Budget AR15

[Primus]

The question is based on ingnorance. Anyone who understands that knows the person asking the question, is asking the wrong question based off poor assumptions.

Otherwise like 80% if the people in this thread, you are doing the OP a disservice.

 

[260284]

A good friend of mine is looking for his first ar. I think I might recommend this one. What do you guys think? https://grabagun.com/ruger-ar-556-mpr-5-56mm-blk-18-30rd.html

My brother bought one of these minus the scope for his first AR. The trigger is great and the 1-8" barrel is very accurate with a variety of ammo. My son bought a PSA 16" kit with the enhanced trigger. Wasn't impressed at all. Accuracy wasn't there and the trigger wasn't very enhanced. He ended up buying a CMC trigger.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The question is based on ingnorance. Anyone who understands that knows the person asking the question, is asking the wrong question based off poor assumptions.

Otherwise like 80% if the people in this thread, you are doing the OP a disservice.

Oh please. I think you're overstating to cover your hyperbole. Go back to barfcom with your BS.

 

[Primus]

Yea I've only been on the hide for like 15 years. Not like some of us have building and shooting these for the last 20+ years.

And as bad as arfcom is, their Technical forums blow away the information here. Most of this shit is settled science but clowns like you want to try and reinvent the wheel.

Now if you want to take the Pepsi challange on who has built more ARs ( especially those used by Leo/Mil/KTRs) , I'll be your huckleberry.

Go get your shinebox.

Why don't u tell us all what your primary AR is?

 

[DukeGSP]

Yea I've only been on the hide for like 15 years. Not like some of us have building and shooting these for the last 20+ years.

And as bad as arfcom is, their Technical forums blow away the information here. Most of this shit is settled science but clowns like you want to try and reinvent the wheel.

Now if you want to take the Pepsi challange on who has built more ARs ( especially those used by Leo/Mil/KTRs) , I'll be your huckleberry.

Go get your shinebox.

Why don't u tell us all what your primary AR is?

Primus, we get it. You're a BAMF..

The original poster asked what was a good AR in the 500-800 dollar range. with that price range you can only stretch the word "good" so far. I believe we can all agree on that. the Colt 6720 you're recommending is out of his price range. is it a good Gun? of course but, it falls outside of his budget. give the guy a break. I don't think anyone here is saying that PSA is better than a Colt. if they did, I missed it.

your sodium levels are spiking for no reason. at 500-800 dollars I don't think the guy is expecting DD/BCM/LMT quality or his budget wouldn't be what it is.

don't doubt your experience or your education but I think we can both agree that a 5-800 AR is not a unfair price range to expect and receive a base line reliable gun.

no disrespect meant.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

This, plus this, and this. Five or ten minutes to assemble. I own exactly this combination myself.

Some of this, a few of these, and just like that; you're the first kid on your block to Rule The World!!!

Another ten minutes to get the sights on target. Bingo, Fait Accompli.

 

[Primus]

Primus, we get it. You're a BAMF..

The original poster asked what was a good AR in the 500-800 dollar range. with that price range you can only stretch the word "good" so far. I believe we can all agree on that. the Colt 6720 you're recommending is out of his price range. is it a good Gun? of course but, it falls outside of his budget. give the guy a break. I don't think anyone here is saying that PSA is better than a Colt. if they did, I missed it.

your sodium levels are spiking for no reason. at 500-800 dollars I don't think the guy is expecting DD/BCM/LMT quality or his budget wouldn't be what it is.

don't doubt your experience or your education but I think we can both agree that a 5-800 AR is not a unfair price range to expect and receive a base line reliable gun.

no disrespect meant.

A colt 6720 is about $800. That's what I suggested it as a baseline. There is nothing else cheaper that is worth it from a value perspective. Nothing.

The only reason colt can even do it at this price is they have been making these for 50 years and had to get it right for their .mil/contracting side. Commercial side gets that benefit. They get all the benefit of economy of scale, purchasing power and tooling/plant that is already amortized.


They were also the only commcerial entity that has owned access to the TDP ( they bought the IP from armalite) unlike Remington, LMT & FNH who cannot use intellectual property from the contract for commcerial sales for the M4 & m16.

Note I said baseline, they are as cheap as you want to go for something other than shooting dirt.

