IMO You made a good choice. Congrats.I went ahead and back ordered the cat wb718 inconel. I am hoping it does not take longer than 6 months to fulfill my back order
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IMO You made a good choice. Congrats.I went ahead and back ordered the cat wb718 inconel. I am hoping it does not take longer than 6 months to fulfill my back order
The additive manufactured "3D printed" cans have residual titanium flakes/dust from the manufacturing process and they burn off with use. Sparking is greatly reduced after initial break-in and it becomes a non-issue. Powder choice and barrel length make more of an impact on flash than titanium construction once the residual powder burns off.
I've never had an issue with Huxwrx in that regard but after reading about multiple cases with CGS, I took the time to rinse out the RD. I did notice the muzzle device seemed to have a thin layer of residue on it. I flushed it out with water multiple times including with agitation and did get some residual debris out. The amount wasn't alarming and it wasn't close to being enough to build titanium sand castles or anything but enough that I was glad I did it. The Huxwrx just seemed to burn off after putting a good number of rounds through it. I don't see the sparks/flash that I did initially and none of my rifles showed signs of contamination. I did make a point to look.Just don't let that abrasive powder make it's way down the barrel towards the chamber.
That could be an expensive issue to fix.
I've never had an issue with Huxwrx in that regard but after reading about multiple cases with CGS, I took the time to rinse out the RD. I did notice the muzzle device seemed to have a thin layer of residue on it. I flushed it out with water multiple times including with agitation and did get some residual debris out. The amount wasn't alarming and it wasn't close to being enough to build titanium sand castles or anything but enough that I was glad I did it. The Huxwrx just seemed to burn off after putting a good number of rounds through it. I don't see the sparks/flash that I did initially and none of my rifles showed signs of contamination. I did make a point to look.
It's strange, you never hear anything about the inconel/cobalt/stainless/Haynes cans having similar issues with residual debris/powder from the additive process. I've got the Haynes 282 version in time out, I'll flush it and see what sort of debris comes out, if any.
Have to say, I think the competition is going to be very fierce and the rate of development is going to be rapid. Given the short wait times, definitely a golden age that could only be made better by the elimination of the tax stamp altogether.
I wonder if PTR and others are using this method to make the porous sections of the 3D printed suppressors.
The competition in 30 cal Titanium and Inconel is def picking up.
Velos LBP (I think there was a Velos non-LBP before it) is a direct competitor to this SRBS.
I don't believe the ODB is direct competition, because that is rated 7.63x39, and CAT CS clearly informed me :
"We make purpose built suppressors, with no apologies about it. We don't do one size fits all. We would love for you to be a customer of CAT, but we must stress that we make very specialized suppressors for specific use cases. Changing course from that is something we are not going to do."
That's not the entire reply from them, but my takeaway was: If the suppressor is not rated for the caliber on the website (in writing), then it is not rated for that caliber. So, if you look at ODB on CAT's website, the max rating for the Ti model is a 10" barrel in 7.62x39, and the Inconel model is max rated at an 8" barrel in 556. That's the takeaway for ODB, and I believe that places it as not direct competition for these two others: Velos LBP and this new SBRS.
Now, I also noticed the SBRS Ti model is very lightweight, and it had me wondering about the overall design strength. It may be a very simple internal design and not need much metal to implement to a high structural integrity at pressure. Or, it might not be strong.
I've had a couple manufacturers tell me that their Ti cans are not rated for Supersonic rounds, and using supers would void the warranty. (The subjects were 9mm pistol LBP / Flow type cans built in Ti and HUB mounts, and suitable for 300 BLK subs, but not 300 Supers. Supers voided the warranty, and was told supers would absolutely damage the can).
So, when I'm looking at Ti cans meant for relatively low pressures, I use the cans weight as a measure of more than just "can I use this without a booster?" The message here is, the overall weight of the can might be used to judge the overall strength of the internal architecture, and possibly the strength of the welds. Maybe.
So I'm skeptical of the SRBS model, and it's partially B&T's fault. The "S" means "Slimline". Well, their 7.62 Ti model is 1.75", and that begs the question: Slimmer than what?
I may be wrong but I don't think they make anything, they design and market their cans. I think CGS manufactures for them."We make purpose built suppressors, with no apologies about it. We don't do one size fits all. We would love for you to be a customer of CAT, but we must stress that we make very specialized suppressors for specific use cases. Changing course from that is something we are not going to do. We'd rather make a dozen suppressors that dominate in their field than make four that cover a lot of bases decently. "
Yes, CGS and CAT are mostly design and marketing. Serializing and engraving is also done.I may be wrong but I don't think they make anything, they design and market their cans. I think CGS manufactures for them.
I do not pay attention to noise reduction when it comes to suppressors on rifles, what is the point? To me they redirect gas forward in the system and ideally they negate muzzle flash. I don't think that I own a can for a rifle that makes things hearing safe without ear pro.I learned a few things watching it. 5.56 10.3" suppressed about relatively equal DBa to an unsuppressed 16". I would not have guessed that. His overall pick was the Cobalt Kinetics Scrambler, and I would not have guessed that either. I had not heard of them before today. I was surprised about how good the Huxwrx Flow 556 (K can, I think?) did in this comparo, and equally surprised about how poorly the new B&T can performed given it's size compared to the others in the test.
