tangent theta only has 28 mils and plenty of guys use these for ELR beyond 2 miles (granted with a Charlie Tarac)
Burris XTR Pro 🇺🇸
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What application the optic is used in always matters. While 26 mils is perfect for competition and some other applications, what I would use it for is less than adequate and kills the deal of wanting one at this point in time. That doesn’t mean I won’t probably snag one in the future to play with, I’ll just wait for a used one
What ELR are you doing?
Once you get to extreme ranges an additional 4 or 5 mils of elevation doesn't give you bugger all, maybe 5% more distance.
Surely if you are pushing out in the 2k+ or stupid long distance 22lr, you basically need some other device (eratac base etc) to give you anything meaningful.
22lr out to 500 yards is my next application so it’s a very specific optic I’m looking at as stated agreeing with the fact that we can all be picky in our decisions. 26 mils is the the total internal elevation, how much travel is lost mounted on a 20 moa base? 8-12 mils more is my guess. As I mentioned not specific to my next application and also not taking anything away from the optic whatsoever, as all scopes will lose elevation travel somewhere in that range when mounted.
Sorry, been at SHOT!
I was a big fan of the original XTRIII, will definitely get some of these.
Went down to Liberty Range today (LGS by Greeley) to look at the current xtr3. They didn’t have a new one but they did have one on a used rifle. I started talking to the kid at the counter, who was surprisingly knowledgeable, and he hinted at the new line up so I ran with it. He said he “thinks” Burris will begin shipping at the end of the month and they will see the first Pros in early February. Of course that is all subject to change and he is not the one that does the ordering. We did discuss the 3i a little as well. Anyway, he took my number and the guy that does all the ordering is going to call me in the next few days to discuss.
Can someone comment on whether the XTR Pro is using the same erector as the XTR III? If memory serves, when the XTR III came out it was mentioned that Burris was using the same erector as the Steiner M7Xi; however, instead of using the full 7x range Burris intentionally used only 5.45 and there were optical advantages of doing so. I think @koshkin may have commented on this but would be curious to understand what advantages there are to using “less” of the full potential of a particular erector set.
That’s interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the optical distortion and eye box issues you get when using max power on an erector? I did notice on the xtr3 I looked through today, I had to move forward quite a bit on the cheek weld at max power. It still looked quite good though.
Damn, im late to the party in this thread, been seeing the thread for a bit now but just ignored it because it was a Burris thread. I've had a sour taste In my mouth ever since I bought a XTRII.. This optic really looks promising, love the new turret design, looks like burris knocked it out of the park on this one, granted the glass is good and the functionality is there.. I might snag one of these in the near future, ill Wait till some get out into more peoples hands first..
^As my grandfather used to say, finish what's on your plate before you ask for more!
I just wanted my Pro's. I'll still get them, but I bought a couple of others in the meantime so I didn't lose my shooting season. Fire season begins in April for me, and I don't shoot again (other than at a range) until Thanksgiving.
Interesting. I went out and checked how much up I have on my rifle. On my factory Tikka and im not sure if the base is canted, I have 21.5 mils of up.
Before I put it on my Tikka I was shooting elr with my rimfire. I made a bet with a friend I could hit a target at 485, which is my furthest attempt with a rimfire for me, on my RimX I dialed to 19 mils of up (maxed out) and held over another 8.5 which wasnt tough at all and got a 3rd round impact. we were both crazy surprised. I was lucky enough to see my first 2 shots. Kestrel said 27.5 mils and for some reason after dialing 19, I held only 7 more daaaa.
The large FOV made holdovers at higher zoom zoom easily done.
I love elr rimfire. Im not sure what to say for scope choices other than I would get in this order: Tracking glass quality and fov. If $$ didnt matter, then the TT would be on my rifle.
Unfortunately, with 4 boys under 10, having options near $2k or under is all I can hope for. If I have a scope that can dial 20 mils, thats what I am happy with in elr rimfire.
Burris also makes the rings with inserts. I use them exclusively with rimfire to max out dialing. on any scope (unfortunately didnt have any avail but I did order some more.). very worth it in your ELR endeavor.
this thread is worthless w/o pics
down in NM in December. toughest shooting conditions ive ever shot in. the wind and dust was brutal.
I really like the matte finish, but the finish really shows dust after a very tough and dusty/windy match. Wipes clean easy enough tho.
Day one had 50+ gusts. Hardest day of shooting of my life. Finished top 308 and a tie fo 5th overall. Tracking wasnt an issue. Running 2 differents types of ammo was. daaaaa. 155's and 175's.
Some rimfire fun with the pup. Man I love these turrets. SOOOOOO much better than the old ones.
GL!