 

[kenny1773]

Primus (and yes I know I shouldn't ask this but humor me without being an ass)

What exactly is it in specific detail that is a FAIL with PSA?

How many have you owned that have failed on you? Do you have pictures and details of what failed and why?

I would like to know what it is about my PSA rifles that I should be concerned with.

(I do own several other brands as well, but PSA was my first)


WRT to your comments on Colt, do you work for them? or have you worked for them?

 

[Primus]

I work for Uncle Sam and have since I was 17. Government contract management is my current speciality but I've had a number of different jobs both in uniform and in a suit.

Professionaly I have probally worked on about 2-3k m16s & m4s from early m16a1s to newer a4s and m4s ( and just about every other small arm up to the .50cal in army inventory).

Personally, I have built around 75-100 ARs for myself and various friends/fam over the years. No idea how many I currently own but it's somewhere around 20. Earliest is a factory colt sp1 carbine and newest is a larue 6.5g that I picked up from the ups shop today on my lunch break.

I have been balls deep in this game since the late 90s and have been building and learning along the way. Ive built guns from parts companies you never even hear of.

I have built around 15 PSA guns from receivers/kits. The quality is just not on par with the big boys. Parts fitment is shit, rough cycling and questionable critical components. Pins that don't fit, holes drilled off center, piss poor internal threads and poor external threads on RE,ect. Uppers out of square requiring substantial facing just to so it can be zeroed/torqued within spec. Most of them were bought durring the post Sandy Hook scare when everyone was trying to buy em cheap and stack em deep. In that case a PSA is better than your cock in hand.

I take a few weeks each year and take training with some of the best trainers in the world. They share their experiences and recomendations based off dozens of students a week , providing feedback what works and what doesn't. Only an idiot would not listen to their advice. It's also a great opportunity to take with other like minded people who actually fucking shoot and train(and not pretend on social media like half the people here do) and gain down insight from their experiences. Also a great time to try out new tech. ( Thought red dots on pistols were a gimmick till I got smoked by a 75yr old dude a class 5 yrs ago). It's a humble check.

I'm actually not that big of a fan of colt overall. They fucked over the industry for years with high prices and shitty customer service. Their quality has gone down as they have cheapened products to increase profit margin. There is a book Worth's of corruptions, missmanagement and graft that could be attributed to colts ownership alone. They only lowered their prices due to the market forcing them to.

BCM exists today becuase colt would not adapt/update/provide customers with what they want.

BCM makes the best mil spec style AR on the planet and it's not even close. If you what goes into their products and how much they really care about the end user, you would be shooting a BCM. In my opinion they only outfit that makes a superior rifle is KAC.

With years of experience and building guns, the SR15 is the one you can't build. They are are hands down the best AR15 you can buy. You may be able to piece some parts together (and you will spend a fortune doing it) but it will not come close to the system. A system that is tested and proven beyond reproach. This is the company that is single handidly responsible for the modern large frame AR and probally the biggest single contributor to the AR15 development.

You see this is what people don't understand. The experience, the history, the players, the evolution of this rifle is a story. Everything I say is within this context. There are a ton more qualified to speak on it than I and some are on this site. But the point I'm making is most of the people here running their suck hole, have no fucking idea what they are talking about. They are so ignorant that they don't know what they don't know .

Some guys shoot some don't, some train some don't. Everyone posts on the fucking internet. If you want any value from this and don't want to learn the same hard lessons many of us already have, you need to be carefull who you take advice from. 95% of the people on this site should be posting a whole lot less and reading/learning a whole lot more.

 

[Jsp556]

People on the internet defending shit purchases. ??

 

[Primus]

Half the times its just them trying to validate a dumb purchase. They know deep down what they own is shit but need other people to reassure them. It's like clockwork on various gun boards. Then when you give them the truth they get defensive and want you to write a fucking dissertation defending your statement.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Also a great time to try out new tech. ( Thought red dots on pistols were a gimmick till I got smoked by a 75yr old dude a class 5 yrs ago). It's a humble check.

Funniest part of the thread. Guy makes sure to tell us in every post that he's cutting edge and knows everything, but just recently realized pistol dots are a real advantage.
He'll probably never admit that pistol dots are a straight gamer invention since he also believes all shooting sports are for fags and the only gun use that matters is stacking bodies...

