any of the other shit storms?
Do you not think that this was a very flammable situation?
No? Then enjoy what you are being delt.
Yes? Then why the fuck aren't you trying to figure out what could/can be done better so you are not facing murder charges, your families lives being threatened and your only friend will be George Zimmerman.

Unless the crowd is being threatening, I’m almost never calling a supervisor for anything routine. Camera phones are the norm now. 20 people filming is not an issue.

Not to mention, supervisors have no legal authority to tell you when to arrest and not to arrest anyone. That is 100% officer discretion (unless a specific stature requires an arrest such as some state DUI laws). So, a supervisor may give you their opinion or advice, but they have zero authority to make up your mind for you.

If you needed to call a supervisor anytime you were performing a dui or any other routine deal just because some people are filming, you’d never get anything done.

Hostile, I call for backup. I don’t care if a supervisor comes out or not. Just as long as I get some help with hostilities.

I’d have to look up the particular state this last one happened in, but there’s a fair chance once the officer suspects a DUI, no one can legally put him in a cab and send him home. This happened a ton in the 90’s and many states have made it illegal to release a DUI.

Put this in your brain bucket. How many of those leaders that made up the rules are now standing beside those two officers.
Now you can go back and read that I started this by saying once he fought and grabbed the taser. He was paid for and should be worn dirt. I was looking for another option for them.
But please go forward with the attacks on me. I am a big boy and can stand my ground. My position is clear. Yours on the other hand may land you in a cell if you continue on with the current ROE. Don't matter a bit to me either way. At this point it's sheer entertainment.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

It's Stoopid in every one of those languages.

Oh, I am sorry about that. English is only 6th language I have learned, and I never had a teacher. Learned it myself with a dictionary. Clearly I lack some skill.
Anyway, I still stay behind what I wrote.

Hold on, don't shoot, I need to call my supervisor first
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I cant speak for @DarnYankeeUSMC but all cals in my opinion especially when blacks are involved which would be the vast majority in these areas anyhow. We are talking specifically about leftist marxist cities. I would refuse to act on my own behalf. Why go to prison for following orders when your superiors up to and including the police chief, mayor, and governor face no repercussions.

Let the people in these shitholes reap what they sow.

....yeah, pretty sure thats how you get fired....

"hey sorry boss, can you come out here.....i just pulled this guy over and want to know if i should give him a ticket.....i mean, i usually know how to handle this.....but he is one of those blacks...."

 

[Snuby642]

Well fellicia I'll say goodby like this.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Those wing beats you're hearing aren't Angels...

 

[R0man]

That's a problem easy to solve. In these cities, hire and send on patrol only supervisors. No more regular cops. And a lot of social workers. They can counsel the victim while he/she is beaten or killed.

 

[Pre-64]

And doing your job in these shithole cities lands you in prison with the possibility of death while the people in charge of policy that you followed laugh at you. That is the whole freaking point that is attempted to be made. Not all LEO areas. These marxist communists ones. Damn.

But the good cops won't let the good people burn in these shit holes, not all of them can just up and leave the city. Thank goodness there are good cops willing to protect them.

 

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That's a problem easy to solve. In these cities, hire and send on patrol only supervisors. No more regular cops. And a lot of social workers. They can counsel the victim while he/she is beaten or killed.

but what if those supervisors have a question on who to arrest...best to just send the police chief himself to all calls....

 

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Seems we have another anti cop person here considering you want them all in prison and on death row. You might as well start marching with BLM.

Can you see how sarcasm doesn’t help the conversation any.

i think the sarcasm is key in making you look like an idiot......so the sarcasm stays.

 

[Snuby642]

This thread is fixing to be the cat's meow.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Just as a bit of a exercise in thought...

I wonder how many on this thread as well as in the wider public who are all going on about "things were going bad elsewhere, they should have let him get a cab".......

Were all gung ho for the MADD sponsored laws that took discretion away from the police and instituted mandatory arrests for DWI......

My guess is most in this thread championing the "just let him get a cab" if you asked them about letting drunk drivers go with getting a cab about a month ago would be of the "No they all must be arrested and punished as severely as we can"......

Nobody listens to those of us in the Cassandra profession.....