Brighter than hell small flashlights

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#1
Just thought I would post a couple of my favorite flashlights up here. The first light is the Jetbeam M1X and the second is the D Mini VX Ultra. The 1st light use a Cree MCE quad die LED and output is about 700 lumens. The second light uses an SST-50 LED and output is about 600 lumens.

I have used both of them in the Eastern Sierras in pitch black conditions and the lights are incredibly bright. Both lights will blind you temporary. Both lights are adjustable as far as brightness settings and battery use. You can use either Rcr123 CR123 or 18650 lithium batteries. I use the AW brand of rechargeable lithium batteries as they are protected cells and wont go POOF if you overcharge, undercharge or overload current.

My favorite is the d mini vx as its almost as bright as the M1X but much smaller.



M1X review
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=230019

Mini VX review
http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=7567.0
 
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you can over pay for those dim candles if you want to.
but if you want brighter then hell get Xenon!

the only type of light that can damage retinas that are not lasers IIRC.

take your led and shine it someplace then use a xenon to make the led dissappear by completely overpowering it.

mine is over 30 years old and still on its original bulb used every day for 24 years as a mechanic. its gone through hell and is still ticking.

Heres a divers 4AA for under $16
http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-pe-fl-2420mitylite.html

google pelican xenon there are loads of different models and colors. AAA keychain clip on your hat brim and up!

I wish all my stuff held up like these do!
 
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Well where to start with this statement? First Xenon is old school fragile "bulb" technology. Drop that light and watch the bulb go dead. Second xenon is a HUGE waster of power. Xenon lasts about 1/3rd the time of a same watt LED. Third xenon runs hot. Fourth xenon has a bulb life of 20 minutes and LED is thousands of hours or more. Fifth LED is brighter. Look at surefire website and see the lumen ratings of xenon vs LED. Sixth the LED can use rechargable Lion batteries. Xenon will over-amp the rechargeable and kill them. Seventh the runtime of the xenon would be about 12-15 minutes max and the runtime of the LED would be about 1.5 hours on max. Last if I shined this light in your eyes you would be blinded for minutes and it may cause perm. damage.

I am also sure your xenon isnt 700 lumens. These lights are way brighter than your xenon. Have you held a modern day LED or are you comparing them to the purple bulb led's of the past?

One more thing surefire doesnt even use these high power LED's yet as they are running way behind the curve with new LED's. Look at surefires website and try to find an MCE or SST-50 or even a SST-90 flashlight. The SST-90 puts out a whopping 2400 Lumens that rivals an 35w HID in wattage.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL05CuiKAAg







<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BadBot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can over pay for those dim candles if you want to.
but if you want brighter then hell get Xenon!

the only type of light that can damage retinas that are not lasers IIRC.

take your led and shine it someplace then use a xenon to make the led dissappear by completely overpowering it.

mine is over 30 years old and still on its original bulb used every day for 24 years as a mechanic. its gone through hell and is still ticking.

Heres a divers 4AA for under $16
http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-pe-fl-2420mitylite.html

google pelican xenon there are loads of different models and colors. AAA keychain clip on your hat brim and up!

I wish all my stuff held up like these do!

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#8
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Fenix makes some good stuff cheap. I carry their PD20 in my pocket as a backup to my LED 6P on my duty belt. I'm not really sure why I even cary the Surefire anymore as the fenix is brighter lighter an cheaper.
Patrick
and in response to the Xenon bulb post,um, lots of cool things have happened since you bought your 3D cell Maglight at Wal-Mart twenty years ago. You might Google LED flashlights before posting something that retarded.
 
#9
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How is the customer service with these compared to Surefire? I have had only 2 problems with my E2L, both broken parts and both times my fault. I called up SF, told them what the problem was, and they mailed out new parts.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just thought I would post a couple of my favorite flashlights up here. The first light is the Jetbeam M1X and the second is the D Mini VX Ultra. The 1st light use a Cree MCE quad die LED and output is about 700 lumens. The second light uses an SST-50 LED and output is about 600 lumens.

I have used both of them in the Eastern Sierras in pitch black conditions and the lights are incredibly bright. Both lights will blind you temporary. Both lights are adjustable as far as brightness settings and battery use. You can use either Rcr123 CR123 or 18650 lithium batteries. I use the AW brand of rechargeable lithium batteries as they are protected cells and wont go POOF if you overcharge, undercharge or overload current.

My favorite is the d mini vx as its almost as bright as the M1X but much smaller.



M1X review
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=230019

Mini VX review
http://flashlight-forums.com/index.php?topic=7567.0
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Those are some badass lights! Ive only run SF lights. I now run an E2L & E1 as BU in the forest. How's the reliability, as well as the customer service, and are they made in the USA?
 
