That says a lot.Well guys, I put my money where my mouth is. I was seriously so impressed with big johns burris pro that I just sold my kahles tonight and will be ordering a pro tomorrow. Can’t wait to get more time with the pro!
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That says a lot.Well guys, I put my money where my mouth is. I was seriously so impressed with big johns burris pro that I just sold my kahles tonight and will be ordering a pro tomorrow. Can’t wait to get more time with the pro!
Can't wait to see your review/opinions after getting itWell guys, I put my money where my mouth is. I was seriously so impressed with big johns burris pro that I just sold my kahles tonight and will be ordering a pro tomorrow. Can’t wait to get more time with the pro!
I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.Can't wait to see your review/opinions after getting it
I guess they sold out because I do not see a Burris XTR Pro listed on their website.....am I missing something?I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.
I’m waiting on my invoice for the pro as we speak from liberty optics, any one looking it’s worth a message or a call to liberty optics, I promise
Might not have it set up on the site yet. Give them a call or shoot them a message.I guess they sold out because I do not see a Burris XTR Pro listed on their website.....am I missing something?
Sam runs a ZCO in Cheyenne. I refused to look through it at the last match when I was running the strike eagle because I didn’t want to get glass envy. I’ll probably shoot that match again at the end of the month and compare them for fun. I know the ZCO should be better but I want to know how much better.I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.
I’m waiting on my invoice for the pro as we speak from liberty optics, any one looking it’s worth a message or a call to liberty optics, I promise
ok so I played some more with the brass triangle.
on my 6.5x47 with 20 moa base and 100 yard zero
I have 21.3 mils of up to dial. that was cool to see. (IIRC I had very similar to that on my rimfire with a 50 yd zero)
pulling the triangle out, and pushing the turret all the way down gets me -.7 on my scope. I imagine it will be close with most rifles.
heres the catch I cant believe I didnt think of before, and what the tooless quick detach turret allows: if you loosen the throw lever and lift up the turret even a tiny bit, and re-tighten the throw lever, I instantly had 3 mils under I could dial.
So essentially it is a super easy super fast way to have as much under zero as you desire that you could use in a match situation or leave on all the time.
GL!
DT
I’ve looked through a first gen Premier when they first came out and a couple of S&Bs and the glass was indeed nice, not so much the price though. I totally agree with you that there is an acceptable level of glass to get the job done and the rest is just luxury. Nice equipment can help a small amount but it can’t replace determination, practice, or skill.I would like to look through a ZCO. I have looked through premiers, and Schmidt and benders. And honestly couldn’t justify the price. Glass really plays such a small roll in our style of shooting in my opinion. My friend was one of the top finisher in wyco last year shooting a tikka with an athlon Midas Tac. As long as it tracks well and glass is good enough to spot the impacts/misses that’s all you NEED. But nice glass is much more pleasant to use for sure.
I’ve looked through a first gen Premier when they first came out and a couple of S&Bs and the glass was indeed nice, not so much the price though. I totally agree with you that there is an acceptable level of glass to get the job done and the rest is just luxury. Nice equipment can help a small amount but it can’t replace determination, practice, or skill.
I would agree with your theory for certain. It is funny to see mid tier being correlated to a price between $1700-$2500. When you actually think about spending that kind of money on an optic and have it categorized as "mid-tier" is pretty amazing.I've compared the Pro to a 20x ZCO on an overcast day the very first day I took it to the range. I also had a 35x ATACR, an XTR3, and a Cronus BTR along for the ride. I'll let others folks decide how they feel it stacks up to the ZCO, but it definitely left a smile on my face bouncing back and forth. It was pretty clear the Burris had really upped their glass game. The clarity has made a big step up.
I have a theory that mid tier scopes are about to narrow the gap between themselves and "alpha" glass. Six to eight years ago, $1000 to $1500 scopes started hitting the market that were great quality and durability. All they lacked was high end glass, which left a large gap between mid tier and top tier scopes. And they sold like gangbusters, recreating the definition of a mid tier optic. I think that is happening again in the $1700 to $2500 price point. These optics are improving to a point that they are so close to top tier optics that they become an amazingly good value for folks wanting a top of the line optic at less than a top of the line price.
