this is got to be the dumbest question i have ever asked but, when i clean my bore i just run a patch and jag with clp or sometimes on a boresnake after about 100-150 rounds. i have been reading that some benchrest shooters Don't like the teflon in the bore and say it can effect accuraccy after a lot of use. just want to get another Opinion,
break free clp in the bore
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Re: break free clp in the bore
Nothing wrong with protecting your bore.
The only "problem" is that it is a petroleum based lube, as well as the teflon in SOME of the CLP products.
Even if you run sevral dry patches through the bore, the lube still remains and will "normally" throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.
Another option is to use Hoppe's #9, it will clean better than CLP and you can run a wet patch and leave it is as a protectant. Before heading to the range, run a wet patch followed by several dry patches.
Nothing wrong with protecting your bore.
The only "problem" is that it is a petroleum based lube, as well as the teflon in SOME of the CLP products.
Even if you run sevral dry patches through the bore, the lube still remains and will "normally" throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.
Another option is to use Hoppe's #9, it will clean better than CLP and you can run a wet patch and leave it is as a protectant. Before heading to the range, run a wet patch followed by several dry patches.
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I was told by a BR shooter years ago that I shouldn't use anything in the bore that may have Teflon in it. CLP products are supposed to have great carbon cleaning abilities though. FP10 has always worked well on BCG for me. This might make me go back and try it again. Maybe on some stubborn barrel I'll leave it in overnight and see how it goes.
My BR buds marvel at how little I clean and still out shoot them. They act like you need to clean after each shot.
I was told by a BR shooter years ago that I shouldn't use anything in the bore that may have Teflon in it. CLP products are supposed to have great carbon cleaning abilities though. FP10 has always worked well on BCG for me. This might make me go back and try it again. Maybe on some stubborn barrel I'll leave it in overnight and see how it goes.
My BR buds marvel at how little I clean and still out shoot them. They act like you need to clean after each shot.
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A military branch used to use it all the time for light rifles. It's not for .50 cal, though. If you clean, a light copper remover is in order followed by a neutralizer oil. Kroil works better.
A military branch used to use it all the time for light rifles. It's not for .50 cal, though. If you clean, a light copper remover is in order followed by a neutralizer oil. Kroil works better.
Re: break free clp in the bore
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was told by a BR shooter years ago that I shouldn't use anything in the bore that may have Teflon in it. CLP products are supposed to have great carbon cleaning abilities though. FP10 has always worked well on BCG for me. This might make me go back and try it again. Maybe on some stubborn barrel I'll leave it in overnight and see how it goes.
My BR buds marvel at how little I clean and still out shoot them. They act like you need to clean after each shot. </div></div>
Its funny how many people have gotten stuck in the ways of this kind of thinking. I clean my bore once a year depending on how often that rifle gets shot. I do clean after about 500-600 rounds.
I clean everything else when needed. (Bolt, action, ect)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was told by a BR shooter years ago that I shouldn't use anything in the bore that may have Teflon in it. CLP products are supposed to have great carbon cleaning abilities though. FP10 has always worked well on BCG for me. This might make me go back and try it again. Maybe on some stubborn barrel I'll leave it in overnight and see how it goes.
My BR buds marvel at how little I clean and still out shoot them. They act like you need to clean after each shot. </div></div>
Its funny how many people have gotten stuck in the ways of this kind of thinking. I clean my bore once a year depending on how often that rifle gets shot. I do clean after about 500-600 rounds.
I clean everything else when needed. (Bolt, action, ect)
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Didn't even think about that. I guess I just lumped it in there in my own mind.
FP10, IMHO, is a better carbon cleaner that lubricator.
Thanks for setting me straight, at least this one time.
Didn't even think about that. I guess I just lumped it in there in my own mind.
FP10, IMHO, is a better carbon cleaner that lubricator.
Thanks for setting me straight, at least this one time.
Re: break free clp in the bore
Even if you run sevral dry patches through the bore, the lube still remains and will "normally" throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.
^^^^
Couldn't agree more, I didn't believe that till I saw it happen and had it showed to me.
Even if you run sevral dry patches through the bore, the lube still remains and will "normally" throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.