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Just great. My wife just bought me a SF E2DL for my B-Day, and here I was thinking it was the best until I stumble on this damn thread.

Seriously, I've been pleased with the output of the SF so far, as well as the double-click high/low output on the tailcap.

As an aside, I picked up a SF Defender back in 2001 and have had zero issues (although it looks like hell now). Their performance so far has earned my repeat business until another product can demonstrate the same reliability. My Pelican LED light failed that test within a month.
 
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I have been cave diving for the past 15 years, and lights are our life source. Aside from my 12v 150 watt HID canister light that I use for my primary, which is like a small sun burning at 6200K @ 13 degrees. I have been using 2 Salvo RAT Jr's as my back ups. They are damn bright, use 2 CR123 batteries, made of 100% delrin, and blow all the tactical lights I have had out of the water including SF. They cost about $100.00 and are damn near indestructable, and small enough to fit in your pocket, and obviously waterproof. Made in the good ole USA, High Springs, FL.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I paid 125 for the M1x and 90 for the Ultra. Nothing like the surefire lights that are way overpriced </div></div>

One thing about Surefire light

1.There's plenty of spare parts for them
2.They have the best customer service which you can call just to get the replacement parts if you know how to talk to them.
 
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I'm what you call a flashlight whore.I have Surefire/pentagon/Flenix/streamlight/Inova,and on and on.
I just got a small Streamlight microstream (size of a 308 round)and for the size of this light it puts out some serious lumens.
 
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I almost hate to admit it because my old SF 12 ZM is still my "bump in the night" light, but my Fenix LOD is my favorite because it is bright as hell,uses AAA RC battery, and being only slightly larger than the battery is always in my pocket.
 
#24
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This is a bit off the track, however, we have problems keeping flashlights in the tractors and trucks where someone leaves them on and when needed the most they are dead. Does anyone make a good shake it up type, Farraday[sp] I believe, lite? I know they don't lite too long but would be better than a match or lighter in the wind. There are cheap ones around like Harbor Freight etc. but they don't last long, poor materials etc. Thanks, FM
 
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I don't know much about quality lights and you seem to be the guy to answer my questions.

I have a SureFire G2 that I keep in my hunting bag and I like the light, but it eats up batteries pretty quick. I'd like to find something about 1/2 as long as the G2, that will fit in my pocket, that doesn't eat batteries, has a bright/dim mode, and is bright as hell. Is there a such light made?

Please post some links with your suggetsions

Thanks for your time
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sakoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know much about quality lights and you seem to be the guy to answer my questions.

I have a SureFire G2 that I keep in my hunting bag and I like the light, but it eats up batteries pretty quick. I'd like to find something about 1/2 as long as the G2, that will fit in my pocket, that doesn't eat batteries, has a bright/dim mode, and is bright as hell. Is there a such light made?

Please post some links with your suggetsions


Thanks for your time </div></div>

SureFire makes quite a few lights that fit your requirements. Have you looked into converting your G2 to led? You will get much longer runtime on those batteries and the light will be much brighter.

Chuck
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I paid 125 for the M1x and 90 for the Ultra. Nothing like the surefire lights that are way overpriced </div></div>

What SureFire lights have you compared these to? Just curious.

Chuck
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chucky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SureFire makes quite a few lights that fit your requirements. Have you looked into converting your G2 to led? You will get much longer runtime on those batteries and the light will be much brighter.

Chuck
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Everything that I've read leads me to believe that SureFire is the way of the past. There are said to be new, better, cheaper lights to be had and that's the info I'm looking for
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just thougt I would post a couple links if you want to see and learn more about the "new" LED lights. </div></div>

What do you think of this light?

http://www.batteryjunction.com/nitecore-ez123-q5.html

This seems to fit the bill. Small, inexpensive, bright, durable

Do you have an experience with this model or brand?
 
#31
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SureFire is not the way of the past my friend. If you want a cheaper light that is made overseas there are plenty of them out there. If you want a quality light that is built to take the worst abuse you can give it get a SureFire.

When I was in the military I ran quite a few lights and I always went back to SureFire. I am not the only one that believes that, my whole military team that I work on believes that.

We honestly are not working at SureFire because we have to but because we want too. Out of the 8 of us we have all been on a two way range protecting our rights as American citizens and we know what works and what doesn't. The reason we work for SureFire is because we believe in the product.

Try sleeping at night knowing that you sold a product that you don't believe in. I am guessing it is not easy. I stand behind our product and our company stands behind our product.