 

[Primus]

What the fuck are u babling about. I said about 5 years ago when coincidentally, they were just starting to get popular with tac shooters and LE world.

Dots have been used on pistols for 30 years, the only difference is no one used them on fighting guns until the unit started experimenting with them in their G22s back in the day. The increased g force would destroy any optic tested and they ended up going back to 9mm also in conjunction with malfunctions related to frame mounted lights/lasers.

Next time you pull out your dick, make sure it's not against someone who's is bigger, blacker and Can make your girl moan harder.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Yup, like I said, nothing matters unless the military is doing it.
Extra points for the added vulgarity when you run out of ways to make yourself sound cool.

 

[Primus]

Is this where you tell us you were going to join the military but......( Insert pathetic excuse why I'm a pussy) ?

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I actually agree with a lot of the things you say, its the 100% commitment to being a douche that makes all your useful information go unnoticed since most of the forum can't stand you.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

BCM are my favorite rifles that I have.

 

[kenny1773]

Personally, I have built around 75-100 ARs for myself and various friends/fam over the years. No idea how many I currently own but it's somewhere around 20. Earliest is a factory colt sp1 carbine and newest is a larue 6.5g that I picked up from the ups shop today on my lunch break.

So building and owning are not really relevant to my question. Having built an AR does not explain why PSA ARs are shit, right?

I have been balls deep in this game since the late 90s and have been building and learning along the way. Ive built guns from parts companies you never even hear of.

OK

I have built around 15 PSA guns from receivers/kits. The quality is just not on par with the big boys. Parts fitment is shit, rough cycling and questionable critical components. Pins that don't fit, holes drilled off center, piss poor internal threads and poor external threads on RE,ect. Uppers out of square requiring substantial facing just to so it can be zeroed/torqued within spec.

NOW WE ARE GETTING TO IT!

But then I am completely disappointed by your lack of specifics of an underlying inherent problem that affects EVERY PSA AR made.

If I encountered any of the things you did, I would call PSA and get another part, right? I mean nothing you are saying here means a PSA gun without these specific defects is shit, and PSA would send another part under warranty for anything you described above.

Simply saying "questionable critical components" isn't meaningful. Explain why the component is suspect to you?


******* Is your entire argument that PSA is shit based on a few defective parts you received? ******


I will give you the stat that PSA might have a slightly higher defect rate than Colt, but I really don't know and don't even know where to find that info. If you identify a part as defective, get it replaced, only a fool would use it and force it into spec IMO

{this part snipped because while entertaining has nothing to do with the question I posed}

So here I am, looking for something more than 'hey I got a couple defective parts' to explain why PSA is shit

Is the PSA 7075-T6 Aluminum inferior and not to spec?
Do the PSA buffers shatter inside the tube at 1000 rounds?
Are the gas keys not staked properly?
Are the carpenter 158 bcgs really not carpenter 158?
Do they not really high pressure test? and mag particle inspect?
inferior material in the extractor or o-ring?
Do they really not use grade 8 fasteners?
Is their nitride process incorrect and weak?
Are the barrels going to melt down in 2000 rounds?

Do you see what I am after?

I got the message that you had some defective parts and for whatever reason you didn't call them and get replacement parts that were not defective.

My parts are not defective, they are as advertised and fit together perfectly and cycle perfectly. (and remember I own 1 PSA and at least 3 other brands of ARs, so I have something to compare to, I have also shot plenty of Colt ARs just don't own one).

So now what exactly is it about the non-defective PSA parts in my rifle that I need to be concerned with?

If you tell me the gas rings are made of tin foil, I will go buy BCM ones to replace them

Now is my 99% PSA and 1% BCM rifle ok to shoot?

Help me fix my inferior rifle with exact details as to what it is that makes it shit so I can replace or improve on that specific issue


Maybe I need start a new thread and go component by component and have someone here explain it to me. I admit I don't know everything there is to know about guns, but I can understand simple concepts like this metal alloy is stronger than that one etc etc, and what I don't understand first hand, I can google and usually find enough detail to make it make sense to me.

So help me figure this out?

 

[Primus]

You do not have the base knowledge to even ask the right questions. Stop rattling off shit like types of material that are not even relevant to the discussion. You need to go back and re-read everything posted.

