Hunting & Fishing Best coyote calls, bait?

Norm

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We're having an influx of coyotes and coy-dogs in the neighborhood...what's the best bait and/or call to bring them within range. Would prefer bait and or a remote electronic call to bring them to a specific area of the yard with a hillside as a backstop so they can be dispatched with a .22 LR without alarming/ bullets ricocheting over the neighbors.

Thanks!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would check to see if discharging a weapon in the "neighborhood" is even legal before I would do any neighborhood coyote hunting. </div></div>

Why?

Are you saying that shooting dangerous rabies carrying, pet eating varmits in your own back yard is against the law in Kalifornia? Huh...

Seriously, my "neighborhood" is out in the country (my "yard" is ten acres surrounded by woods). I just want to find a reliable way to draw the 'yotes into a shooting lane against a hillside so I can pick 'em off from my back porch with a .22 with minimal chance of bullets exiting the property. You know, the Great American Passtime: just sit out there in a Lazyboy with an ice chest and nail any varmits that happen to show up...
 
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i say shoot em all, out here they are havin pups and being a predator/scavanger they will come in and eat on dead livestock or deer etc... but that gets smelly stinky in the warm weather, also baiting is not allowed in some states, but i have called them in this time of year with a coyote pup in distress, or a bleating fawn with my R. Anderson calls, works well you should give em a try if you haven't.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would check to see if discharging a weapon in the "neighborhood" is even legal before I would do any neighborhood coyote hunting. </div></div>

Why?

Are you saying that shooting dangerous rabies carrying, pet eating varmits in your own back yard is against the law in Kalifornia? Huh...

Seriously, my "neighborhood" is out in the country (my "yard" is ten acres surrounded by woods). I just want to find a reliable way to draw the 'yotes into a shooting lane against a hillside so I can pick 'em off from my back porch with a .22 with minimal chance of bullets exiting the property. You know, the Great American Passtime: just sit out there in a Lazyboy with an ice chest and nail any varmits that happen to show up...</div></div>

yes, discharging a firearm in ANY city limit is illegal unless at a designated shooting range.

I am not sure if this applies to the "neck" states or not?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would check to see if discharging a weapon in the "neighborhood" is even legal before I would do any neighborhood coyote hunting. </div></div>

Why?

Are you saying that shooting dangerous rabies carrying, pet eating varmits in your own back yard is against the law in Kalifornia? Huh...

Seriously, my "neighborhood" is out in the country (my "yard" is ten acres surrounded by woods). I just want to find a reliable way to draw the 'yotes into a shooting lane against a hillside so I can pick 'em off from my back porch with a .22 with minimal chance of bullets exiting the property. You know, the Great American Passtime: just sit out there in a Lazyboy with an ice chest and nail any varmits that happen to show up... </div></div>

Well that may be but you have no profile so we have no idea where your neck of the woods is. Even with that it could still be illegal for you to discharge a weapon in your area. Could be illegal to discharge a weapon while hunting being that close to the house. Baiting could be illegal in your neck of the woods as well.
We have no idea, fill out your profile or indicated where this is and you might get more help.

Don't count on the .22 not leaving the property. In fact the .22 will ricochet easier because the bullet is not moving fast enough to break up upon impact if you miss.

That being said you are better off using a call then placing out bait. Shooting over a dead cow or dear is not bait that you placed so unless you get a lot of dead deer or cows on the property I would stick to the call, or just wait and watch. If they are there all the time then one will come by soon enough.

 
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Small note on the baiting. Unless your yotes are very use to people and their scent,might take several weeks of feeding(baitng), before they will even come to your shooting spot. I hung several pounds of raw chicken from a tree along a well traveled pathway. Took a week for the repeaded scent left behind from the rubber boots covered in blood to loss the human factor. But it ended in several yotes folded up. Hide was 230 yds up a slope,next to the woods,in the shadows. Baiting is hard work on a keen nosed predator.
 
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My favorite call is a Lohman Circe three tone caller. One call and three levels of loudness. It is a rabbit distress mouth call but I do not know if it would work in your situation. You would probably be better off with a Fox Pro with a remote the way you are wanting to set up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RTA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Small note on the baiting. Unless your yotes are very use to people and their scent,might take several weeks of feeding(baitng), before they will even come to your shooting spot. I hung several pounds of raw chicken from a tree along a well traveled pathway. Took a week for the repeaded scent left behind from the rubber boots covered in blood to loss the human factor. But it ended in several yotes folded up. Hide was 230 yds up a slope,next to the woods,in the shadows. Baiting is hard work on a keen nosed predator. </div></div>

Thanks for the info!