Do I work for SureFire yes. I don't hide it. I believe in the product. I have beat the hell out of my Surefire and it kept on kicking. And when I finally did manage to break the thing it was fixed no questions asked. I have carried them to Iraq more than once and have beat the living hell out of them and they still worked. I had a nitrolon series light with an aluminum bezel. I drew that light from my holster so many times I wore the aluminum down to the glass and it was fixed no questions asked. That light also took a swim with me in Iraq in a canal for over an hour. When I got back to the FOB a few hours later my barrel on my M9 was rusted so bad I had to smack it against the concrete to get the slide to break free. The light still worked fine.

Most flashlight's today are made in China. Are they cheaper yes. Why wouldn't they be. Labor is cheaper. Do you think they care if it goes in harms way and fails. Hell FCKN no they don't care why would they. This is the same country that every month there is a new story about how they sold us dog food with lead, children's toy's with lead and so forth. They just want to earn a buck. This isn't there country and what do they care.


When I test our lights and suppressors I don't baby them. What good does that do. Myself and my teammates run them hard. If I drop a light from 50ft and it doesn't break great. I know that when it falls out of your pocket or slips out of your hand your not going to have any issues.

It's like the difference between a great athlete and a professional athlete. A great athlete does something till he gets it right. A professional does something till he can't get it wrong. That is the same with SureFire.

Most lights are rated at lumens at the emitter. We rate those outside the bezel. It's like bhp and rwhp. 600 lumens it great but how many times is that rated at what is theoretically should put out and not what it actually is putting out.

I am going to give you an example of other competitors lights. I bought a Malkoff device drop in led because of how great I heard these things are. I left it on my desk for 4 hours without a single issue. It ran cool and put out a lot of light. I threw a new set of batteries in it and put it in my arm rest and left it.

I went out to my truck a couple weeks later and tried to use it and it failed. I don't know if I forgot to lock out the tailcap on my 6P or what but it broke. This was not intentional and I was actually very impressed with the light before this but it let me down when I needed it.

Was this a bad bulb. Yes indeed. Was it possibly just a bad one that slipped through QC? possibly. Did that one incident completely make me lose my faith? Yes.

It was fixed no question's asked but I still don't trust it. In the complete time I was in the military my SureFire held up.

I know this is quite a long rant but whatever. I am just trying to say don't believe all that you read. There are a lot of guys out there that write articles that the only reason they have a job is because they are pure genius with words.

And then there are the guys out there that test products for no personnel gain other than the mindset that they tested something to the extreme. That they tested them so hard that they could sleep at night that if there friend was running this piece of kit he would be safe and that people back in the states could sleep in peace at night because he was a better warfighter.

In conclusion is there cheaper options out there for lights? Yes there is.

Would I want any of my friends or myself to carry them and have it possibly fail at the wrong time. NO

If anyone has any questions feel free to shoot me a pm or email. And if LL or any of the mods are offended by this shoot me a pm and I will take it down.

Chuck
 
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No offense taken Chuck, all you did was explain your position. Thanks for the info and thanks for your service.


What would you suggest from SureFire to fit my bill? I posted a link to a light, that is the size light I'm looking for. Something that you can slip into your front pocket. What do your recommend for EDC that meets those requirements?

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sakoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know much about quality lights and you seem to be the guy to answer my questions.

I have a SureFire G2 that I keep in my hunting bag and I like the light, but it eats up batteries pretty quick. I'd like to find something about 1/2 as long as the G2, that will fit in my pocket, that doesn't eat batteries, has a bright/dim mode, and is bright as hell. Is there a such light made?

Please post some links with your suggetsions

Thanks for your time </div></div>


Yeah the light you are looking for is a nitcore extreme with an AWRCR123 rechargable and an AW139 recharger. I have that set and its my go to light and my edc light. With a small twist of the bezel it goes from a candle to a sun in 1/4 second. You can set those two brightness levels to any setting you want. No more buying batteries. Buy 2 or 3 rechargeables. The batteries last a long time in the light too.

I got nothing against surefire but they are overpriced and under-performing. They still dont have any MCE-SSC-P7's and forget about SST-50 or SST-90's. My U2 cost 320 dollars and I can get the same "other brand" light for 85. The u2 is a dismal 100 lumens as well. My other brand is 700 lumens for a 4th the cost. If your worried about failure buy 4 of them. In this economy I know where my money is going. Now if the FED was paying for my light I would buy both and keep the SF as a backup because the surefire just isnt bright enough.

Nitecore extreme review

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Keep in mind these lights are surefire quality or BETTER! Not cheap Chinese inferior junk like over at dealextreme.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=198804

AW139 charger
https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=207

AW RCR123 battery (PROTECTED circuit)
https://www.fenix-store.com/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=201
 
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You know I have to say that Surefire does make weaponlight that meets the requirement of the U.S. military spec and soldiers trust and depend thier life on this light for a reason. This is the weaponlight that I recently bought and
as you can tell it meets every single requirement of a battlefield tested weaponlight that no other brand can compete with!!