Optics like the Gen III Razor and the XTR Pro are going to cultivate a lot of scope buyers who are more than happy with the quality and features of the optic without feeling like they are missing out on any measurable performance by not buying a ZCO or TT.
Just a theory of mine..
In all fairness, the kahles by far has the worst glass and optical package of all the premium brands. If it is slightly better than a 624, then its still pretty far behind the rest of the pack, including the G3 Razor. At 2K you are into used Minox, NF, March and even S&B prices.That says a lot.
I suppose it will differ for some people, but the ATACR holds that spot to my eyes. I think the Kahles K series has much nicer glass than the NF.In all fairness, the kahles by far has the worst glass and optical package of all the premium brands.
I am right there with you on the ATACR. To my eyes, the Gen 2 razors and many of the other LOW OEM optics look just as good if not better than the ATACR until you get into the 7-35. I still think the 624 and even 525 looks horrible for the price they fetch. Doesn't mean you can't win with them or hit the target, but If I am spending that kind of money, i want glass that is commensurate with it.I suppose it will differ for some people, but the ATACR holds that spot to my eyes. I think the Kahles K series has much nicer glass than the NF.
And you're right, production numbers is a challenge for the scopes coming out of Greeley. They are doing their best. They've created high demand optics, now they need to up their game to meet demand.
In all fairness, the kahles by far has the worst glass and optical package of all the premium brands. If it is slightly better than a 624, then its still pretty far behind the rest of the pack, including the G3 Razor. At 2K you are into used Minox, NF, March and even S&B prices.
I really liked the XTR3 and thought the glass was great for a $1K scope. For one pushing over the $2K mark, its tough sledding.
Add to the fact Burris can never produce more than a handful of these a week and people will just buy something else they can get now. I spend almost a year trying to get a 318 SCR2 before giving up and just getting another ZCO.
The reticle is reported to be a tad thicker in the illuminated scopes (pro and 3i) but the subtension on the website don't reflect that and there are so few out in the wild no one has really confirmed if it makes a notable difference.Is the scr2 reticle thicker on the pro at all from anyone who has experience with both, the thickness on the Burris site says.02 for both but reticle thickness was a pretty common complaint back with the original xtriii scr2
I'm hanging out for the xtr3i to surface so can see what the illuminated reticle looks like in the 3 3-18.
Is the scr2 reticle thicker on the pro at all from anyone who has experience with both, the thickness on the Burris site says.02 for both but reticle thickness was a pretty common complaint back with the original xtriii scr2
The reticle is reported to be a tad thicker in the illuminated scopes (pro and 3i) but the subtension on the website don't reflect that and there are so few out in the wild no one has really confirmed if it makes a notable difference.
I'm hanging out for the xtr3i to surface so can see what the illuminated reticle looks like in the 3 3-18.
I experience the same, used to love the thin reticles when I was younger but my 50+ year old eyes find they get lost in the same situations you mention. The SCR2 was too thin in my 3.3-18 because of this, but I also have the SCR2 in the 5.5-30 and the reticle feels thicker in this scope than it did the 3.3-18. I sold my 3.3-18 for this reason and have been waiting years (literally) for illumination, and it’s finally here (almost… maybe… I’ll believe it when I see it )same here, maybe my tired older eyes, but i loose these fine reticles too often in the shade or high contrast backrounds. i only have 1 illuminated scope, an older PR 3-15. the reticle is awful small, but i can turn on the illum and see it against the backround if needed. also makes the scope more useable at 3x, at least i can see the crosshair clearly w the illumination on
So I went and shot a match today. Its always nice to stop talking about it and go do it. First match with the scope, and I learned some things.
Reticle thickness.. yes, its thicker. Its noticeable. My buddy who has a pair of XTRIIIs hopped on my Pro, did a double take to see what magnification I was on, and in less than 5 seconds remarked that it was thicker. Its not a huge difference. If you want a thick reticle, you probably still won't like this one. But it is thicker.
I snapped some shots on 20x for comparison. I tried 10x and 5.5x, but my phone just wouldn't focus on the reticle. But you can look and decide for yourself. With the naked eye I can "kinda" see and use my grid on my XTR IIIs at 8x. I can absolutely see and use it on 8x in the Pro.
