Advanced Marksmanship Bump Firing 101

[nacraracer]

Just wondering how many have tried it. I know it looks like a TOTAL waste of ammo but at the same time a little fun. I don't like the idea of bump firing from the hip. A bit dangerous if you ask me. Besides buying the 350.00 stock is there a way to do it from the shoulder?

 

[CommAV8OR]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nacraracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wondering how many have tried it. I know it looks like a TOTAL waste of ammo but at the same time a little fun. I don't like the idea of bump firing from the hip. A bit dangerous if you ask me. Besides buying the 350.00 stock is there a way to do it from the shoulder? </div></div>

Dangerous from the hip? Maybe...do it at a private range or friends farm with a huge backstop! (mine is 150 feet high by 700 yards left to right)
Fun...F*%& YA! Waste of ammo, also F*%$ YA.
You do it correctly, you may melt a barrel and cook a round off.
Not speaking from experience of course...well, I guess I am.

I've not seen any other bump fire methods that work beside from a belt loop or pocket lip. I've never seen or used an effective bump fire from the shoulder.

Of course you could forego the special stock and buy a ?????.?? registered lower.

 

[Strangedays]

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I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin"

 

[bowhunter_0311]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIC8SMttjjo

here you go another method...

 

[deadly0311]

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here is another........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdhZNsKCvvY&feature=related

 

[Wade]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin" </div></div>

I couldn't agree more. Maggie's drawers, maybe?

 

[customgun1]

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been there done that ....good way to break firing pins...and cause serious wear on your weapon...fun but not recommend

 

[was21]

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WTH?
New direction for the Hide ?????.... in the ADV MKSMSHIP forum???

Maybe a new teaching curriculum for Frank to add to his training venue!!!

 

[Veer_G]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin" </div></div>

I couldn't agree more. Maggie's drawers, maybe? </div></div>

How very, very tacticool.

 

[65nut]

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lots of practice. search it on youtube.

 

[perkantino]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin"</div></div>

+1+1+1+1

Thank you

 

[Peloton]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: perkantino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin"</div></div>

+1+1+1+1

Thank you </div></div>

+1

 

[ThrottleJ]

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Can I please get some tips on shooting my pistol tilted gangster style? My accuracy is not too good so far so I feel this falls under advanced marksmanship. Lol!

 

[nacraracer]

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I tried bump firing the other day and could not do it. How do you do it with the rubber band?

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThrottleJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can I please get some tips on shooting my pistol tilted gangster style? My accuracy is not too good so far so I feel this falls under advanced marksmanship. Lol! </div></div>

 

[Hink]

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Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time.

So if a person can 'bump fire' a semi auto, good on 'em. If it requires any modification, then don't do it.

 

[elephantrider]

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So what is it about bump firing that is so hard on the gun? I realize that the higher rate of fire will generate more heat in the barrel and accelerate barrel wear, etc. But I cant see how bumping one or two mags would really cause that much harm.
I would think that a good quality chrome lined AR or AK would be able to handle that.
How does it cause broken firing pins? As far as cooking a round off, was that after many mag dumps?
And, yes bump firing is a big waste.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time.

So if a person can 'bump fire' a semi auto, good on 'em. If it requires any modification, then don't do it. </div></div>

do you have some case information to support this? i can see using a rubber band to hold back the secondary sear as creating a machine gun by definition but using one on your finger, the firearm is still fires one round per function of the trigger.

 

[TOP PREDATOR]

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just buy the license and get a real trigger group.

bump firing is to rapid fire as a soda bottle and duct tape is to silencers.

 

[Hink]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time.

So if a person can 'bump fire' a semi auto, good on 'em. If it requires any modification, then don't do it. </div></div>

do you have some case information to support this? i can see using a rubber band to hold back the secondary sear as creating a machine gun by definition but using one on your finger, the firearm is still fires one round per function of the trigger. </div></div>

ATF letter regarding legality of bump fire and trigger modification

 

[GunKnowledge]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time.

So if a person can 'bump fire' a semi auto, good on 'em. If it requires any modification, then don't do it. </div></div>

do you have some case information to support this? i can see using a rubber band to hold back the secondary sear as creating a machine gun by definition but using one on your finger, the firearm is still fires one round per function of the trigger. </div></div>

ATF letter regarding legality of bump fire and trigger modification </div></div>

You just quoted something that proves you're wrong.

For those who are too lazy to read, it reminds the writer than manipulation to fire more than one round with each manipulation of the trigger is illegal. The AR15 rubber band trick does NOT fire more than one round with each manipulation of the trigger. Using the rubber band/shoe lace to restrain the sear and fire automatically with only ONE trigger pull is illegal.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time. </div></div>

What a completely wrong and asinine statement. So by your logic someone can go to jail for hanging a rubber band around the barrel to???



For those who don't know, the hip method is retarded, dangerous & practically worthless.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nacraracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I tried bump firing the other day and could not do it. How do you do it with the rubber band? </div></div>

The AR15 rubber band method has nothing to do with the sear, and is accomplished by:

1. Finding a large thick rubber.
2. Looping it over the AR15 trigger.
3. Swinging the free end around the front of the magwell.
4. Looping it again over the AR15 trigger.

This ends up using the rubber band to attempt to "pull" the trigger forward towards the magwell, so after pulling the trigger and firing a round, the rubber quickly yanks your trigger foward again, so if you hold your rifle forward and have a firm trigger finger pulling back, you can quickly bump fire.

