Meh… they are in the body and fender shop after Captain Crossdresser and Lt. Cmdr. Betty Boop ran them aground while on a trip to get White Claw and tampons from the Whole Foods Market in Ocean City.
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Bridge Collaspe!! Americas enemy's are targeting its soft under belly.
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Meh… they are in the body and fender shop after Captain Crossdresser and Lt. Cmdr. Betty Boop ran them aground while on a trip to get White Claw and tampons from the Whole Foods Market in Ocean City.
Sirhr
Can the ships engine management and control be hacked remotely? This is a tragedy and the effects to the east coast commerce, and traffic going north and south will be immense for the next few years until this bridge is replaced
Almost anything can be hacked remotely IF you have enough computing power and folks good at network attack.
I believe almost all those ships can be remotely operated from a “panic room” or secure area… that’s probably computer driven.
But there is little chance that happened here. I see an accident. Generator failed at the wrong time. Black box will tell all if it’s honestly disclosed.
Expect to see a NOVA episode of this in the next few months. It will be all over the Discovery and History channels and we will find out what we are told.
But I see an accident. Not a terrorist or wild card (what we used to call black swan fancy schmancy shit). That won’t stop the conspiracies from flying.
Cheers!
I would also take this opportunity to fire the family that controls the piloting. That is the most arcane and crooked business on planet earth.
About 15 or so years ago the Mississippi River was very low. It was preventing coal barges from docking at unloading ports along the river. Guess where all the eastern coal power plants get there coal from, yep down the Mississippi. The whole eastern US was only a few days from going mostly dark because all the coal plants were fixing to run out of fuel. That fun fact was never made public for obvious reasons but plans were put in place to prevent it from happening again. I’ve always told upper management that the real threat to the “grid” is in the fuel or lack of. What would happen if most bridges across the Mississippi River were to suffer the same fate, no shipping traffic up and down the river and the east cost becomes almost an island. There aren’t that many bridges across the Mississippi. And whoever said they will have that bridge back up in no time is dreaming in the same way they said the Ukraine war would be over in a couple months.
I bet the new bridge will be named after some POC
Looks like an accident. You can see the ship go dark and when it does come back online exhaust becomes very black. Also this has happened before. Look up Skyway Bridge accident. Very similar set of circumstances.
www.tampabay.com
See historic photos from the Sunshine Skyway bridge disaster
On May 9, 1980, a freighter struck the bridge, killing 35 people in one of the worst disasters in Tampa Bay history.
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From Google Earth:
The first pic is from May 2023. The second is from August 2023.
What happened to the collision barriers in the last three months?
The first pic is from May 2023. The second is from August 2023.
What happened to the collision barriers in the last three months?
There’s the new Skyway bridge and thankfully they learned a few things, like look at all the armor and reinforcements around the pilings.
If you want to see something ironic. Go watch the Wire Season 2. The bodies were dumped by the Key bridge and one of the episodes was between the State Police, Baltimore City and Baltimore County arguing who eats the body due to location.
Ol Jimmy Mcnaulty fucked the city boys real hard when he showed tide maps and flows, proving the body was dumped inside city and floated into county. City had to eat the bodies.
Ol Jimmy Mcnaulty fucked the city boys real hard when he showed tide maps and flows, proving the body was dumped inside city and floated into county. City had to eat the bodies.
Sure…2-3 weeks of work to clear the water/channel…..after how long of contract negotiations and arguing??? It’s MD…..people are already making calls.
Fox News calling all the searches and rescue workers heroes. WTF. Apparently you can be labeled hero for doing just about anything nowadays. SMH.
Baltimore: "longer than average commuter time expected today. Traffic delays expected through December, 2029."
Whole new dimension to "America's crumbling infrastructure. "
Whole new dimension to "America's crumbling infrastructure. "
Pilings are still there. Just might not of been able to capture them in that photo with whatever resolution, lighting, or stitched image google used.
Here they are plainly visible by the ship.
Folks be all looking around for "terrorists" and "WMDs" or whatever.
Few folks understand that a couple "random" and unfortunate "accidents" all at the same time can bring a city or a large metropolitan area to a grinding halt.
No need for anything special, just the right series of accidents all at the right time.
Few folks understand that a couple "random" and unfortunate "accidents" all at the same time can bring a city or a large metropolitan area to a grinding halt.
No need for anything special, just the right series of accidents all at the right time.
I agree, but there was some incompetence here. Loss of power/steering at sea and anchor (in a shipping channel) has a set of protocols to prevent something like this happening, and it clearly wasn't followed. The bridge isn't the only place to steer a ship or drop an anchor. I have steered a ship for a couple of hours using the trick wheels in aft steering, and I know for a fact that all anchor windlasses on that class of ship can be operated manually from the station. A ship that large probably has an aft anchor as well. They had time. They didn't use it.
These cargo ships aren't exactly crewed or commanded by crackerjacks.
My guess is that they never ran these drills, and the moment there was a problem they didn't know what to do and froze/panicked. That the pilot wouldn't say "drop anchor", is also stupid, but that's what generational nepotism buys.
These cargo ships aren't exactly crewed or commanded by crackerjacks.