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#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying the Nitecore is not a chicom made light.

I call bullshit on that. It is made by a chinese company in china.

http://www.nitecore.com/ContactUs/index.aspx </div></div>

I guess I didnt "SPLAIN" it good enough..........

I said its not cheap chinese junk like the lights at dealextreme. DX sells some junk garbage. The chicoms actually make good lights and a few great lights as well. The Jetbeam M1X is a great light. The nitecore, fenix and a few others are great lights. Stay far away from the junk lights.

If you think the SF lights dont fail think again.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying the Nitecore is not a chicom made light.

I call bullshit on that. It is made by a chinese company in china.

http://www.nitecore.com/ContactUs/index.aspx </div></div>

I guess I didnt "SPLAIN" it good enough..........

I said its not cheap chinese junk like the lights at dealextreme. DX sells some junk garbage. The chicoms actually make good lights and a few great lights as well. The Jetbeam M1X is a great light. The nitecore, fenix and a few others are great lights. Stay far away from the junk lights.

If you think the SF lights dont fail think again.

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Ill stick with my SF's. MADE IN THE USA!!!! Fuck those nutsack chicom's!

I dropped my first SF 6P from the cab of a Cat 623 on my trailer and broke the pyrex lense. I called SF up asking how I can get another lense, and (I TOLD THEM I BROKE IT BY DROPPING IT FROM A SCRAPER) they said "alright Mr. Jake, well get one out to you today..."

Two days later, A whole new bezel showed up. Free of charge.

You ain't gonna get that kind of customer service and product backup from some stinky ass sweatshop in china...


AND, I have yet to experience ONE failure!
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#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Heavy Haulin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crumpmd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you are saying the Nitecore is not a chicom made light.

I call bullshit on that. It is made by a chinese company in china.

http://www.nitecore.com/ContactUs/index.aspx </div></div>

I guess I didnt "SPLAIN" it good enough..........

I said its not cheap chinese junk like the lights at dealextreme. DX sells some junk garbage. The chicoms actually make good lights and a few great lights as well. The Jetbeam M1X is a great light. The nitecore, fenix and a few others are great lights. Stay far away from the junk lights.

If you think the SF lights dont fail think again.

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Ill stick with my SF's. MADE IN THE USA!!!! Fuck those nutsack chicom's!

I dropped my first SF 6P from the cab of a Cat 623 on my trailer and broke the pyrex lense. I called SF up asking how I can get another lense, and (I TOLD THEM I BROKE IT BY DROPPING IT FROM A SCRAPER) they said "alright Mr. Jake, well get one out to you today..."

Two days later, A whole new bezel showed up. Free of charge.

You ain't gonna get that kind of customer service and product backup from some stinky ass sweatshop in china...


AND, I have yet to experience ONE failure!
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Exactly and there's no other brand that has the customer service like Surefire does no matter what the quality of their light is. And did you know Surefire is a well known brand in China for a reason!!!Afterall, rich and educated Chinese does not buy their own brand if you know what I mean.
 
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Thread degradation!

Now its a USA VS China thread huh? I bet 90% of the stuff in your house is from China.

I dont need good customer service from a light manufacturer if the light cost 75% less. I buy one light if it breaks I buy another and I still save 50%. Problem solved.

And I really like the welfare mentality of your post. If "I" drop it and break it its my fault and "I" want someone else to fix it for free. How wonderful! And you brag about that? All your dropping and breaking the light did was drive up the cost of the surefire light to everyone else. Everyone else has to pay for your mistake. You had customer service help you. You had shipping help you. You had manufacturing help you all for free. Talk about spreading the wealth.

NO THANKS! If I break it I pay for it. I dont need any ---->FREE HANDOUTS! NO SIR!

One last thing the SF lights are OLD SCHOOL ancient LED technology. NO MCE, NO SSCP7, NO SST50, NO SST90 in an EDC format for under 100 dollars of any kind. You stay with that 100 lumen birthday candle and I will stick with my 900 lumen solar flare pocket light.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thread degradation!

Now its a USA VS China thread huh? I bet 90% of the stuff in your house is from China.

I dont need good customer service from a light manufacturer if the light cost 75% less. I buy one light if it breaks I buy another and I still save 50%. Problem solved.

And I really like the welfare mentality of your post. If "I" drop it and break it its my fault and "I" want someone else to fix it for free. How wonderful! And you brag about that? All your dropping and breaking the light did was drive up the cost of the surefire light to everyone else. Everyone else has to pay for your mistake. You had customer service help you. You had shipping help you. You had manufacturing help you all for free. Talk about spreading the wealth.

