Blackwater 4 interview

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

It’s just stuff until it’s your stuff.



You can’t take anything with you, including your loved ones. What does that have to do with anything? Does that mean nothing is worth fighting for?
Collectively, we pay more in insurance premiums over the course of our lives than we would otherwise lose without insurance. Otherwise all insurance companies would be bankrupt.

It’s worth fighting for what’s right. It’s not about inventory and not everything can be measured in dollars and cents. It’s about maintaining order and our ideals. It’s about preserving the values that made this country great and passing them on to future generations. There are more important things at stake than “stuff.”

“right” is one thing. Taking a life is totally different. Atoning for your sins…..that’s where all the dust settles.

As for the “stuff” I’ve lost EVERYTHING before. I KNOW I can recover. I think too many of you have yet to be tested. My experience brings me strength. Sounds like you want to keep everything

everyone wants to fight and they think they will will. You can’t fathom losing it all, so you will make mistakes to protect “stuff” not knowing it’s all useless.

As for loved ones…..you assume far too much about what I’ve already lost.

all I have left is “stuff” with very little to lose beyond what I consider to be “right”

The real problem here is most men have turned their back on Jesus and now think they control their destiny. Fools.

Don’t lose sight of what’s truly important. I can assure you, your stuff isn’t even in the equation.

I do enjoy “stuff” but I’m not asking you or anyone to sacrifice their life, liberty or anything for MY stuff. Least of all some bright eyed, well meaning fool named Kyle.

 

[stefan73]

indeed there are. And there’s been things worth killing for as well.

Non of it was ever over “stuff”

I accept your position, I don’t agree with it.

My grandfather built our families business. My father built his own business. I’ve even been bold and brave enough to venture out and hang a shingle.

My position being…..I have their courage in me. I can do it, just like them. I don’t get caught up in “this hardware store has been here since 1902” yeah it’s neat but it’s literally not my hill to die on.

Because in the end……can you take it with you? No, because it’s “stuff”

Cute, that "stuff" feeds families, keeps the roof over peoples heads, provides security.

Does it follow you in the afterlife? No

Does it continue to provide for your family? Quite possibly

 

[hlee]

6 hours? Some of us could learn to back a boat trailer down a ramp in 6 hours. Talk about better things to do with a life...

 

[308pirate]

“right” is one thing. Taking a life is totally different. Atoning for your sins…..that’s where all the dust settles.

As for the “stuff” I’ve lost EVERYTHING before. I KNOW I can recover. I think too many of you have yet to be tested. My experience brings me strength. Sounds like you want to keep everything

everyone wants to fight and they think they will will. You can’t fathom losing it all, so you will make mistakes to protect “stuff” not knowing it’s all useless.

As for loved ones…..you assume far too much about what I’ve already lost.

all I have left is “stuff” with very little to lose beyond what I consider to be “right”

The real problem here is most men have turned their back on Jesus and now think they control their destiny. Fools.

Don’t lose sight of what’s truly important. I can assure you, your stuff isn’t even in the equation.

I do enjoy “stuff” but I’m not asking you or anyone to sacrifice their life, liberty or anything for MY stuff. Least of all some bright eyed, well meaning fool named Kyle.

No one cares about your value system

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Cute, that "stuff" feeds families, keeps the roof over peoples heads, provides security.

Does it follow you in the afterlife? No

Does it continue to provide for your family? Quite possibly

-want to keep a roof over yourself head, buy your house and keep insurance.

-the “family” argument again…..everyone should be willing to die to protect their family. If not, why did you make a family?

-quite possibly? “Perhaps you are as likely to be correct as you are to be wrong?”

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

No one cares about your value system

finally an honest answer. I fully accept this.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

What befuddles me in the Sean Ryan interview is the extent the Guberment went to throwing those guys under the bus. They were hired private security. Politicians use hired private security in this country all the fucking time. Btw you don't have to watch the whole thing at once. It took me a few days but listened as I did other things. (edit)Look at the extend the government just went to hiding the identity of the Capitol Police officer that Killed Ashli Bobbet.