You are name dropping alloys when you don't even fucking know what they mean. You know why carpenter 158 is "preferred" or why you may want 9130 or someone would use 8620? Know what T6 means and how it's relevant to a part? What the tenstile strength and properties are for 6061 and 7075 are at different heat treatments or why one is better or certain application? Why you need to create marensite with certain steels depending on the application. Know why CMV is superior to 4140/4150 for a particular application like barrels? The difference between a shit casted part finished on a machine and a quality EDM cut part? OR how all of this is fucking irrelevant if the parts are A. Not specced correctly, B. Not machined correctly. C. Don't go through post inspection / destructive /non destructive and/or D. The company selling it never QA/QC the shit they bought from the lowest bidder.

You do not know what you do not know. If you have only eaten burgers your whole life and someone told you about steak, how much better it tastes , you can't possible understand until you sink your teeth into that ribeye, or 100 of them.

You want me to write a book of the complete history and intricaties that is gained from thousands of hours of experience becuase you don't like the awnser? Go read a book or 50 on the subject. Go spend a few decades living in the arms room and on the range, throw a couple deployments in there living out of conexes with no class IX support, go shoot a couple hundred thousand rounds down range through the AR platform on everything from 7" kitty kats to SAM-r muskets. Go spend a few semesters taking night classes at the local college to learn manual machining and metalurgy just to enhance your gunsmithing skills. Maybe then you will "get it". Becuase you seem to fucking dense and stupid to listen to lessons already learned.


So either take my advice or don't. I don't give a shit at this point. Already wasted enough time trying to help you.

 

[502Chevelle]

Why don’t you just save a little more and buy a quality rifle to start with and avoid some potential headaches. Go JP.

 

[Codiekfx400]

@bigjake83 You are a Ar guy what do you think of all this rambling.

 

[kenny1773]

OK I figured I would not get a meaningful answer. That is why my first post heading down this road said what it said

I am done, thanks for sharing all your detailed knowledge

 

[Anb618]

OK I figured I would not get a meaningful answer. That is why my first post heading down this road said what it said

I am done, thanks for sharing all your detailed knowledge

Sorry your thread turned into a s***-sandwich.?
Don’t know if you’re still looking for a rifle, but as much crap has been dumped on PSA in here I’ll stir the pot with a suggestion.

PSA has their 14.7” (pinned A2 flash-hider =16”) CHF FN barreled upper with Geissele MK14 handguard on sale right now for $499. Great quality barrel with an even better rail system. Everyone uses cast upper receivers from only a few foundries anyways. Throw in a NiB bolt carrier group from any reputable company (PSA has $99 sales frequently) and a basic lower from any reputable company, and you should easily come in under $800. Accessorize with your preferred buttstock and grip, and you’ll have what ends up being your perfect “do-all” carbine.

I have the same upper on my duty rifle (different handguard, they used to have a proprietary PSA MLok handguard on this upper, so the Geissele is a hell of an upgrade for the same price) with multiple thousands of rounds through it in LE classes, training, and yearly quals over the past four years. Never an issue.

Good luck in your search.

EDIT - wanted to add the link...

PSA 14.7" Mid-Length CHF 5.56 NATO 1:7 Geissele 13" MK14 M-Lok Upper - No BCG or CH - Pinned & Welded

Barrel: Barrel is made for Palmetto State Armory by FN Manufacturing using their proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue

palmettostatearmory.com

 

[TxWelder35]

I'll second a psa AR. I have one the kits with an FN CHF barrel and their premium BCG with couple thousand rounds through mine with no hiccups. Ran it with an echo trigger a lot lately also with no problems.

PSAs new gen2 ar15 rifles will come with Toolcraft BCGs also. You will get a ton of value from one of those guns.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Who's writing dissertations?

Too many to read. It's clear you're the bestest AR poster in this thread. I won't hold a candle to your knowledge, experience, and expertise. Please forgive me for sharing my opinion on the "Budget" AR.

I'll step out of you and your HUGE cocks way.

Did you really mean it when you told me you were my Huckleberry?

 

[bigjake83]

@bigjake83 You are a Ar guy what do you think of all this rambling.

I think Primus is a ignorant TWAT!!




