Burris XTR Pro 🇺🇸

#751
It's a PRS scope. With targets being 2 moa (.6 mil) wide, if you burn one just off the edge of the plate (pretty darn common), your correction to center is about .3ish, or if you really want to favor the other side of the plate and want to avoid gusts blowing you off again, .5.

Hold over one hash, and you're pretty much centered up. Hold 2 hashes and you're not going to miss off the other side, just favor it.

I've gotten lost on several reticles before (tremor3, CFR-Mil, EBR, APRS) because there wasn't enough easily read distinction between things like .6 and .8 at a glance. SCR reticles, MIL-XT, and JVCR give me the information I need without eating up counting hashes or trying to focus on how close it is to 1 or 0 mils.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
Good news for all the folks who just couldn't love the Habanero Red highlights of the Pro, an all black XTR Pro is now in production.

This is the only picture I have currently. But they should hit the market soon!

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Is it still coming with the white race dial? Looks like I might be in the market for another pro for the upcoming shooting season here in North Dakota.
 
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308pirate said:
That was suboptimal too.

.25 mils is dumb. If my target is in between subtensions, it's either .125, .375, .625, or .875 mils away. Now what do I dial if that's my choice to solve the problem?

This makes the MOA is dumb because fractions people look positively retarded. Anyone can add fractions of four lightning fast unless they have an IQ under 70.
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If you’re solving math problems on the clock, that’s retarded. Quick reticle holds have zero to do with dialing. What are you on about anyway?
 
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I’ll repeat…s-l-o-w-l-y, what does reticle holds have to do with dialing? If you mean using a reticle to range targets with like back in the Stone Age, the again, what’s you’re problem?

I get it that it’s not your cup-o-tea, but your comments are ‘tarded as to why. Same argument as you. Different view. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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In a 1/4mil system: You see the major measure, the half-measure between major measures, and a small-measure on either side of the full- or half-measure. It is instantly understandable which 1/4mil you're on at first glance.

In a .2mil system: You see the major measure, and 4 small-measures. You have to count from the ends or the blank center between lines.


It just makes sense when talking about speed and ease of processing to use the 1/4mil system. In a 1/4mil, each 1/4 is distinctly different and immediately understandable. In a .2mil system you have four similar lines that you have to process. Reticles like the Mil-XT handle this by making pairs of subtensions extend from opposing sides of the main stadia line but it isn't a perfect fix. Outside of needing some metric to zero with, "close enough" is almost always the answer, so 1/4mil just makes sense, to me.
 
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I found out I prefer .2 rather than 1/4 mil.

I’ve been shooting the XTR Pro w/ SCR2 reticle for the better part of two years. I have one on my centerfire and one on my Vudoo and have been averaging 2-3 matches a month, plus a lot of dryfire. So it could be that’s what I’ve become accustomed to.

On my most recent build I went with a Leupold Mk5 w/ the PR2 reticle. I wanted to change it up a little, and I was eager to try out the 1/4mil reticle, plus I heard good things about the Leupy in general. I was also going for weight savings as this is the rifle I plan on shooting NRL Hunter with. In the last few weeks I put about 300 rnds thru the rifle w/ the Leupy, plus a shit ton of dry fire. I liked the scope, I really did. Glass was excellent, turrets nice and crisp, I like the way the elevation turret is laid out, and everything tracked well, but the PR2 reticle took some getting used to. My main complaint was at mid-magnification the 1/4 and 3/4 hash marks are pretty small.

Lastly, every time I went back to my other rifles that had the Pro’s SCR2 in .2mil reticle, I instantly felt like I was back home in my comfort zone.

I ended up trading the Mk5 to a buddy who had a Pro and we’re both much happier now. Rifle with the Leupy was 14.4 lbs, with the XTR I’m at 14.8 lbs, so well under the NRL limit.

So now I have three XTR Pros. @Birddog6426, I blame you, LOL.
 
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ECK said:
I found out I prefer .2 rather than 1/4 mil.