DT
My view as a retailer is I'm excited for these. We sold a bunch of the XTRII with mixed reviews. It seems like the supply window for the XTRIII was much shorter, with limited supply, but the feedback from customers on those was pretty much 100% "very happy" customers. The XTRII were widely distributed, while with the XTRIII it seemed like Burris hand selected a very few top notch distributors to carry that line, but they have virtually vanished from all of the same distributors catalogs and I don't see any evidence the XTRIIIi and Pro are upcoming with the same. So I'm not sure what the game plan is, but would love to know. If Burris is moving to direct (like Steiner) I will get right on it.
Great post. I've been a fan of my XTRIII and it will remain my primary optic this season. With that being said, I've all but lost patience on the illuminated models coming out. The match pro looks great, but that's not what the market, including myself, was asking for. We simply wanted illumination, specifically the 3-18 model.
D_Tros along with Birddog have done a great job marketing Burris' product, and I feel bad for them that Burris has essentially thrown them under the bus. Speaking for myself, it's getting a bit nauseating seeing their posts about how great the optic is, but yet, it's vaporware for the market. The "coming soon" mantra has worn itself thin. I'll continue to enjoy my XTRIII 5-30, but I think I'll move on at this point as I'm tired of waiting. I have no brand loyalty to anyone. I simply want to run the best equipment for the $ I can afford and that is available.
I have an XTRII 4-20 with the H591 reticle. The glass is surprisingly good with the one I have. Previously, I had picked up 5-25 certificate's off of match prize tables, at two different Matches, and both times after getting the scopes I was disappointed with the image quality of the 5-25's, in addition to the ones I looked through that were mounted on other shooters rifles. The biggest problem I encountered with the 5-25 image was that it was not distortion free from edge to edge as one would expect with quality optics. It was as if the middle 33% was distortion free, but as you moved closer to the edge, the distortion would get worse.
I had heard from others that the 4-20's generally had better optics quality over the 5-25's. I had a chance to look through @D_TROS XTRIII when that was a new offering, and I wasn't impressed, although it was better than the XTRII 5-25.
For me, having a reticle that I like, and fits my needs is a very important consideration when choosing a scope, and until Burris offers more reticle choices, I will not be interested in the new offering, no matter how good the glass or turrets are.
I had heard from others that the 4-20's generally had better optics quality over the 5-25's. I had a chance to look through @D_TROS XTRIII when that was a new offering, and I wasn't impressed, although it was better than the XTRII 5-25.
For me, having a reticle that I like, and fits my needs is a very important consideration when choosing a scope, and until Burris offers more reticle choices, I will not be interested in the new offering, no matter how good the glass or turrets are.
Made somewhere else
Illumination added
Price drop
Produced in greater numbers
Its a joke
I hope it's not.
I wouldn't be adverse to another Philippines made optic though.
I wouldn't be adverse to another Philippines made optic though.
If the XTR IIIi is made in China that will be a no go for me, please tell me it isn't so...
I am excited for the XTR 3i. Been patiently waiting for the illuminated version. I am starting to get head spin with all the rapid changes in models and reticles and reticle thickness. XTR III, XTR Pro, XTR3i etc. I too am curious to where this XTR3i will be manufactured.
I'm trying to "source" a Burris XTR Pro....and can't find one anywhere. I reached out to Burris via email and they said their dealers have them in stock, but what dealers? They never replied back to me after multiple attempts for a stocking dealer. I'm disappointed in the absolute shit show of support and customer service which seems to be the norm these days for most companies.
So I call Burris and talked to support, they tell me the scope is discontinued, WTF is happening to America? People are fucking retards
So I call Burris and talked to support, they tell me the scope is discontinued, WTF is happening to America? People are fucking retards
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The whole reason I have been waiting on the illuminated XTR3 or now the XTR3i 3-18x50 was to be able to run a “American made/assembled” scope. If it’s being produced elsewhere and they aren’t offering the PRO model in 3-18x50 I might be passing. This doesn’t sound like good news. Sorry, I just don’t trust scopes made in China or Philippines. Germany, Japan, Austria, sure but not those other places.
I have found this to be the deal with Burris. I love the concept of the scope and the company, execution seems to lack delivering to market. I have a 3-18 xtr3 on one of my guns. If I remember correctly it took forever to get, then the glass had a weird distortion to it and they replaced it. It is a good scope however. I am all over the Made in the USA aspect, but I will likely wait until one shows up in the PX before I try one out.
Burris is going to lose some customers if the 3i becomes imported even if it’s the Phillipenes or South Korea. Should have kept the price the same or increased it to cover the cost of labor. They done fucked up.