Kyle was doing what the National Guard, police, firefighters and EMT's should have. Instead we have our national guard deployed in the fucking sand box half way around the world. What is really fucked is a 17 year old was the one standing up to this bullshit, he was trying to put out the fires and had the gun for self defense. he did not attack anyone, he wasn't running around randomly shooting people. Every person he shot attacked him first, he was chased, hit with a skate board trucks, kicked in the face while on the ground. Its been a while since I have watched the full video, but I believe the last kill he made he was literally on his back on the ground surrounded by 3-4people and one had a hand gun.

Kyle needs to be released and given a fucking medal as he showed more heart and bravery than 99% of anyone walking the fucking planet. Literally ran into the hornets nest. Now the Guberment is going to punish him for doing the job they should have been doing in the first place, similar to the Black water Situation.

It's insured... Fuck that... And fuck anyone who would riot and destroy a strangers business. Any excuse is invalid and you can eat a bag of dicks post grinder date.

It is a shame he lives in a liberal shit hole and was dragged do to their level of stupidity. He seemed like a damn good kid.

 

[stefan73]

-want to keep a roof over yourself head, buy your house and keep insurance.

-the “family” argument again…..everyone should be willing to die to protect their family. If not, why did you make a family?

-quite possibly? “Perhaps you are as likely to be correct as you are to be wrong?”

Dependent on how they run it, if they continue to run the business.

Your arguments seems to be more supportive and excusing of the shitbags that torched innocent people business's and took away their ability to support their families. Am I missing something?

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

It is a shame he lives in a liberal shit hole and was dragged do to their level of stupidity. He seemed like a damn good kid.

Sounds like you understood the situation and he didn’t. It’s a shame to see the people used…..on both sides of the argument.

He probably is still a darn good KID

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Sounds like you understood the situation and he didn’t. It’s a shame to see the people used…..on both sides of the argument.

He probably is still a darn good KID

I forgot he traveled there to try to help. Just made coffee...

 

[pmclaine]

JFC............have we learned nothing?

You do you. But the last things I'll ever do if I have to take direct action are to show my fucking face, wear anything easily identifiable, and tell the police about it.

I think Kenosha cops were given stand down orders.

Needed to get the good optics of "mostly peaceful" protesting. Dont want the cops spoiling the show of unity.

Pols played it beautiful getting a great response from both sides to fan the division. Using the plebes to increase their power.

If you watch the video when Kyle tries to speak to the cruiser seated officers Im guessing he got a service pistol pointed at him the way he jumped back.

Sitting in car, told to do nuffin, guy with rifle shows up at your window all excited, you pull your gun in fear for your life and say "Ive been told not to give a shit, get the fuck away from me!"

and a baffled kid walks away asking "What the fuck just happened to me?"

 

[pmclaine]

I forgot he traveled there to try to help. Just made coffee...

Hoping it wasnt Black Rifle Coffee......

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Nope, Cafe Bustelo. I don't buy Guccie coffee.

 

[pmclaine]

Nope, Cafe Bustelo. I don't buy Guccie coffee.

From my Dunkin Donuts perspective "Yes, yes, you do"

 

[GreenGO Juan]

From my Dunkin Donuts perspective "Yes, yes, you do"

LOL

 

[clcustom1911]

Nope, Cafe Bustelo. I don't buy Guccie coffee.

Cafe Bustelo is Gucci coffee. That and La Llavé.

Amirite @308pirate ??

 

[vinniedelpino]

“right” is one thing. Taking a life is totally different. Atoning for your sins…..that’s where all the dust settles.

As for the “stuff” I’ve lost EVERYTHING before. I KNOW I can recover. I think too many of you have yet to be tested. My experience brings me strength. Sounds like you want to keep everything

everyone wants to fight and they think they will will. You can’t fathom losing it all, so you will make mistakes to protect “stuff” not knowing it’s all useless.

As for loved ones…..you assume far too much about what I’ve already lost.

all I have left is “stuff” with very little to lose beyond what I consider to be “right”

The real problem here is most men have turned their back on Jesus and now think they control their destiny. Fools.

Don’t lose sight of what’s truly important. I can assure you, your stuff isn’t even in the equation.

I do enjoy “stuff” but I’m not asking you or anyone to sacrifice their life, liberty or anything for MY stuff. Least of all some bright eyed, well meaning fool named Kyle.