These 'yotes are big and not afraid of humans, so I assume they are coy dogs. I see them frequently near the house at dusk, dawn and night, so I don't think scent is much of an issue. We have small children, so I am concerned. One stalked within 50 yards of my 9 year old daughter last year before we noticed it, but eventually ran off before my wife could bring the rifle.

Saw one in broad daylight the other day. Could that mean it's rabid? I have shot a skunk and a 'coon in recent years caught out during broad daylight acting erratically and aggressively. Shame on me for not checking my local ordinances and hunting regs before I dispatched them!
 
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Exactly, why should you have to find local regs when you or your family could be in jeopardy, kind of like me not being able to own a handgun when a armed robber breakes in. good luck off'n the bastards.
 
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Go to the pound get a bitch chain her to a tree even better if she is intact or in heat...As for calls usually a bitch negates that need. Works great on wolves as well I hear... Stay close on the bitch they come quick and sneaky from what I hear..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Saw one in broad daylight the other day. Could that mean it's rabid? I have shot a skunk and a 'coon in recent years caught out during broad daylight acting erratically and aggressively. Shame on me for not checking my local ordinances and hunting regs before I dispatched them! </div></div>

No it does not mean they are rabid. It just means you saw a coyote in the daytime.

Protecting ones family from a rabid animal is fine if the animal is a threat or rabid, but it also means contacting the proper authorities letting them know what has occurred. Especially if shooting or hunting is prohibited inside the city limits.

You’re not going to pop a bad guy and then not call the authorities about what just happened are you?


 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Saw one in broad daylight the other day. Could that mean it's rabid? I have shot a skunk and a 'coon in recent years caught out during broad daylight acting erratically and aggressively. Shame on me for not checking my local ordinances and hunting regs before I dispatched them! </div></div>

No it does not mean they are rabid. It just means you saw a coyote in the daytime.

Protecting ones family from a rabid animal is fine if the animal is a threat or rabid, but it also means contacting the proper authorities letting them know what has occurred. Especially if shooting or hunting is prohibited inside the city limits.

You’re not going to pop a bad guy and then not call the authorities about what just happened are you?


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Oh, gosh, Heavens to Betsy, no!!!

Of course, we all know that every aspect of life is oh so much better when you summon the gubment to get involved. They always straighten everything out and make things better!

You know, over the years I've called the county animal control "authorities" a dozen or more times to set traps, poison, whatever to get rid of these coy dogs before some little kid gets attacked paying in his own back yard, never mind about all the pets that have "mysteriously disappeared." You know what their response was? The sound of one hand clapping. I've never even gotten a single call back...and the 'yotes continue to multiply and get bigger and bolder.

So, my conclusion is that the "authorities" are either totally ineffectual, or they just don't even give a shit.

Are you SURE you "HateCA"?




 
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I believe all Randy was trying to say is that you should at least cover your bases and then have at it. If you ask and they don't tell you no, then go right ahead. You are of more use to your family when you are not getting fined or taken away for questioning. I do not agree with all the laws that the legislators think up...just sayin'. Also, HateCa (Randy) is well known and respected around the site because he is an accomplished gunsmith and is well involved with the law enforcement community. If you see someone posting a gun as being from R&D precision that is his work. Just some words of caution...you make your own calls.
 
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Norm, We do give a s#$%. You arent contacting the right people.

I work for the United States Department of Agriculture, APHIS, Wildlife Services. Our agency has a work force in most of the western states. I would suggest contacting Wildlife Services for help with your urban coyote-coydog problem.

It is mandatory that we respond to all wildlife damage calls.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Saw one in broad daylight the other day. Could that mean it's rabid? I have shot a skunk and a 'coon in recent years caught out during broad daylight acting erratically and aggressively. Shame on me for not checking my local ordinances and hunting regs before I dispatched them! </div></div>

No it does not mean they are rabid. It just means you saw a coyote in the daytime.