Burris has zero clue about this scope, spoke to 3 different people. Just like Bushnell, fucking clueless. I'm sure they both are gonna lose some market share when people move onto another brand.
Kinda the same boat here. I was ready to order a pro for my tikka right away. A deal popped up for an ATACR so I bought that instead. I will still get a pro for it eventually, but not in any rush now.
Time will tell, I have no issue with Philippines or South Korea, just as long as they're not supporting the CCP. Yes, it was appreciated that they were assembling the XTR III's in Greeley, but their facilities can only handle so much. My guess is this, if the XTR IIIi has significant drop off in sales, they will consider expanding Greeley and bringing assembly back in house, but as long as the quality of the XTR IIIi stays up with the current XTR III then I would imagine we will not see a drop in sales, but an increase due to finally having illumination.
That is somewhat of a bummer as the fact the XTR3 was made in the USA is a big selling point. Folks follow the $$ so its probably a good move for Burris in the end. Personally I'll be throwing the Pro on a rifle because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy!
$1300 MAP... nice! My guess is there are more people who want illumination and would be acceptable of Philippine manufacture than there are those who'd rather not. I could be wrong.
I am going to need an idiots guide to Burris scopes because they have had so many SKUs in the last 3 years. . Hopefully they will update their website after the 27th. Please correct me if I am wrong on this because I am trying to decide between the Pro or upcoming XTR3i. I wanted to grab a XTRIII but the lack of illum put it on the back burner.
XTR PRO - made in Greeley, CO. illuminated red/green. Only available in 5.5-30 x 56 with SCR, SCR2 1/4 mil (I like), Horus Tremor 5. red anodized mag ring and elevation turret with race dial and tool less zero set and option for capped windage, quick change turrets. min Parallax 20yds, MSRP $2639 non horus. MAP ?
XTR3i - made in ? (Philippines perhaps). illuminated red/green. 3-18 (?) and 5.5-30 x56. Which reticles. I am assuming SCR, SCR2, Horus. Unknown if it has red anodizing. Parallax ? MSRP ? MAP $1300.
I am sure a lot of the unknowns about 3i will be revealed after the 27th. Going to have to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze to jump from the 3i to the pro
XTR PRO - made in Greeley, CO. illuminated red/green. Only available in 5.5-30 x 56 with SCR, SCR2 1/4 mil (I like), Horus Tremor 5. red anodized mag ring and elevation turret with race dial and tool less zero set and option for capped windage, quick change turrets. min Parallax 20yds, MSRP $2639 non horus. MAP ?
XTR3i - made in ? (Philippines perhaps). illuminated red/green. 3-18 (?) and 5.5-30 x56. Which reticles. I am assuming SCR, SCR2, Horus. Unknown if it has red anodizing. Parallax ? MSRP ? MAP $1300.
I am sure a lot of the unknowns about 3i will be revealed after the 27th. Going to have to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze to jump from the 3i to the pro
Glass apparently better on the Pro.
If the glass on the 3i is the same as the glass on the old 3, and there's no quality loss due to assembly location, that will be an unbeatable value. Tough to justify 2X the price for the Pro - there wasn't much room between the old 3 and the top tier scopes to begin with... but will see.
Can the Burrii peeps confirm glass source for the old 3, the new 3i, and the Pro? I thought the old 3 already was Japanese glass...
Its been mentioned several times the glass is noticeably better on the pro. so much so, that on the same zoom zoom, I thought the pro was on a higher magnification due to clarity and detail I could see. super weird to describe without being there.
Sooooooo let me get this straight. People complaining that they wont buy a scope that is going to be cheaper WITH more features because it is made out of the states, JUST to buy another scope that is made out of the states with less features???
lololol wow the hide gas done gone crazy....
Burris is a small company. In a small town. They cant handle upping production to keep up with demand. They opted to make their TOL optic in the good ol USA. It super sucks and breaks my heart as I was so attached to the 3 to see it produced out of country, but the pro has quickly been the hotter girl for me and Im glad it will be tagged USA.
Rumor is Burris is looking to expand into larger warehouse to up production, but if everyone here is complaining about a couple month wait for production to shift to a new optic while a whole new factory gets tooled up for a whole new optic, Id hate to see the reaction if production shifted to another location. lol. man needy ass group of "men"
YMMV
DT
Just to be clear, I thing most would reject something made in Asia outside of Japan, especially China.
But, then there's those who still want the cheapest product, even though it's inferior, and made in a country (i.e. China) that really is at war with the USA.
But, then there's those who still want the cheapest product, even though it's inferior, and made in a country (i.e. China) that really is at war with the USA.