Ah... I see. Our religious beliefs aren't in line. Your beliefs weren't referenced in your original post. While I don't agree with you, I understand where you're coming from.

I believe in the greater good and I don't place an inherent value on human life like you do. The way I see it, the world is a better place without looters and thieves and any man that doesn't produce more than he consumes is of little or no value. I don't mean that strictly in the economic sense either. There's still a moral element to my approach.

Less dirt bags to pass on their genes and lack of values to future generations improves the gene pool and allows the civil and productive population to thrive. It's cold, simple and logical despite being unpalatable for most.

I subscribe to the idea of the natural order of things. The slowest zebra is food for the lions. Protect and feed these zebras and the equilibrium that exists in nature is disrupted with ripple effects that echo throughout the ecosystem, more often than not with overwhelmingly negative consequences in spite of the good intentions the manipulator(s) may have had when that chain of events was set in motion.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I prefer to keep things simple when possible.

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Ah... I see. Our religious beliefs aren't in line. Your beliefs weren't referenced in your original post. While I don't agree with you, I understand where you're coming from.

I believe in the greater good and I don't place an inherent value on human life like you do. The way I see it, the world is a better place without looters and thieves and any man that doesn't produce more than he consumes is of little or no value. I don't mean that strictly in the economic sense either. There's still a moral element to my approach.

Less dirt bags to pass on their genes and lack of values to future generations improves the gene pool and allows the civil and productive population to thrive. It's cold, simple and logical despite being unpalatable for most.

I subscribe to the idea of the natural order of things. The slowest zebra is food for the lions. Protect and feed these zebras and the equilibrium that exists in nature is disrupted with ripple effects that echo throughout the ecosystem, more often than not with overwhelmingly negative consequences in spite of the good intentions the manipulator(s) may have had when that chain of events was set in motion.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I prefer to keep things simple when possible.

I have moments where I feel precisely as you have described. It’s just moments.

If your travels bring you to AZ let me know. We can grab a meal.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Cafe Bustelo is Gucci coffee. That and La Llavé.

Amirite @308pirate ??

Cafe Bustle is Cheap, 10oz is like 3$.

If I want Gucci coffee I go to Maas and get the Jazz(crack coffee) at $18 a LBS. So good. https://www.maascoffeeroasters.com.

 

[stefan73]

Allowing or enabling such criminal activity disposes of the rule of law in which you see chaos. Having been in failed states with little to no rule of law, the amount of tragedy seen was pretty incredible.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Wonder what @Darkside-Six has to say on the subject? He was with BW..

 

[BCP]

He also carried/used an AR-15. It is one thing own one. It is another to defend yourself from a murderous, leftist and arsonist mob. Fudd gun owners don’t much “cotton” to that idea......

The problem with Republicans/Conservatives is that a lot of them don't like the idea of fighting back against the Leftists. They think it's wrong and immoral. Go overseas to fight Iraqis? Fine. Carry a rifle because a bunch of anarchist freaks are burning down your town? Wrong, bad, let the cops do it, etc.

Sounds like you need to read and understand YOUR insurance mpays for “lost revenue” that I can prove up to a year.

Insurance my ass. A friend of mine lost his business in Sacramento to a black lives matter mob and his insurance still hasn't paid out. It's been almost three years now. Oh yeah no arrests either.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Most excellent!

I hope things don’t get to that point but if they do I hope all of you chose where you live wisely.

That's the whole problem. Everyone (me included) is "hoping things don't get to that point" while we sit and watch things continue to go that way . If you wait until you have nothing left to lose.... You've already lost everything.

I don't have the answers, but the question we all should be constantly asking ourselves is "when is it time to do something? ". I'm not suggesting any type of crazy shit or any type of violent ANYTHING . That something will involve major sacrifices though. I totally get it. I have 2 little blonde haired blue eyed boys, I have a business (obviously), and I've worked my whole life to have what I do. It's been damn hard too and I've done it myself. I say that because I don't want to lose it!

However, I'm just watching it all go away every day, and all we do is say " I sure hope it doesn't come to that"

 

[eca7891]

That's the whole problem. Everyone (me included) is "hoping things don't get to that point" while we sit and watch things continue to go that way . If you wait until you have nothing left to lose.... You've already lost everything.

