Yeah, the muzzle device had instructions in the little box and a packet full of shims in a sealed clear plastic bag, just like when you purchase the muzzle devices separately. They're the same product. If you have the flash hider, I don't think it needs to be timed like the muzzle brake does to work correctly with the can off. I'll go pull out my packaging tomorrow and take a look.
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OMG, what a freaking flamethrower!!! Barley better than the RC2 at night. Come on Surefire, it is 2024, you really can't figure out a way to integrate better flash hiding? Sadly people will buy it without doing any research because it sure Surefire on the side of it.
I have been reading a lot of good things about the Liberty Precision Machine Torch for flash hiding and low pressure. If I didn't have my Sand Man S this would be on my short list. CAT performs well but good luck proving you have all their components on if you get a baffle strike (hard pass for me).
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I'm running a HUXWRX 762 stainless as a village bicycle. It rides on everything from a 5.56 SCAR SBR to a NEMO 300 WM. Also runs on a Kalashnikov USA KR103. AKs are notoriously over gassed and I've never had an issue with these suppressors. Reducing bolt carrier group velocity/speed is a real issue on gas guns and can lead to some premature wear on those systems.
I use the new HUXWRX Ti version on a lightweight back country 7PRC rig. Great cans.
I use the new HUXWRX Ti version on a lightweight back country 7PRC rig. Great cans.
The HuxWrx has decent night vision results too and it is a proven suppressor and proven company. I have a Dead Air Sandman S and I love it, does what I need it to do but I run piston ARs and now a JAKL so gas in my face isn't an issue. If I ran DI I would not have bought it.
I know that one of the Surefire muzzle devices causes a bigger then normal flash (maybe the closed tine flash hider). I use the comp and do not have that flash issue but I have only shot two 77 grain ammos out of it. My 556 flow burps fire every six or seven rounds. As long as we are talking about bright things at night, the Hux heats up really quick and you can see the glow with both nods and thermal after just a mag or so.
I am interested to see how the new B&T srbs line of suppressors stack up. They are hub compatible and low back pressure which are both a must for me. The srbs 556 compact titanium only weighs 11 oz.
OP requested HUB compatible, so I'm not sure why the Huxwrx Flow (Not HUB, is proprietary QD) series was garnering so much attention, but no mention of the Ventum series (HUB Compatible)?
^^^Out of the two, the Flow is apparently quieter than the Ventum so you have a choice of either a "better" suppressor or one that's HUB compatible. One of the reasons I always mention the Radical Defense cans is due to the fact they're flow through, really work according to tests, and they're HUB compatible.
Does the RC3 use an additive process for production like the Flows? If so, and that can was relatively new, it's still burning off residual powder from the manufacturing process. Any 3-D printed can goes through this and they get less sparky as a result. Wondering if the photos above, illustrating poor flash performance, is a result of that. Never even considered those cans due to the extortion pricing.
Does the RC3 use an additive process for production like the Flows? If so, and that can was relatively new, it's still burning off residual powder from the manufacturing process. Any 3-D printed can goes through this and they get less sparky as a result. Wondering if the photos above, illustrating poor flash performance, is a result of that. Never even considered those cans due to the extortion pricing.
Same here, the SureFire RC3 has that big pricetag burden, so I'm not looking at them either. They are for a different market, different customer base. Deep Pockets going to war.
I was looking at the RD CS3 this morning, considering a hybrid, flow thru design for use on AR platforms, and HUB compatible. It's also available, where many others are not.
I saw other threads calling the Huxwrx Flow a HUB can, but it's not.
I'm paying more attention to quality these days, and one indicator is runout, or lack of a precision bore. Does anyone know if any of these new flow thru cans, made with Ti, have any manufacturing problems with runout?
I also saw the thread discussion of CGS and problems with Ti powder, but I have not seen any details on that problem. Could someone please point me at a thread that talks about that? I was considering CGS until I saw that.
I was looking at the RD CS3 this morning, considering a hybrid, flow thru design for use on AR platforms, and HUB compatible. It's also available, where many others are not.