I’ve been shooting the XTR Pro w/ SCR2 reticle for the better part of two years. I have one on my centerfire and one on my Vudoo and have been averaging 2-3 matches a month, plus a lot of dryfire. So it could be that’s what I’ve become accustomed to.

On my most recent build I went with a Leupold Mk5 w/ the PR2 reticle. I wanted to change it up a little, and I was eager to try out the 1/4mil reticle, plus I heard good things about the Leupy in general. I was also going for weight savings as this is the rifle I plan on shooting NRL Hunter with. In the last few weeks I put about 300 rnds thru the rifle w/ the Leupy, plus a shit ton of dry fire. I liked the scope, I really did. Glass was excellent, turrets nice and crisp, I like the way the elevation turret is laid out, and everything tracked well, but the PR2 reticle took some getting used to. My main complaint was at mid-magnification the 1/4 and 3/4 hash marks are pretty small.

Lastly, every time I went back to my other rifles that had the Pro’s SCR2 in .2mil reticle, I instantly felt like I was back home in my comfort zone.

I ended up trading the Mk5 to a buddy who had a Pro and we’re both much happier now. Rifle with the Leupy was 14.4 lbs, with the XTR I’m at 14.8 lbs, so well under the NRL limit.

So now I have three XTR Pros. @Birddog6426, I blame you, LOL.
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If your going 1/4 then you have to comit and go all 1/4 swapping between the 2 is a recipe for disaster
 
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mynamejeff said:
Looks like the price of these has dropped. I'm seeing them around $1400 at a handful of sites. Does anyone know if this is a sale or the new normal?
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Are those the LE/Mil sites like Expertvoice or GovX? Never saw them near that price at normal retail sites. Got any links?
 
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I’m sure some will say the razor 3 is worth almost double the price.

It seems to be the best deal on a premium scope out there by far, at least to me.
And it’s made in the 🇺🇸.
 
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I think I've purchased every Burris of mine as the specific model was being discontinued. The one exception being an EV purchase on the Pro. I might have been a couple years late to every party, but the deals have always been amazing.

If the Pros start regularly going for <$1,500, they are going to cement themselves as a "best buy".
 
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diggler1833 said:
I think I've purchased every Burris of mine as the specific model was being discontinued. The one exception being an EV purchase on the Pro. I might have been a couple years late to every party, but the deals have always been amazing.

If the Pros start regularly going for <$1,500, they are going to cement themselves as a "best buy".
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Is the Burris PRO a better buy at $1400 than a similarly priced Japanese scope such as the Tract Toric 4-25x50 ELR?
 
#768
mynamejeff said:
It's all reticles, that's why I think that Burris lowered the selling price.
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I highly doubt Burris took their flagship scope and dropped its street price $700 for the new year. Not sure what that company is doing selling for that price but plenty of places still in the normal price range.
 
#769
wade2big said:
Is the Burris PRO a better buy at $1400 than a similarly priced Japanese scope such as the Tract Toric 4-25x50 ELR?
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That's a great question for @Rob01 since he has both.

Like him, I don't think that the Pro all of a sudden dropped $700...but if you're on the fence about one now is the time to snatch up that deal linked above.

The glass in the Pro doesn't give up a lot to anything in the under $2,500 market. Here's where I'll throw in a joke though that my Pro went down and is in for repairs. It happens, and Burris' warranty experience has been good so far.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
Those guys may just be clearing them out for the money for something else. Maybe they weren't doing well with them.
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It's like a dozen sites... but I think they're all drop shippers. So maybe the warehouse vendor that holds the actual inventory lowered the price to clear them out? Anyways, I got one. Too good of a scope at that price. Now my reticles will match on all my rifles.
 
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Jmccracken1214 said:
When? I looked at expertvoice the other day and the prices are higher than last year and the discount went from 50% to 40%
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Recently. If they lowered dealer cost without lowering MSRP you probably won’t see EV prices drop but maybe they will too. Prices have quite clearly fallen.

The dealer I got my XTR3 from for under $800 delivered said the distributor is out but that they have more on the way. If they were just blowing out inventory to clear out stock that wasn’t moving they wouldn’t have ordered more.
 