^^^^
Couldn't agree more, I didn't believe that till I saw it happen and had it showed to me.
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the old CLP did, i think the new stuff doesn't contain teflon but don't quote me on it.
the old CLP did, i think the new stuff doesn't contain teflon but don't quote me on it.
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{throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.}
after reading this it hit me, when my first cousin went through army sniper school years back thay were taught to always fire a few rounds after each cleaning or before a mission. i thought all breakfree CLP had teflon in it
{throw off your cold bore shot and possibly several shots after.}
after reading this it hit me, when my first cousin went through army sniper school years back thay were taught to always fire a few rounds after each cleaning or before a mission. i thought all breakfree CLP had teflon in it
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Dont use anything with Teflon in your bore of a precision rifle. It will cause you inconsistent shot placement.
If you have used Teflon in your bore get some JB Bore Compound and take 20 minutes to scrub it out.
Dont use anything with Teflon in your bore of a precision rifle. It will cause you inconsistent shot placement.
If you have used Teflon in your bore get some JB Bore Compound and take 20 minutes to scrub it out.
Re: break free clp in the bore
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagehunter44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">any comments on ballistol ? seen it at the store last week </div></div>
Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagehunter44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">any comments on ballistol ? seen it at the store last week </div></div>
Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel.
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{Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel}
let me guess....contains teflon!
{Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel}
let me guess....contains teflon!
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lot of people talk about mpro7 cleaner & gun oil lpx. hoppes elite gun cleaner & oil is made by the same people. i just found out but are probability not equal
lot of people talk about mpro7 cleaner & gun oil lpx. hoppes elite gun cleaner & oil is made by the same people. i just found out but are probability not equal
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont use anything with Teflon in your bore of a precision rifle. It will cause you inconsistent shot placement.
If you have used Teflon in your bore get some JB Bore Compound and take 20 minutes to scrub it out.</div></div>
Has anyone ever actually <span style="font-style: italic">documented</span> this, though?
I've heard stories regarding teflon "Strings of goop will drip out from your muzzle!" "Accuracy vanishes forever!" "Your barrel will be DESTROOYYEDD!!"
What I've never seen is any actual evidence backing up the theory that teflon will condense out of the CLP and form solid buildup inside the bore, or that said buildup will have a detrimental influence upon accuracy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dont use anything with Teflon in your bore of a precision rifle. It will cause you inconsistent shot placement.
If you have used Teflon in your bore get some JB Bore Compound and take 20 minutes to scrub it out.</div></div>
Has anyone ever actually <span style="font-style: italic">documented</span> this, though?
I've heard stories regarding teflon "Strings of goop will drip out from your muzzle!" "Accuracy vanishes forever!" "Your barrel will be DESTROOYYEDD!!"
What I've never seen is any actual evidence backing up the theory that teflon will condense out of the CLP and form solid buildup inside the bore, or that said buildup will have a detrimental influence upon accuracy.
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I got info from AMU Shooter many years ago. Said they ahd been using Teflon based products and accuracy suffered. They cleaned with JB Bore Compound and started using plain gun oil in bore for protection, when needed, and groups came back
I had a bbl I had used the old Teflon stuff in and just never seemed to score as well as I thought it should so I scrubbed the hell out of it with JB Bore Compound and groups became better.
While that is not scientificly perfect it works for me
I got info from AMU Shooter many years ago. Said they ahd been using Teflon based products and accuracy suffered. They cleaned with JB Bore Compound and started using plain gun oil in bore for protection, when needed, and groups came back
I had a bbl I had used the old Teflon stuff in and just never seemed to score as well as I thought it should so I scrubbed the hell out of it with JB Bore Compound and groups became better.
While that is not scientificly perfect it works for me
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I used CLP for many years. Bought into the idea (like many others) that if the military used it, it must be good. After doing some research and based on my own experience, I stopped using it a couple of years ago.
I switched over to Slip2000 products (no PTFE/Teflon). They make a good GP Gun Lube/Cleaner/preservative, also a product called EWL (Extreme Weapons Lube, just a thicker version of the GP Lube). I also use their Gas Piston & Parts Cleaner, which is bio-degradeable, and good for anything that gets carbon buildup (use it on AR-15 parts, and on gas operated shotgun parts).