XTR III SCR2
XTR PRO SCR2
To the naked eye I can see the difference. But its not huge, this isn't suddenly a thick reticle.@Birddog6424 yes you did, hard to see what (if any) practical difference there is by these pictures though.
Appreciate you tried to make some at 5.5x but didn't have any luck.
The SCR2 in the illuminated 3.3-18 at 3.3x will be where the rubber hits the road as far as reticle thickness goes.
I got mine in today also, I looked through the glass standing on my front porch around last light during rain and I was impressed with the low light quality, ready to get it mounted and compare it to my XTR 3 and also a Steiner m7 4-28.ust got my PRO in from @TheHebrewHammer. Fit and finish is good. I'm very happy with the turrets, just the perfect amount of tension and very nice nice clicks. All adjustment knobs are are good for tension except the illumination knob. For the life of me i can't get it to turn. I'm going to have to look into this when i have more time. I like the new knurling. It's a big improvement over the dragon scale. I have not had a chance to check out the glass yet.
Also, I didn't get a battery or throw lever. I'm not worried about the battery, but would like to have a throw lever.
How is your illumination knob? That thing really has me stumped.I got mine in today also, I looked through the glass standing on my front porch around last light during rain and I was impressed with the low light quality, ready to get it mounted and compare it to my XTR 3 and also a Steiner m7 4-28.
As Big Timber stated, it was disappointing that a throw lever wasn't in the box but the dial was loose enough to be able to turn it without problems but there was some "bumps" along the dial like it was dragging on something, it didn't make it had to turn but it was noticeable.
Also, it took some effort to remove the race dial and that's when I figured out where the quick release dial was! ha
It's smooth, Like the way you change colors for the reticle.How is your illumination knob? That thing really has me stumped.
How is your illumination knob? That thing really has me stumped.
The illumination should turn pretty easy. Rotation is forward to increase brightness and hold at the end to swap colors.
I like it! I would have went monkey wrench and hammerOk, couldn't resist the urge. I wrapped a thin piece of leather around the illumination knob and grabbed it with a pliers. It popped loose and now my illumination works!
I'm not sure what causes that drag. I'll bring it up to the Burris guys.I got mine in today also, I looked through the glass standing on my front porch around last light during rain and I was impressed with the low light quality, ready to get it mounted and compare it to my XTR 3 and also a Steiner m7 4-28.
As Big Timber stated, it was disappointing that a throw lever wasn't in the box but the dial was loose enough to be able to turn it without problems but there was some "bumps" along the dial like it was dragging on something, it didn't make it had to turn but it was noticeable.
Also, it took some effort to remove the race dial and that's when I figured out where the quick release dial was! ha
Lastly a big Thank You to @TheHebrewHammer!!
I was impressed by it as the Steiner is my favorite scope.The Pro making a respectable run at the M7 is nothing but good news for the Pro.
Glad to hear they are getting you taken care of.Just wanted to update for the guys that didn't get a throw lever or battery. I contacted Burris support last night about the missing items via the webpage at 9pm CST last night and got a shipping conformation and tracking number at 9:30am this morning.
Ditto, here too, logged into my Burris account and left a incident report and I had a e-mail with a tracking number first thing this morning!!Just wanted to update for the guys that didn't get a throw lever or battery. I contacted Burris support last night about the missing items via the webpage at 9pm CST last night and got a shipping conformation and tracking number at 9:30am this morning.
Huh... I opened a ticket 13 days ago and was told it would ship when they became available. I haven't received a notification yet.Ditto, here too, logged into my Burris account and left a incident report and I had a e-mail with a tracking number first thing this morning!!
Excellent customer service!
Just got off the phone with Burris. Got my name on a throw lever.
Spent a few minutes last night comparing the PRO to the ATACR 7-35. Obviously the field of view is better on the Burris (I just dialed to the same marked numbers on the dial), but the parallax was less forgiving than the ATACR. To my eyes the glass was a little better on the PRO than the ATACR.
I've compared this same ATACR to the xtr 3 and I thought the ATACR glass was better than the xtr3. I think the PRO beats the ATACR by about the same amount as the ATACR beats the xtr3. Plus I paid about $1k less for the PRO than i paid for the ATACR.
I think this scope at this price is going to steal some market share.