If the OP is even bothering to continue reading this shit show this is his best option. The Colt OEM rifle with the lowpro Gas Block will allow him to choose a comfortable Free Floating Handguard of his liking, which will aid and accuracy. He then gets to also choose the Stock that best suits his needs. While he's getting to know his new rifle I'd recommend he keeps a look for deals for a SSA-E Trigger.

https://clydearmory.com/colt-le6920-oem2.html

Now If the OP is truly unable to push the budget over $800, and he's not putting his life on the line and just wants a Plinker, the Ruger will work just fine.

https://grabagun.com/ruger-ar-556-mpr-5-56mm-blk-18-30rd.html

And honestly the only reason I'm not just out right recommending the Ruger is because it's a somewhat new product, but if they are putting as much attention to detail in to their AR as they do their RPRs I'm sure it's a fine rifle, and at under $600 he could drop the current barrel and have a CLE installed and still be ahead of the game.

 

[Primus]

Another one short on reading comprehension.

What happens to those receivers castings and forgings all from the same foundry? They all must go to the same machine shops running the same CNC and inspection process right?

Everything works, until it doesn't. If you have never experienced parts or manufacturing related failure you do NOT have enough experience to have a valid opinion. Might as well ask some crack head what his opinion on the matter is.

Jake knows fuckall about Ars just another jerk off, low IQ poster running his suck hole.

Only a moron would recommend a substandard rifle and then adding parts that will end up costing more than a quality rifle with superior parts would be in the first place. Math not your strong suite little Jakey?

 

[rpoL98]

... Everyone uses cast upper receivers from only a few foundries anyways. ...

I think most everyone uses forged upper receivers, as evidenced by the forge marks, e.g. Anchor-Harvey, Cerro (keyhole), Brass-Aluminum-Forging Enterprises (square). I'm pretty sure that's what you meant.

 

[Primus]

Lol no let him keep going. Remember vucan/Hesse?

On a serious note there is no reason a cast receiver properly machined would not work. It will never be as strong as the same alloy forged due to the crystaline structure but the reality is there is little external force put on AR recievers I the first place. It's more important that they are machined to correct dimensions, than what type of Alloy they are. Will probally never see it , most of the cost in a finished reciever is machine time. The delta between a cast and forged blank would be negligible.

Propper heat treating & normalization would be the key.

 

[Anb618]

I think most everyone uses forged upper receivers, as evidenced by the forge marks, e.g. Anchor-Harvey, Cerro (keyhole), Brass-Aluminum-Forging Enterprises (square). I'm pretty sure that's what you meant.

Jesus. As I suspected, I’m immediately sorry I joined the conversation. This place never changes. Yes, I misspoke, and meant to say forged.

Good luck OP. Hope you find what you’re looking for.

 

[rpoL98]

Jesus. As I suspected, I’m immediately sorry I joined the conversation. This place never changes. Yes, I misspoke, and meant to say forged.

Good luck OP. Hope you find what you’re looking for.

@Anb618
Dude, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical of you, I know it was an innocuous error, just was worried that somebody seeing this thread in the future might actually think "cast receivers", sorry my comment addition was taken the wrong way. There was a thread on TOS about MIM receivers that gained some notoriety before being clarified as nonsense. Again, my respectful apologies.

 

[Anb618]

@Anb618
Dude, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical of you, I know it was an innocuous error, just was worried that somebody seeing this thread in the future might actually think "cast receivers", sorry my comment addition was taken the wrong way. There was a thread on TOS about MIM receivers that gained some notoriety before being clarified as nonsense. Again, my respectful apologies.

After rereading your original reply (without the post following it) I see you were just correcting my info, not criticizing. Seeing the post after yours from the above douche-nozzle changed your intent in my head. No apology necessary.

I left this forum for a while after constantly seeing a bunch of internet-jackasses like above (I get enough BS at work daily, don’t want to deal with it on my off-time). Just came back to peruse SH recently since I’m working on putting together a 6mmCM and have also been listening to LowLight’s podcast. Figured I’d check back in and see how things are. Not much of a poster usually, but had just seen that PSA deal so I posted it up with my anecdotal positive insights on the product.

Again, good luck OP

 

[bigjake83]

Jake knows fuckall about Ars just another jerk off, low IQ poster running his suck hole.

Only a moron would recommend a substandard rifle and then adding parts that will end up costing more than a quality rifle with superior parts would be in the first place. Math not your strong suite little Jakey?

Riiiiiiight, that's why fellow Hide members are specifically asking for my help?