My guess is that they never ran these drills, and the moment there was a problem they didn't know what to do and froze/panicked. That the pilot wouldn't say "drop anchor", is also stupid, but that's what generational nepotism buys.
The few times I’ve lost power on my boat I’ve immediately dropped the anchor until power was restored.
If you actually worked on a ship like that, you would know they do not have stern anchors. Normal cargo vessels do not have a secondary steering location outside the bridge. They do have local control in the steering flat, but as there are no portholes there, steering can only been done with outside piloting. Also, the hydraulic motors for the steering is electrically driven. Doesn't matter where you try to steer from, no power, no control.
Also, even if you had your hand on the anchor brake release, by the time enough cable has paid out and the brake reapplied, the ship would have still hit the bridge. Have you ever seen what happens when an anchor is dropped at full speed? I would rater dive overboard.
Shit happens. And the bridge supports were not properly protected. Stop trying to blame outside forces and start thinking why there was no proper risk assessment done. As mentioned before, this is not the first time a ship has hit a bridge.
On the whole, Singapore registered vessels are usually better maintained than even US foreign going vessels. And the USCG really love to make crew's on foreign vessels life hell with regular in-depth inspections.
It never ceases to amaze me how quick our members transformer to experts no matter the subject. Yesterday we were full of Russian, CIA, torture experts and today we all of the sudden full of ship captains, sea fairing experts, transportation experts, tug boat experts, and people that just so happen to live right under this fucking bridge.
Truth be told.......I think we have an abundance of "full of shitters"! To the new people......the only advice I would take on this forum is gun related........
At least the fucking retard said he was gonna visit real soon which he hasn't done with the people from East Palestine. I'm betting it because ok token blacks and Demoncrapt in baltomole.
SSSSSSSH.....don't entice domestic DemoncraPt terrorists to do so or it may happen. They will never let a crisis go to waste.
Agreed. Not to mention the USCG Curtis Bay is less than a mile from the bridge.
The United States Coast Guard Yard or just Coast Guard Yard is a United States Coast Guard operated shipyard located on Curtis Bay in northern Anne Arundel County, Maryland, just south of the Baltimore city limits. It is the Department of Homeland Security's largest industrial facility. It is a division of the Coast Guard's Surface Forces Logistics Center command. It is the Coast Guard's sole shipbuilding and major repair facility, and part of the Coast Guard's core industrial base and fleet support operations. Engineering, logistics, and maintenance responsibilities and complete life-cycle support; installation, operations, maintenance and ultimately replacement. Its annual budget is $100 million.
Besides commercial shipping, this is a national security risk. They will get the debris cleared of the channel within 2-3 weeks. Cranes are already inbound with crews as well for 24/7 operations.
2-3 weeks from today it will be clear.
You guys don't understand how this shit works. There is no negotiation in these types of situation. I used to be one of the people in a previous job in a particular sector of the USG with an unlimited credit card and authorization to get crews and equipment in route to a disaster. Cost is decided after things are settled down and there is time for negotiation. Calls went out within the hour of the bridge going to see what cranes and diving equipment is close and can be there within a few days. Followed up by calls to crews and support crew/staff/equipment to get their people and equipment loaded and headed to the site within 6 hours.
This bridge blockage is costing between $500M and a Billion dollars a day of economic damage. The cranes could cost 100M a day and they would still be worth every penny.
When shit NEEDS to be done in a hurry, it is.
They are not all stupid. All the bad shit that is happening is by design. Some overtly, some by setting the scene of incompetence and laziness.
Yup, look at the causeway in Florida out to the islands after Ian.
They had that passable in days, days I say.
GPS jamming, simulate just 2 fake GPS signals (local) and location will be skewed Generating a Turn Left NOW command. It's dark and you can't see where you are going.
Cycle power to regain control, won't help, ship ends up driving into the woods.
GPS jammers made for our military, designed in Israel, made with Chinese chips.
Cycle power to regain control, won't help, ship ends up driving into the woods.
GPS jammers made for our military, designed in Israel, made with Chinese chips.
If things are anything like when I was in they don’t have the funding to buy a whole 6 pack.
i do remember the skyway disaster. used to fish on it in early 70s. can't now but they did make an old span a fishing pier. hope the loss of life was minimal. haven't heard yet.
That smoke is most likely the Emergency Ship Service generator overloading and failing.Looks like an accident. You can see the ship go dark and when it does come back online exhaust becomes very black. Also this has happened before. Look up Skyway Bridge accident. Very similar set of circumstances.
See historic photos from the Sunshine Skyway bridge disaster
On May 9, 1980, a freighter struck the bridge, killing 35 people in one of the worst disasters in Tampa Bay history.
Well........I guess my ferry services will be needed in Baitimore.
If you know, you know.
Too soon?
If you know, you know.
Too soon?
Don’t know about the maritime side of things but your process sounds like the way we handle things in an emergency situation. You have a good relationship with companies you’ve worked with in the past. Your on the horn lining things out getting long lead time items moving within a couple hours, get a team together and start parting out the tasks, everything moving in parallel. Paper work will follow then negotiating price after the job is done. I’ve seen work that normally takes 2 months completed in a week.
When push comes to shove Americans can get it done. The only wild card is if the government gets really involved or they just watch the amazing work being done by real working men.
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He is Correct , they will do anything to get the waterway / port open