NO THANKS! If I break it I pay for it. I dont need any ---->FREE HANDOUTS! NO SIR!

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Hey <span style="font-weight: bold">Jackass</span>, I mean problemchild,

I happen to move machines with enough zero's in the weight and $$$ to make your lil boy ass pucker. Most of the time I have to do that in the middle of the night, rain or shine. I need a light that works RELIABLY. Thats why I chose SF. And will stick with SF.

And for your information, <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, when I so flaggerantly " dropped" my light, I was climbing to the top of the machine on the trailer to measure my height so I don't be a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, and hit a bridge or powerlines. It was wet, I was over 15 ft in the air, and it slipped out of my hands.

Since I'm not a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span> I carried TWO - MADE IN THE USA SUREFIRE LIGHTS. So I had a backup, and I carried on with my morning.

After I got home I promptly called SF, and I told them "<span style="font-weight: bold">I dropped my light from a scraper</span>, how can I <span style="font-weight: bold">PURCHASE</span> a replacement lense?"

SF - "...we'll get one out to you today..."

J - " ...here's my cc#.."

SF - "Mr Jake, we stand behind our product. It's free of charge."

J - " this is not a warranty issue. It slipped out of my hands when I was on top of a machine at work...."

SF - "...it will go out today."

So, if you would have just chilled out with a cup of shutthefukup, and really try to understand the point of my post in the first place, I wouldn't have to be wasting my breath on peepee's like you.

And by the way, it's nutsacks fluffers like you that push our MFG overseas. So what if you spend a few bucks more on a better made product?

ITS KEEPING OUR HOMEBOYS EMPLOYED, AND SUPPORTING OUR GREAT COUNTRY.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUY AMERICAN. IT AIN'T JUST A SLOGAN, IT'S A LIFESTYLE.</span></span>

And I live it MF. SO FUCK YOU AND YOUR HANDOUTS. BITCH.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thread degradation!



I dont need good customer service from a light manufacturer if the light cost 75% less. I buy one light if it breaks I buy another and I still save 50%. Problem solved.



One last thing the SF lights are OLD SCHOOL ancient LED technology. NO MCE, NO SSCP7, NO SST50, NO SST90 in an EDC format for under 100 dollars of any kind. You stay with that 100 lumen birthday candle and I will stick with my 900 lumen solar flare pocket light.</div></div>



So if it breaks 4 times you are sh!t out of luck, money and a flashlight right? I'll keep my SF too and my money here in the USA!!
 
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You know nothing personal but as someone who only buys quality light I could care less about the origin of manufacturer but SUREFIRE always back up what they sell no matter how the light was being abused at the first place and this is the reason why I stick with SUREFIRE. It's real product that fits real situation and I don't think there's another compnay like that in this world.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well where to start with this statement? First Xenon is old school fragile "bulb" technology. Drop that light and watch the bulb go dead. Second xenon is a HUGE waster of power. Xenon lasts about 1/3rd the time of a same watt LED. Third xenon runs hot. Fourth xenon has a bulb life of 20 minutes and LED is thousands of hours or more. Fifth LED is brighter. Look at surefire website and see the lumen ratings of xenon vs LED. Sixth the LED can use rechargable Lion batteries. Xenon will over-amp the rechargeable and kill them. Seventh the runtime of the xenon would be about 12-15 minutes max and the runtime of the LED would be about 1.5 hours on max. Last if I shined this light in your eyes you would be blinded for minutes and it may cause perm. damage.

I am also sure your xenon isnt 700 lumens. These lights are way brighter than your xenon. Have you held a modern day LED or are you comparing them to the purple bulb led's of the past?

One more thing surefire doesnt even use these high power LED's yet as they are running way behind the curve with new LED's. Look at surefires website and try to find an MCE or SST-50 or even a SST-90 flashlight. The SST-90 puts out a whopping 2400 Lumens that rivals an 35w HID in wattage.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BadBot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can over pay for those dim candles if you want to.
but if you want brighter then hell get Xenon!

the only type of light that can damage retinas that are not lasers IIRC.

take your led and shine it someplace then use a xenon to make the led dissappear by completely overpowering it.

mine is over 30 years old and still on its original bulb used every day for 24 years as a mechanic. its gone through hell and is still ticking.

Heres a divers 4AA for under $16
http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-pe-fl-2420mitylite.html

google pelican xenon there are loads of different models and colors. AAA keychain clip on your hat brim and up!

I wish all my stuff held up like these do!

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First Xenon is old school fragile "bulb" technology. Drop that light and watch the bulb go dead.