I saw other threads calling the Huxwrx Flow a HUB can, but it's not.
I'm paying more attention to quality these days, and one indicator is runout, or lack of a precision bore. Does anyone know if any of these new flow thru cans, made with Ti, have any manufacturing problems with runout?
I also saw the thread discussion of CGS and problems with Ti powder, but I have not seen any details on that problem. Could someone please point me at a thread that talks about that? I was considering CGS until I saw that.
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No runout issues on the Flow 762 or older HD 762Ti that I have. Both are Titanium and zero runout issues, checked with alignment rod and they've been perfect on all my rifles. Just because something is an additive process doesn't mean it can't be machined after the fact. No knowledge who does or does not in fact machine the bore after printing, just stating. I think there's a lot of internet gossip that gets blown out of proportion. I've done precision testing on a bolt gun and both were just as good in terms of precision as well as return to zero after removing and re-attaching the suppressor as a standard baffle can. That's a sample size of one so...
I have the RD CS3 in Haynes 282 in time out. It's in a single person trust so I won't get the quick individual filer turn-around times but hoping it won't be as bad as it has been in the past. I'm considering just doing an individual on a titanium LS3.
With the CGS cans, there was a lot of leftover powder that was making its way back into the rifle bore and action. Any 3D printed can is going to have some residual dust that'll come off under pressure which is why they spark. But with the CGS, it was a considerable amount of powder.
I have the RD CS3 in Haynes 282 in time out. It's in a single person trust so I won't get the quick individual filer turn-around times but hoping it won't be as bad as it has been in the past. I'm considering just doing an individual on a titanium LS3.
With the CGS cans, there was a lot of leftover powder that was making its way back into the rifle bore and action. Any 3D printed can is going to have some residual dust that'll come off under pressure which is why they spark. But with the CGS, it was a considerable amount of powder.
I have a Nemo Omen Match 3.0 in 300 WM. I normally run a Trash Panda on it, and the results are, well they have tended to be somewhat good and somewhat bad, shall we just say "mixed bag" results. How do you like the HUXWRX with your Nemo? Which particular model NEMO are you running?
Any flow through can with HUB threads that would allow you to mount a Plan B adapter would work. So the Hux Ventum, SiCo Velos, LPM Torch, etc.
The cat wb from the reviews I can find is sounding like it might be a top contender. Hub, low back pressure, light weight and low flash.
That does look to be a really good choice for your 5.56 carbines. You are unmoved about the enduring shitstorm that CAT is taking over their marketing / warranty arrogance? You wont find much of it here, but it is alive and well over at Reddit. I dont know why that is either. I have a theory that forums are where old skool hangs out, mostly. The younger folk seem to like the reddit better.
Anyway, take care of that WB and I am certain you will be very happy with it. Just dont break it. I had a CAT ODB Ti in my hands a couple times, and gave it back because of the unknown entity that the CAT company represents.
I have quite a few rounds through a flow on a gas gun and it worked well, but i wanted to use my hellfire mounts, so i have a ventum 762 on order. I got to shoot one on an M240 last week and was impressed, though I don’t have a lot of experience on that gun with cans to compare gas blowback.
My local RSO suggested I take a look at the CAT offerings last weekend when I was running in a particularly gassy ZPAPA M92 (with a Nomad L) and brought out several of their offerings.
Did some digging when I got home and while their marketing is horrible, the tests and first hand accounts that I found were glowing.
I was really struggling with it but thought, what the hell... placed an order yesterday for an ODB in titanium when it popped up on SS. I went with the QD mount because if something does go wrong they can't claim it was due to some other company's hardware.
As for titanium vs inconel, this was an interesting video... particularly around 15:30...
"Bobby said, I don't know why anyone would buy that fucking inconel one unless they were suppressing a belt fed"
To be clear, that was Bobby West quoted who owns CGS and is ultimately responsible for the warranty on both CGS and CAT suppressors.
Take it for what it's worth. We'll see how this all pans out over the next few years but if the one on the hook is that confident and his livelyhood is at stake, I like those odds.