Protecting ones family from a rabid animal is fine if the animal is a threat or rabid, but it also means contacting the proper authorities letting them know what has occurred. Especially if shooting or hunting is prohibited inside the city limits.

You’re not going to pop a bad guy and then not call the authorities about what just happened are you?


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Oh, gosh, Heavens to Betsy, no!!!

Of course, we all know that every aspect of life is oh so much better when you summon the gubment to get involved. They always straighten everything out and make things better!

You know, over the years I've called the county animal control "authorities" a dozen or more times to set traps, poison, whatever to get rid of these coy dogs before some little kid gets attacked paying in his own back yard, never mind about all the pets that have "mysteriously disappeared." You know what their response was? The sound of one hand clapping. I've never even gotten a single call back...and the 'yotes continue to multiply and get bigger and bolder.

So, my conclusion is that the "authorities" are either totally ineffectual, or they just don't even give a shit.

Are you SURE you "HateCA"?

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Yes I'm sure of who I am.

The deal is you want to “hunt” coyotes in your "yard” (By baiting and or calling). That's all fine and well, and if it's legal and safe have at it. Even then it still might not be a good idea if you are worried about rounds leaving you property. You want to bait coyotes in your yard. That's illegal in some states.

If you or anyone is threatened by a coyote or a two legged animal I'm all for doing what is necessary. But if that comes to gunfire my advice is contact whoever is the responsible agency to let them know that you now have a dead rabid coyote or a dead two legged animal to come and pick up. In some jurisdictions a phone call to the local authorities is required (especially within city limits) when a weapon is discharged when it was unrelated to hunting activities whether it be an accident or intentional.

Try reading the post and comprehending what you were asking and what is being suggested instead of having the three "S" mentality. If that is what someone chooses to do then they may just find themselves in deep shit.

Somehow your post got turned from shooting (hunting) wondering coyotes in your yard to taking out a coyote that was rabid and attacking a loved one. Totally different situation. If that's the case that's not hunting that's protecting and the laws are different.

If someone wishes to violate or circumvent the laws in ones state, county, or city, whether it being hunting or otherwise, then one should be willing to accept the consequences.

So if you're so sure you know it all then way are you coming here asking for advice? Seems to me you already seem to know what you want to do so go do it, why do you need any of use to give you any help or advice?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Saw one in broad daylight the other day. Could that mean it's rabid? I have shot a skunk and a 'coon in recent years caught out during broad daylight acting erratically and aggressively. Shame on me for not checking my local ordinances and hunting regs before I dispatched them! </div></div>

No it does not mean they are rabid. It just means you saw a coyote in the daytime.

Protecting ones family from a rabid animal is fine if the animal is a threat or rabid, but it also means contacting the proper authorities letting them know what has occurred. Especially if shooting or hunting is prohibited inside the city limits.

You’re not going to pop a bad guy and then not call the authorities about what just happened are you?


</div></div>

Oh, gosh, Heavens to Betsy, no!!!

Of course, we all know that every aspect of life is oh so much better when you summon the gubment to get involved. They always straighten everything out and make things better!

You know, over the years I've called the county animal control "authorities" a dozen or more times to set traps, poison, whatever to get rid of these coy dogs before some little kid gets attacked paying in his own back yard, never mind about all the pets that have "mysteriously disappeared." You know what their response was? The sound of one hand clapping. I've never even gotten a single call back...and the 'yotes continue to multiply and get bigger and bolder.

So, my conclusion is that the "authorities" are either totally ineffectual, or they just don't even give a shit.

Are you SURE you "HateCA"?

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Yes I'm sure of who I am.

The deal is you want to “hunt” coyotes in your "yard” (By baiting and or calling). That's all fine and well, and if it's legal and safe have at it. Even then it still might not be a good idea if you are worried about rounds leaving you property. You want to bait coyotes in your yard. That's illegal in some states.

If you or anyone is threatened by a coyote or a two legged animal I'm all for doing what is necessary. But if that comes to gunfire my advice is contact whoever is the responsible agency to let them know that you now have a dead rabid coyote or a dead two legged animal to come and pick up. In some jurisdictions a phone call to the local authorities is required (especially within city limits) when a weapon is discharged when it was unrelated to hunting activities whether it be an accident or intentional.