I don't have the answers, but the question we all should be constantly asking ourselves is "when is it time to do something? ". I'm not suggesting any type of crazy shit or any type of violent ANYTHING . That something will involve major sacrifices though. I totally get it. I have 2 little blonde haired blue eyed boys, I have a business (obviously), and I've worked my whole life to have what I do. It's been damn hard too and I've done it myself. I say that because I don't want to lose it!

However, I'm just watching it all go away every day, and all we do is say " I sure hope it doesn't come to that"

You are assuming I am doing nothing.

That assumption is incorrect.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

You are assuming I am doing nothing.

That assumption is incorrect.

I don't assume anything. I am certainly not doing "nothing" nor have I been for some time now. However, "we" as a collective , aren't doing enough. Obviously

 

[eca7891]

The collective “we” is quite stupid.

I would not put faith in them whatsoever.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

The collective “we” is quite stupid.

I would not put faith in them whatsoever.

Only took 3% of the population last time though....

Your point is very accurate though, clearly....

 

[eca7891]

Gonna take more than 3% this time if you want to save the entire country.

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

Gonna take more than 3% this time if you want to save the entire country.

3% is like 10 million people

 

[BAMAboy18]

Everybody wants to blame Rittenhouse because he was a kid. So its somehow his fault "because he shouldn't have been there." If he was a 30-year old defending a friends property from assholes and the exact same events occurred, would you still be saying "he shouldn't have been there?"

The events, judged separately from his age, are absolutely clear. He was there to deter looters who were actively burning shit. They took offense to his presence and attacked him. He defended himself. End of story! From my point of view, he made decisions that alot of adults should have been making so a damn kid didn't have to be in that situation. But he handled himself very well for an 18-year old.

To me, the ONLY......ONLY.....thing his age had to do with anything was that it might have made the child-molester and felons think they could bullrush a kid and get the upper hand. They discovered that was a mistake.

Didn't mean there in that town, but out walking amongst the hoodlums...

 

[eca7891]

3% is like 10 million people

That’s 200k per state on average to fight, provide security, intel, counter intel,and supply themselves for 24/7/365. Blah blah blah. Not to mention there will be no organization at all.

That’s not fully trained or anything. Just willing to fight to go up against everything the other side has.

Do you think that’s enough?

 

[BuildingConceptsllc]

That’s 200k per state on average to fight, provide security, intel, counter intel,and supply themselves for 24/7/365. Blah blah blah. Not to mention there will be no organization at all.

That’s not fully trained or anything. Just willing to fight to go up against everything the other side has.

Do you think that’s enough?

I'm not sure what exactly this group would be up against. I would assume the military and National Guard would not be as they are currently if that type of situation occurred. I would also assume that a good portion of this group would in fact be retired or former guys with training.

Obviously, I have no idea if that would be enough, nor if that many would even be willing to risk it all to do it. I have a pretty good idea of how this will go if we continue on this path we are on though.

 

[eca7891]

Total assumption.

All social media ( propaganda), news sources ( propaganda), utilities ( electric, water, phone, internet ect) all forms of guv, all police, state, local, county and federal. National guard and military. Add to that the population that supports the other side. No transportation or supply chains. No logistics.

As you stated, there will be defectors from those that I have stated but you kinda get the picture. There will also be pockets scattered across the county that would be more sympathetic to one side or the other. ( you can guess what those would be).

It is a very grim picture and a road I would rather not travel. Unfortunately it’s looks more and more that it will be the unavoidable course.

 

[lariat]

Also a lot of policies don’t cover unrest.

As a matter of fact, almost all of my policies now have acts of terrorism and war as an exclusion. IOW, if conflict comes to my doorstep I’m on my own. All policies are going this way.

Btw, it is about the things. Because the things represent significant portions of life given up in exchange for a goal. Time that will never come back. Lost family time, absolute exhaustion, worry, hard work and success that comes with those prices being paid. You go down the path of creating your own paycheck and you never get that time back. It’s totally worth protecting.