Did some digging when I got home and while their marketing is horrible, the tests and first hand accounts that I found were glowing.
I was really struggling with it but thought, what the hell... placed an order yesterday for an ODB in titanium when it popped up on SS. I went with the QD mount because if something does go wrong they can't claim it was due to some other company's hardware.
As for titanium vs inconel, this was an interesting video... particularly around 15:30...
"Bobby said, I don't know why anyone would buy that fucking inconel one unless they were suppressing a belt fed"
To be clear, that was Bobby West quoted who owns CGS and is ultimately responsible for the warranty on both CGS and CAT suppressors.
Take it for what it's worth. We'll see how this all pans out over the next few years but if the one on the hook is that confident and his livelyhood is at stake, I like those odds.
Would you mind comparing the Hux 6k to the flow 762 on a 6mm arc gas gun? Curious if the FRP and any other performance is substantially different enough to warrant getting the 6k over the Flow 762.
I will and I am not being snarky.
The 762 will suppress 30 cal, 6mm, 5.56
The 6 can will suppress 6 and 5.56
The 5.56 will suppress 5.56
Behind the gun, they all sound the same to the shooter. I think you would need a sound meter to notice any difference. I have done nothing to see if groups are more accurate when you match a caliber to a specific suppressor.
Agree. Have all 3. I can’t tell between 6 and 762 on an 18” 6arc gun. Just a size difference between 556 and 762. At this point, I just wouldn’t buy anything but a Flow 762 for anything. There is zero practical reason. I’m sure a machine can measure some difference, but human ears can’t.
Based on what I've seen in real world testing, titanium cans are spark monsters. My main requirement for a can is signature reduction, so perhaps that is functionality Bobby doesn't feel is important.
I shot with a guy this weekend, running a KAC 556 QDC CRS/PTR on a 14.5”. I’m not a KAC fanboi by any means but holy shit did that thing sound good. It was daytime, so I can’t say how the light signature is but I couldn’t see any light or smoke with IMI Razor ammo. I didn’t notice any first round pop either. I was impressed enough to go looking when I got home. Of corse, sold out everywhere I looked….
And it'll do over 300 rounds of continuous full-auto on a belt-fed machine gun.
That's why it weighs what it does. Not saying that most people need or care about that; but for the program that it was built for, durability and robustness were highly rated factors.
I have a CAT WB718 and it is astonishing. 12oz. Size of a K can. Run it on an 11.5” Spear LT SBR. Quietest 5.56 can I own. Zero gas in face. Zero flash. I may well buy another.
19.2 OZ and quite frankly the combined weight of the suppressor + mount is roughly equivalent to a Surefire RC2/RC3 due to how heavy the SF mounts are.
I've been reading alot of good things about this can. *Sorely* tempted, but the baggage that comes with SpectersCAT (and CGS by association) is just too much for me.
A fellow on /r/NFA has put together a spreadsheet in past couple weeks of all available flow cans. That is, it's a recent list. If you're interested in flow thru cans, it's a good resource.
Yes. In the photo I had it in the wrong slot because mine was in the first batch and didn’t come with instructions or the conical screws.
If $1100 is a massive purchase to you that’s fair, but in the ocean of what many of us have spent on guns/NV/suppressors/etc, gambling the WB718 price to have what may well be the best 5.56 can on the market feels like a small wave. I have no reason to believe it will ever even need warranty repair; not a single one of my dozens of silencers has ever had a warranty issue. If it does, I think there is a reasonable chance CAT will stand behind it. It doesn’t feel like a huge risk.
Silencershop is the only distributor. Best move is to backorder with them and they will fulfill when batches arrive.
The additive manufactured "3D printed" cans have residual titanium flakes/dust from the manufacturing process and they burn off with use. Sparking is greatly reduced after initial break-in and it becomes a non-issue. Powder choice and barrel length make more of an impact on flash than titanium construction once the residual powder burns off.
My first Hux flow burped fire every 4 or 5 shots fired for quite a while. When I followed the cleaning directions, it completely stopped and no longer sparks.