My friend, while Burris is small, they have been owned by Beretta for the last 20 years. Beretta isn't massive, but with ~~3,000 employees (pre-COVID) and about $700,000,000 in revenue (also pre-COVID) a year, it seems maybe more cash injection for Burris is warranted?
I am a motorcycle guy, and Moto Guzzi is one of my favs, but I wouldn't own one 15 years ago. Then Piaggio Group bought them, and many years and mucho $$ later, the current crop of Guzzis made in the last 4-5 years are arguably the best they ever made, purist arguments aside.
Never underestimate the power of pouring corporate cash into a product line. Good folks at Burris/Steiner...... I would like them to succeed.
I am a motorcycle guy, and Moto Guzzi is one of my favs, but I wouldn't own one 15 years ago. Then Piaggio Group bought them, and many years and mucho $$ later, the current crop of Guzzis made in the last 4-5 years are arguably the best they ever made, purist arguments aside.
Never underestimate the power of pouring corporate cash into a product line. Good folks at Burris/Steiner...... I would like them to succeed.
Thank you, this thread is confusing. Video seemed ready to ship, apparently not the case.
Its been mentioned several times the glass is noticeably better on the pro. so much so, that on the same zoom zoom, I thought the pro was on a higher magnification due to clarity and detail I could see. super weird to describe without being there.
Sooooooo let me get this straight. People complaining that they wont buy a scope that is going to be cheaper WITH more features because it is made out of the states, JUST to buy another scope that is made out of the states with less features???
lololol wow the hide gas done gone crazy....
Burris is a small company. In a small town. They cant handle upping production to keep up with demand. They opted to make their TOL optic in the good ol USA. It super sucks and breaks my heart as I was so attached to the 3 to see it produced out of country, but the pro has quickly been the hotter girl for me and Im glad it will be tagged USA.
Rumor is Burris is looking to expand into larger warehouse to up production, but if everyone here is complaining about a couple month wait for production to shift to a new optic while a whole new factory gets tooled up for a whole new optic, Id hate to see the reaction if production shifted to another location. lol. man needy ass group of "men"
YMMV
DT
I asked for specific info on the glass - no answer, so must infer that the old 3 glass was also Philippines, and it was/is great glass - just means the 3i will be an even better value than the 3 already was. Never said I wouldn't buy if out of states production, but I'm interested in the Pro, so moot for me anyway.
The only gripe I have is with the poor management of a great many firearms related companies.
The poor management of this model change / rollout annoyed me to the point that I spent almost 7K on 2 other scopes. So easily avoidable, and so basic when running a company or a product line. They could've got me for 2 more XTR3's and then got me later for up to 4 XTR Pro's. Instead, I'm annoyed and trying other optics, and I'm not the only one. Worse is they missed the entire Xmas season and will have a huge sales gap for ~5 months.
Justifications themselves are a sign of poor mgt. I am a customer. I shouldn't care about any internal company matters whatsoever.
How much space does Burris need? I might have 3 warehouses available in a couple of months.
ETA: oops, looks like 1.5 available.
ETA: oops, looks like 1.5 available.
I can hardly wait to look through a Pro especially if the glass is better, I've been very happy with the glass in the XTR111 and the only complaint has been the reticle wasn't illuminated. The XTR111i will be a winner also if the quality is the same as the non illuminated models.
To be fair at this stage another 3 year wait for the XTR3i wouldn't come at a huge surprise.
That is the understatement of the year, though I have another word besides crazy for what's happened to the Hide of late...
If production moves to the Philippines and quality stays the same, good on Burris. I'm all about having the current quality at a lower price point (WITH ILLUMINATION) so long as it's not CCP. I was pleased and surprised Burris was making the XTRIII in house, but it's understandable demand is not sustainable. It's either put up with people (like me), bitching about not having illumination and elongated wait times, or outsource the product. I'm happy the Pro is still being produced stateside. Good on Burris for trying to satisfy their customers while trying to keep part of the production here. Also, good on Burris for not contracting with the CCP.
Fair point. I thought their outsourced production was the Philippines. Thank you for educating me.
I will admit I have an Athlon Helos 2x12 chinesium scope. Every other scope I own is US, Philippines, Japanese or European. I have 5 of the XTR2s so I’m not against the Philippines but certainly would prefer the US made scopes. Burris has caught a lot of shit about their new CCP scopes on other forums. Let’s hope they don’t move more stuff to them.
Wake me up when the Pros become available.
Wake me up when the Pros become available.
I just bought a MK5 7-35x56 PR2 reticle from Leupold. I was really hoping to get a new XTR Pro, but there's zero indication of any ETA or any info. Maybe later I can get one, but at least now when it comes out it comes out and I do not "need" another scope at the moment. I hate waiting!!!
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