Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

opeagle

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Hold on here we go, another loose cannon doing reloading, I'm still laughing like he'll....

Ok. First my story.
In my quest to reload .308 my loving significant other purchased a Co Ax for me.
I have added Forster Ultra National Match dies.
A Lee universal de-capper.
A Frankford Arsenal Quick and EZ case tumbler kit.
A Thumblers Tumbler with SS media.
A bullet puller.
The ABC's of reloading.
The Sierra reloading manual.

My obvious first steps were to de-prime and clean the Federal brass I had on hand. I used the Lee die and de-primed the 242 pieces I have on hand. I split them into three groups and tumbled them in the Thumblers.
Overall thoughts thus far. I appreciated the Lee die and it's construction. The way it allows the pin to slide up and not break saved me already. I managed to get a few cases off center or something and found this feature before I knew I needed it.
I chose not to re-size until after the cleaning.
Like others I have added a brace to the motor of the tumbler. Mine happens to be a small piece of stainless to give the tumbler some bling. I rinsed the media three or four times between batches and they all came out looking good. The last batch had two pieces with pins in the primer holes. No big deal to remove, the primer pockets did not get as clean as the others but it's still clean enough. Drying is important. My first batch was interrupted by the other half needing to cook dinner. This group didn't quite have the bling of the others but a quick trip through the vibratory took care of the water spots they had. I tried three and four hour tumbles, they will all be four hours from now on. The primer pockets are just enough cleaner to justify the last hour.

Now here is where I solicit input. My next steps seem to be primer pocket uniforming and trimming to length. While I am not really brand specific, I do want quality tools that I won't have to replace. That said I can only put so much into it at a time. I would rather wait a bit and get the better tool than by something cheaper just to replace it in six months.

I need suggestions for the above plus some thoughts on a powder measure or dispenser.

Thanks in advance.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

Depends on the level you want to take it to. Many would say no need to worry about primer pockets and length ( as long as they aren't too long). With that is would say buy a powder dispenser. There are a lot of good manual ones but if you have the ability to spend the money on a chragemaster do it. I loaded a couple thousand rounds without one and won't be doing that again. If it was me I would buy the chargemaste and hold off on the trimmer and uniformer.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

Well, my advice would be to just shoot out that federal brass of yours until it dies. You generally tend to get low brass life out of the federal stuff.

If you could move on to Lapua .308 brass you will be very happy with the product, and it requires virtually no prep work.

By all means feel free to purchase primer pocket uniformers, but sometimes its just not needed.

Now, if you are shooting long range I would say go for it. If you do decide to go this route, Sinclairs sells some wonderful products.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

Sorry, my post was not clear.

One of the steps I think I need is the primer pocket uniformer.

Another step is the case OAL length trimming.
 
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You are off to great start.

I would only spend money on a Giraud for trimming (or go without).

I have a pretty good selection of manuals and rarely use them. There is a ton of information online that is constantly updated so I would save your money.

As for tools, I would get a good set of calipers and some gauges. Either a Mo gauge/RCBS precision mic, Hornady comparator set, and Hornady COAL gauge.

I use a Harrell Premium powder measure and get very good results with it. It is very "technique" sensitive but accurate.

For balances, unless you are going to purchase a "real" electronic balance, I would go for the balance beam variety.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opeagle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, my post was not clear.

One of the steps I think I need is the primer pocket uniformer.

Another step is the case OAL length trimming.

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I have the Lyman Xpress prep center for primer pocket uniforming and also do flash hole deburring on it. Very well thought out, catches the shaving nicely and is pretty reasonably priced. You can also just buy a primer pocket uniformer and chuck it up in a drill if you like also.

Case trimming, it seems like Wilson or the Sinclair version are pretty popular for being very precise, Giraud trimmers are in my "I'm going to buy some day" list.
I have the Hornady cam lock trimmer with the RCBS 3 way cutter head and for the amount I reload that combo has worked fine for me so far. The drill adapter isn't a must have but its much more enjoyable with it and will buy you some time to save up for the Giraud.

Powder dispensers, Charge master gets a big +1 from me too. Man its fast and very easy to use.

Good luck !
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

Thanks for the replies.

I do have dial calipers and basic hand tools. Someone will have to educated me on "real" electronic scales.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: opeagle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies.

I do have dial calipers and basic hand tools. Someone will have to educated me on "real" electronic scales. </div></div>

Chargemaster every time, worth every penny.
 
Re: Baby steps and my thoughts thus far

Digital scales are made with 2 different technologies.The less expensive are based on strain gauge technology with its inherent warm up time and variation,but lower cost.The other technology is electromagnetic force restoration which is fast, accurate ,and stable,but more expensive.There are many strain gauge based scales including the chargemaster which are very good,but if you want to weigh a kernel of powder down to the thousandth of a grain look at a Sartorius GD503.
If you have 3 grand and 3 years to wait a Promethius II is perhaps the ultimate.