That makes my next suppressor purchase a really challenging decision based on @ut755ln experience . I am trying to choose between the hux ventum and the cat wb 718. The only thing holding me back from the hux ventum is that I am concerned that it will not suppress flash well. But @ut755ln you are making me want to give the hux ventum a try based on your experience. The only thing holding me back from ordering a cat wb is that is is not in stock 
Well I think that CGS is a good company and they have had several suppressors picked up under contract by both military and law enforcement. It kind of feels like the CAT line may be their version of a direct to civilian marketing effort. The CGS can I used was an Iconel really solid suppressor that most reminded me of a Surefire RC2 (and I mean that as a compliment). The only negative that I have heard is that CGS has not had great customer service but I have no direct experience with it.That makes my next suppressor purchase a really challenging decision based on @ut755ln experience . I am trying to choose between the hux ventum and the cat wb 718. The only thing holding me back from the hux ventum is that I am concerned that it will not suppress flash well. But @ut755ln you are making me want to give the hux ventum a try based on your experience. The only thing holding me back from ordering a cat wb is that is is not in stock
My understanding is that most 3D printed titanium cans burp fire for a while because of dust. Like I said, I shot mine and then did their old cleaning method which was to soak it in clp over night then drain it and shoot it. No issues since then.
These are my short list choices for a flow type can, with "best" defined as these attributes:
Requirements: 7.62 and (Hard Use / Inconel / 17-4 Steel / Haynes 282) and (Flow / Low Back Pressure) and Hub Compatible.
No Ti cans, even if they market as hard use / FA. Must have LPB, or be considered a Flow type. Must be HUB compatible. Flash and Recoil suppression are bonus attributes.
I looked at these choices:
I use a Rearden Atlas mounting ecosystem (Bravo 1.375x24, and Charlie 1.375x32), and Liberty Bell Precision, Ecco Machine, and Rearden muzzle devices. I like LPM muzzle devices for their ability to diffuse a blast from their Flash Hider model line without needing timing to the barrel.
I am still inclined to not select Ti cans for high power factor use yet, with my cutoff at about anything above 300 AAC BO. Sparking is still a concern for me, and I remain unconvinced that it ever goes away completely. I do believe the Ti particles that remain post-manufacture can be flushed out and blown out by use. But I have seen enough cans still sparking even after break-in and flushing, that I'm not yet ready to jump for the high power factor use case. Not Yet. If you really want to know if it has stopped sparking, you have to watch them in a darkened area, or at night. My .02 is, Ti cans continue to wear out over their lifespan, and that is what you see when you look for it. The type of muzzle device makes a big difference about how long that will be with Ti. MDs that focus the blast forward are harder on Ti cans, and shows more sparking. I have adopted the idea that cans are wear items, and I will replace them as they wear out. (I want to try too!). For now, I'm exploring flow models, but not flow and Ti.
For the CAT Ti models, a couple of other makers have bought them and took a saw to them, to open them for study. No pictures were published out of respect for design copyright, but an "opinion" was published stating that the internals were "thin" and were, in their opinion, not fit for hard use. I'm offering this view as an overall guidance, which is to pay attention to the comparative weight of the Ti cans you are considering. Lighter is better sure, up to a point. The CAT ODB Ti was removed from my flow short list. They do make an Inconel model.
The LMT models have a rep for being loud. The Ion dropped off my list. This is Not Lewis Machine and Tool, they are someone else.
I could not learn much of anything about Replicator or Ventus 30. That was a dry well.
The Polo 30 is on the list as a "Kentucky Windage" (see what I did there?) for value. Not really a flow type can.
The list is shorter, but there is another couple background factors: Whats available, what will I have to wait for on backorder (almost everything these days), and what is the outlet that can I obtain it through? That last idea can add another $100 to $200 onto the overall price, and it does drive my selections when a transfer fee is charged that I can not avoid. It becomes a matter of "best among the best" type of decision.