ETA: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Much of that surrounds the protection of a means of income. They obviously considered it worth fighting for, because it is through the control of the means of production and income that a man's freedom is established and maintained. Those who claim it is not worth fighting for are wrong. Why do you think socialist, communists and tyrants want to control the means of production so damn much? This is common sense stuff. The things represent much more than what they actually are both to the individual and the collective fate of the country. How this is not deeply understood I do not know.

 

[thejeep]

^loss of time pisses me off the most.

 

[eca7891]

As a matter of fact, almost all of my policies now have acts of terrorism and war as an exclusion. IOW, if conflict comes to my doorstep I’m on my own. All policies are going this way.

just asking here. No offense here.

So if a Boston bombing situation takes place the police are hands off? Everyone is on their own at that point?

 

[lariat]

just asking here. No offense here.

So if a Boston bombing situation takes place the police are hands off? Everyone is on their own at that point?

I asked the same thing. Once it is officially declared an act of terrorism, its all on you. This is the way it was explained to me. Im talking about insurance, but I perceive your question to be different. Ask it again another way so it soaks through my thick head correctly.

 

[eca7891]

I apologize…. I read policies and a typo meaning police.

 

[Not a Clue]

So glad I started this Rittenhouse thread

 

[lariat]

I asked for further clarification on the insurance.

It has to be a terrorist act declared by the Federal government, not local or state. Riots are usually covered under the property policy for damage caused and not deemed a Terrorist act, if it is declared a Terrorist act then it would be excluded. Terrorist coverage can be added back into the policy for a small upcharge. Policies are beginning to exclude riots. This can be added back in as well. Damage caused may not include loss of revenue, that's a separate item you must look into.

 

[E. Bryant]

So glad I started this Rittenhouse thread

Starting a thread is like pulling a trigger - once the process starts, there is no taking it back

 

[seanh]

Insurance companies have a right to define terms as they see fit in the contract that they write and can change how they define said terms anytime they want. If you're gonna sign a policy, make sure all the terms are well defined and cannot be changed without your express written approval.

 

[Fig]

It will come directly from legitimate state governments; exactly like last time. It isn't a question of when you've had enough, you have to elect local and state people who have also had enough. The nullifying laws and contra supremacy clause laws are the canary in the coal mine.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Or the Police/Guard/Firefighter could stop the riots, looting and burning. Then there would be no need for more coverage.

BTW Kyle is related to BW because its basically the same thing, except in our on back yard. Guberment punishing the wrong people.

 

[Not a Clue]

Or the Police/Guard/Firefighter could stop the riots, looting and burning. Then there would be no need for more coverage.

BTW Kyle is related to BW because its basically the same thing, except in our on back yard. Guberment punishing the wrong people.

To some degree. Kyle actually shot guys and it's on film. BW guys were said to have massacred 17 people and there were no bodies, no evidence, and all drone footage was wiped clean except for when they entered the area and exited the area. So no video, no photos, no evidence, no bodies, no forensics, but toss them in prison and throw away the keys? Wrong on so many levels.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

To some degree. Kyle actually shot guys and it's on film.

In self defense while being attacked for literally trying to put out a dumpster fire that was being pushed towards a gas station.

I assume the BW guys operated in a defense posture as well. If they did fire on anyone, it was likely they had received it first.



The Point is the left politicians let the cities burn, just like the left politicians burned BW down, attacked those actually fighting for our side as they sit on high in their towers eating fucking ice cream . I consider Kyle and BW on the right side of the greater evil in the world. Its a injustice.

The mess they made upon leaving Iraq and (edit- Afghanistan) was planned by the left. Just like they let their cites burn. They are evil, hiding behind compassion

 

[Not a Clue]

In self defense while being attacked for literally trying to put out a dumpster fire that was being pushed towards a gas station.

100% agree.

 

[Darkside-Six]

Plenty of guys in here making comments about contractors that have obviously never worked as or with contractors.

Raven 23 got the raw end of the shaft. Thankfully Trump pardoned them. Prince left them out to hang.

 

[kennyg]

Listened to this over the last couple days. It was really interesting to hear more of this story. Thanks for posting it. It is also available on a podcast if that works better for you.

 

[Alphatreedog]

So I'm home on quarantine and just watched the whole thing today . Some observations .
Ho Lee Shit . Our Government just never hits bottom .