1. OK true it is a bulb. I have dropped it, in hot oil, in rocks, on concrete, on steel. It has been runover by trucks. As I said I am still using the original bulb, over 20 years on the job and 15 years since. Not dead yet! Ooh I am old school and also not dead yet.

Second xenon is a HUGE waster of power. Xenon lasts about 1/3rd the time of a same watt LED.

2. Probably true. 3.2 watts. Rated at 4 hours burn time. So were hemi v8s also from 1970s.

Third xenon runs hot.

3. Not that hot it is a hand held device. Never burned me.

Fourth xenon has a bulb life of 20 minutes and LED is thousands of hours or more.

4. I guess I’m real lucky getting 35 years out of a 20 min item. No stats for life rating.

Fifth LED is brighter. Look at surefire website and see the lumen ratings of xenon vs LED.

5. I won’t dispute, as I don’t know. It is just brighter than any tacticool lights I have been shown. Found 25 lumen / 5,800 lux @ 1 meter

Sixth the LED can use rechargeable Lion batteries. Xenon will over-amp the rechargeable and kill them.

6. get better lion then I know you can pull 40a out of some. Lion are killed by chargers more often than by light bulbs. I have pulled 80a out of nicads and they still worked. 3.2 watts can’t kill much can it? Can you supply a source for these statements?



Seventh the runtime of the xenon would be about 12-15 minutes max and the runtime of the LED would be about 1.5 hours on max.

7. I guess I’m real lucky again. Mine goes far longer than 15 minuets but max is the only setting except for off. Pelican rates 4 hours burn time, almost as good as your 1.5 hours. And I can change to fresh batteries in under 1 min (I’m old and slow) how long until yours is recharged?


Last if I shined this light in your eyes you would be blinded for minutes and it may cause perm. damage.

Last. I won’t dispute, as I don’t know. If you want to meet at high midnight we can have a shine down.

Every one else I am sorry I posted a possible optional item.
Pelican is US made in Torrance, ca according to the molded lettering on the side.
It is old school as am I. It is not tacticool LED or electronic. but I guess you can’t trust anything over 18 months old. My 1911, M1 garand and flashlight need to be in a land fill along with my sorry carcass. Come to think about it I do not have anything new enough to be trusted except what is in the refrigerator. And a few boxes of primers. Guess I’ll make a sandwich and load some ammo. I’ll try to remember I’m too old to trust and keep quiet. Remember I’m old and forget things, just remind me as problemchild has and I will try not to bother you any more.
 
#45
Re: Brighter than hell small flashlights

And nothing personal I just think it's foolish to buy one light that will break in a short period of time instead of buying a light that will last your lifetime especially during the critical condition if you know what I mean.
 
#46
Re: Brighter than hell small flashlights

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DODGE268</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fenix makes some good stuff cheap. I carry their PD20 in my pocket as a backup to my LED 6P on my duty belt. I'm not really sure why I even cary the Surefire anymore as the fenix is brighter lighter an cheaper.
Patrick
and in response to the Xenon bulb post,um, lots of cool things have happened since you bought your 3D cell Maglight at Wal-Mart twenty years ago. You might Google LED flashlights before posting something that retarded. </div></div>

No doubt. I just picked up a Fenix PD30+ and a TK11 R2 last week. I have been carrying both with me every day to try and decide which I like better as an EDC light. Before them it was a G2LED that treated me very well.

The TK11 has the rechargable battery, 240 lumens for over 2.5 hours on turbo which is nice but the PD30 has multiple settings from 10 lumen to 235 lumen on turbo plus strobe. If they could have put those extra settings into the TK11 I think it would be the perfect light. But the PD30 is full of features in a light small enough that I just throw it in my pocket with my keys.
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#47
Re: Brighter than hell small flashlights

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Heavy Haulin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thread degradation!

Now its a USA VS China thread huh? I bet 90% of the stuff in your house is from China.

I dont need good customer service from a light manufacturer if the light cost 75% less. I buy one light if it breaks I buy another and I still save 50%. Problem solved.

And I really like the welfare mentality of your post. If "I" drop it and break it its my fault and "I" want someone else to fix it for free. How wonderful! And you brag about that? All your dropping and breaking the light did was drive up the cost of the surefire light to everyone else. Everyone else has to pay for your mistake. You had customer service help you. You had shipping help you. You had manufacturing help you all for free. Talk about spreading the wealth.

NO THANKS! If I break it I pay for it. I dont need any ---->FREE HANDOUTS! NO SIR!

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Hey <span style="font-weight: bold">Jackass</span>, I mean problemchild,

I happen to move machines with enough zero's in the weight and $$$ to make your lil boy ass pucker. Most of the time I have to do that in the middle of the night, rain or shine. I need a light that works RELIABLY. Thats why I chose SF. And will stick with SF.

