Suppressors ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 08/01/12

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

I got a couple of replies back from some of the Senators...

they are mostly fine with them for shooting, just not hunting.

one example....

Scott:

Silencers seem to me to be ok for shooting ranges and other shooting areas, but I will still have to listen to the need for them when hunting

Thanks for the message.

M. Madden
Dist. 40 Rep

 

[Cal Taylor]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Scott, I got several favorable replies. I sent out several e mails mostly concerning predator hunting and how I thought a suppressor would help in my particular situation. Fortunately a couple of my representatives are also in the sheep business and happen to have me as their trapper.

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zak Smith</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just emailed all of our Wyoming customers to contact their reps.
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Zak,
Contacted mine with lots of info provided.
Also, the American Silencer Association rep showed up today to lobby for passage of SF 132.
Gaining some traction, I hope.

Seriously, WYO residents as well as out of state suppressor owners who would like to hunt in WYO with a suppressor need to email reps and senators NOW.
Email addresses are available at the Wyoming State Legislature website:

http://legisweb.state.wy.us/LSOWEB/LegInfo.aspx

Get busy folks

John

 

[Shane C.]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Passed the second reading!

The emails really do make a difference, if I wasn't sure before, I am now.

Thanks!

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shane C.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Passed the second reading!

The emails really do make a difference, if I wasn't sure before, I am now.

Thanks! </div></div>

Great news ! what is next ??

 

[bengineer]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Third reading and a vote. Then same in house and gov signature. And waiting.

 

[Wyfox]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Third reading is tomorrow, just got an email from Senator Bebout stating that he will be supporting it.

 

[jonaddis84]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

If anybody got to the list and was intimidated by trying to email everyone, there is an excel file that you can copy and paste out of, or even better, select everything below here, copy, and paste into your email program.

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[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

just emailed everyone on the list

let's hope !

 

[bengineer]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

jonaddis84 - Thanks for the list.
I used it to send out my info packet. I have two responses so far. Both appreciative of the facts and one stated the info is swaying his indecision. The other is still a no vote for game hunting because of the lack of noise concern.
I am unsure of how to counter this. Anybody have any thoughts?

 

[Flying Goose]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

keep those crazy politicians in your thoughts today, this could be awesome for all of us if it can pass!

 

[Wyfox]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Ben, I used the popularity of archery and how the absent of noise has never been a debate for it. As fair chase I know when I shoot at an animal with a bow which has a whole lot less decibels animals still hear the shot and run.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Ben,

state the shooting of predators, prairie dogs, etc. high round count, repetitive shooting and dog towns. all the excessive noise for the public and hearing damage to the shooter.

elaborate more of course.. but a start.

 

[lanwickum]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

I really hope you guys get this through. We have one going through for hunting wolves with supressors. I don't care for hunting as much anymore after owning a few supressors. Don't like it when my ears ring.

 

[bengineer]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

I have addressed the non-game issues minimally because I don't want legislators to focus on the non-game side of this bill; I want to be able to shoot game without hearing damage! I will incorporate the archery noise level into my info in the future. Thanks for that one.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Ben,

I got a reply back from one stating same thing.. noise isn't an issue..

here is what he sent and what I sent back...


<span style="font-weight: bold">Scott:

I think you have made many valid points. Noise and hearing issues related to noise in my opinion is more of a problem on the target range and hunting non game species such as prairie dogs when multiple shots are expected.

I don't believe, however, that there are many valid reasons to have such noise silencers on game hunting trips. When I am hunting elk, I want to know about where and in what direction the shots are coming from. Also, game hunting does not involve multiple repeated shots and the accompanying noise. I have gone elk hunting during the last 10 years. I have fired 14 times during that period and took home 8 elk. I don't think my hearing has been damaged by listening to these 14 shots.

Thus, I will support it for all target and non game shooting but not game shooting.

Michael K. Madden
Dist. 40 Rep.


<span style="color: #FF0000">MY REPLY TO HIM....</span>

Mike,

I think if you talked to an Audiologist, you would be surprised on the amount of hearing damage even one shot causes, let alone repeated shots or exporsure. I encourage you to call Sheridan Audiology and talk to them.

A gunshot is equal to and most times greater than 140 decibels depending on the caliber used. Any exposure to that range of dB causes immediate and permanent hearing damage. Any sound above 85 dB causes permanent hearing loss. A gunshot is almost twice that amount !

The hearing loss is related to the power of the sound and the length of exposure. ie. More gunshots equals more permanent and damaging hearing loss.

Therefore, I think the use of suppressors would help benefit all shooters, hunters, outdoorsman and public alike.