But this method allows you to shoulder the weapon, aim well, fire rapidly, and remove the "assisting" device quickly and with no modifications to the weapon.

 

[300sniper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Affixing a rubber band to a firearm has been considered by the ATF, in the past, to be considered construction of an automatic firearm and a violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934, punishable by a fine and significant prison time.

So if a person can 'bump fire' a semi auto, good on 'em. If it requires any modification, then don't do it. </div></div>

do you have some case information to support this? i can see using a rubber band to hold back the secondary sear as creating a machine gun by definition but using one on your finger, the firearm is still fires one round per function of the trigger. </div></div>

ATF letter regarding legality of bump fire and trigger modification </div></div>

in my opinion, they confirmed what i suspected. a rubber band is NOT modifying a trigger so that it fires more than one round per function of the trigger.

i wouldn't do it because i prefer to actually aim and hit what i am aiming at but i don't think you would be violating any nfa laws. now certain states may have laws on the books that are more strict than nfa (possible the one i live in) and prohibit rubber bands. i've never looked into it and won't pretend to know everyone's local laws.

 

[Hink]

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KSwift, many thanks to you for replying in a well thought out, respectful manner. A reminder though -- no shoestrings on your AR.

If a person was inclined to read the letter in the link they would find that yes, the ATF has specified that the firearm must fire more than a single round per trigger actuation to be considered a machinegun. If you want to attach a rubberband to the trigger of your AR and roll the dice with the ATF, then be my guest. Apparrently, it doesn't even take that much.

Weapon wear results in conviction

I stand by my earlier statement -- if a person can bump fire, then good on 'em. If it takes any attachments, modifications, additions, or subtractions; any changes at all, then I wouldn't do it.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KSwift, many thanks to you for replying in a well thought out, respectful manner. A reminder though -- no shoestrings on your AR.

If a person was inclined to read the letter in the link they would find that yes, the ATF has specified that the firearm must fire more than a single round per trigger actuation to be considered a machinegun. If you want to attach a rubberband to the trigger of your AR and roll the dice with the ATF, then be my guest. Apparrently, it doesn't even take that much.

Weapon wear results in conviction

I stand by my earlier statement -- if a person can bump fire, then good on 'em. If it takes any attachments, modifications, additions, or subtractions; any changes at all, then I wouldn't do it. </div></div>

with a rubber band on the trigger, no matter how gay it may be, the trigger is being pulled one time per round being fired. with the article you just linked, multiple rounds were fired with one pull of the trigger. there is a HUGE difference between the two.

 

[Sterling Shooter]

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All,

This section is essentially about zero dispersion; therefore, bump fire has no reason to be here. What Frank needs to do is provide a section called "Under 77" for those with IQ under 77. There, topics like bump firing will provide hours if not a lifetime of fun until concluding with,"hey y'all, watch this".

 

[Peloton]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All,

This section is essentially about zero dispersion; therefore, bump fire has no reason to be here. What Frank needs to do is provide a section called "Under 77" for those with IQ under 77. There, topics like bump firing will provide hours if not a lifetime of fun until concluding with,"hey y'all, watch this". </div></div>

+100

 

[Chiller]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: strangedays</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't understand why this was placed here "Advanced Marksmanship" This is more like "Waste Ammo With Shitty Grin" </div></div>

damn......how the hell did this get here?

 

[bmt]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThrottleJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can I please get some tips on shooting my pistol tilted gangster style? My accuracy is not too good so far so I feel this falls under advanced marksmanship. Lol! </div></div>

</div></div>

That one always cracks me up!

BMT

 

[Alderleet]

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I've found it very easy to shoulder bump fire my AK.

I did some very minor polishing to the trigger assembly, sear, and the various contact points.

Plus I ordered a Krebs AK74 stye brake, which really killed the rearward/up to the right, recoil of 7.62x39 and off balanced AK bolt group.

Its controllable, and fun. I havent been able to bumpfire a whole mag, but 10-20rds is fairly common if i hold it right.

 

[Yasherka]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All,
What Frank needs to do is provide a section called "Under 77" for those with IQ under 77. There, topics like bump firing will provide hours if not a lifetime of fun until concluding with,"hey y'all, watch this". </div></div>

There is already a whole website dedicated to this: Arfcom!

 

[subwofer2]

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I never seem to have trouble with my AKM from the hip. I'm minute of car at 100 meters, almost 78% of the time. Seriously though, the AMK was originally intended for FA fire, I'm not concerned about damaging any part of my rifle.

 

[George63]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThrottleJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can I please get some tips on shooting my pistol tilted gangster style? My accuracy is not too good so far so I feel this falls under advanced marksmanship. Lol! </div></div>

sideways for accuracy, up high for distance, push when firing for more power

now you have it, for street credibility always practice in the hood, not at the range

 

[CommAV8OR]

Re: Bump Firing 101

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ThrottleJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can I please get some tips on shooting my pistol tilted gangster style? My accuracy is not too good so far so I feel this falls under advanced marksmanship. Lol! </div></div>

sideways for accuracy, up high for distance, push when firing for more power

now you have it, for street credibility always practice in the hood, not at the range </div></div>

I can't stop laughing. This thread just refuses to die. Thanks George.

 

[Bedlam]

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Hilarious! Naturally I got sucked into this thread when I saw "Bump Firing 101" in "Advanced Marksmanship".

 

[JByrd]

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bump fire is essential cross training.its like dryfireing except different