#774
redneckbmxer24 said:
Recently. If they lowered dealer cost without lowering MSRP you probably won’t see EV prices drop but maybe they will too. Prices have quite clearly fallen.

The dealer I got my XTR3 from for under $800 delivered said the distributor is out but that they have more on the way. If they were just blowing out inventory to clear out stock that wasn’t moving they wouldn’t have ordered more.
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Weird. Just checked my order history, I ordered one last year $270 cheaper than the discounted price is now
 
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Jmccracken1214 said:
Weird. Just checked my order history, I ordered one last year $270 cheaper than the discounted price is now
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If it was through EV you said yourself they just changed the discount from 50% to 40% recently. You can also buy them for over $150 less from dealers right now than the EV price.

Just did the math, yeah there’s a $264 difference between 50% off and 40% off so no shit you paid less money when the discount was higher. What’s your point?
 
#777
Looks like the new sku numbers for the black ringed Pro have dropped, dealer cost prices anyway. Not seeing anything for the XTR3i's. There are some USA XTR3's left out there that I'm sure are being sold cheap just to get them out of inventory.
 
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Birddog6424 said:
Prices at Burris did not drop. That's directly from the guy who controls pricing at Burris.

There is no better source than that.

My suspicion is folks are moving out the red highlight Pros for the black one. There are a lot of people who held off on a Pro because they disliked the red.
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So why are the 3.3-18 and 5.5-30 illuminated SCR2 XTR3’s $200-$300 less than they were a couple months ago and why are dealers telling me pricing came down on them? Those have nothing to do with the pros.

It doesn’t make sense and actual pricing indicates that prices have dropped because they have.
 
#780
Birddog6424 said:
Prices at Burris did not drop. That's directly from the guy who controls pricing at Burris.

There is no better source than that.

My suspicion is folks are moving out the red highlight Pros for the black one. There are a lot of people who held off on a Pro because they disliked the red.
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What does that guy know?! We got experts here on Burris pricing who saw a couple websites and know what the higher ups at Burris are really doing. Lol
 
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Are these the same sources that told you the RT15’s were made in the Phillipines when you were running around shilling for them pimping that model after it was announced and then surprise people get them and they’re chinesium? LOL

Two dealers have told me pricing dropped and actual street prices have indeed dropped. So I’ll believe what I actually see and what pricing reflects over whatever crumb you’re being fed this time.
 
#783
Birddog6424 said:
Prices at Burris did not drop. That's directly from the guy who controls pricing at Burris.

There is no better source than that.

My suspicion is folks are moving out the red highlight Pros for the black one. There are a lot of people who held off on a Pro because they disliked the red.
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redneckbmxer24 said:
So why are the 3.3-18 and 5.5-30 illuminated SCR2 XTR3’s $200-$300 less than they were a couple months ago and why are dealers telling me pricing came down on them? Those have nothing to do with the pros.

It doesn’t make sense and actual pricing indicates that prices have dropped because they have.
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It doesn’t matter. Street price dropped. Street prices have only ever dropped on these scopes. That’s pretty much all that matters at the purchaser-level.

I took my US 5.5-30 out yesterday. It rocks. The turrets were a little stiff so I removed them and greased the o-rings and that helped some. Mine has maybe .02mil or less turret squish/slop which frankly is outstanding. The reticle is great on a gas gun. I’ll get to try out my Pro and Mk5 sometime this week hopefully. If every XTR3 was similar to what I have it would be a good value at $1,600, but the variance that seems to exist across their production means these are probably worth about $900-1,200.
 
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What's clear is that the price drop is only from drop shippers. Battlehawk Armory has the same UPC/SKU listed twice, one in stock and one warehouse, the warehouse is discounted but the in stock is normal price.

For those saying don't look a gift horse in the mouth... the point of knowing if $1400 is the new normal or not is that it would mean they could possibly be found for less in the future (blems/refurbs). Until now, even blems and refurbs bottomed out around 1600.
 