Thanks for your reply,
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[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">GOOD NEWS SO FAR !!!!</span></span>

Additionally, the state Senate voted this morning to repeal the state prohibition on hunting with sound suppressors (which are additionally regulated under federal law) while providing additional penalties for those who use them illegally. In a 23 to 7 vote, the Senate passed Senate File 132, introduced by Senator Ogden Driskill (R-01). This bill now goes to the House for consideration, so please contactyour state Representative and politely encourage his or her support of this common-sense hunting reform measure.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Shane or Zak,

I have had a few of them ask what levels or dB reduction they (cans) make...

any real numbers I can send ?

thanks SM

 

[Zak Smith]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Unsuppressed, a centerfire rifle is about 170 dB. Suppressed, around 140 dB. These numbers are plus or minus about 3 dB.

 

[Hayden_SilencerCo]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

The American Silencer Association lobbyist Todd Rathner is on the ground in Cheyenne, and he just sent this update:

The Wyoming Hunting With Suppressors bill SF0132 will be heard in the AG Committee on Tuesday February 5th at 8am. There will likely be an amendment offered for the bill that would make it legal to only shoot varmints (prairie dogs, and coyotes) with guns equipped with a suppressor. We find this amendment to be completely unacceptable and it MUST be defeated. Every other western state but California allows hunting big game animals with suppressors (Montana is varmints only but we are currently working on that).

The primary argument against hunting big game animals with a suppressor is that it violates the tenets of "fair chase". This is an absurd argument given that all common hunting cartridges are "supersonic" meaning that the bullet will strike the animal well before it hears a sound, with or without the use of a suppressor. Also imagine if you are out hunting varmints with a suppressor but have a big game tag in your pocket you would be subject to a violation and could face fines, jail time, and hunting license revocation! That is why this amendment must be defeated.

It is critical if you live, hunt, work in, or visit Wyoming you must contact the following legislators who are on the AG Committee and POLITELY ask them to VOTE NO on ANY amendments to SF0132 and VOTE YES on the unamended bill.

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[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Emails sent to all the above.

thanks !

 

[pschuessler]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Let me know what can be done to help support this going on a antelope hunt in wyoming this year would be nice to use a suppressor on my 300wm

 

[sigsauer_pdx]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

I'm glad to hear this has made it as far as it has. Hopefully the ammendment won't make it in. I've emailed all my legislators.

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Anyone notice I started this thread 2 years ago today?

Takes awhile to get things done...

Keep up the work and e-mails.

 

[T J]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

As I am running a similar thread on LongRange Hunting. I thought I drop you a line. I too just finished emailing the list, only one reply so far:

Tyler,

SF 132 has my full support as it is.

Sincerely,

Hans Hunt

Representative Hans Hunt
House District 02


Cheers,

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

TJ...

I got same reply from him.

 

[T J]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Starting to get some good conversation here too:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f...084/index5.html

t

 

[dk17hmr]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

Emailed the whole list. Thank you guys for all your work on this. Hopefully our legislature will see the benefits of suppressors in the game field.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pschuessler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me know what can be done to help support this going on a antelope hunt in wyoming this year would be nice to use a suppressor on my 300wm </div></div>

email all the list above and urge them to support SF 132 with no amendments !!

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T J</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Starting to get some good conversation here too:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f...084/index5.html

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t,

You might direct Outlaw 6.0 to this entire thread because if he is shooting paper/steel other than indoors (apparently) he's in violation of G&F's interpretation of the legislative intent of the statute.

Which is precisely why this bill was brought forth and is being given a fair hearing.

And DT7 had an absolutely spot-on reason to not allow any amendments
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<span style="color: #FF0000">The problem I see with only allowing suppressors for varmints are those of us who hunt coyotes/prairie dogs while hunting antelope. If I have a suppressed rifle in my truck while carrying an antelope tag during open season this leaves the door open for an overzealous game officer to write a ticket based on perceived "intent". </span>end quote.



Good luck to all and keep calling and emailing support.

 

[T J]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

John,

I apologize for the confusion, I am Outlaw6.0 over there, for some reason I couldn't get that screen name here.

I've linked the threads together.

t

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

sent follow up emails to them... let's keep on um

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

In addition, you should call the House receptionist and leave message for the AG committee members above asking them to support SF132 with NO Amendments.

The House receptionist number is 307-777-7852.

Rep. Blake, Zwonitzer, Greear, Semlek and Campbell are the ones I'm not sure about their support.
Rep. Semlek offered the amendment to allow for non-game only. Please explain in your phone calls that other states allow hunting for all species and there are no apparent issues in those states.
Be polite and ask for support with No Amendments.

This is going to be heard on Tuesday Feb 5 at 8am in Committee.
If it makes it out of Committee it goes to the House Floor next.