I honestly can't even keep track of all the times I've called you out Primus, you're a fucking Liar! A fucking Poge at best. Please!? post up a 214, or your Armor certification, you can redact your personal information.

But we all know that won't happen why, because you're just another internet Fake that contributes absolutely nothing but animosity and discontent.

 

[Magnumitis]

Over the last few years, with no prior experience, I've assembled 8 PSA kits on Anderson lowers. A few have 1000's of rounds through them, a few have few rounds. A couple have Geissele super 42's, half have SSA or SDE triggers, one has a seekins barrel. Waiting for a failure yet. I would like to try something new though. I did get to assemble this for a friend recently. Aero upper/lower/nib bcg, SSA-E, Super 42, WOA 1-7 18" SPR and BCM furniture:

 

[Primus]

Riiiiiiight, that's why fellow Hide members are specifically asking for my help?

I honestly can't even keep track of all the times I've called you out Primus, you're a fucking Liar! A fucking Poge at best. Please!? post up a 214, or your Armor certification, you can redact your personal information.

But we all know that won't happen why, because you're just another internet Fake that contributes absolutely nothing but animosity and discontent.

Yea let me throw up a bunch of PII with my social, name , dob, what schools I went to. Get the fuck out of here clown.

A novice asking for you? Ignorance is bliss.

If you are so hard on for that shit, go ahead and post yours. Let's see your 214/22s & deployments. Otherwise shut the fuck up and go back in your hole.

 

[Evolution 9]

Primus,

Two posts ago you complained about reading comprehension, yet even after quoting him, you seem to have missed Jakes offer/suggestion of redacting your personal info.

 

[Primus]

Not gonna happen bubba. No one but an idiot is putting their PII up on the net and a redacted copy could be fabricated in 5 minutes in Adobe. It's a lose lose and I don't see anyone else offering to throw their cards on the table.

See you know I am correct , and he knows he can't disprove me. So the only way to discredit is some rediculous task that no one but a fool would do.

Yes I'm gonna risk that so some asshole can red flag or dox me with my employer or customers. Are you insane?

Since he brought up credentials, let him throw his down on the table. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[Evolution 9]

Primus,

The rest of us don’t get asked to do that stuff because we generally aren’t putting others down by claiming to be immeasurably greater than them through experience or intellect.

Almost everyone here thinks you’re an arrogant prick. I genuinely think you have some good information to offer at times, and I even recently “liked” one of your posts, but if you can’t be a decent human being nobody is going to see past your very poor and immature attitude to realize that some of your ideas are valuable.

Try it, man. Just try for a week to give your opinions and advice without putting anyone down (even if they deserve it). I promise it will change your life for the better.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

Next time you pull out your dick, make sure it's not against someone who's is bigger, blacker and Can make your girl moan harder.

Pictures or it didn't happen

 

[Son of Dorn]

I've been watching this thread for a bit. I'm not 100% sure the OP is even still following it, but anyway. Here's a couple of suggestions for the OP and for anyone else looking to build/buy their first AR:

1. Figure out what you need in one versus what you want. For example, you might be tempted by an adjustable gas block, the latest-and-maybe-not-so-greatest rail system, all sorts of laser sights and IR illuminators and Trijicons and every kind of acronym you could think of, and a fancy stock, but how much of that do you need? My own (one and only) AR is a clone of the XM16E1 and honestly that's all I need out of one. 20" barrel (not the best twist rate at 1:12 but it's not meant to be a tack driver), plain handguards, fixed stock, and simple easy-to-use sights. I also built a second carbine upper for it that's based on the XM177s and again, that's all I really needed. I could've made it a "M4gery" or tricked it out with every bell and whistle, but didn't need to because a simple rifle worked best.

2. Once you have decided on how simple or complicated you want your AR to be (and I would advise simple first), see what you can either buy or build within what you think you want your budget to be and then adjust your budget to reflect the shortcomings. My M16 clone cost me about $1K because I wanted it to be right, and that factored in using original parts, furniture, and having some custom engraving done on the receiver, but I could've shaved off a few hundred or more going with newer made stuff. But when I laid out my budget, I made sure that I gave myself wiggle room in case things went over (and they did just a little).