The thing I found with CLP that started to open my eyes is that I found it tends to evaporate after a little while (a few weeks or months, depending on the environment). Plus, it seems, some of it has Teflon and some does not. So for long term metal protection, and to ensure no Teflon, I found what I believe is a superior product. I shoot in a lot of different gun matches (IDPA, 3-gun, High Power Rifle, etc) and have been using Slip2000 products for a couple years now on all my guns and I like it a lot, it has served me well.
Just remember, the thing about opinions is that everyone has one (or more). Listen to what others say, but back that up with your own research and decide for yourself. Best of luck!
I used CLP for many years. Bought into the idea (like many others) that if the military used it, it must be good. After doing some research and based on my own experience, I stopped using it a couple of years ago.
I switched over to Slip2000 products (no PTFE/Teflon). They make a good GP Gun Lube/Cleaner/preservative, also a product called EWL (Extreme Weapons Lube, just a thicker version of the GP Lube). I also use their Gas Piston & Parts Cleaner, which is bio-degradeable, and good for anything that gets carbon buildup (use it on AR-15 parts, and on gas operated shotgun parts).
The thing I found with CLP that started to open my eyes is that I found it tends to evaporate after a little while (a few weeks or months, depending on the environment). Plus, it seems, some of it has Teflon and some does not. So for long term metal protection, and to ensure no Teflon, I found what I believe is a superior product. I shoot in a lot of different gun matches (IDPA, 3-gun, High Power Rifle, etc) and have been using Slip2000 products for a couple years now on all my guns and I like it a lot, it has served me well.
Just remember, the thing about opinions is that everyone has one (or more). Listen to what others say, but back that up with your own research and decide for yourself. Best of luck!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagehunter44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">{Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel}
let me guess....contains teflon! </div></div>
Don't have a clue.
Slip 2000 oil is what I use. It is said to have a much higher flash point. I've been using it for a couple of years. I notice it doesn't change the POI and will loosen carbon fouling. I push a wet patch and leave it. The I push a dry patch before shooting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: savagehunter44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">{Works great to slick up a bolt but not in my barrel}
let me guess....contains teflon! </div></div>
Don't have a clue.
Slip 2000 oil is what I use. It is said to have a much higher flash point. I've been using it for a couple of years. I notice it doesn't change the POI and will loosen carbon fouling. I push a wet patch and leave it. The I push a dry patch before shooting.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Break-Free CLP contains no Teflon. Here's the MSDS...
http://www.tompkins-co.org/msds/m2291.pdf
</div></div>
You can't always identify what individual chemicals, or even what chemical names or combinations (i.e. Teflon aka PTFE) are contained in a product based upon the MSDS. If you read the referenced MSDS, there is a hint about this fact where it states, under Section II, "Proprietary Formula: - Specific Chemical Identities Have Been Withheld".
If we look at the Break Free product catalog page located here... http://www.break-free.com/products/products_breakfreeclp.asp?catalog=law ...it states:
"Break-Free's flagship product, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CLP is a unique formulation of </span></span> synthetic oils and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">individual proprietary ingredients</span></span> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">which synergize in combination</span></span></span> to do three important tasks simultaneously: Effectively Clean, Lubricate and Protect metal. Break-Free CLP is now recognized around the world as the standard by which maximum metal performance and protection is ensured."
All this really says is that CLP is made up of "individual proprietary ingredients". I throw down the BS flag when they say "which synergize in combination", as that's just a mouthful of feel-good words. Gives me the impression they are trying to take what is a simple product, and give it some mystical and magical powers, and pass it off as a "snake oil" that can do everything.
If we look at the reference info found on Brownell's website, at the page located here... http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1683/product/BREAK_FREE_CLP ...looks like it contains Teflon as far as Brownell's is concerned.