With apologies to Les Johnson, " Let's get to dialin' ."!


That includes you out of state guys who want to shoot suppressed when you come prairie dogging!

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

everyone... please call and email

 

[HPW]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

emailed the AG committee again today. I didn't get any response from the senate to my emails, but at least it passed. Hopefully we can get our voice heard.

The biggest issue I have seen is that those in opposition are really just uninformed an suppressors. The more we can educate folks, the less likely they seem to be to oppose this.

Everyone get to the phones and emails. Out of state folks can have impact as well since they bring money to the state from hunting.

 

[T J]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

I just completed another email to all committee members.


All in,

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!! UPDATE 01/11

just hours remaining...

sent another set over the weekend myself and encouraged many friends and fellow shooters to do likewise !

 

[rpk762]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

I want to move there after dental school. I would really like to use a suppressor for hunting.

 

[Shane C.]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

It passed the committee!

Keep the emails and calls coming still has to go through 3 readings in the house.

 

[varmint slayer]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Great news Shane! One step closer. Keep flooding their email boxes with positive talking points!

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

as mentioned

Today, the state House Agriculture, State and Public Lands and Water Resources Committee voted 6 to 3 to repeal the state prohibition on hunting with sound suppressors (which are additionally regulated under federal law) while providing additional penalties for those who use them illegally. Representatives Dan Zwonitzer (R-43), Rita Campbell (R-34), and Stan Blake (D-39) voted against this bill. Last week, the state Senate voted 23 to 7 to pass Senate File 132, introduced by Senator Ogden Driskill (R-01). This bill is now eligible for a final vote of approval in the House, which could be held as early as tomorrow. This is your last chance to contact your state Representative and politely encourage his or her support of this common sense hunting reform measure.

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

<span style="color: #FF0000">SF 132 passed the House Ag Committee hearing this morning by a vote of 6-3.</span>

Thanks to testimony from Shane Coppinger (whom I had NEVER seen in a coat and tie before) of Thunderbeast Arms in Cheyenne, Todd Rathner of the American Silencer Association and several other outstanding citizens who spoke on behalf of the bill, <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">SF 312 moves to the Committee of the Whole TOMORROW on Wednesday Feb. 6, 2013</span>.</span> A time is not specified. The House AG Committee members will discuss their vote and make a recommendation to the Whole House on the bill.

This will be the <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">First Reading</span></span>. The House will have discussion on the Bill, allowing members to speak on recommendations for or against the bill as it stands, or to offer amendments.

<span style="font-weight: bold">We can expect that someone will offer an Amendment to only allow non-game and predators to be hunted with a suppressor, stripping game animals from the Bill</span>. The WY G&F Wardens Association mounted considerable opposition to the Bill this morning in the AG Committee. Any Amendments will be voted on as well. The Bill could stand as written or with Amendments.

The next day, on <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Thursday Feb. 7, 2013 the bill will have its Second Reading</span></span> in the House with the same process as before.

Finally, on <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Friday Feb 8, 2013, SF132 will have its Third Reading</span></span>, the final one before it goes back to the Senate.

NOW,and THE NEXT THREE DAYS is the time we, YOU AND I, really need to make our voices heard if we want to change State law.
We want it to proceed with NO AMENDMENTS.
(AMENDMENTS MAY KILL IT.)

<span style="color: #FF0000">Please call the House Receptionist at 307-777-7852 and ask the house members to support SF 132 with NO Amendments.</span>

Also, please <span style="color: #FF0000">email the House members </span>at the following addresses. This is the complete list:

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EDITED TO CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR BLEVINS/BYRD/DAVISON AND GREEAR

Edited to correct email address for Wilson

 

[jonaddis84]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

just fired one off and sent to the rest of my pdogging group to do the same

 

[jonaddis84]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Is anybody getting a bunch of undeliverable notifications? Wonder if some of them have blocked gmail accounts or something

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

EDITED TO CORRECT EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR BLEVINS/BYRD/DAVISON AND GREEAR.

Sorry, the book I had, has them wrong.
These 4 are now correct.

 

[HPW]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Just sent another round of emails. Don't forget to thank the members that voted to pass this to the full house.

 

[LWILLIAMS]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Emailed everyone thus far. I hope everyone steps up and continues to let them know that we want this here in Wyoming.

 

[Sendero_Man]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

emailed everyone as well... again

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Scott,
Rep. Madden is apparently unshakeable is his determination to vote against using a suppressor for big game hunting.
A least he replies. I appreciate that.
There are 59 others to convince.....

John

 

[T J]

Re: ATTN: WYOMING SUPRESSOR OWNERS!!!!! UPDATE 3/9/12

Just finished emailing the entire list.

Go get'em


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