To the OP, your budget said $500-$800. Good starting point. Maybe adjust it to $900 if you think you can to have that upper-limit wiggle room. But the root of the problem, I think, is that you never said what exactly (or inexactly) you were looking for (and with the AR, the options are legion), so that makes it all the harder for us to help out.

 

[Jmkjr87]

Im just a retard but i bought a anderson lower and anderson lower parts kit for 100 bucks. Then got a PSA upper, 16 inch chrome moly line barrel made by fn, came with a nice handgaurd and full length rail and it was on sale for 280 during black friday. I won a auction on ebay for daniel defense furniture kit which came with front and rear grip and adjustable rear stock and bought a buffer tube and spring from midway usa. All toghether it cost less than 500 bucks. I put a sig romeo 5 on it for optics. Ive put 8000 rounds through since december 14. I remeber the day because i bought my new truck and came up and my upper was waiting on my front porch. Ive no issues what so ever and i am still using the same firing pin. Is it a tack driver? NO IT IS NOT. Maybe 1.5 MOA on its best day. Would i bet my life on it if i had to. Yes would i prefer a daniel defense instead in that situation? Yes just cant afford it right now

 

[Mike_in_FL]

Is it a tack driver? NO IT IS NOT. Maybe 1.5 MOA on its best day.

That being said, have you ever run anything like FGMM 69 or 77 through it? If someone ever claimed to be shooting sub moa with some of the ball 55/62 out there I think you'd see as much of a train wreck as the rest of this has been, lol.

 

[Jmkjr87]

That being said, have you ever run anything like FGMM 69 or 77 through it? If someone ever claimed to be shooting sub moa with some of the ball 55/62 out there I think you'd see as much of a train wreck as the rest of this has been, lol.

I hand load for all my guns and i did try some 69 and 77 smk but didnt really find a load that i like but didnt really try that hard either. I got a great deal on demilled, I think its m139 ball. 55gn fmj bthp w/c. I got 20 plus pounds of WC-844 surplus powder that ive been making some cheap rounds with. It costs me 130 bucks to make a 1000 rounds. I built the gun to tear stuff up with and never intended it to be a tack driver, but if i took the time to do some load development i could prolly get it down to 1 MOA. the barrel is a 1-7 twist

 

[Mike_in_FL]

I hand load for all my guns and i did try some 69 and 77 smk but didnt really find a load that i like but didnt really try that hard either. I got a great deal on demilled, I think its m139 ball. 55gn fmj bthp w/c. I got 20 plus pounds of WC-844 surplus powder that ive been making some cheap rounds with. It costs me 130 bucks to make a 1000 rounds. I built the gun to tear stuff up with and never intended it to be a tack driver, but if i took the time to do some load development i could prolly get it down to 1 MOA. the barrel is a 1-7 twist

There's nothing wrong with that. I just get a laugh out of some of these threads because if your rifle is too cheap first it won't run and then it's not accurate.

 

[Jmkjr87]

There's nothing wrong with that. I just get a laugh out of some of these threads because if your rifle is too cheap first it won't run and then it's not accurate.

I live in upstate NY and the definition of a assault weapon changes weekly and depending on the cop and his interpretation of the safe act they may take your rifle even if its legal. Im not gonna drop 2000 on a DD and have it taken in the name of saving the kids. So i went cheap and if i get pulled over for a tailights and spot the gun case and wanna make surefor there "saftey" that is unloaded and they take the fucker im not out a ton of money

 

[Snuby642]

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The last barrel I got from them is just under 1 moa with factory Hornady 6.5g

I have another ar stoner barrel I need to paint before assembling just received.
It appears in good shape as well.

I'd spend more on barrel if I could but they are replaceable.

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[Jefe's Dope]

I live in upstate NY

What part? I know some people upstate.

 

[Jmkjr87]

What part? I know some people upstate.

Herkimer county, i live in mohawk, 15 min east of utica, 1.5 hrs east of syracuse

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Herkimer county, i live in mohawk, 15 min east of utica, 1.5 hrs east of syracuse

My peeps are in North Syracuse and Oswego mostly. Great place nobody thinks about when you tell them New York. ?

 

[Jmkjr87]

My peeps are in North Syracuse and Oswego mostly. Great place nobody thinks about when you tell them New York. ?

When u say NY they think of that shithole NYC. Any of ur friends know of a 1000 yd range out by them. And before you say sheep dog warrior, i asked them last week and they told me 450 max range