#785
UpSideDown said:
It doesn’t matter. Street price dropped. Street prices have only ever dropped on these scopes. That’s pretty much all that matters at the purchaser-level.

I took my US 5.5-30 out yesterday. It rocks. The turrets were a little stiff so I removed them and greased the o-rings and that helped some. Mine has maybe .02mil or less turret squish/slop which frankly is outstanding. The reticle is great on a gas gun. I’ll get to try out my Pro and Mk5 sometime this week hopefully. If every XTR3 was similar to what I have it would be a good value at $1,600, but the variance that seems to exist across their production means these are probably worth about $900-1,200.
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It does matter though when prices continue to go down but the company shill is here saying otherwise to paint it more favorably for Burris and the product. These optics that supposedly are so popular and beat out out $2K+ optics have the price continue to go the opposite direction that they should if that was true.

For the $800 I paid I’m happy with mine and think it’s a good value at that price and I’ll be buying another as soon as they’re back in stock at that distributor.

mynamejeff said:
What's clear is that the price drop is only from drop shippers. Battlehawk Armory has the same UPC/SKU listed twice, one in stock and one warehouse, the warehouse is discounted but the in stock is normal price.

For those saying don't look a gift horse in the mouth... the point of knowing if $1400 is the new normal or not is that it would mean they could possibly be found for less in the future (blems/refurbs). Until now, even blems and refurbs bottomed out around 1600.
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Not true. Euro Optic is $1050 on 3.3-18 XTR3’s, $1250 on the 5.5-30 and $1900 on the pros including the new black versions and they’re a direct stocking dealer. They haven’t dropped them as much as the drop shippers but they have dropped them $200-$300 below what they were at a month ago.
 
#786
Birddog6424 said:
My God. Are you honestly incapable of conceding when you're wrong. You are the most bizarre individual participating on this forum.
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You’re as full of shit as vortex is for telling people increasing their MSRP won’t raise prices when it did.

Prices have dropped on XTR 3’s and Pro’s over the last month and you’re saying they haven’t and I’m wrong.

If pricing goes back to what it was then I’ll admit I’m wrong, hell I’ll make a separate thread with an apology. I’ll do far better than you about admitting I was wrong than you did after you were telling people the RT15’s were made in the Phillipines. Instead of owning being wrong and misleading people you doubled down and stated “China is the new Japan” or something to the effect because you’ll say anything no matter how wrong or exaggerated may be if it paints a better picture for your beloved brand.
 
#787
Birddog6424 said:
First time I've seen this thread...here's my thoughts..

I had no idea where this scope was made. I havent gotten much info on it and hadn't seen one up until two weeks ago when a buddy bought one. I honestly thought it was coming from the Phillipines. Coming from China? Well if you haven't realized it yet, here it is. Get used to lots of sub 1k scopes coming out of China. There's bunches already and more to follow. Its the new Japan.

I havent seen the 15x, but I got to play with the 25x. I thought for what it was made for, which is an entry level competition scope, it was prettt decent. We compared the glass to a Vortex Strike Eagle and Athlon Midas. The glass is surprisingly good in the Burris. Better than the Vortex, about on par with the Midas. Theres a couple features I liked better on the Strike Eagle, but the Burris was the clear winner in glass with these two particular samples.

Yes, the reticle is thin. Its the SCR2 grid reticle. It's not optimized for 5x or 6x. Its made for 10x and up for competitive shooting. Honestly people keep saying you can't use it at low X. No kidding, it's a FFP made for higher magnification. I have a crap ton of time behind this reticle. Its perfectly useable at 10x and up, unless you're blind. Ive had no issues with it even lower. I was using it to shoot whistle pigs at 3.3x this spring.

I'm not wild about the 8x turrets. Not a huge deal for me, I always return to zero after a stage, but 10 would have been nice. It has no revolution indicators with the top turret lifting to unlock/turn, pressing down to lock. I like the locking turret and capped windage, and it killed it on our tracking test. Dead nuts..

I have some disappointment that it doesn't have a lot of travel at 18mils. I wish it had more. I like the 15yd parallax.