And for your information, <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, when I so flaggerantly " dropped" my light, I was climbing to the top of the machine on the trailer to measure my height so I don't be a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, and hit a bridge or powerlines. It was wet, I was over 15 ft in the air, and it slipped out of my hands.

Since I'm not a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span> I carried TWO - MADE IN THE USA SUREFIRE LIGHTS. So I had a backup, and I carried on with my morning.

After I got home I promptly called SF, and I told them "<span style="font-weight: bold">I dropped my light from a scraper</span>, how can I <span style="font-weight: bold">PURCHASE</span> a replacement lense?"

SF - "...we'll get one out to you today..."

J - " ...here's my cc#.."

SF - "Mr Jake, we stand behind our product. It's free of charge."

J - " this is not a warranty issue. It slipped out of my hands when I was on top of a machine at work...."

SF - "...it will go out today."

So, if you would have just chilled out with a cup of shutthefukup, and really try to understand the point of my post in the first place, I wouldn't have to be wasting my breath on peepee's like you.

And by the way, it's nutsacks fluffers like you that push our MFG overseas. So what if you spend a few bucks more on a better made product?

ITS KEEPING OUR HOMEBOYS EMPLOYED, AND SUPPORTING OUR GREAT COUNTRY.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUY AMERICAN. IT AIN'T JUST A SLOGAN, IT'S A LIFESTYLE.</span></span>

And I live it MF. SO FUCK YOU AND YOUR HANDOUTS. BITCH. </div></div>



Nice attitude and language, way to prove your point!

Its corporate greed and the current political BS that drives manufacturing overseas. I tried to buy American for a long time and finally gave up as NO ONE makes shit over here anymore. I recently bought what I thought was a smoker oven made in Texas by Smokin-Tex. When I was taking the very expensive smoker out of the box I see the "Made in China" sticker on the back. Its OVER! Things are not made here anymore. Blame the politicians for allowing outsourcing and all the other BS. Your anger is really misguided.

LCD TV= China
Computer=China
Air conditioner=China
Shoes=China
Clothes=China, Vietnam, India, every where else except USA
Radio=China
Truck= Parts made all over the world by cheapest bidder.
Camera=Japan
Fridge=China
Pots and pans=China
Hunting boots/gear=China

None of the Surefire (3) lights I bought had a "MADE IN AMERICA" sticker on them

Surefire aluminum=China
Surefire forward clicky=China
SureFire LED= China
Surefire chargers=China
Surefire electronics=China


By the way that post of yours was made on a CHINESE computer.
Enjoy your welfare chinese parts flashlight that cost 4x as much as any of the other lights I mentioned and isnt any better quality then a fenix, jetbeam or nitecore. That SF just cost more and has a lot less lumens. When I dropped my fenix it didnt break and I didnt have to request a welfare replacement. One last thing if you look at the picture I posted I DID buy surefire lights (3). They are an OK light but too expensive for what you get. If surefire made an MCE or SST50 for 100 I would buy it. They dont! Like I have said numerous times before in this WAY off topic pissing contest of a post SF lights are out dated technology. Where is the current cutting edge technology from SF? Did you know old technology and lack of new cutting edge lights is the main complaint of SF fans?

Surefires brightest LED light is 200 lumens. They were supposed to (announced 2 years ago) release the UB3. It never came to life like the many other lights they were supposed to release. Heres is a picture of the ub3 that never came to life. They did release an incan 2000 lumen monster a long time ago that cost $4,400 dollars. By the way it would have cost aprox 400 dollars for the UB3.

surefire-ub3-invictus2.jpg


Maybe if I get a chance I will post some white wall comparisons of my SF lights compared to the other lights so you can see the difference in brightness.



 
#49
Re: Brighter than hell small flashlights

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Heavy Haulin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thread degradation!

Now its a USA VS China thread huh? I bet 90% of the stuff in your house is from China.

I dont need good customer service from a light manufacturer if the light cost 75% less. I buy one light if it breaks I buy another and I still save 50%. Problem solved.

And I really like the welfare mentality of your post. If "I" drop it and break it its my fault and "I" want someone else to fix it for free. How wonderful! And you brag about that? All your dropping and breaking the light did was drive up the cost of the surefire light to everyone else. Everyone else has to pay for your mistake. You had customer service help you. You had shipping help you. You had manufacturing help you all for free. Talk about spreading the wealth.

NO THANKS! If I break it I pay for it. I dont need any ---->FREE HANDOUTS! NO SIR!

</div></div>

Hey <span style="font-weight: bold">Jackass</span>, I mean problemchild,

I happen to move machines with enough zero's in the weight and $$$ to make your lil boy ass pucker. Most of the time I have to do that in the middle of the night, rain or shine. I need a light that works RELIABLY. Thats why I chose SF. And will stick with SF.