Try reading the post and comprehending what you were asking and what is being suggested instead of having the three "S" mentality. If that is what someone chooses to do then they may just find themselves in deep shit.

Somehow your post got turned from shooting (hunting) wondering coyotes in your yard to taking out a coyote that was rabid and attacking a loved one. Totally different situation. If that's the case that's not hunting that's protecting and the laws are different.

If someone wishes to violate or circumvent the laws in ones state, county, or city, whether it being hunting or otherwise, then one should be willing to accept the consequences.

So if you're so sure you know it all then way are you coming here asking for advice? Seems to me you already seem to know what you want to do so go do it, why do you need any of use to give you any help or advice?
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Thanks all for the advice and information, especially about the various baits and calls.

I did talk to one of the local authorities I know about my situation: he told me to follow the "Three S" rule.
 
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1- predatormasters.com thats a good place to start.

2- aguila sss 60gr. .22's, a subsonic .22 that works as quietly as possible. midwayusa.com

3- .22 cleaning rod, remove bullet from a .22 shell, add cotten, top with wax to keep powder in place. Place shell in rifle, and cleaning rod in barrel, place a piece of tape over the end of the barrel, very quiet, good for backyards, etc. blue

 
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strick & sormi are on the right track. A couple of feral cats or better yet a shitz yew or chiwahwah doggie tied up to a stake by the neck real good, then break a couple of legs. Be sure to wear rubber boots at the bait site. The howling/screaming of the live bait will bring the yotes on a dead run....no call needed....after ya dispatch the yotes....ya can move back some and try your hand at finishing off the bait. Mind you now, I never done none of this before, but I hear tell of folks doing it.... good luck! lol shoot em all let some one else do the sortin out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Weasethis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">strick & sormi are on the right track. A couple of feral cats or better yet a shitz yew or chiwahwah doggie tied up to a stake by the neck real good, then break a couple of legs. Be sure to wear rubber boots at the bait site. The howling/screaming of the live bait will bring the yotes on a dead run....no call needed....after ya dispatch the yotes....ya can move back some and try your hand at finishing off the bait. Mind you now, I never done none of this before, but I hear tell of folks doing it.... good luck! lol shoot em all let some one else do the sortin out. </div></div>

If I did that to our yap dogs, I would soon be poisoned by my family!

Our little rodent-like yap dog, 8 lbs. with a brain the size of a gum ball, does a pretty good job calling in the 'yotes. The other night while I was out, I got a frantic call from my wife that the crested rodent had attacked a coyote in our yard. Apparently our dog was running circles around the 'yote and yapping, with the 'yote looking at her like WTF is your problem? I guess the 'yote wasn't hungry, because our dog survived.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Weasethis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">strick & sormi are on the right track. A couple of feral cats or better yet a shitz yew or chiwahwah doggie tied up to a stake by the neck real good, then break a couple of legs. Be sure to wear rubber boots at the bait site. The howling/screaming of the live bait will bring the yotes on a dead run....no call needed....after ya dispatch the yotes....ya can move back some and try your hand at finishing off the bait. Mind you now, I never done none of this before, but I hear tell of folks doing it.... good luck! lol shoot em all let some one else do the sortin out. </div></div>
Uh, why would you want to hurt a pet to kill some yotes, it defeats the purpose of protecting them.
 
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Half the time this spring turkey hunting when we would hit the turkey call a coyote would pop out of the woods. We shot several. Best way to deal with coyotes is with a large treble hook tied to a branch in a tree with small steel cable. You place the hook high enough so that the coyotes front legs can't touch the ground. Bait with chicken or rabbit. Now when you guys flame for being cruel I will refer you to the two ranchers that keep calling me for help. They keep finding their calfs mauled. One dead calf is what $2000 lose of income...
 
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I would have to say forget the bait get you an electronic caller and use pup distress and rabbit or fawn distress you should have no trouble calling them into range. I use everything from custom made calls to electronics when I hunt yotes good luck on puttin the hurt on them and remember to play the wind when calling

Charlie
 
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+1 on dan thompson calls. my super secret yote bait is as follows, one pound of chicken livers put into a jar. leave the lid a little loose. set outside in the sun for a week. take the jar to the potential kill site. inhale and hold your breath while taking the lid off. gentley toss jar and run like hell before the smell knocks you out. very stinky but it works like magic.