I bought a Velos LBP. It meets all my requirements, and my use case. It's a Charlie thread interface, and I got a Rearden Atlas in Charlie, no "Charlie to Bravo" adapter needed. It was available to buy without waiting, and without a pile-on of transfer fees. It had some testing information available, and though the test results indicated it was not the top at sound suppression, it was a front runner in it's peer group. That it was not "back of the pack" was good enough test results for me, looking for an overall balance of flash and noise suppression.
Requirements: 7.62 and (Hard Use / Inconel / 17-4 Steel / Haynes 282) and (Flow / Low Back Pressure) and Hub Compatible.
No Ti cans, even if they market as hard use / FA. Must have LPB, or be considered a Flow type. Must be HUB compatible. Flash and Recoil suppression are bonus attributes.
I looked at these choices:
- Radical Defense CS-3 7.62
- Rex Silentium ULBP 762
- CAT ODB 718
- SilencerCo Velos LBP 7.62
- OCL Polo 30 (Not Really Flow Tech, but good value for Hard Use)
- Replicator Ventus 30
- LMT Ion30
- OCL Infinity 30
I use a Rearden Atlas mounting ecosystem (Bravo 1.375x24, and Charlie 1.375x32), and Liberty Bell Precision, Ecco Machine, and Rearden muzzle devices. I like LPM muzzle devices for their ability to diffuse a blast from their Flash Hider model line without needing timing to the barrel.
I am still inclined to not select Ti cans for high power factor use yet, with my cutoff at about anything above 300 AAC BO. Sparking is still a concern for me, and I remain unconvinced that it ever goes away completely. I do believe the Ti particles that remain post-manufacture can be flushed out and blown out by use. But I have seen enough cans still sparking even after break-in and flushing, that I'm not yet ready to jump for the high power factor use case. Not Yet. If you really want to know if it has stopped sparking, you have to watch them in a darkened area, or at night. My .02 is, Ti cans continue to wear out over their lifespan, and that is what you see when you look for it. The type of muzzle device makes a big difference about how long that will be with Ti. MDs that focus the blast forward are harder on Ti cans, and shows more sparking. I have adopted the idea that cans are wear items, and I will replace them as they wear out. (I want to try too!). For now, I'm exploring flow models, but not flow and Ti.
For the CAT Ti models, a couple of other makers have bought them and took a saw to them, to open them for study. No pictures were published out of respect for design copyright, but an "opinion" was published stating that the internals were "thin" and were, in their opinion, not fit for hard use. I'm offering this view as an overall guidance, which is to pay attention to the comparative weight of the Ti cans you are considering. Lighter is better sure, up to a point. The CAT ODB Ti was removed from my flow short list. They do make an Inconel model.
The LMT models have a rep for being loud. The Ion dropped off my list. This is Not Lewis Machine and Tool, they are someone else.
I could not learn much of anything about Replicator or Ventus 30. That was a dry well.
The Polo 30 is on the list as a "Kentucky Windage" (see what I did there?) for value. Not really a flow type can.
The list is shorter, but there is another couple background factors: Whats available, what will I have to wait for on backorder (almost everything these days), and what is the outlet that can I obtain it through? That last idea can add another $100 to $200 onto the overall price, and it does drive my selections when a transfer fee is charged that I can not avoid. It becomes a matter of "best among the best" type of decision.
I bought a Velos LBP. It meets all my requirements, and my use case. It's a Charlie thread interface, and I got a Rearden Atlas in Charlie, no "Charlie to Bravo" adapter needed. It was available to buy without waiting, and without a pile-on of transfer fees. It had some testing information available, and though the test results indicated it was not the top at sound suppression, it was a front runner in it's peer group. That it was not "back of the pack" was good enough test results for me, looking for an overall balance of flash and noise suppression.
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It’s a little hard to get excited about their direct competitors claiming their cans are no good for hard use lol. That being said, CAT has been very open that the Ti cans are not for hard full auto use or whatever, they are for LE/HD type use where weight and maneuverability are paramount and most engagements are going to use half a magazine or less. “Train with Inconel, fight with Titanium” as it were.
I went ahead and back ordered the cat wb718 inconel. I am hoping it does not take longer than 6 months to fulfill my back order 