And for your information, <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, when I so flaggerantly " dropped" my light, I was climbing to the top of the machine on the trailer to measure my height so I don't be a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span>, and hit a bridge or powerlines. It was wet, I was over 15 ft in the air, and it slipped out of my hands.

Since I'm not a <span style="font-weight: bold">jackass</span> I carried TWO - MADE IN THE USA SUREFIRE LIGHTS. So I had a backup, and I carried on with my morning.

After I got home I promptly called SF, and I told them "<span style="font-weight: bold">I dropped my light from a scraper</span>, how can I <span style="font-weight: bold">PURCHASE</span> a replacement lense?"

SF - "...we'll get one out to you today..."

J - " ...here's my cc#.."

SF - "Mr Jake, we stand behind our product. It's free of charge."

J - " this is not a warranty issue. It slipped out of my hands when I was on top of a machine at work...."

SF - "...it will go out today."

So, if you would have just chilled out with a cup of shutthefukup, and really try to understand the point of my post in the first place, I wouldn't have to be wasting my breath on peepee's like you.

And by the way, it's nutsacks fluffers like you that push our MFG overseas. So what if you spend a few bucks more on a better made product?

ITS KEEPING OUR HOMEBOYS EMPLOYED, AND SUPPORTING OUR GREAT COUNTRY.

<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">BUY AMERICAN. IT AIN'T JUST A SLOGAN, IT'S A LIFESTYLE.</span></span>

And I live it MF. SO FUCK YOU AND YOUR HANDOUTS. BITCH. </div></div>



Nice attitude and language, way to prove your point!

Its corporate greed and the current political BS that drives manufacturing overseas. I tried to buy American for a long time and finally gave up as NO ONE makes shit over here anymore. I recently bought what I thought was a smoker oven made in Texas by Smokin-Tex. When I was taking the very expensive smoker out of the box I see the "Made in China" sticker on the back. Its OVER! Things are not made here anymore. Blame the politicians for allowing outsourcing and all the other BS. Your anger is really misguided.

LCD TV= China
Computer=China
Air conditioner=China
Shoes=China
Clothes=China, Vietnam, India, every where else except USA
Radio=China
Truck= Parts made all over the world by cheapest bidder.
Camera=Japan
Fridge=China
Pots and pans=China
Hunting boots/gear=China

None of the Surefire (3) lights I bought had a "MADE IN AMERICA" sticker on them

Surefire aluminum=China
Surefire forward clicky=China
SureFire LED= China
Surefire chargers=China
Surefire electronics=China


By the way that post of yours was made on a CHINESE computer.
Enjoy your welfare chinese parts flashlight that cost 4x as much as any of the other lights I mentioned and isnt any better quality then a fenix, jetbeam or nitecore. That SF just cost more and has a lot less lumens. When I dropped my fenix it didnt break and I didnt have to request a welfare replacement. One last thing if you look at the picture I posted I DID buy surefire lights (3). They are an OK light but too expensive for what you get. If surefire made an MCE or SST50 for 100 I would buy it. They dont! Like I have said numerous times before in this WAY off topic pissing contest of a post SF lights are out dated technology. Where is the current cutting edge technology from SF? Did you know old technology and lack of new cutting edge lights is the main complaint of SF fans?

Surefires brightest LED light is 200 lumens. They were supposed to (announced 2 years ago) release the UB3. It never came to life like the many other lights they were supposed to release. Heres is a picture of the ub3 that never came to life. They did release an incan 2000 lumen monster a long time ago that cost $4,400 dollars. By the way it would have cost aprox 400 dollars for the UB3.

surefire-ub3-invictus2.jpg


Maybe if I get a chance I will post some white wall comparisons of my SF lights compared to the other lights so you can see the difference in brightness.



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Just curious where you are getting your facts about where are components are made? All the aluminum is machined in house, our reflectors and tailcaps as well machined in house. The anodizing is done by a local company. The aluminum is refilled every week by a distributor locally and without a lot of investigation I don't think it is coming from China. The glass I believe is produced in country. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that is manufactured outside the US is Seoul semiconductor led's are made in Korea. Led's though I don't even know if there is really a manufacturer in the US.

I just want to know where you got this info that you are posting about all our materials coming from China.

Thanks,

Chuck
 
#50
Re: Brighter than hell small flashlights

Change your name to MR flashlight!!!!!!!!!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just thougt I would post a couple links if you want to see and learn more about the "new" LED lights.

http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/ (dealers corner and manuf corner)

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/ (any section)


Here are most of my lights I have collected. Two are surefires .

DPP_0001a.jpg
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