I think its a decent scope. I certainly disagree with the OP, but respect his right to his opinion. Even though he's kinda making a habit of this...

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There’s no limit on how far you’ll exaggerate or how many excuses you will make.
 
#788
Maybe I'm not getting it but who cares if the price is going down? If anything this a positive in that more folks can get a good optic and at a good price. The value just goes up.

In fact, I'm hoping this pricing sticks around so that I can get another Pro in black for around 1400. The SCR2 reticle is pretty close to perfect to me (thin and uncluttered).
 
#789
AirgunnerPCP said:
Maybe I'm not getting it but who cares if the price is going down? If anything this a positive in that more folks can get a good optic and at a good price. The value just goes up.

In fact, I'm hoping this pricing sticks around so that I can get another Pro in black for around 1400. The SCR2 reticle is pretty close to perfect to me (thin and uncluttered).
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That's exactly why I'd like to know if I need to snag this deal now, or if I'll have the same opportunity (or better) in the future.
 
#790
cuz said:
If the reticle is in 1/4 mil, are the click adjustments on the turrets also different? Or are they still .1 mil? Does that mess things up at all?
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I thought it would be an issue, but it's really not.
I actually love the 1/4 Mil reticle. It took less than 20 rounds to be comfortable making calls and corrections.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
You’re as full of shit as vortex is for telling people increasing their MSRP won’t raise prices when it did.

Prices have dropped on XTR 3’s and Pro’s over the last month and you’re saying they haven’t and I’m wrong.

If pricing goes back to what it was then I’ll admit I’m wrong, hell I’ll make a separate thread with an apology. I’ll do far better than you about admitting I was wrong than you did after you were telling people the RT15’s were made in the Phillipines. Instead of owning being wrong and misleading people you doubled down and stated “China is the new Japan” or something to the effect because you’ll say anything no matter how wrong or exaggerated may be if it paints a better picture for your beloved brand.
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OMG. If you came to report recent pricing found online for these scopes.... Thank You, we'll monitor the situation and see what plays out

If you want to start a new thread about how you know more about optics pricing and marketing and how Vortex, Burris, etc don't know what they fuck they are doing that would be awesome. That way I could still have a thread that was worth reading and at the same time ignore you wholesale.

Thanks
 
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Long Range 338 said:
OMG. If you came to report recent pricing found online for these scopes.... Thank You, we'll monitor the situation and see what plays out

If you want to start a new thread about how you know more about optics pricing and marketing and how Vortex, Burris, etc don't know what they fuck they are doing that would be awesome. That way I could still have a thread that was worth reading and at the same time ignore you wholesale.

Thanks
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First of all, I’m not the one that reported the lower pricing on these, several other members were discussing it already and the fluffer denying it before I said anything.

Second, if you’ve got a problem then you’re welcome to put me on ignore.

Birddog6424 said:
Wow dragging up a 4 year old thread? You're getting really desperate for material.

I actually encourage people to read it. I'm respectful, admit I wasn't sure where it was coming from. Thought it was the Phillipines. Dude, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with that post. Please folks, go read it 🤣

I have nothing to add to how much you can buy a Burris scope for. I'll say it again.

BURRIS DID NOT CHANGE THEIR PRICING.

Did you get it that time.
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That was just a shining example of dumb shit you’ve said pro Burris that didn’t age well and also an example that wherever you get your info may not be as accurate as you think. I guess we can revisit this pricing matter down the road and see who’s right or wrong. So far the prices have only gone down…
 
#794
lash said:
None of the details matter and I don’t GAF who’s right, neither should you. Bottom line is the only thing that matters and that is, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
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The one important detail that does matter is none of these retailers will ship internationally.
 
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Even after all this hawg wagglin' I still haven't found the sub-$800 XTRIIIs..... Anyone want to prove how super right and in the know they are by providing a link or name?
 
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Order placed January 27th, sub $800 delivered.
 

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#799
I got a refurb XTR III (illuminated, new model) from Natchez out the door for 700. They had a 10% sitewide coupon at the time. They actually shipped me a blemish model though, and I found nothing wrong with it.
 
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