I do not pay attention to noise reduction when it comes to suppressors on rifles, what is the point? To me they redirect gas forward in the system and ideally they negate muzzle flash. I don't think that I own a can for a rifle that makes things hearing safe without ear pro.
I do not pay attention to noise reduction when it comes to suppressors on rifles, what is the point? To me they redirect gas forward in the system and ideally they negate muzzle flash. I don't think that I own a can for a rifle that makes things hearing safe without ear pro.
Well we all know how to do it, look at the mark 12 can. Build an obnoxiously long can that focus on redirecting the sound down range (away from the shooter). I still doubt they are hearing safe but way better then normal cans. The trade off is length, maneuverability, weight, ect. None of the cans are going to do anything about something ripping through the sound barrier at 3,000 fps, you are going to get a crack.I understand your point of view. So far, that unicorn can has not appeared in any reasonable manageable size. Not Yet, maybe not ever when dealing with expanding gasses from burning propellent.
Well we all know how to do it, look at the mark 12 can. Build an obnoxiously long can that focus on redirecting the sound down range (away from the shooter). I still doubt they are hearing safe but way better then normal cans. The trade off is length, maneuverability, weight, ect. None of the cans are going to do anything about something ripping through the sound barrier at 3,000 fps, you are going to get a crack.
I thought they all did decently in the flash department. The RC3 has had a flame thrower rep for a while now but it did decently in this video. The Huxwrx is stainless unlike the big brother Flow 762 which is titanium. I don't notice any sparks out of mine any longer but I'm not shooting in the dark either.
Cobalt made the only aftermarket muzzle device for Huxwrx suppressors so I was familiar with them, just not their new cans. I personally think the author went in with a slant towards their suppressors but if they work as advertised, and are that light, the ball's been moved yet again. Good for us!
We have suppressors in our rental fleet, if you use them per directions they are fine. We have multiple titanium cans with 10k rounds on more that are chugging along. Just don't put them on a SMG or mag dump them multiples of times.Torn between a cobalt scrambler, CAT WB and a hux flow 556k
priorities being weight>signature reduction>sound suppression
Leaning cobalt, anyone with any experience with the titanium version?
Sorry I’m not clear, are you saying you have direct experience with the cobalt scrambler?We have suppressors in our rental fleet, if you use them per directions they are fine. We have multiple titanium cans with 10k rounds on more that are chugging along. Just don't put them on a SMG or mag dump them multiples of times.
No to cobalt, yes with titanium cans. I am jaded but most of them are all kind of the same at least in terms of their tolerance to failure. How I judge suppressors for rifles.Sorry I’m not clear, are you saying you have direct experience with the cobalt scrambler?
Thanks, I think we’re missing each other here, I own titanium cans myself. Just looking for experiences with the cobalt since it’s new to market.No to cobalt, yes with titanium cans. I am jaded but most of them are all kind of the same at least in terms of their tolerance to failure. How I judge suppressors for rifles.
1) Mounting system, I prefer QD systems that resist carbon lock.
2) POI shift, the less the better.
3) How sturdy are they, Inconel, Steel, Titanium
4) Flash suppression/mitigation
5) Sound suppression
I looked at our web page and we currently have 30 suppressors for rent, we have not had failures under normal use from any of them. We run the Inconel/Steel on our machine gun rentals. When you are behind the rifle, they all sound about the same (not hearing safe, need ear pro). We have never had a baffle strike but we check them before we put them in service. Yankee Hill (for instance) makes great value suppressors. I personally own three Surefire and three Huxwrx cans. My current favorite design are the hub systems.
At 23.2oz? Eh, I guess if it’s on an MG maybeBest hard use flow through can? KAC CRS PRG.
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and the crs is only 19 light ounces per my wife kitchen scaleSome of us go to the gym....jk
Maybe knights lists the weight with a muzzle device, it sure is a good looking canand the crs is only 19 light ounces per my wife kitchen scale
Maybe knights lists the weight with a muzzle device, it sure is a good looking can
I’ll check it out, thanksAbel Co Biscuit 556/Biscuit-S 556 may suit your needs.
I’ll check it out, thanks
Best hard use flow through can? KAC CRS PRG.
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I’m really happy with the new KAC options. They work great, love the mounting system and yes they get used in auto. Cyclic rate hardly changes with or without the can when firing in auto. However, I do have a Cat ODB 718 in transfer and curious how it will compare.The one I handled/witnessed was damn heavy, but it was awesome. I’m not a KAC fanboi and these are damn expensive, but I was impressed.
It has been our experience, we have an RC2 and a the KAC QDC cans in our rental fleet. Both of them have well over 100k rounds through them without a failure. I think the KAC mounting system is better then the Surefire. I would trust both of them with my life in terms of the crazy reliability of the system.Some of us go to the gym....jk
Your right its heavy though. The baffles are the thickest ive seen and Ive been selling silencers for years. Very happy with flash performance its second to none.