I'm really not trying to beat up on CLP, I used it myself for probably better than 20 years. Like I said earlier, based upon my own experience using CLP I observed what I felt were some shortcomings and I think there are better products on the market today. But don't take my word for it! I challenge everyone to do their own research and make up your own mind. I just encourage folks not to buy into the CLP hype just because the military uses it, or becasue your buddy says it's great stuff. I've been in the military, and I've worked for DoD, and I can tell you that the military machine does not always make the best decisions and is not always fast to change to a better product
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Break-Free CLP contains no Teflon. Here's the MSDS...
http://www.tompkins-co.org/msds/m2291.pdf
</div></div>
You can't always identify what individual chemicals, or even what chemical names or combinations (i.e. Teflon aka PTFE) are contained in a product based upon the MSDS. If you read the referenced MSDS, there is a hint about this fact where it states, under Section II, "Proprietary Formula: - Specific Chemical Identities Have Been Withheld".
If we look at the Break Free product catalog page located here... http://www.break-free.com/products/products_breakfreeclp.asp?catalog=law ...it states:
"Break-Free's flagship product, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">CLP is a unique formulation of </span></span> synthetic oils and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">individual proprietary ingredients</span></span> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">which synergize in combination</span></span></span> to do three important tasks simultaneously: Effectively Clean, Lubricate and Protect metal. Break-Free CLP is now recognized around the world as the standard by which maximum metal performance and protection is ensured."
All this really says is that CLP is made up of "individual proprietary ingredients". I throw down the BS flag when they say "which synergize in combination", as that's just a mouthful of feel-good words. Gives me the impression they are trying to take what is a simple product, and give it some mystical and magical powers, and pass it off as a "snake oil" that can do everything.
If we look at the reference info found on Brownell's website, at the page located here... http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1683/product/BREAK_FREE_CLP ...looks like it contains Teflon as far as Brownell's is concerned.
I'm really not trying to beat up on CLP, I used it myself for probably better than 20 years. Like I said earlier, based upon my own experience using CLP I observed what I felt were some shortcomings and I think there are better products on the market today. But don't take my word for it! I challenge everyone to do their own research and make up your own mind. I just encourage folks not to buy into the CLP hype just because the military uses it, or becasue your buddy says it's great stuff. I've been in the military, and I've worked for DoD, and I can tell you that the military machine does not always make the best decisions and is not always fast to change to a better product
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I've used CLP for a long time, and will continue to do so, but I don't use it for a cleaning agent. After cleaning is complete I'll run a damp patch with CLP through the bore and follow up with a dry patch. Just leaves a light film that protects the steel surfaces very well. I may or may not wipe before shooting again... I guess I'll have to try another product to see if there is any accuracy difference but I've always been happy with the way my rifles shot.
I've used CLP for a long time, and will continue to do so, but I don't use it for a cleaning agent. After cleaning is complete I'll run a damp patch with CLP through the bore and follow up with a dry patch. Just leaves a light film that protects the steel surfaces very well. I may or may not wipe before shooting again... I guess I'll have to try another product to see if there is any accuracy difference but I've always been happy with the way my rifles shot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: msalm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used CLP for a long time, and will continue to do so, but I don't use it for a cleaning agent. After cleaning is complete I'll run a damp patch with CLP through the bore and follow up with a dry patch. Just leaves a light film that protects the steel surfaces very well. I may or may not wipe before shooting again... I guess I'll have to try another product to see if there is any accuracy difference but I've always been happy with the way my rifles shot.</div></div>
This is exactly what I have been doing, and it works great.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: msalm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used CLP for a long time, and will continue to do so, but I don't use it for a cleaning agent. After cleaning is complete I'll run a damp patch with CLP through the bore and follow up with a dry patch. Just leaves a light film that protects the steel surfaces very well. I may or may not wipe before shooting again... I guess I'll have to try another product to see if there is any accuracy difference but I've always been happy with the way my rifles shot.</div></div>
This is exactly what I have been doing, and it works great.
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Actually I do use as a cleaning agent but I first use another product and finish with CLP.
Actually I do use as a cleaning agent but I first use another product and finish with CLP.
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I have found CLP to contain petroleum, but not Teflon! I use it on all of my rifles and pistols and have had no problems. I'm also a big fan of Ballistol! Hoppe's #9 and a little Kroil works well too
I have found CLP to contain petroleum, but not Teflon! I use it on all of my rifles and pistols and have had no problems. I'm also a big fan of Ballistol! Hoppe's #9 and a little Kroil works well too
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